Thanks Jazz,
Everyday I pray for all troops, but my husband is my heart and I want him home in one piece. I dont agree with the War, nor does he but he had to go, you know Uncle Sam. He's not on the frontline, thats not his job, its communications but being there period is still dangerous. My wish for the elections is that they elect someone who tells the U.S. to get the hell out of my country, I dont want you here.
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
And KISONGO ...

May I ask why do so many Continental Africans such as yourself so loudly and vehemently condemn us African Americans for our failure to control our government and assume that the reason we don't control our government is because we are totally ignorant of the things our government does ... when you and your people are no better at doing either with your own governmental institutions?

It totally amazes me how many African-born people all say that very same thing, yet their own knowledge and ability cannot/does not stop their own governments from the corruption and domination that invades them?? Confused May I ask why you assume that we don't know the actions of our own government?? And what it is that you believe that we are not doing or don't do in order to make them stop? And also why Angola is still experiencing 20 years of civil war if you have the knowledge of how to stop it? Confused

How can you ask such questions to me? I was afraid to post on this forum because I knew most of you will never understand the positions of continental Africans like me. I'm not surprised to see there are few, or any continental African posting on this board. Why? Because our opinion is judge hateful, outdated, or unimportant. Do you know the REALITY of Angola? Do you know what's REALLY going on in the lives of most continental Africans grip with poverty, injustice, and daily massacres? The struggle we go trough is the most brutal, the greatest atrocities you have never seen. When you are a member of liberation movements like my parents and I you go through so many human rights abuse that you could become insane. We the civilians of Angola have been trying for many , years to pressure our government and the UNITA faction alike. We riot everyday, we educate, and we even fight with the police in the streets! But our protests and struggles in Luanda are smashed by many foreign mercenaries! Our corrupt leaders with their militias have the solidarity and fraternity of the US, the Europeans, and the Russians. Our rebellions are opposed, attacked by many forces of mercenaries they send to beat us when it seem we civilians can end our problems. You are not able to understand me, few of you can so I go mind my own business and rot with my people. I'm not posting here to seek your scorn or your pity so especially ocatchings, Jazzdog, and EgbertSouse don't bother replying to me like you know how.
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Originally posted by Firebug:
Thanks Jazz,
Everyday I pray for all troops, but my husband is my heart and I want him home in one piece. I dont agree with the War, nor does he but he had to go, you know Uncle Sam. He's not on the frontline, thats not his job, its communications but being there period is still dangerous. My wish for the elections is that they elect someone who tells the U.S. to get the hell out of my country, I dont want you here.


My prayers go out to you and your family during this time of seperation from your loved one. I know this can be some hard times but just hang in there.

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Originally posted by KISONGO:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
And KISONGO ...

May I ask why do so many Continental Africans such as yourself so loudly and vehemently condemn us African Americans for our failure to control our government and assume that the reason we don't control our government is because we are totally ignorant of the things our government does ... when you and your people are no better at doing either with your own governmental institutions?

It totally amazes me how many African-born people all say that very same thing, yet their own knowledge and ability cannot/does not stop their own governments from the corruption and domination that invades them?? Confused May I ask why you assume that we don't know the actions of our own government?? And what it is that you believe that we are not doing or don't do in order to make them stop? And also why Angola is still experiencing 20 years of civil war if you have the knowledge of how to stop it? Confused

How can you ask such questions? I was afraid to post on this forum because I knew most of you will never understand the positions of continental Africans like me. I'm not surprised to see there are a few, or any continental African posting on this board. Why? Because our opinion is judge hateful, outdated, or unimportant? Do you know the REALITY of Angola? Do any of you know what's REALLY going on in the lives of most continental Africans grip with insufferable poverty, injustice, and daily massacres? The struggle we go trough is the most brutal, the greatest atrocities you have never seen. When you are a member of liberation movements like my parents and I you go through so many human rights abuse that you can become insane.. We the civilians of Angola have been trying for many many years to pressure our government. We riot everyday, we educate, and we fight with the police in the streets! But our protests and struggles in Luanda are smashed by many foreign mercenaries!!! Our corrupt leaders have the solidarity and fraternity of the US, the Europeans, and the Russians. Our rebellions are opposed, attacked by many forces of mercenaries they send to beat us. You are not able to understand me, few of you can so I go mind my own business and rot with my people. I'm not posting here to seek your scorn or your pity so ocatchings, Jazzdog, and EgbertSouse don't bother replying to me like you know how.



