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"Kevin- would you please put links up when you quote things so we can have the opportunity to see where they came from and perhaps read the entire article/source. It would be greatly appreciated." by Marty

So far Kevin's supportive information is weak, lacks basis, etc., so he is finding it difficult to find valid information to work with to condemn the "Bush Administration" or to defend the many misfits in positions of leadership in our own community!

....so much for Congressman Charles Rangle, who is yet one more of our own Black elected leadership whose credibility is fit for the toilet!

....This must be the problem in that far too many Black people, especially as it pertains to the so-called Black middleclass honor individuals unworthy of praise such as Congresswoman Maxine "Kerosene" Waters, "no good serving foreign interests at the expense of South Central Los Angeles, Compton, etc.," illegal immigrant Merv Dymally, etc., etc., whose treasonous, un-American, illegal, unethical, and/or incompetent actions maintain poverty over business growth within inner cities across the Great US of A.

....be it incessant rambling, a broken record, or in this instance the truth, the Bush Administration is not Responsible for the Demise of the Black Community! Just proves that it is a waste of my valuable time responding to likes of Kevin41, Huey, etc., etc.....

......Furthermore, Hollywood actors, such as Michael Moore, Judge Greg Mathis, Harry Belafonte, etc., and/or actresses are not in any regard a good representation or substitute for the voice of the People!

...and why any Black man or woman in poverty from the inner-city would praise a Michael Moore is beyond me. Michael Moore used the support of Black people to move from a status of being already wealthy to a position of even greater affluence, behind the message of the very erroneous "Fahrenheit 911". That so-called Black middle-class who financed, supported, or who praise the likes of a deceitful liberal Caucasian in a Michael Moore must be functionally illiterate!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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So far Kevin's supportive information is weak, lacks basis, etc., so he is finding it difficult to find valid information to work with to condemn the "Bush Administration" or to defend the many misfits in positions of leadership in our own community!



Now I post polls and social research....but this is coming from a person who declares a black congressman an illegal immigrant and refuses to even show where he got the silly azzed notion from........now that is strange indeed....
Deleted it right after I posted it- my you have a quick trigger. But for real- sorry about acting like the Internet police. I'll stop after this.

Most people don't have as much time to write as much as y'all do, and to try to read through some of your posts...and then trying to figure out where the stuff you get came from...seeing an entire diatribe set up as a link (Michael.)

Aw, never mind. It'll just take some getting used to.

And Kevin- the Democratic Policy Committee policy release you quoted has an awful lot of outdated data that has little resemblance to the present economic numbers. There has been 30 straight months of economic growth, we are currently at a net gain of over 4 million jobs since January 2001 (Jan. 2001 137.771 million total employment, July 2005 142.076 million total employment including over 1.3 million non farm payroll jobs) and black unemployment is currently at 9.5% (as of July, and still way too high)as compared to 7.9% in July 2001. Or 7.7%in 2000, 8.8% in July 1999, but comparable to 9.7%in July 1998.

The lowest Black unemployment has been since 1992 was 7.0% in September 2000, (just in time for the election) and it began to trend upward from there.

The current trends compare quite favorably to 1997 ("the greatest economy ever" and black unemployment at 9.4%), when steady economic growth (we've had 9 straight quarters of real growth rates of 3.3% or greater) began to show in the job market. Net jobs have been steadily rising now for two years, contrary to what the Democratic Policy Committee says.

Federal tax receipts are up, the deficit projection is on track to be half of what originally thought and the Federal Government actually ran at a surplus in several months this year. Real wages have kept pace with inflation, and jobs created have been strong in high wage catagories (even with no dot.com boom.)

The point? Not to necessarily support the straw man that Michael attempted to set up in naming this topic- I don't think anyone here is blaming the Bush administration for the "demise of the Black Community" (a premise that I do not agree with anyway- I don't see a "demise" as much as I see opportunities to make some changes for our continued betterment,) but rather to show that some of the administrations economic policies seem to be having their desired effect.

I will also credit them with a record number and volume of SBA loans awarded to Black small businesses. These are just facts. Make of it what you want.
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Marty.....go and look at how unemployment numbers are generated under this administration....i'm not going to spend my time educating anyone for free...but people who stop looking for jobs are no longer counted...the military is counted and outsourced jobs have been replaced with lower paying service-sector jobs...and black unemployment is in the double-digits again....with the level of poverty in inner cities and the reduction of programs that helped the poor and the onslaught against AA that is steadily decreasing black college enrollment and blacks inclusion in professional sectors....and also the remedial college courses that were helping blacks bridge the gap that sorry as K-12 schools caused...if blacks think things are greater under this damn fool than they were under Clinton...then all of my years of teaching and analyzing policy was a waste....but I think it is only a waste outside of the classrooms...where people can say whatever the f-k they feel like.....and if you think this country is going in the right direction...why is the ratings of this fool so low...when clinton enjoyed a 75% poularity rating...even after lying about some sorry azz skank...which you know this small-minded country loves...but i'm kool on you all....but I and others clearly understand why W gets 8-11% of the black vote....because black people are not stupid....like our self-hating members of the race try to promote us as............
"It is easy to blame black people for all the problems of the race from the premise that there are no outside factors contributing to the conditions of today, namely poverty.......because it is a thinly veiled attempt to project self-hatred outward by generally castigating blacks as inherently fucked up..........." by Kevin41

....Let see, the Black community blames it's own failure on slavery, poverty, not receiving reparations for slavery, the end of AA benefits, racist Caucasians, the Bush Administration, President George Bush, the KKK, etc., etc.

.....More lame excuses to do nothing!.

...and numerous individuals also agree that poverty is no excuse for failure!

Disregarding the messenger, the message,

"The only excuse for still being in poverty is if you are stuck in a Third World country, in some little agricultural village miles from anywhere, you have no education, the only trade available is selling the potatoes you grow, the government is a military dictatorship, and your country is one of the 20th poorest countries in the world. MAYBE, just maybe, you could justifiably grumble about your lot.

.........Did you know that some of America's multimillionaires arrived in the country in refugee boats, with a only a handful of coins in their pockets, and totally unable to even speak English? Yet, within a decade or so, they had made more money than the vast majority of Americans, whose families had been in the country for generations.

.....generation welfare recipients. It's actually been handed down from parents to children.

No matter how dire your circumstances, if you can think of someone who suffered the same or worse, and went on to succeed, then you can do so too. If wealth was a question of race, then only certain races would become wealthy. If it was caused by environment, then only people of a certain environment could get rich. If it was a matter of intelligence, then only intelligent university graduates could become successful.

The fact that you can find exceptions to all of these "rules" -- and lots of them - proves that getting wealthy has nothing to do with any of these factors. If it did, you could draw up some sort of psychological, sociological, or racial profile.

The truth of the matter is that no such profile is possible. There are mentally sub-normal millionaires. There are black multimillionaires. There are people who were born into poverty who are now billionaires. Yes, there are even people in wheelchairs who made their millions from there. Paralyzed.

So, what is your excuse?...

The fact of the matter is that between your ears resides the key to creating wealth in your life. It's your power to think, and to do so creatively. It's your power to develop self-esteem, unstoppable self-confidence, learn all you need to learn, be prepared to take risks and suffer failure after failure until you succeed, and your ability to persist after everybody else would have given up, that marks your capacity for success in ANYTHING, not just in creating wealth.

This is the brutal truth and this is why most people fall short of what they are capable of. They are not prepared to do all of the above. Then, out come the excuses: "I'm black", "I'm a woman", "My parents did this or that...", "I was born in a small town", "I have no time", and so on.

