Tamir Rice shooting: Call for US replica gun law change

Tamir Rice, the 12-year-old boy shot dead by police officers in the US city of Cleveland - 23 November 2014Tamir Rice was shot by police on Saturday afternoon and died in hospital early on Sunday morning

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The fatal shooting by US police of a 12-year-old boy brandishing a replica gun in a playground has prompted calls for the guns to be more clearly marked.

Tamir Rice was shot twice by police in Cleveland after he allegedly failed to obey an order to raise his hands.

The city's police chief said it was a "split second" decision and the gun was indistinguishable from a real firearm.

A local politician says she intends to introduce legislation forcing fake guns sold in Ohio to be brightly coloured.

An official investigation is under way and both police officers involved have been placed on administrative leave.

A lawyer representing the boy's family said they would be carrying out their own investigation into what happened.

A recording reveals the 911 caller did not know if the weapon was real

Ohio State Representative Alicia Reece said a new law regulating replica guns was needed in order to "prevent future deadly confrontations".

The legislation would require all BB guns, air rifles and "airsoft" guns sold in Ohio to be brightly coloured or have prominent fluorescent strips.

Police said the orange safety indicator on the replica gun Tamir Rice was carrying, which resembled a semi-automatic pistol, had been removed.

Cleveland police chief Calvin Williams said his force would "gain knowledge" from the tragedy and be "proactive and diligent" in teaching children about the dangers of firearms "whether they are real or fake".

"Guns are not toys and the replica in this instance was indistinguishable from that of a real firearm," he added.

Deputy police chief Ed Tomba said one of the two officers involved shot the boy after he pulled the gun from the waistband of his trousers.

He did not make any verbal threats nor point the gun towards the officers, the police added.

Tamir Rice had a "baby face" according to his family's lawyer Timothy Kucharski

Surveillance video of the shooting is "very clear" about what happened, Mr Tomba said, adding it would not be made public at this stage.

He said the officer who fired the shots was "distraught".

"Our officers at times are required to make critical decisions in a split second," Mr Williams told reporters. "Unfortunately this is one of those times."

911 call

An audio recording of the 911 emergency call made by the man who reported the incident reveals he said the pistol was "probably a fake" on two occasions, before adding he was not sure whether it was "real or not".

But Jeff Follmer, president of the Cleveland police association, said the two officers at the scene were not told about the caller's comments.

One of the officers involved was in his first year on the local force, the other had more than 10 years of experience.

Tamir Rice's father, Gregory Henderson, said that police should have used a stun gun - or Taser - to subdue his son rather than shoot him.

"Why not Tase him?" he was quoted as asking by Cleveland.com. "[They] shot him twice, not once, and at the end of the day you all don't shoot for the legs, you shoot for the upper body," he said.

Mr Henderson said Tamir was a "respectful young man" who "minded his elders", adding that it was a mystery to him why his son allegedly failed to follow police orders.

The BB gun taken from the 12-year old shot by Cleveland police [23 November 2014)The replica "airsoft" handgun that was taken from Tamir Rice by the Cleveland police officers at the scene

Timothy Kucharski, a lawyer for Tamir's family, told the BBC he would be conducting an investigation, in "parallel" to the police, in order to establish exactly what happened.

"If in fact we determine that Tamir's rights are violated, we will proceed with civil action against the police," he said.

Cleveland's police force has come under increased scrutiny in recent years, most notably over a high-profile car chase in 2012 that ended with two deaths and officers firing 137 shots.

On Monday, hacker collective Anonymous said it had forced Cleveland's city website offline in response to the shooting.

City spokesman Daniel Ball confirmed the site was down and said staff were adding extra security measures before restoring the website.

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THERE IS A RACE WAR ON AFRICAN AMERICANS

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA

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12 years old.  That's beyond description.  White folks you are bat shit crazy over the Africans brought into this "country". Tamir had just 4,380 days of life.  No Black man does to your children what you do to ours.  You Europeans are going straight to Hell.  When you get there, may everything you encounter be BLACK.

 

At the rate you're going you're going to be at the delivery rooms shooting African babies upon arrival because the afterbirth scared the shit out of you. There's is something extremely mentally deranged about all of you.  Must have been the god damn Caves and Dogs.

 

BOOM mofos!!

Originally Posted by Momentum:

That kid must had some really stupid and clueless ass parents!

 

I had replica airsoft guns, would buy the and just shoot my friends around the our little enclave. 

 

We were really interested in guns at that age.

 

But they weren't perfect replicas to the extent you couldn't tell they weren't replicas.

 

I wonder where the boy got the gun, did he ask his parents? Did he have a job and brought it?

 

I was 14 when I had my airsoft gun and I brought it using a summer job. 

Last edited by GoodMan
Originally Posted by Momentum:

That kid must had some really stupid and clueless ass parents!

 

Airsoft guns can cost $100+ a pop. I know because my nephew was working  me for one. I knew he was 12 and already saw he had no discipline in not pointing a BB gun. If a youngster is not trained how to handle this kind of toy gun, he should not be given one. And not give the cop a free pass but gotta agree, his parents should have taught him how to use it and never, never take it out in public. That is crazy especially once you’ve seen one.