Good answer Roll Eyes

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Originally posted by KISONGO:
I'm leaving this website because I believe this is not the place for me.

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I think that you are getting the wrong impression by taking it personal any disagreements with your view that may be posted. You have to understand that your opinion is respected even if it is not totally agreed to.
In fact, I think that your perspective should be a part of this board and it's discussions.

Also, I would suggest that you take the time to read some of the members' previous post ---especially the likes of Ebonyrose, Nmaginate, Faheem, Yssy, JWC, MBM---and many others, then I think that you will find that you may have these posters all wrong.
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Originally posted by KISONGO:
How can you ask such questions to me? I was afraid to post on this forum because I knew most of you will never understand the positions of continental Africans like me. I'm not surprised to see there are few, or any continental African posting on this board. Why? Because our opinion is judge hateful, outdated, or unimportant.


Kisongo ...

As a matter of fact, I do understand some of your experiences, although admittedly I have not experienced them myself. But, I have spoken to several Continental Africans who did experience first-hand what you are describing. But, with all due respect, that was not my question to you.

My question is why you would make this statement:

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Let him know Oshun Auset because the propaganda machines FOX and CNN won't report that! This brother just show how the American public are so ignorant or in denial, or at best indifferent. What a tragedy!



or this one:
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Here is the part I don't get WHY Americans insist in believing all the BS their government feed them when it's notorious that for 500 years the US government is a corrupt system. It's well known the CIA is friends with the Bin Ladens, and the Saudi Monarchy who sponsor terrorism in the Middle East and Africa.


or this one:

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You are not able to understand me, few of you can so I go mind my own business and rot with my people.


First of all, how do you know who does or does not understand or have knowledge of what you are saying? Secondly, why do you accuse us of not having such knowledge before finding out if we do or not?

Next, in normal African-born people's fashion, your comments not only pronounce us as stupid, but ineffective and/or indifferent to the plight of Africans due to the fact that we cannot stop our government from committing abuses in your countries. However, do you realize that we are still fighting to try to stop our government from committing abuses against us in THIS country? Do you not consider that if we did have the key to controlling this government that we would? Or do you not care about the struggles we face too?

This is not a personal attack against you as one person, but I run into this mindset with just about every African-born person I first meet. My question to you was to try to help me understand why so many of you think this way, and speak this way and accuse the way you do. I am extremely sympathetic to what you have to say ... but there seems to be no reciprocation of that from you. You appear to have already pre-determined that we are ignorant, don't understand, condone and even support evils and attrocities wherever they occur, and have a power to perform something akin to miracles that we are too selfish to use.

I don't doubt that this is not your intention, but it is certainly your presentation, as evidenced by the comments you have made that I've highlighted above. You can leave if you want, but then, wouldn't you be just as guilty of avoiding discussion about these things as you have accused us of doing?
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by KISONGO:
Here is the part I don't get WHY Americans insist in believing all the BS their government feed them when it's notorious that for 500 years the US government is a corrupt system. It's well known the CIA is friends with the Bin Ladens, and the Saudi Monarchy who sponsor terrorism in the Middle East and Africa.




I'll leave this convo to you and Kisongo...but If we didn't take this particular statment as being directed towards the board members...Wouldn't this statement be generally accurate about the Amerikkkan populous? To be honest I wonder the same thing all the time...especially when it is us Africans in Amerikkka displaying this 'belief'...
Oh most definitely, OA ... you're absolutely right!

