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It has come to my attention, since reading various discussions in AA.org by other brothers, that they feel black women can be intimidating. Personally, I don't find that to be true, primarily because three strong women raised me in my family. My parents divorced when I was 12 but, unfortunately, the marriage was already doomed to failure years before the divorce. Most of my time was spent learning from my two older sisters and my mother about how to be a man, the rest I ascertained on my own. In essence, I believe I have an edge on the general populous of black males in today's society because I quickly learned how to use the way I was raised to my advantage"”what better teacher to have on how to swoon and romance a woman, understand her strengths and weakness, than a woman? When thinking about interacting romantically with women I like to think along the lines of what Bill Murray's character said in the movie, Caddy Shack: "To be a champion golfer, you have to be the ball."

First thing's first, fellas"”if you haven't already done so, I suggest you develop some platonic friendships with women"”talk with them, listen and learn"”oh, and by the way, before I begin my first lesson, for those of you brothers that already know what the dealie is, keep your condescending comments to yourselves"”this is for the brothers that don't know.

The first thing you should do is to work on your wardrobe. You don't have to dump the clothes you already have and you don't have to make a trip to Neiman Marcus either. There are plenty discount clothing stores where you can pick up an outfit or two. Don't pick clothes just because they are what is hot and now because, first of all, it might not fit your physique or what your true personality is and, secondly, it might not fit the occasion you plan on attending. When putting together an outfit, keep it simple"”earth tone colors that complement your skin tone"”an outfit that isn't baggy and loud but loose fitting and color coordinated.

Next tip"”brothers, you have GOT to use better toiletries"”there is nothing worse than going up to a woman smelling like ass, Ivory soap, and Polo cologne, and don't even get me started with the bad breath"”DAMN! Some of you are going to have to humble yourselves"”ask your female friends or other brothers that you think have it together about tips on finding good toiletries and clothes. I've found that it is best to stay away from cheap soaps, and loud colognes. It's best to use non-scented or lightly scented body washes, and brothers, please take the time to try different colognes"”don't pick cologne just because it's popular"”pick a cologne that matches your body chemistry"”and take a woman with you when you go to the mall.

Okay, here's the coupe de grasse"”there is no such thing as a woman being out of your league. That is a limitation men and women place on themselves because they don't want to overcome their low self-esteem and insecurity. The key to subduing a woman is body language, timing, and attention to detail. When you're at the club, the bookstore or whatever venue you're attending, the first thing you must do is case the area. Locate the woman that appeals to you the most but even then don't approach her right away. Take the time to observe her body language, what she's wearing, the kind of women she's with, whether she's giving brothers the hand that approach her or if she's receptive to them. The next thing to do is place your mind in the mode of interacting with your female friends"”beautiful women are used to brothers dropping their jaws and double-taking"”when you approach a woman, you must approach her as if she is just another person, not the mother of your unborn children.

Within the time it takes to approach a woman, you must pick something out about her, something that the average brother wouldn't notice, and complement her on it. For example, some time ago, I approached a beautiful young sister that beamed with class, and style. When I approached her, I said, "You know, the frames of your glasses fit the bone structure of your face perfectly." She immediately lit up and responded, very warmly, saying, "Oh thank you so much, I just bought these glasses yesterday!" From that point, the barriers were dropped and the conversation flowed naturally. Brothers, this is just a prerequisite--In the interest of not turning this into, yet, another book, I will end here, and answer your questions accordingly.
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Like you said, Avi, you know how I operate--I try to title my discussions in a way that gets people excited and focused--it's an old tactic I picked up in college--the number of flyers posted on message boards on campus were so overwhelming, a strategy had to be used to bring attention to a particular flyer.

One student came up with the idea to post, in bold letters, on his flyer, "FREE SEX." Unfortunately, for some sexually frustrated students, upon closer observation, the flyer turned out to be a simple ad to sublet his apartment--the idea worked. Heheheheeheheh...
Oh I believe that. You wooed me over the Internet, and I must say you did a very good job of it. Even though we've had it out a few times I cannot deny that you have the ability to make a woman smile.

That is an excellent attribute to possess. I believe that you are very serious when involved and respect your relationship to the utmost. You're a very smart man, maybe some women are intimidated by you....?

I'm not. I just wanna claw your eyes out sometimes........

