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Everyone should be wearing one of these. I don't care if you don't agree with the war in Iraq. What matters is that there are men and women over there fighting for us. Dying for us. Giving their lives to protect the lives of others.

There is one wristband for every soldier in duty right now. Honor a soldier by wearing one of these. This signifies that you support that soldier and care for that soldier and hope that that soldier comes home safely. They are doing an incredible job, and need every ounce of support they can get.

You can order a free wristband by clicking this link, it should bring you to a site that has options to order or register your wristband:

http://www.virtualarmory.com/VAWS_R.../home/heroband/
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Unfortunately, that link doesn't work. Frown

That's an excellent idea ... mirrored after the same type of bracelets worn in honor of the MIA/POW soldiers of the Vietnam War.

Unfortunately, one difference is that instead of MIA or POW, many soldiers are flat out being killed. Thankfully, it's not as many as before.

Every man and woman who wears the uniform and has taken the oath to protect us has my undying support ... even though technically they are not fighting/dying in Iraq to protect our liberty, as it was never threatened by anyone/anything over there. But that's another sad story, isn't it? Roll Eyes
This thread brings to mind a question:

How can you "support the troops", and not support what they are doing?

It would seem to me that by supporting them, you are sanctioning their efforts - even though they're "just following orders".

IMHO, the troops are an extension of this nations wrong headed policy, which I cannot support.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?
There's seems to be a difference in the minds of people between supporting the war and supporting the troops, most of which, prior to 2001, had no idea that they would be called to participate in a war. Most people, particularly African Americans, join the military for its financial perks and benefits, not to kill people, and definitely not to further the imperialistic objectives of White America. Therefore, why should the troops be morally persecuted for fulfilling their duties in this organization? However, for some, this slogan means that if you don't protect the troops as well as the efforts of this country, you are an ungrateful and complaining citizen. Whether you agree with the war or not, we're in it now, so I suppose their saying, support those who are obligated to be in it so that you don't have to be.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Okay, I'm putting on my asbestos suit, because I fully expect to get flamed. But this support the troops things is an empty slogan put forth be liberals/progressives/Democrats, that want it both ways. They want to challenge the administration's policy without appearing to be "unpatrotic." That's all political B.S.

No flames (or disagreement) from me. When invoked by Democrats, I think that you are on the money in your characterization.
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Originally posted by AudioGuy:
This thread brings to mind a question:

How can you "support the troops", and _not_ support what they are doing?

It would seem to me that by supporting them, you are sanctioning their efforts - even though they're "just following orders".

IMHO, the troops are an extension of this nations wrong headed policy, which I _cannot_ support.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?


We signed on to support the decisions of our leaders. If the wrong person gets elected, we still hve an obligation, and that is obviously being tested today. Now if my commanding officer was the one that said, "they have WMD's, the only good tyrant is a dead tyrant, or Iraq was behind 9/11" then your point would be pretty acurate. But I don't recall any military man with boots on the ground ordering any attacks.

No one hates war war more than the soldiers that have to fight it.

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Originally posted by ocatchings:
We signed on to _support_ the decisions of our leaders. If the wrong person gets elected, we still hve an obligation, and that is obviously being tested today. Now if my commanding officer was the one that said, "they have WMD's, the only good tyrant is a dead tyrant, or Iraq was behind 9/11" then your point would be pretty acurate. But I don't recall any military man with boots on the ground ordering any attacks.

_No one hates war war more than the soldiers that have to fight it._

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Catch, I hear bro, but Hitler's men said the same thing, yet they were and in fact still are being prosecuted. If Hitler had won, there would obviously be a different outlook on history. What would happen if you or some other soldiers were brought on charges by the Iraqi people in some world court and prosecuted at a later date? Would you use that same arguement or would you use something else?

I understand that you so what you have to or face a courts martial, but what would you do?
People often say that those who join the military do so of free will and understand the potential for warfare etc. I can understand that argument. On the other hand, I know that the military recruits heavily in economically depressed areas. Why? Because they know that the people there have very few (if any) opportunities. I would venture to guess that a large majority of people join the military because it is one of the few opportunities to make a little something for themselves and their families as opposed to because they want to see the world and live an exciting life. Hence, it is easy for me to distinguish between the folks who carry out the orders and those who give them. It's not the soldiers who are profiting from the Iraq War - quite the contrary. Personally, I think it is misguided to judge the soldiers in the same way that you judge the politicians behind them.