My problem is that, in this particular instance, it was directed at the members of this board. And my personal opinion here is that the majority of the members here DO understand the BS that the government and the media try to feed to us ... way more so than the general American populous.

I mean, let's face it ... 50% of the voting public re-elected GeeDub. And 50% didn't. Why in the hell those that did did what they did is a mystery I will probably never understand!! But there is no doubt in my mind that that is the same half of America is who is swallowing that BS hook, line and sinker. It is also a safe bet that you nor me nor any of those us that are being lumped into that statement were on the majority 50% side of that election, either!! Why they do it? Who knows, brain-damage, ignorance, stupidity?? Confused I certainly can't figure it out!

But, us here on the board and a number of us that I know and that we each individuallly know are not of that mindset. We know better. We speak of better. Some of us advocated against such things. But when the question is asked, Why are Americans stupid like that, and you're asking a sector of Americans that are asking the same question and looking for the same answer ... what, exactly, is the answer supposed to be?

My answer is consider the fact that some of us are not so brained-damaged, that we do care and know and are concerned, that some of us do do things towards trying to end this sicko state of affairs, but are not powerful enough to make the necessary changes. The peoples in Africa fight and protest and do what they can to end their suffering ... does it work? Not even most of the time, they they continue to try, just as we do. A little cooperation and understanding can go a long way towards helping everybody. But that cannot be achieved with pre-conceptions and closed minds. Roll Eyes
Kisongo...

if you leave, how are we to be enlightened as to your plight??

I personally would like for more continental Africans to post - if for nothing else to open a dialogue that or sorely lacking between the Africans born on the continent and those who were not.

NOTHING posted on this board should ever be taken personally.

I/WE need your perspective my sister.
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Originally posted by AudioGuy:

I/WE need your perspective my sister.


I enthusiastically agree!
I agree too. Kisongo, you seem to get frustrated when people disagree with you or even when they don't already have the same information. It is only the most amazingly brilliant person who has the ability to put himself in foreign shoes and see what everyone else can see, in the same way they see it. Your perspective broadens us, and hopefully ours can broaden you. You have a great deal of value here, and I hope you can understand that and continue to participate in discussions.
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Originally posted by Vox:
I agree too. Kisongo, you seem to get frustrated when people disagree with you or even when they don't already have the same information. It is only the most amazingly brilliant person who has the ability to put himself in foreign shoes and see what everyone else can see, in the same way they see it. Your perspective broadens us, and hopefully ours can broaden you. You have a great deal of value here, and I hope you can understand that and continue to participate in discussions.
I echo that...

I haven't followed this discussion very well and I can understand the frustration...

It's not easy finding a place where you feel at home but don't confuse the disagreements here as something that says your views aren't welcomed.

I'm notorious for my intolerance and vehement disagreements (and perhaps disagreeableness) but I would never wish that a serious brother or sister like yourself, ROWE, JWC, etc. leave this board.

I feel like we're family here. And, to me, that means no need to put on airs. Families disagree but all and in all its the love that keeps them together.

And that's what its all about. Passionately displaying our love for our people by articulating our views as best we can. To me, that's the way we learn the most.

When I've been seriously questioned those are the times I appreciate most. No matter what disagreements I've had with MBM or VOX, etc. on whatever level... I have the utmost respect for them because they challenge and question me the most.

And seriously... the Ask Fagunwa thread should be an example of how thirsty we are for knowledge you can give from your experience and perspective.
Hello to those who care about Africans!! I misjudged the people in this forum, I apologize for that...