(WISH I COULD CLAW THAT BOOTY)....shhh, dont tell nobody!
Understand something, Avi, and this is also for any other sister that will be reading this discussion--when a man has a purpose, an edge, in the effort to get a woman he desires, it is an endeavor to subdue a woman. A man that is confident, ambitious, and has a clear and attainable vision of his future doesn't look at love as just a pursuit of happiness, he looks at is as a necessity.

It isn't enough just to get a woman's attention--you have to leave an impression on her that will last forever--an impression that will make her forget about any other brother that crossed her path--an impression that will change how she thinks, acts and feels about love. Whether he chooses to be direct, indirect, comical or serious, everything he says and does is for a purpose--nothing is an accident.
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Originally posted by IRONHORSE:
Understand something, Avi, and this is also for any other sister that will be reading this discussion--when a man has a purpose, an edge, in the effort to get a woman he desires, it is an endeavor to subdue a woman. A man that is confident, ambitious, and has a clear and attainable vision of his future doesn't look at love as just a pursuit of happiness, he looks at is as a necessity.

It isn't enough just to get a woman's attention--you have to leave an impression on her that will last forever--an impression that will make her forget about any other brother that crossed her path--an impression that will change how she thinks, acts and feels about love. Whether he chooses to be direct, indirect, comical or serious, everything he says and does is for a purpose--nothing is an accident.


Brother, judging by the words you write, you know absolutely nothing about women. It therefore comes as no suprise that you have none.

Approaching a woman with the attitude that you must "subdue" them is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You want to open yourself to them and engage them. Ideally you should be looking for an equal partner to share your life with and not a concubine to dominate or "subdue". From reading your posts I can just imagine that you will try to suggest that I have taken your words out of context, etc. So be it. Your words are there for everyone to read them.

MBM's favorite phrase in these situations seems to be "respectfully" so I'll use it here with you. "Respectfully" - you should bring your thoughts about women into the 21st century. You can't "subdue" a woman cave man style anymore. Why would you want to? A healthy relationship has to be more than an exercise in your ego-centrism. I can only imagine what a date with you is like. Can a sister get even one word in? bsm

The way you have talked about women suggests that you are either very insecure around them or you really don't like them. That's cool, but either way, as Nmaginate says "own your bias".

Peace! bsm
IMO intimidation is neccessary, it's like pre-game jitters. I agree with subdueing women. But not in the sense that you point out here. "Subdueing" her doesn't come until way later in the game, NOT the first impression.

O.K. Hitch
Your little advice can't be taken serioously. Not unless you and a friend picked out a random woman and bet whether or not you could have sex with her on the first date.

I applaud the effort, but man you got to go back to the drawing board if you want an eternal ROMANCE.
LibDem and HeruStar--you know, when I came to this site, and read some of these discussions, I thought I had finally come to a site where black people could share ideas, thoughts, and opinions and not be attacked--I was wrong. I came from a site where ignorant, narrow-minded, uncreative, ghetto, petty, indifferent negroes chose to ridicule, slander and degrade each other instead of simply just asking, inquiring about the reasoning behind the expressions people make.

I see,now, I'm going to have to go back to my old ways and do a little regulating on this site just as well. First of all, HeruStar and LibDem, let me remind you of what I wrote at the begining and the end of my discussion:

"...by the way, before I begin my first lesson, for those of you brothers that already know what the dealie is, keep your condescending comments to yourselves"”this is for the brothers that don't know."

HeruStar and LibDem, if what I have to say is so wrong--instead of insulting me, did you bother to tell me what I should do right? No--you chose to take the n*ggerish route instead. Second quote:

"Brothers, this is just a prerequisite--In the interest of not turning this into, yet, another book, I will end here, and answer your questions accordingly."

I purposefully touched on certain topics of my discussion, mainly, because I would be sitting here forever, if I explained every single solitary issue of this topic in one post--this is why I stated that I would answer your questions accordingly.

HeruStar and LibDem--don't have one single solitary CLUE as to who the hell I am, and you sure as HELL aren't an authority on the matter to the effect to say that my methods are wrong.
You have PROOF of just one sister that has already attested to the effectiveness of my methods, in this very forum, but I'm sure the both of you were so itching to ride my nuts you failed to notice.

