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Yup, ten whole days, and diversity training. He told the student, to sit down Nigga, not using the racially insensitive word NIGGER he said NIGGA as you will see in the story.

Can you lend a Nigga a pencil! This is the teacher who teaches the English with honors class.

NIGGA
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There are Negroes who will never fight for freedom. There are Negroes who will seek profit for themselves from the struggle. There are even some Negroes who will cooperate with the oppressors. The hammer blows of discrimination, poverty, and segregation must warp and corrupt some. No one can pretend that because a people may be oppressed, every individual member is virtuous and worthy. Martin Luther King

More to come later! Your Brother Faheem
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Valley Traditional High School is in the middle of a racial controversy. A teacher used a racial epithet towards a student. The word is only six letters long but the impact is far reaching.

We do want to warn you that some of the language in this story is strong and may offend some people, but since this story is not just about the "n" word it's also about the pronunciation, we've decided to leave it in the story for you to decide.
    Murphy: "What did he say to you specifically?"

    Chavers: "Sit down, nigger."
Keysean Chavers is a freshman at Valley, a Boy Scout, a football player, a member of the ROTC, an honor roll student. He was hanging around his teacher's classroom door in December. The teacher, Paul Dawson, told him to sit down. Dawson says Keysean used the word first.

"I was just kind of stunned for a second and I said, 'Well then, get away from the door, niggaz.' I repeated the same insult because that was sort of what I was trained to do." The school district says that's not what they trained Dawson to do. "He tried to say I said it and I didn't say it and no one else in the class said I said it, because I didn't," says Keysean.

Documents from the school investigation show that several of the students interviewed from Valley did not hear Keysean say the "n" word first. Dawson says students use the slang version of the word at Valley High School all the time. He says "nigger" is a racial slur but says students use "nigga" as often as they say "dude" or "hey, man." Dawson says as much as he doesn't like the word, he still used the slang version to feel more comfortable with black students. "Why is this word used so frequently? So I just don't understand it and I'm trying to understand it," Dawson says. "I need help."
    Murphy: "What kind of example are you setting for your students if you are using a word that you don't want them to use?"

    Dawson: "Upon reflection, that's not good."
Dawson was suspended for 10 days without pay from January 9 to January 23 and has to go to diversity training. He says he's learned from this and hopes others think twice before using the epithet. "I will never say any form of nigga. I'm cured of that."

Dawson says he is sorry for the way things were handled, but Keysean says he is not looking for any apologies. "Apologizing isn't going to change the fact that it happened and he's not been punished," he says. What constitutes punishment in Keysean's mind? "Him not having his job anymore."

Dawson says he wants there to be a steadfast policy against using the word. Right now it is dealt with on a case-by-case basis. Keysean is still in Paul Dawson's classroom.

Dawson has been with the district for 20 years. As part of our investigation we found that English teacher Paul Dawson was suspended in 1994, back when he worked at southern high school. According to documents, Dawson directed a student to place a sign on another students back that said, "I am gay." Afterwards, he was assigned to non-instructional duties pending the investigation and he was not supposed to return to Southern High School. The next day he ignored the order and went to Southern anyway. Shortly afterwards, Dawson refused to turn in his grade book to investigators. Dawson was suspended for five days without pay and had to go through an employee assistance program. Dawson also had a letter of reprimand that same year for selling candy to his students.

The school district says even with this most recent incident of him using the word "nigga" toward a student, this veteran teacher will get to keep his job. "It's understandable the frustration and the anger about a situation like this and we sincerely apologize because it is not our mode of operation, but we do believe that we have sent a very strong message," says Jefferson County Public Schools spokesperson Lauren Roberts.

Dawson says he will appeal his 10-day suspension to try and get it off his record. He did not want to talk about his past suspension when we met with him. His latest suspension is the longest suspension the district has ever given a teacher.

Dawson will go before district administrators at the end of the month to appeal his unpaid suspension.