However, all these excuses are just to make you feel more comfortable with yourself, so that you do not have to accept the bitter truth. You WERE, and ARE, capable of much more, but you are just not prepared, either through laziness of lack of guts, to put yourself on the line, look ridiculous to your friends and family, and PERSIST until what you desire comes your way." by Asoka Selvarajah, Ph.D,

......is information that is as true today, as it has been for decades. Heck, as you well know, I'm not particular as to where the information comes from if the information is valid, and it is of benefit, be it from Stormfront, the KKK, Astrology, Tarot, and Self Improvement for the New Age, The Final Call, The Los Angeles Times, CNN, ABC, Ned the Whino who perhaps sees something that I failed to see, a notorious gang member, the actions of a dog that may save my life because dogs can hear sounds that humans cannot hear, etc., etc.
I hear ya Marty.....i understand if you are not used to wading through self-hating bullschit like we are...I barely even notice it anymore...after so many of the same utterances of how f-ked up black people are just because they are black..it tends to lose any inkling of attention it garnered at first........I feel ya though.......you wonder why he just doesn't go ahead and drink bleach to get white or just peel the damn skin off and move to simi valley......
"I see the roles many people play in here...and some just live to disrupt progressive dialogue and display their outward hatred of blacks.......just like they try to do in the greater society.....but they are really trying to mask the problem they have with who they are themselves........by Kevin41

I have definitely chosen a different path, because following these individuals will send me to the gallows, for a cause that is neither valid, or worth sacrificing my time, and resources. There is no prize, or gain at the end of the rainbow following nonsense!

Black people who admire, respect, and/or who follow such foolishness need to have their heads examined. Eventually these individuals will all go down together in that Titanic of self-destruction, ignorance, sleaze, hatred, perversion, and treason.

Notice that the only ethnic group so far out on the limb to hang themselves all by themselves is as usual, our own Black elected leadership, and those from our own community who respect or praise them!

.....There is absolutely nothing progressive in following any chain of stupidity. Marc Morano, CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer, of Hispanic heritage, has just finishing exposing some of the ignorance, sleaze, treasonous, and un-American activity that exists with that so-called elected Black leadership, psuedo civil rights activists, and the Black middleclass who praise them.

In light of this and other realities, it should be no mystery as to why the Hispanic community has surpassed the Black community by leaps and bounds. Hispanics are moving forward as opposed to buring themselves in ignorance and foolishness, namely because, by and large, the Hispanic leadership, and community is not so gullible, foolish, ignorant, treasonous, un-American, sleazy, self-destructive, and/or perverted in the sense of what is very typical in the Black community.
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"I see the roles many people play in here...and some just live to disrupt progressive dialogue and display their outward hatred of blacks.......just like they try to do in the greater society.....but they are really trying to mask the problem they have with who they are themselves........by Kevin41



** They never have any purpose but to espouse their illogical, half thought-out opinions and to castigate blacks without any type of input regarding TANGIBLE, MEASURABLE solutions to the problems they use as an opportunity to cry about daily.


Their irrelevant, vague rhetorical style is dysfunctional in nature and is indicative of the attention span of a small child who has difficulty retaining concepts in his early educational years...........
"They never have any purpose but to espouse their illogical, half thought-out opinions and to castigate blacks without any type of input regarding TANGIBLE, MEASURABLE solutions to the problems they use as an opportunity to cry about daily.

Their irrelevant, vague rhetorical style is dysfunctional in nature and is indicative of the attention span of a small child who has difficulty retaining concepts in his early educational years..........." by Kevin41

As reality would have it.....typically the Black community castigates and destroys its own best interest or future posterity!

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.......speaking of being dysfunctional and not measuring up to adulthood,.........

.......more likely this assessment fits our own elected Black leadership, and that so-called Black middleclass who praise them!


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Bush, GOP Labeled 'Thieves' Who 'Need to Be Locked Up'
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
August 08, 2005

Atlanta (CNSNews.com) - A featured speaker at Saturday's civil rights march in Atlanta said the Bush administration and Republican Party leaders are "thieves" who "need to be locked up" for stealing the past two presidential elections and presiding over federal budget deficits and the war in Iraq.

"They all need to be locked up because they are all criminals and they are all thieves," said Judge Greg Mathis, the star of the syndicated television program "The Judge Mathis Show."

Mathis made his remarks to an enthusiastic crowd assembled in Atlanta to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Participants are launching a two-year campaign to extend and strengthen key aspects of the act when it expires in 2007.

"It is indeed criminal to steal an election and within two years run up a federal deficit of half-a-trillion dollars, send our young people over to Iraq to die for an unjust war. What they are doing is criminal," Mathis said to loud cheers.

The march was sponsored by the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and included leaders from the National Urban League, The Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the NAACP, and the AFL-CIO.

Entertainer/activist Harry Belafonte also used charged rhetoric during the march when he referred to black members of the Bush administration as "black tyrants."

Mathis, whose speech drew the largest and most raucous reception from the crowd, also chastised the Supreme Court for its role in the 2000 presidential recount.

"[The] Supreme Court was an accomplice to the biggest election crime in history in 2000. And I call it a crime because indeed that is exactly what it was," he said to applause.

The Bush administration was equated with past policies of slavery and segregation and labeled "the enemy of our (black America's) progress" by Mathis.

"They shot and missed when they enslaved, segregated and oppressed our people. They shot and missed when they stole the past two presidential elections. They shot and missed when they denied our right to vote," Mathis said.

An extension and strengthening of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 is imperative to ensure black Americans the right to vote, according to Mathis. "The enemy of democracy continues to attack voting rights here, while they try to fight for democracy in Iraq," he said.

'Intimidation and discrepancies'

Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California appeared at the march and noted that minorities may not have had full voting rights in the last two presidential elections.

"Some changes have to be made so we don't have a repeat of 2000 and 2004 where there was intimidation and discrepancies at the polls," Pelosi told Cybercast News Service during the voting rights march.

"In the state of Ohio, where they had fewer voting booths and long lines in minority neighborhoods and no lines and many voting booths in white neighborhoods, that the balance is not what it should have been," she added.

U.S. Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) echoed the accusation of many at the march that Bush was an illegitimate president.

"The last two elections were stolen. They were stolen and so we will not rest until we reclaim our democracy and this is what today is all about," Lee told the crowd gathered.

Lee also called the war in Iraq "unnecessary, immoral and illegal" and added "our nation was lied to in order to justify this invasion and occupation."

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) made it clear who the marchers were directing their anger at on Saturday.

"We are here to take on President Bush, [Vice President] Dick Cheney. We are here to take on [House Majority Leader] Tom DeLay. We are here to take on the new appointee to the Supreme Court, John Roberts," Waters said from the podium to cheers from the crowd.

'Cause Mother Earth so much pain'

Musician Stevie Wonder addressed the marchers demanding that the Voting Rights Act be extended and strengthened.

"Having to demand that we have a bill that will guarantee the voting rights of all American citizens forever is ridiculous," Wonder said. He also read the lyrics of an upcoming song to be released in September.

"At this time we have a choice to make. Father God is watching while we cause Mother Earth so much pain. It's such a shame. Not enough money for the young, the old, the poor, but for war there is always more," Wonder said.

The Bush administration was also targeted by Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), who declared that the president's "record against human rights, civil rights, economic rights, is absolutely terrible."

Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) said America was being ruled by the "Bush mentality," where "crony capitalism" was supreme.

Jesse Jackson said the Voting Rights Act extension is critical because "the same old enemies of civil rights and voting rights will always keep up their ugly activities.

"Race baiters and discriminators may go underground, but they never move out of town," Jackson said.

The organizers of Saturday's march want to strengthen and preserve Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, which maintains that states with a discriminatory past must submit all changes in voting procedures to the U.S. Department of Justice for approval in order to ensure the changes do not have racially discriminatory effects or purposes.

While the Bush administration and House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) have indicated that they would support full reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act provisions in 2007, the organizers of Saturday's march believe they must begin acting now to ensure their goals.

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Supervisors Move to Close Some King/Drew Wards

By Charles Ornstein and Tracy Weber, Times Staff Writers

August 17, 2005

A bitterly divided Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors took the first step Tuesday toward closing pediatric, obstetric and neonatology wards at Martin Luther King Jr./Drew Medical Center, saying it might be the last chance to save the troubled public hospital.

By a 3-2 vote, the board decided to hold a state-mandated public hearing Oct. 18 to formally consider the cuts recommended by the county health department. In addition to closing the wards, the plan would cut back staff and surgery services needed to reopen the hospital's trauma unit, which was closed in March.

"When you're flunking out of school, you've got to cut out baseball and you've got to cut out extracurricular activities and focus on reading, writing and arithmetic," said Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, who sponsored the motion to proceed with the hearing.

Supervisors Don Knabe and Mike Antonovich joined him, saying the county is under pressure from federal regulators to fix the hospital after a series of troubling patient deaths and other medical mistakes. Without changes, the hospital could lose $200 million in federal funding "” half its budget.