Here's the deal--which one of you suckers was on the scene with me at any point in time at a club, in a bar, in a bookstore, at a house party or anywhere else? NEITHER ONE OF YOU. Which one of you suckers knows the status of whether I'm dating or single? NEITHER ONE OF YOU. It's funny to me how you want to mention, MBM's, name about being 'respectful' but what I fail to see is, when and were, in my discussion, did I express myself in a disrespectful way in regards to interacting with women? NOWHERE.

Instead of posing a question, just to get clarification, you chose to be ignorant and disrespectful. It's all good though--I know how to deal with people like you. Heheheheheheheh...
Oh, and by the way, LibDem, dude, who the hell ARE you??? HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! Who the HELL is FRENCHY??? You kill me with referring back these two people, MBM and Frenchy, as if they're your mama and daddy.

Bruh, you can choose to interpret from my writings whatever you want. You only prove your narrowmindedness and stupidity by making your judgements about me and not having a single clue as to who I am beyond this particular website.

I can't help but to read your responses, over and over, dude and just shake my head at how pathetic and small-minded you sound--people, like you, that get caught up over semantics and jump to conclusions without clarification are so easily lead.....should I even bother....no, I'll just use my time to interact with people that choose to seek clarification and, if not, as my great grandmama used to say, "One monkey don't stop no show."
"Brothers, this is just a prerequisite--In the interest of not turning this into, yet, another book, I will end here, and answer your questions accordingly... IRONHORSE

Yeah flippin' right! There is no elementary appeal to authority in this forum. Your con games and self-implied-imposed expertise will not fly either.


You have PROOF of just one sister that has already attested to the effectiveness of my methods, in this very forum, but I'm sure the both of you were so itching to ride my nuts you failed to notice...Iron

You're joking right? Anonymous Authorities


This master plan of yours really takes the fun out of interracting with a woman. Whatever happened to spontanaeity? Don't you think this is a little too meticulous and too planned?...Heru

You ignored those questions.


No one has disrespected you yet. What part of I applaud your efforts don't you understand? Maybe your ego didn't have enough room.

Niggerish? So WE'RE the ignorant ones.


You came at us with a 'How to' pamphlet, and we just pointed a few errors, typos if you will. No one is Attacking the Person, abusively or circumstantially.
HeruStar....you're joking RIGHT??? Anonymous authorities??? Hmmmmm...how is it that what someone says that is a regular on this site is the bible (making references back to what Frenchy and MBM said) but if someone that is new to this site, like the sister that expressed herself to my effect, someone that is familiar with my ways, expresses her opinion then it has no value????? Just because you don't know, Avi, doesn't make the expression of her opinions any less valid. You don't know me--I haven't been on this site long enough for anyone to even begin to make any conclusions of anything about me.

See, here's what I don't understand but first, let me quote a peice from my discussion, which is more directed towards you, HeruStar, than that other nut:

"Within the time it takes to approach a woman, you must pick something out about her, something that the average brother wouldn't notice, and complement her on it. For example, some time ago, I approached a beautiful young sister that beamed with class, and style. When I approached her, I said, "You know, the frames of your glasses fit the bone structure of your face perfectly." She immediately lit up and responded, very warmly, saying, "Oh thank you so much, I just bought these glasses yesterday!" From that point, the barriers were dropped and the conversation flowed naturally."

Where, in the example I just quoted, did I sound like a con--where did I sound planned? The simple fact is, she had slender features and the frames she wore was also, not only slender, they also complemented her smooth, almond colored skin. That female was a total stranger and a woman I observed in passing.

Considering the fact that I was successful in my attempt to gain her company, how is it that any further input would be necessary, first of all, and, secondly, I'm an accomplished artist--a detailed thinker--being meticulous is just an occupational hazard. I can pick up on dozens of details about inanimate objects and people in a split second that people with an untrained eye wouldn't even notice. If you had bothered to ask, you would have found that out.

Thirdly, HeruStar, when speaking on topics that are particularly of first person experience, especially if the topic or topics being discussed have been effective for the person in question, who are you to question otherwise to the effect of those methods being ineffective or 'taking the fun out of interacting with women,' whether you would agree with my methods or not? Most certainly, the woman I enjoyed the company of didn't think I was taking the fun out of anything, and that, HeruStar, is what is important, not whether you agree with my methods or not.