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"It's understandable the frustration and the anger about a situation like this and we sincerely apologize because it is not our mode of operation, but we do believe that we have sent a very strong message," says Jefferson County Public Schools spokesperson Lauren Roberts.---article

This the message literally 'sent' to the public by the school district's afministration.

Spokespersons deliver the message of those responsible for the subject being addressed.

Here again, we are lookiing at the parents who elect this administration to run their schools.

Clearly, the children know this language is wrong. Clearly, the teacher knows the language is wrong. Clearly, the administration knnows this language is wrong.

They all react to the wrongness AFTER someone yells 'Foul!'

That school district operates under the direct licensing and supervision of a State agency.

What a mess.


PEACE

Jim Chester
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Let me play Murphy...
    Murphy [Nmag]: What kind of shit is this: He said it first??
    So you're on the same level as the student?

    Dawson: That's how I was [potty] trained.
    I need help. [I just sh*t in my pants.]


lol laugh lol

I like your version better. It's more honest.

I am amazed that an grown, educated man thought he was going to make it all better with the ages old Kindergardner defense of "He started it!"

I don't know what's worse, the fact that he said that to a student or his lame assed attempt at defending it.
I personally dont see why we are surprised.....

Just think, now this kid has to sit in this mans honors class.......and pull a grade. (it happens everyday) Seems like no matter what.....the kid loses, and he knows this..

But then again.....this is life, and it amazes me how some blacks/AAs move on in life, without seeing this or caring.
It's actually fairly obvious what the most probable situation was. "Nigga" is an widely used slang word amongst non-racist teenagers, I know because I am a teenager. I for one do not have any trouble believing that this word is in frequent use by students in the class in question. In that case, to use the word in a mocking manner, to critique the language which is often coupled with a specific attitude, one which requires teachers to have to remind students to do simple tasks like sitting down at an appropriate time, (the kid didn't seem stupid from the information given, ergo an attitude of indifference), would be perfectly normal. It would be very much like a situation where a student upon skipping a test because of sheer lack of interest says: "I forgot there was a test that day guy," and a teacher responds "Too bad, you get a zero... guy."

For those pedants among you who would quibble the point that the student did not say the word before the teacher did, thus attempting to negate the argument of sarcastic response in a disciplinary fashion, let me remind you that this is slang we are discussing. Imagine people who say "nigga" as often as some people say "like," then think about the probability that the student said it before entering into conversation with the teacher, thus provoking comment.

To draw a parallel to slang, the word "juke" used to be slang meaning to have sex, thus the word "jukebox" was come upon as they were present in, to put it bluntly, whorehouses. For those of you who have their heads up their asses, (you don't know who you are), I think i'll start a mini-scandal about the word jukebox.
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The Slang Parallel
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Friend: Wow, you have a jukebox in your house? I wish I had one.
Me: (Incensed) DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WORD MEANS!
Friend: umm....
Me: YOU JUST SAID I LIVED IN A WHOREHOUSE!
Friend: *stunned silence*

the sarcasm continues...
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The Second Mimic Since Breakfast
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Me: If you are all that concerned about the language, care, first of all, that "AA" kids are using the term, and secondly about a culture where a teacher has to mimic his students [potty] language to grab their attention for a few seconds.

Misc. Angry Person: yaddayadda poor kid yaddayadda hearsay always reliable (implied) yaddayadda. [I wish I could sh*t my pants, but my heads too far up my ass].

Me: *stunned silence*

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Space/Time? Einstein's Got Nothing On Me
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Misc Angry Person: They reacted after someone cried foul. If someone else had have cried foul earlier, then they... hold on a second...

Me: *stunned silence*

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The Black Helicopters, Roswell, and You
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Misc Angry Person: If a subordinate does something wrong, it PROVES all the leadership above that position also is doing the same thing wrong. (Ill defined link suggesting racist government policies).