Tuesday's meeting was the latest emotional confrontation between officials seeking to reform the hospital and community members who want to preserve it. The vote pitted the board's three white men against Yvonne Brathwaite Burke and Gloria Molina, its two minority women.

Dr. Marcelle Willock, former dean of the medical school affiliated with King/Drew, said she was troubled that the decision to downsize pediatrics and obstetrics at the hospital was being made by "all old white males."

"When I look at this board "” and I don't mean to be confrontational, but I think this has to be said "” we're talking about women and children, and we need women to make important decisions with this regard," said Willock, who until June worked for Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science. "I'm sorry, gentlemen. You are not as sensitive as you should be."

The supervisors' decision was greeted by jeers and chants of "Stop Zev" from a crowd that at one point reached about 200 people. It drew cries of "It is racist! It is racist!" from one man as he left the supervisors' chambers in downtown Los Angeles.

During about five hours of public testimony, all of the more than 60 speakers opposed the plan, often saying they felt betrayed by the board. Many called for the ouster of Department of Health Services director Dr. Thomas Garthwaite, who drafted the recommendations. Some said they had been denied meaningful input into deciding the fate of King/Drew, which serves a largely impoverished minority community in the South Los Angeles area..

Many speakers noted that the hospital was created out of the anger of the 1965 Watts riots, whose 40th anniversary was last week. At the time of the riots, residents of the neighborhoods around where King/Drew now stands had to travel long distances to a hospital. Now, one of King/Drew's most prized services is care for the community's sickest babies.

"There's a great disconnect," said community activist Cathy Youngblood. "You have facts and figures, presentations ... but you have never taken a poll from the residents that live in this area. I challenge you to come to the area served by the King hospital complex. I challenge you to knock on our doors."

Burke, whose district includes the hospital, and Molina had put forth a competing motion to delay the vote six weeks to give time for more consideration.

The prevailing motion also directed the health department to continue exploring the option of handing control of King/Drew to an outside company in case the proposed fixes don't work. That would take at least six to 12 months of planning, based on a consultant's review. Molina and Burke opposed that idea as well, saying it detracted from other efforts to fix the hospital and hire much-needed staff.

Molina said voting to move ahead with a hearing was "demonstrating to this community, once again, that the only urgency we have is an urgency to cut the services."

She noted that less than a year ago the board voted to close King/Drew's busy trauma center, telling hundreds of resentful community members that the step was needed to take pressure off the hospital so it could be fixed. "We haven't delivered on that," she said. "I think we've disappointed and let the community down because we didn't honor our last commitment."

Only Burke opposed closing the trauma center. But with Molina joining her in opposition to the latest plan, a deep rift in the board has been exposed.

On Tuesday, board members openly feuded, interrupting one another and refusing to craft a consensus motion.

"Madam chair, could I ... " Yaroslavsky interrupted Molina at one point as she asked Garthwaite what the harm in delaying the vote would be.

"Excuse me. Excuse me," she replied tartly.

"Since it's my motion, I'd like to address it," he said.

"Excuse me, I'm not asking about your motion. I'm asking about my motion," Molina shot back. She then told Garthwaite not to let Yaroslavsky "intimidate" him.

The meeting was closely monitored by Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Los Angeles), who sat in the front row for most of the hearing and led off the speakers.

"We have no choice but to engage in this process," she said. "However, let the record reflect our adamant and constant opposition to further attempts to downsize or close any more units and/or services of Martin Luther King hospital or to contract out any physician or any other services."

Waters, who has held weekly community meetings to discuss King/Drew, also demanded that Garthwaite resign or be fired, saying he had "disrespect and contempt for our community."

She also criticized The Times for its coverage of King/Drew, saying it had "undermined, denigrated and basically dishonored the King/Drew Medical Center in every possible way."

Following Waters, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Los Angeles) implored supervisors to solve the hospital's problems instead of cutting its services.

"Don't close it. Don't shrink it. Don't hack it up," Watson said. "Don't starve it of resources. Don't drain it of its professional talent. Don't hand it over to strangers. Don't pass the buck. Don't ignore it, and don't abandon the people it serves day in and day out."

The proposal to downsize is the latest in a long line of attempts to fix King/Drew over two years. The health department has sent in its own managers, hired a consulting firm to oversee nursing services, and, under pressure from the federal government, hired a second consulting firm to take over all operations at King/Drew. Navigant Consulting Inc. is being paid $15 million for its one-year contract.

"I know the frustration you must feel," Watson told the board. "I feel it too.... I'm here to ask you not to yield, because there are still families that need a hospital in South Los Angeles, who deserve one, and who do, in fact, have one, battered as it may be."

In the last two years, the hospital has been cited repeatedly by accreditors and regulators for major lapses in patient care. The hospital, located in Willowbrook south of Watts, also lost its national accreditation earlier this year.

Several King/Drew physicians told the board that their patients, who often lack cars and other resources, would have difficulty reaching other hospitals.

"My patients want to continue to come to us," pediatrician Patricia Del Angel said. "They have faith in us despite all the negative publicity and the relentless media attack."

Tuesday's vote was also opposed by the members of the hospital's advisory board, formed earlier this year by the supervisors to aid them in overseeing King/Drew.

"If we commit to the downsizing, I don't think we'll ever be able to regain the services we cut today," said Dr. Hector Flores, the advisory board chairman.

Yaroslavsky said his plan allowed time for input but did not stop the process. It encourages community members and the hospital advisory board to submit alternative proposals by Sept. 30 and requires the health department to respond by Oct. 7.

In defending his plan, Garthwaite said his aims were to do "” extremely well "” fewer things at the hospital and to focus on the health needs of nearby residents. His plan also calls for expanding outpatient services for pediatrics, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, diabetes and cancer screening and treatment.

Garthwaite maintained that the number of pregnant women and children who sought care at King/Drew had decreased because most of those patients had private insurance or Medi-Cal coverage and sought care at private hospitals because they could. In 2004, the hospital delivered only 622 babies, down from 4,000 a decade ago.

But Burke said the proposed cuts were ironic, coming just weeks after the opening of King/Drew's massive women's center.

"I worked five years to get the women's center," she said. "Now, if a woman walks in there and takes a test and finds out she's pregnant, what do you then say to her? 'Well, you're going to have to go to another hospital because we don't give prenatal because all of our outpatient OB is going to be somewhere else?' "

Knabe said that he was bothered by the angry tone of the meeting and that he had not decided whether he would ultimately vote for the cuts. "We've all made the commitment that we want to save the hospital, and it takes a number of different ways to do that," he said.

Antonovich and Yaroslavsky also did not commit to approving the cuts in October. But Antonovich said community members should be focusing their energy on gaining a safe hospital, not on preserving the status quo.

The people should be outraged that that type of quality care has been in the community that has resulted in death in some cases and impaired the health of others who are receiving treatment there," he said. "That should be the outrage. That is the outrage and that's the action that this board is attempting to correct right now."

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.....now speaking of crying.

A. Begging for AA benefits

B. Falsely accusing the Bush Administration of stealing the Presidential Election.

C. Begging for Butcher/Killer King Hospital to remain in business after Black doctors, nurses, and/or hospital administrators trashed MLK Hospital's existance by being blatantly incompetent, greedy, unethical, criminal, and/or sleazy.

D. Begging for reparations for slavery that will not happen be it today or one hundred years from today.

E. Begging for AFDC benefits.

F. Blaming Caucasians for problems and conditions that Black people perpetrate against themselves.

G. Using marching as the solution for virtually every issue.

H. Giving up hard earned dollars to jackleg preachers.....even to the point of self-destruction, etc., etc.

I. Protecting criminal, unethical, treasonous, and/or un-American disgraceful activity by looking out for outsiders or protecting personal friends at the expense of law abiding U.S. citizens from the Black community.

........and then after giving up resources freely and foolishly to the brink of being destitute, expecting other individuals to be just as foolish.

.......Foolish in the sense that Caucasians, Hispanics, Koreans, and/or other ethnic groups are expected to part with their assets, to fill the void where the Black community trashes its own resources.

