This is an interesting article. This article goes along the theme of an earlier post about Katrina and the difference in opinions between certain communities.

BC vs. WSJ

In their quest for absolute political hegemony in the United States, some elements of the Right now dare to claim to share with blacks - if not common cause - common conclusions about the state of race relations in America. In a January 8, 2006 piece weighted with the full freight of centuries of white supremacist delusions, Wall Street Journal columnist James Taranto claimed that BC's January 5, 2006 Cover Story, "Katrina Study: Black Consensus, White Dispute," showed that BC and the WSJ agree that African Americans and whites see the world quite differently.

The BC story was based on a small slice of an important, soon to be released study by University of Chicago political scientist Michael Dawson. Dr. Dawson's team's study shows what every conscious Black person already knows: there is a yawning chasm between white and black perceptions of life, politics and opportunity in 21st Century America.

The United States has created wildly different realities for its black and white citizens. From the unequal availability of prenatal care and early childhood education, through ubiquitous and continuing racially segregated education and racially selective policies of crime control and mass imprisonment, through generations of housing and employment discrimination resulting in huge gaps in the accumulation of wealth between black and white families, to early graves occasioned by differential access to medical care for African Americans, it is clear that for centuries blacks and whites have lived in the same country but in different worlds. Perhaps we should be grateful that the esteemed editor of the Wall Street Journal's opinion page has deigned to acknowledge this fact. Or maybe not.



The WSJ's Taranto begins his January 8, 2005 OpinionJournal.com column thusly:

"BlackCommentator.com, which describes itself as a source of 'commentary, analysis and investigations on issues affecting African Americans' and has a harshly left-wing outlook, has an analysis of a poll on racial attitudes in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. BC.com's analysis is remarkably similar to our analysis, back in September, of a similar poll:"
Taranto goes on to quote BC at some length:

"Hurricane Katrina may mark a watershed in Black perceptions of the African American presence and prospects in the United States. 'It could very well shape this generation of young people in the same way that the assassinations of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King shaped our generation,' said Prof. Michael Dawson, of the University of Chicago whose team conducted a survey of Black and white reactions to the disaster between October 28 and November 17, 2005. 'It suggested to Blacks the utter lack of the liberal possibility in the United States,' said Dawson, the nation's premier Black social demographer.

"Huge majorities of Blacks agreed that the federal government's response would have been faster if the victims of Katrina in New Orleans had been white (84 percent), and that the Katrina experience shows there is a lesson to be learned about continued racial inequality (90 percent).

"But only 20 percent of whites believe that the federal government's failure to respond had anything to do with race, and only 38 percent think there is something to be learned about racial inequality from the Katrina disaster. . . .

"A Grand Canyon looms between the way African Americans and white people view the world, despite the fact that both groups are privy to the same information and images.

Same planet. Different worlds. Unintentionally, Taranto manages to prove both his and our point by misstating his very small area of agreement with us harsh leftists at BC. The poll he cites does indeed illuminate the same gulf between black and white views of the Katrina disaster as last week's BC cover story reported. What the Wall Street Journal agrees with BC about, and then only implicitly, is the existence of what we call the Black Consensus. But what Taranto offers by way of "analysis" is the very embodiment of racist arrogance. He writes:

"The truth about race that Katrina illuminates, then, is that, at least when it comes to matters involving race, black Americans are extreme political outliers. This is why attempts to play the race card are politically futile: They have to appeal not just to blacks, but to a substantial minority of whites. The Gallup poll results make clear that the current racial appeals are not resonating with whites."
Here we find exposed the delusional heart of whiteness. Taranto would dismiss African American opinions on race wholesale as "extreme," "outlying," and "playing the race card." For the Wall Street Journal and the chunk of America's ruling elite and wannabes it speaks for and to, black opinion fails the fundamental test of legitimacy simply because it differs from white opinion. Taranto goes on to supersize his ahistorical silliness.