Me: *stunned silence*

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It isn't hard to see what you expected to see, especially if that's all you're looking for - Anonymous
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It would be very much like a situation where a student upon skipping a test because of sheer lack of interest says: "I forgot there was a test that day guy," and a teacher responds "Too bad, you get a zero... guy."
"GUY" and "Ni@@a" aren't comparable and no teacher with a grasp of LANGUAGE and common sense, much less a critiquing, discriminating grasp, would be so stupid as to view the two as comparable for discipline or otherwise.

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For those pedants among you who would quibble the point that the student did not say the word before the teacher did...
So, I guess you're given to the idiotic idea that the teacher is somehow justified when/if "The student said it first!"

Unreal...

Ni@@a is not just another word in the English language. It's not comparable to "guy" or "like", slang or not.
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the word "juke" used to be slang meaning to have sex,
No one is ignorant of the meaning or connotation of Ni@@a when said in a condescending manner or when trying to be snide or sly or sarcastic, much less when its used in a teacher-student relationship.

This was very clear:
MURPHY [Nmag]: What kind of shit is this: He said it first??
So you're on the same level as the student?


The teacher definitely wasn't ignorant and Ni@@a is nowhere near as archiac as "jukebox" = whorehouse.

Try again...
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Controversial Teacher Reassigned

(LOUISVILLE, Feb. 6th, 2006) A Louisville high school drama teacher was escorted out of school Monday as Jefferson County Public School officials investigate whether or not he should lose his job. In December Paul Dawson called a student the "N-word" after the student used the word with him. Dawson was suspended for 10 days in January from Valley Traditional High...

On Monday, Dawson hoped students would join him in taking a stand with a walkout...
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Dawson said in a written statement that the student first used the word toward him and [said] "[I] responded with the same disrespectful term that he hurled my way. I said: 'Well then, niggah, you get away from my window.' "

...The student, whose name was not released, denied to school officials that he used the term first. He alleged that Dawson said it while trying to get him to sit down. District investigators interviewed several witnesses, who did not confirm Dawson's allegation about the student, who wasn't disciplined.

Officials said the teacher's use of the word in any circumstance was a serious offense.

"It's insensitive, inappropriate language, and it's conduct unbecoming a teacher," district spokeswoman Lauren Roberts said.

...Several Valley High students said yesterday that the word often is used among black students, and sometimes whites, as a term of affection. But they were surprised that a teacher had said it.

"I thought it was very offensive," said Shareka Morrow, 17, who heard about the incident secondhand. "If you're white, you don't say it."

Ray Underwood, 18, another black student, said Dawson is a good teacher who "likes rappin' " and using urban slang and most likely did not "try to hurt feelings."

Ricky Jones, chairman of the Department of Pan-African Studies at the University of Louisville, said some African Americans view the word "nigger" as a derogatory term and "niggah" as a term of affection.

But the latter can be offensive to some, and there's heated debate about whether the prevalence of the term in any form is acceptable, he said. Some argue its use by blacks helps negate the word's derogatory power.

But few condone its use by white people, Jones said -- especially by adults who should fully understand the word's historical context.

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AI...02030403/1008/NEWS01
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Originally posted by Jaco:
"Nigga" is an widely used slang word amongst non-racist teenagers, I know because I am a teenager.


Yeah, ok....

Youre making this sound as though its ok for you and your (non racist, whatever that means) friends to use this word.

Think again!!!

I dont use it, and you or this teacher using this word, is out of line!!!
Any english teacher knows that "LANGUAGE" is a dynamic syntax, and also that ideas are the essence of communication. Put simply, that means that whatever the two parties involved in conversation perceive the meaning of a word to be, that's what the word means in that conversation.

If both parties concieve "nigga" as an informal form of address, then that's what it means in that conversation, DESPITE ANY OUTSIDERS OPINION!