Should other individuals refuse to part with their assets, assets not due the Black community, threats, unwarranted character assassination, and/or demands are made by that misfit set that surely exists in our own community, for everybody else to pick up the slack for the incompetence of Black people!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Speaking of Bush....I guess below proves why people like myself and the other black progressives are just way ahead of the average american in our thinking by our outright rejection of bush before he stole office the first time...it is easy to be smart in america...because ya surrounded by a lot of clowns (and i'm not talking the circus kind either) I hope his supporters stick with him all the way into the ground:



Bush popularity at all-time low, poll finds
From staff reports
President Bush's popularity has sunk to the lowest levels of his presidency, the Gallup poll organization said Friday.

President Bush addresses National Guard troops and their families on Wednesday.
By Darin Oswald, The Idaho Statesman

In poll results released Friday afternoon, the president's approval rating was 40%, the lowest in his presidency by 4 points.

The poll of 1,007 adults was conducted Monday through Thursday, a period overlapping the president's series of speeches defending his Iraq war policies.

Those surveyed in the poll included 29% Republicans and 35% Democrats.

The Gallup organization said the president's disapproval rating was 56%. That rating, and the 40% approval figure, are the most negative ratings of the Bush administration. Bush's previous low point in approval was 44% in a poll conducted July 25-28.

Among Republicans, Gallup said, Bush's 82% approval rating is down from the 85%, 86%, 87%, 87%, and 86% recorded in the last five polls prior to this one, and is below the 89% Republican approval rating he has gotten this year before the most recent poll. He has averaged a 92% approval rating among Republicans for his entire presidency, the Gallup Web site said.

In a second set of poll results released Friday, those surveyed put their overall satisfaction with the way things are going in the U.S. at 34%, the lowest since March 1996.



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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-26-bush-poll_x.htm
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Originally posted by Huey:
I heard that his rating now is low than Nixon's rating during Watergate, Kevin.

You know it's really sad when Nixon's spirit is looking down on earth (or up--whatever the case may be) and watching the Shrub on TV and says, "Damn, and I thought I fu*@ed up."


.....and indeed it is a good thing that the Black community is not an entirely monolithic thinking community.

More so than the Bush Administration and/or conservative ideology, the doomed for failure policies of the Democratic Party and/or liberal community:

A. Maintains the cycle of the illegal and unwarranted break up of the law abiding Black family structure for profit.

B. Maintains the cycle of poverty, and blight.

C. Promotes sexual promiscuity, and same sex marriages.

D. Infers that the oppression of homosexuals, lesbians, gays, women, etc., is on par with the oppression of Black people.

E. Maintains the cycle of despair, and penal incarceration for profit.

F. Promotes doomed for failure drug treatment, and half-way house centers for profit.

G. Increases the need for Mental Health clinics, by ruining the minds of Black people who came into the world perfectly normal, but who are now insane due to the destructive doomed for failure policies that drive up insanity within the Black community.

H. Promotes begging for doomed for failure and yet to benefit the masses no good and lacking of equity Affirmative Action programs. Mind, you if you are truly competent at what you do, AA benefits are no longer needed, and it would be an insult to your own integrity to accept AA benefits as a substitute for gains truly earned.

I. Promote increased abortion, and foster care for profit in the Black community.

J. Promotes the proliferation of churches headed by no good jackleg sleazy treasonous sacrilegious Black preachers, at the expense of business development, and/or real growth in the Black community.

K. Any combination of the above, and/or other forms of perversion or destruction designed to keep the Black community in poverty. This treasonous activity is promoted by a disgraceful Black elected leadership, liberal Caucasian Democrats, and/or that treasonous Black middleclass who promote them!


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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I heard that his rating now is low than Nixon's rating during Watergate, Kevin.

You know it's really sad when Nixon's spirit is looking down on earth (or up--whatever the case may be) and watching the Shrub on TV and says, "Damn, and I thought I fu*@ed up."



And the cold part is Huey...is that the white people who thought he ws the answer because he thought....."really white" are pissed at him....but you have negroes....who his policies intend to punish domestically.....still trying to promote his azz as worthy of his job....it is sad when a negro is an uncle tom....but when a negro makes the extreme effort to side with racist whites by leaping over other whites who have come to their senses....a little.....to be closer to massa....simply amazing huh?
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
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Originally posted by Huey:
I heard that his rating now is low than Nixon's rating during Watergate, Kevin.

You know it's really sad when Nixon's spirit is looking down on earth (or up--whatever the case may be) and watching the Shrub on TV and says, "Damn, and I thought I fu*@ed up."



And the cold part is Huey...is that the white people who thought he ws the answer because he thought....."really white" are pissed at him....but you have negroes....who his policies intend to punish domestically.....still trying to promote his azz as worthy of his job....it is sad when a negro is an uncle tom....but when a negro makes the extreme effort to side with racist whites by leaping over other whites who have come to their senses....a little.....to be closer to massa....simply amazing huh?


....more likely the games of the deceitful Democratic Party being played on the Black community, and/or listening to, or respecting misguided Kevin41 ideology, is on the decline, or over!
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And the cold part Huey..is that some of the same people who decry social programs come from the demographic that depended on them the most....but their hatred of self makes them castigate others to the same extent that they are self-castigating.....a sad state of affairs indeed......


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"DISPATCH FROM SANDY SPRINGS, GA.
Nascent City Trying to Keep Its Money Close to Home

The affluent suburb north of Atlanta wants its new government to be as small as possible, and is planning to privatize most services.

By Ellen Barry, Times Staff Writer

August 29, 2005

ATLANTA "” For decades, the suburbanites of Sandy Springs complained about the bureaucracy of Atlanta's Fulton County, to which they were miserably attached. They described it with words like "bloated" and "decaying."

Now, after voting overwhelmingly this summer to incorporate, the community "” relatively affluent, predominantly white, with a population of 87,000 "” will become Georgia's seventh-largest city.

And when leaders asked themselves what kind of government best suited them, a clear vision emerged: as little government as possible.

So when the city of Sandy Springs opens for business Jan. 1, private corporations may be called in to manage storm water programs, street maintenance, building inspections, human resources, accounting "” in other words, nearly everything except police, fire and emergency services. The city, one community leader said, will add personnel only when it becomes clear that it is necessary.

"We don't have the baggage," said Oliver W. Porter, interim city manager and chairman of the Governor's Commission on Sandy Springs, which is assisting in the transition process until city officials are elected in November.

"We don't have people to fire. We have a clean sheet of paper. If we just go the traditional route, we'll get the traditional reaction, which is 'Feed me.' "

Sandy Springs' 30-year campaign for independence, which over the years featured three-cornered hats and a staged Boston Tea Party, has centered on issues of money and power.

The area's first burst of growth came as white Atlantans left the city in the 1970s. Although the region has seen an influx of Latinos in recent years, Sandy Springs has remained distinct from the southern part of the county, which is poor and predominantly black.

Sandy Springs' median family income, according to the 2000 census, is $85,146 "” compared with $47,321 for Fulton County. In recent years, Sandy Springs residents contributed about $18 million annually in county tax revenues, and complained that their dollars were used to pay for social services in the southern part of the county.

They also contended that Sandy Springs had little control over its own zoning.

For years, Democratic politicians in Georgia took a dim view of Sandy Springs' bid to incorporate, casting it as a battle of a wealthy white enclave to the north against black Atlanta. So did editorials in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Eva Galambos, a leader of the movement to incorporate and a candidate for mayor, blamed "the liberal bent of the media. They can't stand to see the suburb get what it wants."

But last year, Republicans took over the Legislature for the first time in 130 years, and self-determination for Sandy Springs rose on the agenda. Appearing at a $50-a-plate dinner last spring, Republican Gov. Sonny Perdue compared the independence campaign to leading "the Israelites out of Egypt," the Journal-Constitution reported.

In a June 21 referendum, about 94% of voters were in favor of incorporation.

Now the period of daydreaming has come to an end, replaced by the challenge of designing a government in a few months.

Leaders of the incorporation push were intrigued by the model of Weston, Fla. "” a community of 65,000 in Broward County with a $100-million annual budget and three city employees.

Weston was not conceived of as an experiment in minimum government, but after it incorporated in 1996, planners recognized the appeal of contracting for services, City Manager John R. Flint said.

"It all fell into place," Flint said. "We're not going to have any employees. We're not going to build a city hall, and no one is going to build an empire. People would come by and ask us, 'So how's your little science project going?' "

Sandy Springs' planners made a visit to study the Florida community "” their only such trip "” and came back inspired.