"Why do blacks and whites have such divergent views on racial matters? We would argue that it is because of the course that racial policies have taken over the past 40 years..."
For Taranto, the difference between black and white views on race owes nothing to centuries of slavery, nothing to generations of de jure and de facto segregation. It has nothing to do with the criminalization of a generation of black youth by a racially selective crime control and prison industry, and is completely unrelated to the fact that African Americans pay more for the same services, are compensated less for the same education and job performance, live shorter lives with less medical care and are much more likely to experience poverty, especially as elders or children. For Taranto, nearly four hundred years and counting of black experience in America that often differs substantially from that of our white neighbors, is irrelevant. Instead, it all stems from white resentment at being "discriminated" against by affirmative action, and black sour grapes at not achieving "equality of results" in the imagined meritocracy that is the Wall Street Journal's America. The solution recommended by the editor of WSJ's opinion page is for white America to stay the course and wait out the Black Consensus until it's replaced by what he calls "more nuanced ideas about race" in a decade or two.

We suspect Mr. Taranto is in for a much longer wait than he expects. The Black Consensus that he would de-legitimize, wait out or wish away, and the distance between it and white opinion is an outcome of white supremacy as practiced by America's ruling circles and actively or passively endorsed by most of its white citizens. The gap between white and black opinion will only narrow if and to the extent that American whites learn to stop thinking like white people so that progress can be made toward equality of opportunity for everybody, a goal which Taranto also dismisses as impractical and unworthy.

In a sane, democratic and educated society, whose citizens are acquainted with their own history and served by a press and broadcast media which equips them with the information necessary to the exercise of responsible citizenship, septic nonsense like Taranto's would be swiftly laughed out of the public space. But this is 21st century America, where unelected pirates rule, the public airwaves are private property and the press is only free for those who own it.

Black public opinion does not have to be legitimized by whites. The Black Consensus is not the voice of extremists and outliers. It is the prophetic voice that calls all of us, of whatever color, class and creed to responsible citizenship and real humanity. African Americans knew, presumably with near unanimity that slavery was wrong before most of white America would admit it. Our black grandparents and great grandparents were certain that convict leasing, Jim Crow and lynching were abominations at the same time the Supreme Court and white public opinion ignored or endorsed these practices. Were our forbears right all along? Or only when whites agreed with them?

Today black public opinion opposes the war in Iraq by more than two to one. African Americans overwhelmingly favor full and equal funding for public education, ending the so-called drug war, mandating the right to organize and join unions, health care as a human right, and impeachment of the president. Are we extremists? Outliers? Or prophets? Time will tell.

We take this opportunity to acknowledge a debt of gratitude to Dr. Michael Dawson, the nation's foremost black demographer, for his pioneering research into black public opinion, black political thought, and the Black Consensus. The three questions in last week's BC cover story were lifted from a larger study of the state of public opinion in America's black communities that will be published very soon. Look out for it. If Taranto and the Wall Street Journal admire Dr. Dawson's science and BC's logical analysis, we find that interesting. But being "harsh leftists," we are not flattered.

Please send your correspondence to BC Associate Editor Bruce A. Dixon at Bruce.Dixon@blackcommentator.com.
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Maybe Constructive Feedback knows this guy?

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But what Taranto offers by way of "analysis" is the very embodiment of * racist arrogance. * He writes:

"The truth about race that Katrina illuminates, then, is that, at least when it comes to matters involving race, black Americans are extreme political outliers. This is why attempts to play the race card are politically futile: They have to appeal not just to blacks, but to a substantial minority of whites. The Gallup poll results make clear that the current racial appeals are not resonating with whites."

Here we find exposed the * delusional heart of whiteness. * Taranto would dismiss African American opinions on race wholesale as "extreme," "outlying," and "playing the race card."
The hell with the Wall Street Journal. I think Blackcommentator has a problem with African America.

If you disagree, with their opinion, you are cancelled.

PEACE

Jim Chester
This has to be the best op-ed I have read all year, albeit it is only the 13th of January.

Brother Bruce articulates all that was running through my mind as I was reading white folk commenting about Black folk on a white Blog this morning in regards to a report that was published in Seattle's paper yesterday about the difference in length and how often Black students are suspended and disciplined in School in relations to white students. The garbage that was coming out of these white folk mouth was simply amazing knowing that none of them have witness or experience any of that which they speak about and only know of that which they ascribe to the Black community by proxy; the proxy being the media in all its forms.

This statement by Brother Bruce exemplifies all that I am saying:

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Black public opinion does not have to be legitimized by whites. The Black Consensus is not the voice of extremists and outliers. It is the prophetic voice that calls all of us, of whatever color, class and creed to responsible citizenship and real humanity. African Americans knew, presumably with near unanimity that slavery was wrong before most of white America would admit it. Our black grandparents and great grandparents were certain that convict leasing, Jim Crow and lynching were abominations at the same time the Supreme Court and white public opinion ignored or endorsed these practices. Were our forbears right all along? Or only when whites agreed with them?