This means that the student saying "nigga" first would justify the teacher saying it because THE WORD WOULD HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MEANING IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT CONVERSATION! The english teacher didn't have to be ignorant of the meaning of the n-word to communicate a completely different meaning of the same word.

So, the final summation.
1) The student, when using this word, did not mean it as a racist remark.
2) If the above is true, and the student used the word in the presence of the teacher, this means there is a high probability that the word, when used by a teacher, ALSO was not racist. If offense was meant (as is probable) it was aimed at the student's vocabulary NOT at his ethnic background.

QED, if you somehow disagree with anything I've said, you're having trouble with connecting two very basic syllogisms.

To clear the record, I do not disagree with the teachers punishment, it was completely nessecary to prevent actual racial discrimination from occuring. You will notice the word probability scattered throughout both posts, because I do recognise there could have been racist intent. My main point is that there probably wasn't, and people should recognise that even though he has to be punished.

What I do have some trouble with, is the tendency for people to cry wolf at any sign of possible discrimination (racist, sexist, you name it). It is completely natural that as people become less bigoted, they will unwittingly make remarks they do not realise the full portent of. To condemn them for this is literally retarded (in the sense of social growth). Show some common sense people, you have no idea where the students are coming from when they say "nigga," but you have the experience to realise innapropiate words become slang. Ask a dog breeder what "bitch" means, ask an extremely elderly farmer what "ass" means. "Nigga" is commonly used slang, whether you like it or not. Deal with it and adjust your perceptions of the word when you used in that context. You had to be flexible to get your head where it was in the first place, surely you wriggle around a little to be, at minimum, understanding of the fact.

On a personal note, Nmaginate, you score 0 for reader comprehension. The word jukebox never has meant whorehouse, but in the sense of the analogy given, could be misconstrued as such by an illogical and over-sensitive person. Way to completely miss the point in a manner that provided a telling example to support it. Yes the meaning of the word "juke" has become archaic to most, just as the word "nigga" has become archaic to some.

**EDIT: Response to pst**

In response to qty's post before this, all I was saying was that people use this word. Nowhere did I say I used it, I only stated that I was in an environment to know that people did use it. You're right up there with Nmaginate on the reader comprehension. Non racist means not racist, there is no way to make it any more clear.

**Edit: keep sneaking extra posts in on me**

Regarding the article psted by NMaginate after his piece responding to my initial post.

'Ray Underwood, 18, another black student, said Dawson is a good teacher who "likes rappin' " and using urban slang and most likely did not "try to hurt feelings."'

The general consensus is that its wrong because only black people are allowed to use the n-word. That is a load of crap. If people look at the color of someone's skin before deciding whether to take offense at a remark, all it shows is that they are at least as racist, and from the comment made regarding the teachers intent, probably more so than the teacher. Don't feed me that crap, bigotry is bigotry. People who accept this as fair and unbiased, "the higher moral ground" so to speak, are hypocrites plain and simple, only because it is obvious this language is in use by the student involved and his peers.

For those who have not yet responded, I apologise for coming off as rude, and ask that you thouroughly read and consider my point of view with a degree of rationality before responding. I always welcome reasonable discussion.
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quote:
Originally posted by qty226:
Jaco

My reading comprehension skills are air tight...so drop the sarcasm.

I live in a white community, and i do not hear, 'non blacks' using this word.

Out of everything that you said.........it boils down to this, justification.

I hear whites call each other, redneck, cracka, etc. Should i therefore use these terms when addressing another black person?

"Yo redneck, Yo cracka".

Doesnt make much sense huh?

The bottom line is, bigotry, and racism is still running rampant in this country.....and no matter what, its a word........that YOU dont have to use.
Air tight? You read that post and thought I used the n-word in everyday conversation and that I condoned its use as a racist term discribing blacks (or in any situation). All I did in my post was offer the point of view that the teacher probably was not a racist. You might have a leak somewhere.