Porter said his main impression was of beauty. "What I mean by beauty is efficiency," the former AT&T executive said. "Efficiency and responsiveness."

Sandy Springs' leaders also have reached out to the Reason Public Policy Institute, a California think tank that promotes privatization. Geoffrey F. Segal, who recently visited Sandy Springs, said the budding city's ability to experiment "truly is unique."

"You can imagine these kinds of discussions taking place when this country was forming," said Segal, the institute's director of privatization and government reform policy. "If a year from now, 70 or 80% of functions [in Sandy Springs] are being handled by private contractors, maybe it shows other cities that it can be done and they don't need the bells and the whistles."

Last month, 41 companies interested in contracts with Sandy Springs showed up to bid; among them was the British water and wastewater utility corporation that serves Weston. The meeting, Porter said, "was different from anything most of [the companies] had ever seen."

"We're pioneering, in a sense," Porter said. "When the pioneers went across the mountains, they didn't always know what was on the other side."

The process of government-building has sparked its share of controversies. Some residents support the idea of erecting a town center with a city hall, while others say it's a waste of money. And there has been grumbling that the process is happening behind closed doors.

At the same time, several communities around Sandy Springs are watching the process, attracted by the idea of keeping tax revenues closer to home.

State Sen. Vincent D. Fort, a Democrat who represents Fulton County, predicted that Sandy Springs would be the first in a series of suburbs to gain autonomy, and that the shift would force county planners to gradually eliminate social services like libraries or Meals on Wheels.

"You're going to have this different tax distribution that is going to have an impact," Fort said. "That's nothing but apartheid."

Doug Bachtel, a demographer at the University of Georgia, said newly autonomous regions such as Sandy Springs would face the challenge of satisfying the expectations of suburbanites.

"Your political philosophy says: 'I don't like big government, but you've got to get it done,' " Bachtel said. "They want the garbage picked up."

Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times"

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....and this ideology is picking up steam, because the people who work for a living, and/or who hold assets demand less government influence over their lives.

Poverty programs, Social Welfare, etc., are being downsized, and in this instance eliminated. Those who work hard for their earnings and/or those individuals who hold the assets refuse to be responsible for picking up the tab, for individuals who have made social welfare a way life.


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I have yet to apply for, beg for, or depend on any social welfare benefits for my survival. The disgrace of some Black people to misuse the welfare system to unlawfully break-up my immediate family to derive ill-gained AFDC benefits is the only connection that I have ever had with any government sponsored social program, a government sponsored social program that disgraceful Black people used against my own best interest.

I'm one Black male who won't miss the loss of social welfare, AFDC benefits, etc., etc., because the only connection that these programs have had in my life, is the connection to destroy what the "Great Almight God" put together, meaning my immediate family!


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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U.S. Justice Department Approves Georgia's Voter ID Law Over Accusations of Racism
By The Associated Press
© 2005 DiversityInc.com®
August 29, 2005


The government approved on Friday a Georgia law that requires voters to show photo IDs at the polls. Opponents immediately vowed to take the case to federal court, claiming it discriminates against minorities.



The decision, written by John Tanner, chief of the Justice Department's voting section, said that while Attorney General Alberto Gonzales does not object to the law, approval does not preclude lawsuits to contest it.



"It's not over yet. We will pursue litigation in federal court," said state Rep. Tyrone Brooks, chairperson of the Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials, which filed the objection to the law with the Justice Department.

Rep. John Lewis, a Democratic member of Congress who marched with Martin Luther King in the civil-rights movement of the 1960s, said, "It is unbelievable. It is unreal the Department of Justice"”an agency who is supposed to protect the American public by enforcing the Voting Rights Act of 1965"”is now involved in attempts to weaken the act."

"This decision takes us back to the dark past of literacy tests and other insidious devices that were carefully devised to hamper the participation of all of our citizens in the political process," Lewis said.


The Republican-backed measure sparked racial tension during the state's legislative session last spring. Most of Georgia's black lawmakers walked out of the state Capitol after it was approved.

Democrats had argued the idea was a political move by the Republican majority to depress voting among minorities, the elderly and the poor, traditional power bases for Democrats.

The law would eliminate use at polling places of several currently accepted forms of identification, including identification cards for the federal Social Security retirement system, birth certificates or utility bills.

"Requiring valid, photographic identification is a commonsense step to ensure voter integrity and sound elections," Gov. Sonny Perdue said Friday in a written statement.

Perdue signed the measure in April, and it was pending approval by the Justice Department before it could take effect. Under the federal Voting Rights Act, Georgia and other states with a history of suppressing minority voting, mainly in the South, must get federal permission to change voting laws.


Nineteen states require voters to show identification, but only five request photo ID, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Those states"”Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, South Carolina and South Dakota"”allow voters without photo IDs to use other forms of identification or sign affidavits of identity.

"The decision to clear the measure now gives Georgia the most Draconian voter identification requirement in the nation," said Daniel Levitas of the American Civil Liberties Union's Voting Rights Project in Atlanta.

Perdue, like other Republicans, has said the measure is aimed at preventing voter fraud. "It will not be a hardship on any voter," Perdue said when he signed the bill.

The new Georgia law also allows people to vote absentee without an excuse, and for a longer period. Those votes by mail would not require photographic identification. Republicans are thought to benefit more from absentee balloting.

The Rev. Jesse Jackson, head of the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and a veteran of the civil-rights movement, said he was disturbed by the federal decision.

"My fear is that this will spread across the country like a virus," he said. "This just shows how the anti-civil-rights' machinery is in motion." (AP)
I am baffled by something in that article you posted and the issue of showing photo identifcation to vote. Why would showing a photo I.D.- especially in a state that gives free state issued photo I.D.s to non-drivers- become a racial issue? How does one in the state of Georgia cash a pay check (or pension/SS check) without some form of photo I.D.?

And yes, I've read some of the different issues involved and there would be legitimate concerns if getting an I.D. required some form of payment, or test or special fee or tax.

How does anyone get through any given month without having some form of I.D. (except perhaps for some of the most destitute and homeless, who even then have them available?)
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I am baffled by something in that article you posted and the issue of showing photo identifcation to vote. Why would showing a photo I.D.- especially in a state that gives free state issued photo I.D.s to non-drivers- become a racial issue? How does one in the state of Georgia cash a pay check (or pension/SS check) without some form of photo I.D.?

And yes, I've read some of the different issues involved and there would be legitimate concerns if getting an I.D. required some form of payment, or test or special fee or tax.

How does anyone get through any given month without having some form of I.D. (except perhaps for some of the most destitute and homeless, who even then have them available?)


*Do soem research on the topic.....i'm tired of doing the learning of others for them.....I learned after years of providing research to blkCONS that I do not do footwork for others anymore....also because I never had anyone do any for me......nothing personal....
Here is another indicator of the condition of things in this country....but I hope like hell the bush supporters ride this one out all the way into the ground.....and that it affects them personally.......the same people crying about jobs or the war were the same ones waving flags and representing the white nationalism that W duped them into feeling.....the more this fool f-ks up the country and the world....the more it demonstrates how smart black people are for turning their back on this idiot...and the negroes who support w....are just house slaves looking for a sense of identity based on inclusiveness....even if it means fucking over the futures of their own relatives and offspring......better them than me.....the sad part is.....the black lower income demographic really takes it hard with the reduction in social programs and educational benefits.....no matter what I accomplish in life...I will always vote and support policies and organizations that help the poor.....and any nigga who has been poor and has experienced homelessness and any unemployment of their own and in their family is supposed to know better than I do......because thank goodness I have never experienced none of that.....I do not take it for granted and like anything I accomplish, I am humbled by it all.....because I know things can easily be bad before they can be good.....but with the war, deficits and cuts in social programs that kept many out of poverty being attacked....it shows that the people of this country aren't schit....especially anyone who has experienced those same situations....I looked at the situation in NewOrleans with the majority of the people being black....just like the homeless....just like the incarcerated....and wish I could spit in the face of any nigga who defends the status quo.....here you go....the state of the union:


37 million living in poverty, Census Bureau says
Associated Press

WASHINGTON "”The nation's poverty rate rose to 12.7 percent of the population last year, the fourth consecutive annual increase, the Census Bureau said today.

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The percentage of people without health insurance did not change.

Overall, there were 37 million people living in poverty, up 1.1 million people from 2003.