The white supremacists have been wrong and will continue to be wrong even with the white supremacist Negro minions repeating all that is believed by the White Supremacist.

The difference between Black and white ideology is such that white folk depend on Black agreement with their racist ideology and they love to lift up the bootlickers as proof that their racist ideology is right, Black men and women rarely if at all use white agreement to our advantage because we know the truth we stand on and with is the TRUTH and do not need white agreement to be the TRUTH..

Big ups to Brother Bruce and the BC, I will definitely pay for the commentary they offer...

Faheem....

Here is the Link to the Blog, read the comments after reading the racist inuendo by the Blogger himself.

http://www.soundpolitics.com/archives/005547.html
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Here we find exposed the * delusional heart of whiteness. * Taranto would dismiss African American opinions on race wholesale as "extreme," "outlying," and "playing the race card."
And, since highlighted, African-American views then are, in Taranto's view, illegitimate or rather can only be legitimated when and if White people (a substantial minority of them, at least) hold the same views/perspectives or otherwise agree with so-called "appeals" from Black Folk.

Racist Arrogance or no, it is the very imposition of and/or insistence on WHITE SUPREMACY. White Views RULE. They are the norm, the standard bearer - The Measuring Stick. Or so it is implied.

I really don't think Taranto, or anyone subject to decry Black People's supposed use of the Race Card, would dare declare that White people's views must somehow achieve the same type of substantial buy-in from African-Americans in order for their views to be "legitimate" or non-extreme or non-detrimental, non-illogical, etc. I doubt very seriously any one of "THEM" (Black, White or Polka Dot) would subject White Views to that type of Filtering Scrutiny and shift away from a Euro-CENTRIC, WHITE Is The Center Of The World and All Else/Others Revolve Around WHITE view to one centered, based and viewed from someone else's perspective, much less a BLACK CENTERED, African/African-American CENTERED point-of-view.

Now, it is the Height Of RACIST ARROGANCE for White People, generally (or anyone speaking from that WHITE IS RIGHT and the CENTER perspective), to act like "THEY" are credible, much less much more credible than Black People (generally) when it comes to discussions about race seeking to clarify the race/racial/race-relations landscape in America. The proposition itself is absurd. As I have said some time ago:
    How White people, who have historically been on the WRONG SIDE of *race* (issues), can all-of-a-sudden act as if it is Black people who somehow have it all wrong when it comes to *race* is, simply, amazing. It is a betrayal of most every form of common sense and is in complete defiance of on-going realities and a host of easily, historically observed facts, occurrences and developments.
America's History alone makes the overwhelming majority of White people suspect to begin with when "THEY" (and all those speaking from that same noted perspective) dare act like "THEY" are authorities on a subject "THEY" are overtly adverse to even when claiming to speak, confidently, on the very subject "THEY" show themselves estranged to.


With all that said, I continued to Wonder Out Loud:
    Since it is suggested that a lot of the "founding fathers" and "great" White figures in American History (e.g. Jefferson, Lincoln, etc.) were as racist as they were due to them being Product of Their Times, is it also the case that White people today are as racially tolerant as they proclaim to be as a mere Product (or manner of acceptable outward behavior and mere verbal professions) of Their Times?
What really burns me is that this was in an opinion piece in the so called * mainstream * (albeit conservative) Wall Street Journal.

In the Bush era all the racists and nuts are coming back out into broad day light.
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In the Bush era all the racists and nuts are coming back out into broad day light.
Wait a minute... This Broad Day Light, Out In The Open phenomenon, at the very least, dates back to Ronald Reagan.
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Since it is suggested that a lot of the "founding fathers" and "great" White figures in American History (e.g. Jefferson, Lincoln, etc.) were as racist as they were due to them being Product of Their Times, is it also the case that White people today are as racially tolerant as they proclaim to be as a mere Product (or manner of acceptable outward behavior and mere verbal professions) of Their Times?


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Interesting.