I don't object to people who disagree with using the n-word, in fact I agree with them. What I disagree with is the point of view, first of all that the teacher was being racist, when it seems like he was just trying to make a connection with a kid who wasn't listening. I object to this, frankly because it's insulting to be labelled a racist, more insulting from my point of view, than any racial profiling. I think this way because racial profiling is completely meaningless while being labelled a racist portrays you as a complete dumbass. If the teacher in question was not being racist then he is probably extremely irritated to the point of exasperation at being known as such, and this leads right into my next point. The double standard possessed by many people (excluding qty as she has pointed out), is that it's ok to use the n-word if you are AA and racist if you aren't. As I've said before, if you look at someones skin color to decide whether to take offense at something, you are a racist, plain and simple. If you condone this, you're a racist. If you label someone without proper knowledge, then you're a bigot. If you object to racism but condone blacks using the n-word while condemning whites, then you are a bigot AND a hypocrite.

And one last repartee, before someone else posts...

"The bottom line is, bigotry, and racism is still running rampant in this country.....and no matter what, its a word........that YOU dont have to use."

I'm Canadian.
Jaco, while it would be difficult to disagree that words used in a conversation between two people carries the meaning as understood by the two people conversing, the impact of their language, the words they are using reaches beyond those two. This can be demonstrated by one not being able to speak about a bomb on an airplane. Surely if I turned to a friend on a plane and said "this song I am listening to is the "bomb" he would know what I mean but how will it be perceived by others, should they adjust to the popular use of the word by Black folk or should I have chosen a better word considering the time and place of my comments. Does it matter that the word has a completely different meaning based on the context in which it was used by me while speaking with a friend, of course not, I know better and popular culture is no excuse.
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Put simply, that means that whatever the two parties involved in conversation perceive the meaning of a word to be, that's what the word means in that conversation.

If both parties concieve "nigga" as an informal form of address, then that's what it means in that conversation, DESPITE ANY OUTSIDERS OPINION!
Maybe you ought to think about your futile attempts at logic before you publish it.

Obviously, the meaning "in that conversation" has everything to do with how the "meaning" was received by the student. No matter how the student used the word, the meaning when thrown back at the student, given the way English works, need not be the same. And clearly the student didn't perceive or conceive or receive it as the same.

So, again, think before you throw soft-balls of illogic around. Obviously "both parties" were not cool with the teachers use of the term. Tone, non-verbals and, yes, sarcasm in the English language alters the meaning of words.

"You are so stupid!" lol
"You are so STUPID!!!" upset

Frankly, there is no way in a Two-Way Conversation (which you pretend to be talking) that you can discount how the student perceived, conceived and received the teachers statement. And speaking about READING COMPREHENSION:

District investigators interviewed several witnesses, who did not confirm Dawson's allegation about the student...

So, not only are you trying to forward the childish premise of the teacher ("He Said It First!") but you're trying to argue in support of his idiotic defense and the statement itself when there is nothing but the teachers questionable statement to go on.

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On a personal note, Nmaginate, you score 0 for reader comprehension.

...Yes the meaning of the word "juke" has become archaic to most, just as the word "nigga" has become archaic to some.
Like I said, there is NO COMPARISON and there is little that's "archaic" about the meaning of the N-Word particularly with an English teacher who is, as you suggest, suppose to know something about "LANGUAGE."

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To clear the record, I do not disagree with the teachers punishment, it was completely nessecary to prevent actual racial discrimination from occuring.
When you know what the hell you're talking about then come back with your half-cocked ideas.

And "probability" won't save you. As noted above, you yourself have had to admit that you're not making proper, equivalent comparisons. Like I said:
No one is ignorant of the meaning or connotation of Ni@@a when said in a condescending manner or when trying to be snide or sly or sarcastic, much less when its used in a teacher-student relationship.

The teacher said:
"[I] responded with the same disrespectful term that he hurled my way."