Asians were the only ethnic group to show a decline in poverty "” from 11.8 percent in 2003 to 9.8 percent last year. The poverty rate among the elderly declined as well, from 10.2 percent in 2003 to 9.8 percent last year.

The last decline in overall poverty was in 2000, when 31.1 million people lived under the threshold "” 11.3 percent of the population.

The number of people without health insurance grew from 45 million to 45.8 million. At the same time, the number of people with health insurance coverage grew by 2 million last year.

The median household income, meanwhile, stood at $44,389, unchanged from 2003. Among racial and ethnic groups blacks had the lowest median income and Asians the highest. Median income refers to the point at which half of households earn more and half earn less.

Regionally, income declined only in the Midwest, down 2.8 percent to $44,657. The South was the poorest region and the Northeast and the West had the highest median incomes.

The increase in poverty came despite strong economic growth, which helped create 2.2 million jobs last year.

Sheldon Danziger, co-director of the National Poverty Center at the University of Michigan, said the poverty number is still much better than the 80s and early 90s.

"The good news is that poverty is a lot lower than it was in 1993, but we went through a hell of an economic boom," Danziger said. "Nobody is predicting we're going to go through another economic boom like that."

The poverty threshold differs by the size and makeup of a household. For instance, a family of four with two children was considered living in poverty if income was $19,157 or less. For a family of two with no children, it was $12,649. For a person 65 and over living alone, it was 9,060.

The estimates on poverty, uninsured and income are based on supplements to the bureau's Current Population Survey, and are conducted over three months, beginning in February, at about 100,000 households nationwide.


** Yeah....jobs were created...burger and hot dog stand and retail jobs with low azz pay, no benefits and no career path...and definitely no educational opportunities...but I just stand back and watch....because racist whites and house negroes are W's biggest base.....
Between that last post and this one......I see why the blackCOn is confusing....he aligns himself with those who fought against their own parent's attaining equality...and like the resultant drops in college enrollment for blacks after the repeal of AA...overall as a philosophy it is illogical for a black to support anything that is harmful to blacks in any way....and even more illogical to try and sell that schit to black people as some" we have to go backwards in order to move forward" bullschit when they are shown they support detrimental policy outcomes....but the thinking of this inbred furthers the weird nature of the blkCON.......wow...simply amazing...


Retired Sen. Jesse Helms Publishes Memoir
By The Associated Press
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August 30, 2005


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Jesse Helms, writing with the same passion that made him the archconservative of the U.S. Senate for 30 years, renews his criticism of abortion in a memoir being published this week, comparing it to both the Holocaust and the Sept. 11 attacks.

"I will never be silent about the death of those who cannot speak for themselves," the former senator wrote in Here's Where I Stand, which is scheduled for release Tuesday.

The North Carolina Republican, known as "Senator No" for his consistent efforts to block what he considered liberal initiatives and unqualified foreign policy appointees, makes clear his views on abortion and other issues have hardly moderated since he left office in 2003.

He repeatedly introduced bills seeking to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion and in his book he defends his criticized comparisons of abortion and the Holocaust.

"I reject that criticism because this is indeed another kind of holocaust, by another name," he wrote. "At last count, more than 40 million unborn children have been deliberately, intentionally destroyed. What word adequately defines the scope of such slaughter?"

Helms, 83, writes that when 3,000 people died on Sept. 11, 2001, "the American people responded with shock, sadness and a deep and righteous anger"”and rightly so.

"Yet let us not forget that every passing day in our country, more than three thousand innocent Americans are killed" through abortion.

The comments on abortion match Helms' career of speaking bluntly on sensitive issues like school prayer, government funding for the arts and welfare reform.

Helms wrote there was no conservative plan to take over national politics"”just like-minded people rising through the ranks.

Helms devotes an entire chapter to his views on race relations, defending his record challenging most of the nation's civil-rights legislation as a 1960s television commentator and as a senator.

"I felt that the citizens of my community, my state and my region of the country were being battered by this new form of bigotry," he wrote. "I simply could not stay silent in the face of this assault"”and I didn't."

Helms suggests the South could have integrated voluntarily if the federal government had not intervened. He wrote, "I believed right would prevail as people followed their own consciences."

He claimed he opposed creation of a national Martin Luther King Jr. holiday in 1983 in part because the Senate rejected his amendment that would have unsealed the FBI's files on the civil rights leader. Helms contends King's advisers included Communist sympathizers.

Since retiring in 2003, Helms has spent time with his wife of more than 60 years and kept up with the activities of the Jesse Helms Center at Wingate University, near his hometown of Monroe. He gets around with a scooter or walker and said of his health: "Some days are better than others."

In an e-mail interview, Helms said he hopes what future generations learn about him "will be based on the truth and not the deliberate inaccuracies those who disagreed with me took such delight in repeating."

"My legacy will be up to others to describe," he added. (AP)
Bush's way: discipline, dollars and deceit
Jonathan Chait

August 26, 2005

IT WAS LESS than a month ago that President Bush and his Republican allies were celebrating a string of legislative triumphs, once again demonstrating Bush's near-infallible ability to get his way. This seems so strange because a virtual consensus has developed that the administration has been utterly incompetent in its planning and execution of the war in Iraq.

So, what gives? How can an administration be so masterful in the way it campaigns and shepherds its legislative agenda, yet so blundering in its conduct of a war?

The answer is that Bush's political successes all have three main elements in common, none of which translates well into fighting a war.

The first is massive partisan discipline. Bush's ability to persuade fellow Republicans to swallow their misgivings and back his agenda is uncanny. Fiscal conservatives may balk at huge spending hikes like his 2003 Medicare bill, and deficit hawks may blanch at repeated tax cuts in the face of deficits. But when the vote is on the line, they always capitulate.

In 2003, Ohio Sen. George Voinovich, a traditional fiscal conservative, asserted that rising red ink would "undermine our economy instead of stimulating it," and then proceeded to support a $350-billion tax cut. And even that concession was soon nullified. Republicans bragged about how easy it was to cook the books to comply with Voinovich's limit "” "Numbers don't mean anything," scoffed Tom DeLay "” and yet Voinovich remained on board anyway. In 2001, one GOP representative, Robin Hayes of North Carolina, actually cried after the leadership forced him to vote for a trade bill he disdained.



ELEMENT NO. 2 is massive giveaways to well-organized lobbies. Bush's string of midsummer triumphs "” the energy bill, the transportation bill, CAFTA "” were larded with special provisions for sundry lobbyists. The same holds for Bush's tax cuts, Medicare bill, farm subsidies and various other elements of his agenda. It's easy to get things done if you're willing to empty the federal Treasury and enrich everyone who can afford a K Street lobbyist.

The third element is "” how should I put it? "” lying. The corollary to No. 2 is that a platform of massive tax and spending giveaways to the rich and powerful does not have wide public appeal. Therefore, Bush and his allies have had to systematically misrepresent basic facts about their policies.

Bush insisted that the majority of his tax cut would go to the lowest-earning taxpayers, which is untrue by any definition. He and his administration have repeatedly low-balled the cost of their initiatives. One Bush flunky threatened to fire a government actuary who wanted to release the true cost of the Medicare bill. Thus many Republicans voted "yes" on the strict assurance the bill would not cost a penny more than $400 billion, while the administration knew the real price tag would be about double that.

Alas, none of these tools work as well in Baghdad as they do in Washington. Promising to build a bridge in Muqtada Sadr's district or funnel cash to his campaign is unlikely to mollify the Shiite strongman. Iraqi democracy, in its primitive state, has yet to develop the equivalent of K Street.

When it comes to crafting policies that are good, rather than policies that merely seem good to an inattentive public, the Bush administration turns out to be awful. You can insist that 125,000 troops are enough to reconstruct Iraq, just as you can insist that $400 billion is enough to pay for the Medicare bill. The difference is, the effects of higher federal debt can be obscured for a long time. But when Iraqi reconstruction has essentially halted, some two-thirds of the population lacks employment and terrorists and other armed thugs are roaming freely throughout Iraqi cities, lies can get you only so far.
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Bush's way: discipline, dollars and deceit
Jonathan Chait

August 26, 2005

IT WAS LESS than a month ago that President Bush and his Republican allies were celebrating a string of legislative triumphs, once again demonstrating Bush's near-infallible ability to get his way. This seems so strange because a virtual consensus has developed that the administration has been utterly incompetent in its planning and execution of the war in Iraq.