Originally Posted by GoodMan:
Originally Posted by Momentum:

That kid must had some really stupid and clueless ass parents!

 

I had replica airsoft guns, would buy the and just shoot my friends around the our little enclave. 

 

We were really interested in guns at that age.

 

But they weren't perfect replicas to the extent you couldn't tell they weren't replicas.

 

I wonder where the boy got the gun, did he ask his parents? Did he have a job and brought it?

 

I was 14 when I had my airsoft gun and I brought it using a summer job. 

I grew up with guns, often went hunting with my dad, cousins, uncles, aunts, but my parents would damn near whoop my ass if I went running up and down the street with a gun like that and especially how things are now. I just don't get it sometimes why many of us overlook how irresponsible some parents are just because they are black.

 

But those damn cops who killed that kid need to be punished somehow. If that kid was white I'm sure those cops would have been more careful about discharging their guns. We have seen cops take much more carefulness with armed demented white men and do not shoot and kill but patiently disarm the person. But black kids do not get the benefit of the doubt. That kid's parents don't know the environment we are in?

Originally Posted by Momentum:
 

I grew up with guns, often went hunting with my dad, cousins, uncles, aunts, but my parents would damn near whoop my ass if I went running up and down the street with a gun like that and especially how things are now. I just don't get it sometimes why many of us overlook how irresponsible some parents are just because they are black.

 

But those damn cops who killed that kid need to be punished somehow. If that kid was white I'm sure those cops would have been more careful about discharging their guns. We have seen cops take much more carefulness with armed demented white men and do not shoot and kill but patiently disarm the person. But black kids do not get the benefit of the doubt. That kid's parents don't know the environment we are in?

 

I agree, the parents or some other adult would have to had to buy it for the boy and if they did, it's fucking stupid. 

 

Real stupid.

 

Because I remember when I had my gun I didn't even take it out in public and brandish it.

 

That boy was running around at the playgrounds shooting at kids and pretty sure cops were like

 

"This little boy got a gun and about to shoot these kids!"

 

And that was all it took for them to put bullets in him.

 

And it seems like the parents didn't educate the boy on how to deal with the police, he had a gun, they say stop and they say he didn't stop and they shot him... (or they were just saying that).

 

Like I don't know, this is just stupid to be honest with you. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
Originally Posted by Momentum:

That kid must had some really stupid and clueless ass parents!

 

Airsoft guns can cost $100+ a pop. I know because my nephew was working  me for one. I knew he was 12 and already saw he had no discipline in not pointing a BB gun. If a youngster is not trained how to handle this kind of toy gun, he should not be given one. And not give the cop a free pass but gotta agree, his parents should have taught him how to use it and never, never take it out in public. That is crazy especially once you’ve seen one.

Yeah I'm hip I've seen those guns and they do look real and you are absolutely right, I've been shot with a bb gun a couple times by stupid ass boys in the hood and to be honest boys do reckless stuff growing up, they think its funny but a pellet gun is an air gun and will penetrate and kill. No kid should be running up and down the street with any sort of gun like that. Where I grew up BB and pellet guns were common and plenty squirrels and birds got killed for sport and it does look cruel to look out your living room window watching a kid shoot at a defenseless bird or squirrel but that was back then, this is now and its not cool.

My son is a knuckle head at imes and he can do some really ignorant stuff and I don't buy him guns of any sort, hell I don't let him play video games with guns. He is dying to have Call of Duty, he will not get it util he shows more maturity and hopefully he will not want it at all. He don't get to watch violent movies. And over the years rap music is banned in my house.  My son was reciting a rap song ear shot of me, I can't exactly remember the name of the song but I had my daughter find out and had the lyrics printed out for me. I had my son read the lyrics to me and explain to me what they meant. He was too embarrass to explain but I made him do it and I asked him if he was raising a son would he like his son to like songs like that. I asked him why would I be concerned about him admiring music like that? He gave back decent answers BUT he said other boys liked the song and I said you are not other boys, you are my boy and I will win what goes into your head and what you will respect, I will win. 

 

I told him not all rap music is like that but I am not going to waste my time listening to every song you listen too and rap music has a bad reputation of having words that will not enhance you or encourage you to do what is right.

 

You have to stay on top of boys until they grow out of that foolishness.  

 

 

People really should just stop buying kids play guns and knives and any other deadly weapon replicas, and they should monitor and limit time their kids spend online playing violent games.  

 

However, these cops' stories should be investigated because it hard to believe that they had to kill a 12-year old because they thought he had a real gun; it just quite unbelievable that killing him was their only option.  

There would be no one alive from my generation, had these bastards been born when kids were all up in the neighborhoods playing Cowboys and Indians. Would have been WW 144 up in the joint called "America." "Cops" didn't display their insanity so blatantly then; you could even like a couple. They wore blue uniforms with matching caps and looked human and humane. Now they look like COPISIS with nothing but murdering young black men on their minds.

I check on the Tamir Rice case every week. 10+ months now on an investigation with video that should not take more than 10 hours. Total farce.

Originally Posted by DennisKalita:

I check on the Tamir Rice case every week. 10+ months now on an investigation with video that should not take more than 10 hours. Total farce.

 

Exactly!

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