The reason why I posted the article about the realities of life in Pakistan after the earthquake and in Indoneisa after the tsunami is that these people don't have a GOVERNMENT who is planning on injecting BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars into their areas in order to make their people whole and have them to return to a state that closely approximates the national STANDARD OF LIVING.

For a country that gets hated upon so much by folks the USA sure knows how to "break a Nigga off some" without resorting to retribution.

I just pray that the people who are doing what ever they are doing to generate the funds that will be applied in the 9th ward don't stop what they are doing regardless of the attacks they face because of their practice of capitalism. fro
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For a country that gets hated upon so much by folks the USA sure knows how to "break a Nigga off".
FULL OF SHIT. WHITE SHIT at that.

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These people don't have a GOVERNMENT who is planning on injecting BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars into their areas in order to make their people whole and have them to return to a state that closely approximates the national STANDARD OF LIVING.
What the hell are you talking about?

What the hell is "The National Standard of Living", WHITE BOY?? And how does that BULLSHIT relate to the reality of things here in America?

Note: First, you will have to quantify what the "National Standard of Living (N-SoL)" is. Once you do that, with respect to whatever you're referencing (i.e. whatever it is that makes you call the SoL "national"), you will have to demonstrate how that is what is going on.

Don't PUNK out. Just substantiate your latest little WHITE BOY claims... OR... you know the move. STFU!!

Now, since I've resolved the issue over whether you're a PUNK vs. a PUSSY (you're both, that's clear)... Now, I'm trying to figure out whether you're "BLACK" or if you're more Polka Dot. You sure can't connect them. Oh, but you do love to rush, run and ramble on in DEFENSE and DEFERENCE.

YOUR TYPE was referred to explicitly. Always seeing THE WHITE as legitimate. Hmmm... With all that "Breaking Off", one would be lead to believe that this is WHITE'S PEOPLE country for them to do as they will and for "Niggas" to Buck Dance and rejoice for "catching a break" from the BRUTALITY that comprises the OVERWHELMING BULK of American History.
    sck Hell, don't them niggras know they could be gettin' their ass pounced?? Thoust Niggras Shalt Not Tempt Thy Master By Dare Displaying Hateration. tongue laugh
But, out of the kindness of their WHITE HEARTS, these White Folks, whom one called CONstructive Feedback categorically grants ownership and perpetual authority to, have, how do you say, "Chosen Not To Resort To Retribution."

You know, WHITE BOY... You're one funny, PUNK motherf@cka!! lol

Obviously, according to you, WHITE FOLKS (aka the USA by your implicit equation) have reason for "?RETRIBUTION?" and are, in essence, to be commended for their restraint even when "HATED ON" but Black Folk when and if THE OVERWHELMING BULK of American History (and the American present) gives every reason for Resentment, Rebellion and revolving/repeated reasons to pursue Retribution... with all those countless reasons and a persistant and still palpable National, USA Pasttime of being "HATED ON" (as listed in the snide White Supremacy laden remarks noted above)... AFTER ALL THAT... your self-proclaimed "BLACK" ass privileges WHITE via the USA by not even coming close to compliment the enormous restrain, resistance and composure Black people exhibit every day.

The fact that there isn't and haven't been Intifada after Intifada should SHUT YOUR LILLY ASS UP and caution your Casper Ass from trying to invert and transpose qualities from WHITE to BLACK and vice versa.

Not that it needs to be said... But ain't a damn thing interesting in the BULLSHIT you write. Matter of fact, it would be down right depressing if it wasn't so underwhelming amusing to see you lie prostrate, ready and willing to kiss those WHITE FEET.

No wonder why you don't have no mind... You're little snake ass don't even have a spine. No internal fortitude. Just an empty shell so easy dismissed and shot to hell.

But, go ahead... Work that shit out.
SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIM. Talking Points and repeated BS ain't about shit.

The National Standard of Living? WTF is that?
I want to see the numbers. The N-SoL = ____ ?

Now, for every person, every Black person referenced in your Line of BS ("...BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars into their areas in order to... return [Black people] to a state that closely approximates the national STANDARD OF LIVING...")---> I want actual numbers that will show what bringing those people in NOLA will amount to and where that is in "THE PLANNING."

Obviously, you've been fuckin' with some of that Crystal METH or something. In any event, you place a whole lot of undeserved faith and give undue credit with a BULLSHIT premise -- i.e. "return to a state that closely approximates the national STANDARD OF LIVING."
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