So, what gives? How can an administration be so masterful in the way it campaigns and shepherds its legislative agenda, yet so blundering in its conduct of a war?

The answer is that Bush's political successes all have three main elements in common, none of which translates well into fighting a war.

The first is massive partisan discipline. Bush's ability to persuade fellow Republicans to swallow their misgivings and back his agenda is uncanny. Fiscal conservatives may balk at huge spending hikes like his 2003 Medicare bill, and deficit hawks may blanch at repeated tax cuts in the face of deficits. But when the vote is on the line, they always capitulate.

In 2003, Ohio Sen. George Voinovich, a traditional fiscal conservative, asserted that rising red ink would "undermine our economy instead of stimulating it," and then proceeded to support a $350-billion tax cut. And even that concession was soon nullified. Republicans bragged about how easy it was to cook the books to comply with Voinovich's limit "” "Numbers don't mean anything," scoffed Tom DeLay "” and yet Voinovich remained on board anyway. In 2001, one GOP representative, Robin Hayes of North Carolina, actually cried after the leadership forced him to vote for a trade bill he disdained.



ELEMENT NO. 2 is massive giveaways to well-organized lobbies. Bush's string of midsummer triumphs "” the energy bill, the transportation bill, CAFTA "” were larded with special provisions for sundry lobbyists. The same holds for Bush's tax cuts, Medicare bill, farm subsidies and various other elements of his agenda. It's easy to get things done if you're willing to empty the federal Treasury and enrich everyone who can afford a K Street lobbyist.

The third element is "” how should I put it? "” lying. The corollary to No. 2 is that a platform of massive tax and spending giveaways to the rich and powerful does not have wide public appeal. Therefore, Bush and his allies have had to systematically misrepresent basic facts about their policies.

Bush insisted that the majority of his tax cut would go to the lowest-earning taxpayers, which is untrue by any definition. He and his administration have repeatedly low-balled the cost of their initiatives. One Bush flunky threatened to fire a government actuary who wanted to release the true cost of the Medicare bill. Thus many Republicans voted "yes" on the strict assurance the bill would not cost a penny more than $400 billion, while the administration knew the real price tag would be about double that.

Alas, none of these tools work as well in Baghdad as they do in Washington. Promising to build a bridge in Muqtada Sadr's district or funnel cash to his campaign is unlikely to mollify the Shiite strongman. Iraqi democracy, in its primitive state, has yet to develop the equivalent of K Street.

When it comes to crafting policies that are good, rather than policies that merely seem good to an inattentive public, the Bush administration turns out to be awful. You can insist that 125,000 troops are enough to reconstruct Iraq, just as you can insist that $400 billion is enough to pay for the Medicare bill. The difference is, the effects of higher federal debt can be obscured for a long time. But when Iraqi reconstruction has essentially halted, some two-thirds of the population lacks employment and terrorists and other armed thugs are roaming freely throughout Iraqi cities, lies can get you only so far.


People who hold assets, and/or those who work for a living praise President Bush, the Bush Administration, the Republican Party, and/or Conservative ideology. I know I praise this ideology. Heck social welfare has done nothing but destroy the lives of anyone or everyone within my circle!

Considering the fraudulent acts of using the names of canines, dead people, felons, illegal immigrants, undocumented immigrants, non citizens, having the votes of one individual counting multiple times, as it relates to the fraud that took place in Florida, as it concerns Democratic Party voting precints, and/or other Democratic precint jurisdictions, it would be a very good idea to require proof in the form of a valid picture identification.

Valid identification would reduce or eliminate fraud, cheating, etc., at the polls. The Democratic Party established the need for this new practice because its membership chose to win the elected by any means necessary. The means necessary would include using fraudulent practices to get the job done!

Heck, if an individual is legitimate, it would not bother the individual presenting proof to exercise the right to vote. The only individuals who would or should be concerned are the individuals who choose to falsely misrepresented themselves to exercise the right to vote.

This being said end of conversation. The words of wisdom of a Kevin41, Marty, etc., etc., won't change the thoughts of people who hold assets and/or who work for a living.
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Social programs always hurt the lazy dependent and greedy..but many people who have been in unfortunate situations used welfare as a temporary form of assistance, got back on their feet, educated themselves and their children and now have attained middle or upper middle class status...those are the people I fight to keep programs in place for...just like a kid froma shitty inner city existence taking remidial courses in college and coming up to speed and then excelling...I have too many examples of people who do not stay mired in black hatred, hopelessness, envy and jealousy just beccause they were black and poor...like jim crow..many knew it was the hand they were dealt at birth and not because they were bad or sorry azz people...and if I were them....i would work hard and leave self-hating and criminal fools behind to rot and try to go back and extract those who want to work and do better....but as long as I was in a community with negroes who just want to bitch and moan and not do shit to change conditions.....i'd fade their azz and those surroundings like an old pair jeans..I came from a black community that is clean as it was decades ago.....and low crime and quiet with families still intact...it is all black and is considered middle class...but the people there do not have that urban azz mentality where they think all black=f-ked up and high crime like the fools elude to in here....but back to the social programs...they should remain to do some people good and get them on their feet.....and f-k what the fools are saying...because the very shit they decry....saved their azzes from eating out of trashcans....but they are too stupid and self-hating and selfish to realize as much...........
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Social programs always hurt the lazy dependent and greedy..but many people who have been in unfortunate situations used welfare as a temporary form of assistance, got back on their feet, educated themselves and their children and now have attained middle or upper middle class status...those are the people I fight to keep programs in place for...just like a kid froma shitty inner city existence taking remidial courses in college and coming up to speed and then excelling...I have too many examples of people who do not stay mired in black hatred, hopelessness, envy and jealousy just beccause they were black and poor...like jim crow..many knew it was the hand they were dealt at birth and not because they were bad or sorry azz people...and if I were them....i would work hard and leave self-hating and criminal fools behind to rot and try to go back and extract those who want to work and do better....but as long as I was in a community with negroes who just want to bitch and moan and not do shit to change conditions.....i'd fade their azz and those surroundings like an old pair jeans..I came from a black community that is clean as it was decades ago.....and low crime and quiet with families still intact...it is all black and is considered middle class...but the people there do not have that urban azz mentality where they think all black=f-ked up and high crime like the fools elude to in here....but back to the social programs...they should remain to do some people good and get them on their feet.....and f-k what the fools are saying...because the very shit they decry....saved their azzes from eating out of trashcans....but they are too stupid and self-hating and selfish to realize as much...........


Initially social welfare was meant to serve the disabled, the elderly, the truly disadvantaged, the poverty stricken, but in the Black community it has become a way life, where the torch of being on the dole is passed from generation to generation.

AFDC and Social Welfare have been misused and abused to destroy the Black family structure, to aid the greedy as opposed to the needy, and/or to line the pockets of administrators, social workers, sleazy individuals, etc., etc.

.....and the people who hold assets, who work hard for their assets etc., etc., are not buying it, so much so, that in many areas or communities, social welfare as it has commonly been misused, is being downsized if not all together, eliminated.


The thoughts, beliefs, etc., of a Kevin41, and/or those of similar expression have been overruled, superceded, ignored, etc., by the majority of the voters that also include hard working Black people........

..........who support the Bush Administration, and/or any other Administration that chooses to make better use of taxpayer's dollars.
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*Do [some] research on the topic.....i'm tired of doing the learning of others for them.....I learned after years of providing research to blkCONS that I do not do footwork for others anymore....also because I never had anyone do any for me......nothing personal....