The teacher called the term DISRESPECTFUL. Now what is the basis for your comments here?
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So, the final summation.
1) The student, when using this word, did not mean it as a racist remark.
2) If the above is true, and the student used the word in the presence of the teacher, this means there is a high probability that the word, when used by a teacher, ALSO was not racist. If offense was meant (as is probable) it was aimed at the student's vocabulary NOT at his ethnic background.
Why, even when presented with what the teacher, himself, said about the use of the term... WHY ARE YOU talking about what it "probably" meant or was used for?

In either event, using the term WITH A KNOWN VALUE of having a different perceived meaning and acceptability depending on the race of the sender... In any event, an English teacher, an adult, a conscious, thinking individual could easily think of other ways to make a teaching moment (if that was his intent) out of the incident without traversing the lunacy of using a forbidden term. A KNOWN FORBIDDEN TERM!

And, considering how this is the hip-hop era and how the term was supposedly used frequently AMONG THE STUDENTS... the teacher had ample time and reason to teach about the term. Instead, he said some BS like this:
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Dawson says students use the slang version of the word at Valley High School all the time. He says "nigger" is a racial slur but says students use "nigga" as often as they say "dude" or "hey, man." Dawson says as much as he doesn't like the word, he still used the slang version to feel more comfortable with black students. "Why is this word used so frequently? So I just don't understand it and I'm trying to understand it," Dawson says. "I need help."
Basically, the revelation there is that he DID NOT feel comfortable [enough] around Blacks, for whatever reason. Reasons that obviously had a lot to do with his idoitic use of the term and his equally idiotic defense for his use of it.
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The general consensus is that its wrong because only black people are allowed to use the n-word. That is a load of crap. If people look at the color of someone's skin before deciding whether to take offense at a remark, all it shows is that they are at least as racist, and from the comment made regarding the teachers intent, probably more so than the teacher. Don't feed me that crap, bigotry is bigotry.
And that's what caused the teacher to be in the position he's in. Idiotic EQUIVOCATING and DECONTEXTUALIZING both the meaning and the life of the word.

Just as racist = JUST AS DUMB!!

Even there, there is NO COMPARISON. Somehow, you find it hard to compare like things. And none of this is contingent on it being acceptable to you.

Bigotry is Bigotry is IGNORANCE is IGNORANCE.
That stuff might go for logic where you come from but that BS isn't working here. You can't strip a word of it's CONTEXT, history or anything else that has developed with the life of the word, no matter how much it flies against your idiotic ABSTRACT Abstractions.

Yes, Bigotry Is Bigotry in the ABSTRACT, huh?
Now, let's see you demonstrate how the two are comparable in ACTUALITY. So, yes, let's here you detail how the two are equally or similarly "bigoted" in real life use, impact and effect.
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Ni@@a is not just another word in the English language. It's not comparable to "guy" or "like", slang or not.

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You can't strip a word of it's CONTEXT, history or anything else that has developed with the life of the word, no matter how much it flies against your idiotic ABSTRACT Abstractions.


ek *faints*... and Brotha you know EXACTLY why. I told ya ass about that back in '05! cabbage appl bsm laugh
Frenchy, you ain't told me schitz!!

We can go back to 2005 and you'll still come up short. RHETORIC ain't schitz, Frenchy. Wait, let me rephrase that: Your RHETORIC from 2005 wasn't bout schitz!

So I maintain the same then as I do now. Someone White saying "Ni@@a", especially how this teacher went about saying it, given the reasons he expressed, is a CONTEXTUAL situation and, two, the way the word is received is paramount. There is a HISTORY there and a way the life of the word has developed especially in those types of relationships.

So, go ahead, and tell what your broke reasoning conveyed to me in 2005. You certainly had nothing to say about CONTEXT then. Yours, too, was an ABSTRACTION pretty much on the same idiotic order (idiotic ABSOLUTE order) as JACO's "Bigotry is Bigotry" non-thinking.

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