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THIS IS ONE OF MY PIECES ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED IN www.urbanvoicesonline.com ...thought I'd share!

SO-CALLED "NIGGA"???

"What up Nigger?" Oh, my bad!!!!!... As we say in the hip-hop generation---- this is the remix! I mean "what up my Nigga?" Are you insulted? If not, you should be! Is it that difficult to recognize the hatred in the word? Because I dropped the "er" and supplemented the letter "a," or "ah, " did I eradicate the negative undertone? Some would argue that it is acceptable because I am a person of color, others will argue that the word has evolved, but I beg to differ! Are we African-Americans to believe that the more we use this word amongst each other, the less insulting it becomes? Has the definition, the classification, and the characterization of this word changed? Did "NIGGER" truly evolve with time? If you answered, "yes" to this question, I bet our ancestors who hung from trees would disagree. I would also be willing to bet that brothers such as Malcolm X, Marcus Garvey, W.E.B DuBois, Thurgood Marshall, Martin Luther King Jr., Emmit Till, Amado Diallo, James Bryd, and soon to be legally lynched, Imam Jamil Al-Amin would disagree with you. Is the word an equal opportunity term? Is it "descriptively independent?" If so, why is its use prohibited to some, particularly our Anglo-Saxon counterparts? Do we as a people actually believe that a word so vulgar, so malicious --- a word that is the mother of all abhorrence, has been sterilized over time and stamped with the seal of racial approval?....Oh yeah, and uhhh, ...did I forget to mention that our children are listening? Does it matter? If the bulk of African-Americans are offended by being called a "NIGGER" by Whites, shouldn't we be just as offended when we are addressed as a "NIGGA" by our own? Are some African-Americans operating on a double standard? Are double standards acceptable when they are "for us " and endorsed "by us?" Where do African-Americans stand? Are we confused? No body said it better than the late Brother Malcolm, " I say it, and I say it again....you've been duped, ...you've been hoodwinked ...you've been bamboozled!" Is a "NIGGER" by any other name (NIGGA, NIGGAH) still a "NIGGER?????" You be the judge!
Mercedes Lipscomb
Albany, NY



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I had one post about how you as a black person feels when a white person(i.e.-someone like eminem) uses the word nigga-is it unacceptable for them to say it and acceptable for us to use it amongst ourselves.( I obviously know how you feel about that topic. wink) And I had another one further down about how a city council men in Baltimore was trying to get the word nigga banned.

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Have you ever read about the word Negus? I've heard that the word nigger, was derived from the word negus (African term meaning, king or emperor) Some of our enslaved people would still refer to prominent captured slaves as "negus". Ultimatley slave masters began making a mochery (just like with everything else black) of another piece of our culture. I've heard and read this many times. Im not sure how valid that is. But, if you google the word, you'll find alot of sites about this topic.
I can understand why white people using the N-word is unacceptable. However I'm confused about eminem's use of it.

Correct me if I'm wrong... from what I've heard eminem is hugely popular with the black population, so do I take it that his use of the word (by a white guy) is offensive only to some?

The power in anything is always its symbolism. What do people on AA think about banning the word? Necessary or over-the-top censorship?
ART-G...

You can find some views that address your question on the thread I linked to above.

Me? I have to wonder about most of those with a censorship mentality and why they think everyone should act and behave in lock-step. I wonder about the psychology of it. As far as whether it's necessary.... Necessary "FOR WHAT?" becomes the question.

Now if someone can lay out something coherent and logical that says exactly why such a banning would be necessary and what they believe it would be necessary for, as in what the use of the word is prohibiting, etc.

If the "Banners" can't articulate something in the neighborhood of what VOX did in that thread or beyond it, I'm afraid my thoughts about it being SUPERFICIAL, relatively speaking... hold.
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
ART-G...

You can find some views that address your question on the thread I linked to above.

Me? I have to wonder about most of those with a censorship mentality and why they think everyone should act and behave in lock-step. I wonder about the psychology of it. As far as whether it's necessary.... Necessary "FOR WHAT?" becomes the question.

Now if someone can lay out something coherent and logical that says exactly why such a banning would be necessary and what they believe it would be necessary for, as in what the use of the word is prohibiting, etc.

If the "Banners" can't articulate something in the neighborhood of what VOX did in that thread or beyond it, I'm afraid my thoughts about it being SUPERFICIAL, relatively speaking... hold.

thanks for the link Nmaginate, I posted before yours appeared.
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Originally posted by Texas Star:
Have you ever read about the word Negus? I've heard that the word nigger, was derived from the word negus (African term meaning, king or emperor) Some of our enslaved people would still refer to prominent captured slaves as "negus". Ultimatley slave masters began making a mochery (just like with everything else black) of another piece of our culture. I've heard and read this many times. Im not sure how valid that is. But, if you google the word, you'll find alot of sites about this topic.