In other words, you have no answer that stands the test of logic. I have done the research, and have yet to find a logical compelling reason that showing an I.D. to vote should be considered "racist" in a state where government issued photo I.D. are free to whomever needs one. I was hoping you could shed some light on why you posted an article that presents a concept I assume (correctly or incorrectly) that you concur with. I didn't ask for your research. I asked for your opinion, and definitely not your backhanded, swipe at me. ("Nothing personal?" bs)
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Social programs always hurt the lazy dependent and greedy..but many people who have been in unfortunate situations used welfare as a temporary form of assistance, got back on their feet, educated themselves and their children and now have attained middle or upper middle class status...those are the people I fight to keep programs in place for...just like a kid froma shitty inner city existence taking remidial courses in college and coming up to speed and then excelling...I have too many examples of people who do not stay mired in black hatred, hopelessness, envy and jealousy just beccause they were black and poor...like jim crow..many knew it was the hand they were dealt at birth and not because they were bad or sorry azz people...and if I were them....i would work hard and leave self-hating and criminal fools behind to rot and try to go back and extract those who want to work and do better....but as long as I was in a community with negroes who just want to bitch and moan and not do shit to change conditions.....i'd fade their azz and those surroundings like an old pair jeans..I came from a black community that is clean as it was decades ago.....and low crime and quiet with families still intact...it is all black and is considered middle class...but the people there do not have that urban azz mentality where they think all black=f-ked up and high crime like the fools elude to in here....but back to the social programs...they should remain to do some people good and get them on their feet.....and f-k what the fools are saying...because the very shit they decry....saved their azzes from eating out of trashcans....but they are too stupid and self-hating and selfish to realize as much...........


tfro Well put.
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*Do [some] research on the topic.....i'm tired of doing the learning of others for them.....I learned after years of providing research to blkCONS that I do not do footwork for others anymore....also because I never had anyone do any for me......nothing personal....


In other words, you have no answer that stands the test of logic. I have done the research, and have yet to find a logical compelling reason that showing an I.D. to vote should be considered "racist" in a state where government issued photo I.D. are free to whomever needs one. I was hoping you could shed some light on why you posted an article that presents a concept I assume (correctly or incorrectly) that you concur with. I didn't ask for your research. I asked for your opinion, and definitely not your backhanded, swipe at me. ("Nothing personal?" bs)




**How is saying I do not do footwork for others anymore a swipe at you? I do not think I placed an opinion with the article.....period, so there is no indication of a stance on the issue....but if you ask me...it will be another hurdle to jump through for blacks and not enforced as much in white areas.....and I bet the other forms of ID that are supposedly disallowed will be allowed in select areas....you know how this country works......black people LOOT for food and white people FIND food....cognitive dissonance...so in the future...anyway you can conceive racist behavior applied to blacks has some merit to it....because there is not a sector of this society that remains untouched by it.....from the hospitals we are born in...to the cemetery we are buried in.....there are whites somewhere in this country trying to establish an inequity that favors whites over blacks.....read about how racism is linked to white supremacy..and how racists try to shape every scenario they can to favor whites...and make themselves feel superior as if the inequity was attained through merit and hard work.....never thought I would have to explain that one again.............


in the future....do a little homework...you'll find reasoning enough...



Julian Bond, Chairman, NAACP Board of Directors, has joined a coalition of civil rights activists in asking the U.S. Justice Department to deny pre-clearance of Georgia's voting legislation that would require voters to present photo identification as a violation of the Voting Rights Act.

Bond said Georgia House Bill 244 (H.B. 244) is "highly detrimental to the very rights that the Act was designed to protect." Although supporters of the law claim it will prevent fraud, Bond said: "Beyond having no anti-fraud rationale, the photo identification requirements of H.B. 244 will pose a real burden to real people, especially the poor and elderly. Many do not have drivers' licenses and cannot afford the fee for an identification card. Requiring a payment to secure the right to vote was declared unconstitutional decades ago, as you know. The cost requirements are reminiscent of the days when poll taxes were required, days which no American wishes to revisit."

The Georgia legislation "shrinks the allowable forms of voter identification from 17 to six, imposing a substantial racial impact that disenfranchises many thousands of minority Georgia voters and would-be voters. At this writing, there are only 56 locations in Georgia that issue the primary identification H.B. 244 will require," Bond wrote in a letter to John Tanner, Chief, Voting Section Civil Rights Division of the U. S. Department of Justice.

The Georgia Assembly passed H.B. 244 on March 31, 2005 and it was signed by Governor Perdue on April 22, 2005, amending certain provisions of the Georgia code to require government-issued photo identification as a prerequisite for voting in Georgia.

The NAACP and other civil rights activists charge that H.B. 244 restricts voter access in ways that severely impact racial minorities while easing restrictions for absentee voters. Furthermore, Georgia's Secretary of State Cathy Cox argued in her protest to the Department of Justice that no fraud in voter identification had ever occurred during her term in office, while numerous charges of fraud were associated with the absentee process that the legislature has now expanded.

Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act requires the Department of Justice to refuse clearance to state legislation affecting voting procedures that either have a discriminatory purpose or would "have the effect of denying or abridging the right to vote on account of race or color."

In addition to the NAACP, coalitions of civil rights activists and groups have asked the Justice Department to deny pre-clearance of H.B. 244. They include: AARP Georgia, Georgia's ACLU, the Atlanta Chapter of the American Jewish Committee, the Anti Defamation League, the Asian-Pacific Legal Center, the Atlanta Black-Jewish Coalition, the Atlanta Business League, Common Cause/Georgia, the Georgia Alliance of African-American Attorneys, the Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials, the Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials, the Georgia Legislative Black Caucus, the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, Georgia's League of Women Voters, the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund, People for the American Way Foundation, Project Vote and many other organizations.

Currently, Georgia law allows voters to gain entry to polls using non-photo identification, including a valid birth certificate, a valid social security card, certified naturalization documentation, a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, or any government document bearing the name and address of the voter. Voters who do not have any of these forms of identification may, under current law, make a sworn statement that they are qualified to vote.

Recent census data shows that African Americans in Georgia are nearly five times less likely than whites to have access to a motor vehicle. There are only 56 locations in Georgia that issue the primary identification required by the new law. Moreover, many of Georgia's citizens in rural areas who do not have accessible transportation may need to travel through two counties to reach a Department of Motor Vehicle Services (DMVS) office.

Georgia recently eliminated the only two DMVS locations inside the City of Atlanta, the state's most densely populated urban area, and one which is populated by a substantial number of African American residents. A person living in the downtown, southeast, and southwest portions of Atlanta (which have a substantially high minority population) must now travel 10-15 miles to access a DMVS.
1)GA already had a requirement to show a photo or non-photo id at the polls when this new law was passed. Some of the non-photo id's allowable were a lease, utility bill, or bank statement.

2)No one can point to an actual occurance of voter fraud that would have been stopped had a photo-id only requirement been in effect.

3)The forms of non-photo id previously allowed to be shown at the polls are the same id's a person needs in order to obtain a photo-id.

4)If a person does not possess a photo-id he/she will not be allowed to vote. They will not be able to vote via provisional ballot.

It appears to me that this law will prevent more legitimate votes from being cast than fraudulant votes.
The facts surrounding Georgia's voter identification requirement cannot be disputed. Virtually every black legislator opposes the legislation, and most black lawmakers staged a walkout to protest its passage. Every major civil rights and minority advocacy group, including the NAACP, and many legal scholars, oppose the restriction; several have submitted comments to the Justice Department for consideration.



Additionally, it is surprisingly difficult to obtain a photo ID in Georgia. Though the state has 159 counties, there are only 56 places in which residents can obtain a driver's license, and not one is within the city limits of Atlanta or within the six counties that have the highest percentage of blacks.



There is also considerable evidence that photo ID requirements have a disproportionately negative impact on blacks and other minorities. The Justice Department found as recently as a decade ago that blacks in Louisiana were four to five times less likely than whites to have photo IDs.



Studies in other states indicate similar disparities. Consequently, the Michigan attorney general deemed a less restrictive voter identification bill unconstitutional, and the Federal Election Commission reported that photo identification requirements impose an undue and potentially discriminatory burden on citizens exercising their right to vote. Indeed, the Justice Department rejected a less restrictive Louisiana law in 1994 and 1995.



The law's proponents claim that it will help protect against voter fraud, but there appears to be no evidence to support this claim. Georgians already have to show one of 17 forms of ID to prove that they are who they say they are when they vote. Georgia's chief elections official, Secretary of State Cathy Cox, has said that not one instance of voter fraud relating to impersonation at the polls has been documented during her tenure.



Furthermore, while purporting to combat fraud, the Georgia law expressly excludes absentee ballots from the ID requirement. While all the evidence indicates that minorities are far less likely to vote absentee than whites, absentee balloting is the only form of voting in which there is documented fraud in Georgia. The exclusion of absentee ballots from the identification requirement raises serious questions about whether the anti-fraud justification for the law is purely pretextual.

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