To answer EbonyRose question if I can Americans, not only "blacks" on this message board, are generally ignorant about American forces, American project powers, and America evil geopolitics. I say this because I have seen too many ignorant Americans, and even Canadians to know that. Africa, the worse repression, should be a major focus if we claim to extend the unity of our race not so evident in this thread with black men propping the US military and the killing of people for reasons they don't even grasp, what good does that do them? Oh yes for all the "perks," traveling, educational assistance, the money, the respect etc. I see a high number of blacks in your country who support the white men imperial machine. But as far I am concerned burning and killing innocent women, children, and old men is not fighting the domestic enemy of the US. Instead of being against Bush's barbaric war on the people of Iraq, blacks support the dirty work of the troops. Sorry if I can't be happy about this war, the violence and cruelty. The horror of brutal American and European policies is too much ingrained in my mind, and the majority of the peoples living in Africa. Sorry I have to say what I feel.

Many Africans today struggle with large genocides, and vicious social injustice, but our grassroots independent struggles suffer of self-activity. Our anti-imperialist movements suffer of township base. If I come to point out most of our plight in a black American community, continentals like me are classified as difficult, egoist, and tribalists. I thought I wasn't unwelcome here. Now from what I've observe it's no so. Ohsun Auset and Audio Guy showed me in private messages what building Pan-Africanism truly means. So I will try to help. I identity with African American crisis I do! In fact, I need black American friends to know what's really true about you.

I am a continental African so unfortunately I despise the US army, America bloody years of involvement in Africa, not just Africa the entire world! I am just an African who comes to speak her mind among blacks who have inherited the same economic and social discrimination. I won't leave this website anymore because you showed me sympathy. Therefore I will stay with my black people. I wouldn't be a true African activist if I didn't speak my mind. However, it is important to recognize your right too I am aware of that now. We are allies, your struggle is my struggle. Until then we'll support each other.
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Originally posted by KISONGO:
Hello to those who care about Africans!! I misjudged the people in this forum, I apologize for that...

To answer EbonyRose question if I can Americans, not only "blacks" on this message board, are generally ignorant about American forces, American project powers, and America evil geopolitics. I say this because I have seen too many ignorant Americans, and even Canadians to know that. Africa, the worse repression, should be a major focus if we claim to extend the unity of our race not so evident in this thread with black men propping the US military and the killing of people for reasons they don't even grasp, what good does that do them? Oh yes for all the "perks," traveling, educational assistance, the money, the respect etc. I see a high number of blacks in your country who support the white men imperial machine. But as far I am concerned burning and killing innocent women, children, and old men is not fighting the domestic enemy of the US. Instead of being against Bush's barbaric war on the people of Iraq, blacks support the dirty work of the troops. Sorry if I can't be happy about this war, the violence and cruelty. The horror of brutal American and European policies is too much ingrained in my mind, and the majority of the peoples living in Africa. Sorry I have to say what I feel.

Many Africans today struggle with large genocides, and vicious social injustice, but our grassroots independent struggles suffer of self-activity. Our anti-imperialist movements suffer of township base. If I come to point out most of our plight in a black American community, continentals like me are classified as difficult, egoist, and tribalists. I thought I wasn't unwelcome here. Now from what I've observe it's no so. Ohsun Auset and Audio Guy showed me in private messages what building Pan-Africanism truly means. So I will try to help. I identity with African American crisis I do! In fact, I need black American friends to know what's really true about you.

I am a continental African so unfortunately I despise the US army, America bloody years of involvement in Africa, not just Africa the entire world! I am just an African who comes to speak her mind among blacks who have inherited the same economic and social discrimination. I won't leave this website anymore because you showed me sympathy. Therefore I will stay with my black people. I wouldn't be a true African activist if I didn't speak my mind. However, it is important to recognize your right too I am aware of that now. We are allies, your struggle is my struggle. Until then we'll support each other.


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Kisongo ...

All I've got to say is exactly what Oshun Ausset just said!!!! Smile

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And as to what you said ... I echo your sentiments exactly!! We are much more on the same page than you realized. I'm glad you've decided to stay with us. Smile
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Originally posted by ThaWatcher:
I got mine in the mail yesterday...
A Black man with a celtics cap... I now question your judgement. Razz

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