And did you know that ISLAM stands for "I Self Lord and Master," and that ALLAH stands for the black man's Arm, Leg, Leg, Arm, Head?

"Negus," indeed. Just when you thought you've heard it all...
Well, TEX-STAR... I googled it and got this dictionary site that corrobates the definition you gave. The term is Ethiopian, by the way...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/negus

Nevertheless, the idea of whether the term "nigger" is derived from it is still up in the air. Whether it was or not is pretty irrelevant unless you can demonstrate the linguistic tie in a way that supercedes the Spanish word "Negro" which has always been the conventionally described origin of the word.

Also, you would have to supply some evidence of Ethiopians or whomever who would have been using the term "negus" in the New World at the time you say. There is a difference between speculation and such...

However, I still don't think that's reason enough to continue the use of the word which is obviously attributed to something else -- though it my counter part of the "banners" arguments.

Basically, even with the perfect scenario testifying to the full truth of what you wrote... I don't that makes a case for the continued use of the term. And clearly I have issues with those who want to categorically ban the term, though I will never outright defend it.
Tex Star, it is absolutely clear that the Latin "negro" was the term Europeans used to denote African peoples. There is no question about that. The move from that word to nigger is as crystal clear as can be.

And on top of what Nmaginate said, if this term for Ethiopian emperors were used in any fashion by any West African, are there any examples in recent history of that use? This is an example of one of these types of ideas that would be easily provable if true. There are enough people in this country, from West Africa AND from Ethiopia, who, if this story were true, would be heard using this term today, if they were using it back then. Unless there's some reason why they no longer would. It somehow made it to slaveships, but disappeared from the entire rest of Africa?

The negus/nigger connection is clearly false. Clearly.
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Originally posted by Vox:
Tex Star, it is absolutely clear that the Latin "negro" was the term Europeans used to denote African peoples. There is no question about that. The move from that word to nigger is as crystal clear as can be.

And on top of what Nmaginate said, if this term for Ethiopian emperors were used in any fashion by any West African, are there any examples in recent history of that use? This is an example of one of these types of ideas that would be easily provable if true. There are enough people in this country, from West Africa AND from Ethiopia, who, if this story were true, would be heard using this term today, if they were using it back then. Unless there's some reason why they no longer would. It somehow made it to slaveships, but disappeared from the entire rest of Africa?

The negus/nigger connection is clearly false. Clearly.

Latin for black (as in the color) is niger.

Also, the etymology from the Oxford English Dictionary states:
NEGRO
[< Spanish negro black person [15th cent.; 1207 as adjective in sense ˜black') or Portuguese negro black person [1460; end of 13th cent. as adjective in sense ˜black') < classical Latin niger black [see NIGER n.1). Cf. French nègre NEGER n., Italian negro [1532 as adjective with reference to race; attested earlier in sense ˜black' [13th cent.)). Cf. slightly earlier NIGRO n. [and a.).]
OED for negus:
NEGUS
[< Amharic n{schwa}gus king < näggäs- to become a king [as the title of the Ethiopian emperor also as n{schwa}gusä nägäst, lit. ˜king of kings'). Cf. French négus [1556 in Middle French as negus; rare before 18th cent.).]

(The title of) a king of Ethiopia or of a province or kingdom within Ethiopia; spec. (the title of) the supreme ruler of Ethiopia; the Ethiopian emperor.
SistahSouljah, that post was a reference to the 5 Percenters. They believe that the "black man is God," and that the word Allah is an acronym that stands for "Arm, Leg, Leg, Arm Head," which represents the "complete circle" or somesuch, and that "Islam" stands for 'I Self Lord and Master." In other words, there is no real God above; God is the black man.

The sarcasm in my post is directed at that notion, and was not intended as a slight against Islam, or against God. Since you've converted to Islam, I gather you would agree with me as to the silliness of the 5 Percent Islamic "acronyms." If sorry if you didn't get what I meant.
Vox,

I've heard vaguely of the 5 percenters but I haven't really looked into it. In my opinion, any so called "Islamic" group, including that one and the followers of Farrakhan, are a disgrace to true Islam and I take great offense at what they do. But that's just me.

Thanks for clarifying. I didn't mean to call you an ass. I guess I'm sensitive on the subject. Plus people like JanesT who like to make snide remarks about Islam and Allah out of ignorance really rock my nerves.

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You can think of more shameful things than the fact that gangs of hundreds of black men were gang-raping, robbing and murdering innocent black victims of a hurricane during their most vulnerable time of need, not to mention shooting at rescuers who were trying to rescue black people, and delaying the rescues to where many more died than needed be?

At least I didn't hear about any folks getting their heads cut off, in allah's name of course, but I could be wrong.

Please sistah, do tell.


And then this...

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Never mentioned its importance. Just think it was extremely shameful.

Never expressed any surprise either.

So, I guess thats all there was to your little snide remark earlier.

Have a nice day, if allah allows that of course.



So you can see my frustration...but it's all good.

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