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Originally posted by AudioGuy:

Catch, I hear bro, but Hitler's men said the same thing, yet they were and in fact still are being prosecuted.


I think there's an extraordinary difference betwen how we judge the enemy's soldiers and how we judge our sons and daughters.
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Originally posted by AudioGuy:

Catch, I hear bro, but Hitler's men said the same thing, yet they were and in fact still are being prosecuted.
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War is a very bad situation no matter who wins. I remember the movie "Andersonville"and I remember thinking "the south had some cruel SOB's". Come to find out the prisons of the north holding southern POW's were much, much worse, but you never hear about them. The lesson I learned was "the winner makes the rules".


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I understand that you so what you have to or face a courts martial, but what would you do?


As for your other point I was almost bought up on charges in DS1 for "doing exactly as I was trained". I honestly felt betrayed. One from the people that trained me, and two from the REMF's sitting in the AC dictating policy. I have no clear answer to what I would do. I know of some "activities" that went on this last time but I didn't say a thing mainly out of loyalty.


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Originally posted by AudioGuy:
This thread brings to mind a question:

How can you "support the troops", and _not_ support what they are doing?


Here's how I accomplish that ...

My support in troops is that, having taken an oath to protect my life, security and liberty, I am behind them 100%. I cheer for them and pray for their success and their return, I try to support one thing or another when it comes to them when I can, and I appreciate the sacrifice that they make for me and this country.

In not supporting the farce of this "war" AND in the fact that they are not really doing their jobs (as per se the oath they took, because we were not threatened and so they are not really protecting the security of the United States in this instance!), I make the distinction between the soldier - the person and the soldier - the U.S. employee. There's lots of people that have do f*&%#d up jobs but that doesn't make them that kind of person. (Ex. People who work in law offices, or for credit card companies, or courthouses or repo companies, etc.)

The soldiers job is the worst because they have to put their lives on the line and therefore, when they clock in, there is the possibility of being killed or (maybe worse) having to kill somebody else. I cannot ... make that I will not, blame them for doing their jobs ...

But the stupid, ignorant cock-eyed, Gomer-looking fool that would have them report to a duty that is a fraud ... the power-hungry, butt-kissing Administration that supported this false, illegal, oil-induced, life-endangering situation for our soldiers that find themselves in in Iraq gets 0% support from me!! For ANYTHING his boot-scottin' ass does from here on out!! Mad He can kiss my ass. soapbox But I digress ...

There are many more ways in which to support our troops than I do. They need supplies and cards and letters and things to keep them, the person, whole and upbeat, and prayer is something I can't do enough of. My cousin is over there now, and we have another one probably going. I want all of the troops out of there, but I don't get a vote.
Many soldiers knew how their government was corrupt; if they really had any conscience they wouldn't have joined the military in the first place. For me the troops are the American government. I don't support the war, I don't support the American government, and I don't support your troops. They are all the same for me. And again we see how Americans are selfish why you should be concerned aboutyour troops only, why about the thousands and thousands Iraqi civilians dying because of the illegal US occupation? Wish safety for ALL people not just Americans. It's so selfish. And don't tell me the Iraqi civilians are all terrorists. I hope you are more intelligent than that to believe Bush & Co lame propagandas.
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Originally posted by KISONGO:
Many soldiers knew how their government was corrupt; if they really had any conscience they wouldn't have joined the military in the first place.


This is Real Life...

Dalontay, a talented urban teenager who is the first in his family to graduate from a Highschool in Yonkers, NY, wants to pursue a college degree in Art History and Architecture. He has plans to build affordable housing in urban cities for the community's poorest families. He goes to his mother, a single mother, for the money so that he can take some local Community College courses. She tells Dalontay to forget about college, that she needs him to get a job and help around the house. Dalontay visits a military recruiting center in his local community which offers him an attractive package including paying most of his college tuition. In addition to the much needed help with college tuition, Dalontay thinks that joining the military will give him the necessary confidence and discpline that he never received at home. Do you think Dalontay is thinking about "Bush & Co lame propagandas" or his future???

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