The reason why I'm on you about this is you seek to analyze and criticize with incomplete evidence--you don't even know what class of woman she was, how old she was, what region of the United States she originated from--you don't even know what she was wearing or the setting I met this woman in (by saying she was young, young could mean she was 21 or 31). Without important information like that to go on, you make yourself look ignorant to make premature statements on matters that you don't have all of the facts on.
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
What exactly do you mean by "subdue" and what do you mean by "be the ball"?


I like your questions, Fagunwa--Firstly, what I mean by "being the ball" is to, in this situation, be the woman. As a man that would be in a situation of approaching a woman you would have to ask yourself, "If I were a beautiful woman, how would I want to be approached?"

In my experience, a beautiful woman that is used to being approached all kinds of ways would want to be approached in a unique way. It isn't enough to say something that has been said a million times--wow, you're beautiful, can I get your number, or some boring garbage like that.

To get a beautiful woman's attention, at least, in my experience, you have to notice something particular about her--mainly, something about what she is wearing that complements her body. Secondly, it also helps to make direct eye contact, smile and be professional, yet pleasant and at ease. In my opinion, it is important to make a woman feel comfortable enough, like she has known you somewhere before. It also helps, if a woman is with her friends, to be cordial and speak to her friends shortly after you have spoken to the woman you're interested in. It also helps to have a quick wit and think fast on your feet because, as you know, many sisters have that nack for throwing a brother off his game if he isn't on key.

This may all sound long-winded and rehearsed but in real time, all of these actions happens in only a matter of seconds. Some people, like me, are a natural at doing this while others may have to practice.
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
What exactly do you mean by "subdue"


Fagunwa, this word, subdue, from the very begining has been taken too literally. When I use the word, subdue, I don't mean to overpower or control a woman. I use the word, subdue, in a classical sense of the term, mainly because I'm a Greek Mythology and Italian Literature nut.

I don't look at subduing a woman as an end process. I feel that from the very second a man sets his eyes on a woman and devises a way to make first contact, he is in the process of subduing a woman. Like other mammals on this planet, we are all the same--Peacocks dance around and raise their beautiful feathers, a lion will spray his musk on the jungle floor and make repititious growls--it's all in an attempt to subdue a mate.

Now, back to us humans--whether the approach is comical and off-the-wall or serious and determined is at the man's discretion. Depending on what type of woman, the mood and the setting and location will determine what would be the best approach to make.
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Originally posted by IRONHORSE:
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Originally posted by Fagunwa:
What exactly do you mean by "subdue" and what do you mean by "be the ball"?


I like your questions, Fagunwa--Firstly, what I mean by "being the ball" is to, in this situation, be the woman. As a man that would be in a situation of approaching a woman you would have to ask yourself, "If I were a beautiful woman, how would I want to be approached?"

In my experience, a beautiful woman that is used to being approached all kinds of ways would want to be approached in a unique way. It isn't enough to say something that has been said a million times--wow, you're beautiful, can I get your number, or some boring garbage like that.

To get a beautiful woman's attention, at least, in my experience, you have to notice something particular about her--mainly, something about what she is wearing that complements her body. Secondly, it also helps to make direct eye contact, smile and be professional, yet pleasant and at ease. In my opinion, it is important to make a woman feel comfortable enough, like she has known you somewhere before. It also helps, if a woman is with her friends, to be cordial and speak to her friends shortly after you have spoken to the woman you're interested in. It also helps to have a quick wit and think fast on your feet because, as you know, many sisters have that nack for throwing a brother off his game if he isn't on key.

This may all sound long-winded and rehearsed but in real time, all of these actions happens in only a matter of seconds. Some people, like me, are a natural at doing this while others may have to practice.


It doesn't sound long winded to me at all. I like a lot of what you said I just wasn't clear about those two terms. I think that "subdue" word threw alot of people off from the vibe of your post which sounded to me like, and correct me if I'm wrong, "Men tighten up your game".

Now I'm married 25 years and I don't betray the Queen, but those techniques work in any situation work,shopping etc. That kind of style will take anyone a long way.
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Originally posted by qty226:
Ironhorse, i know that you are geninuely, a compassionate man.

But im wondering if your statements here, are being viewed by some as calculated behavior.

Just a thought...


QTY, if some people do interpret my comments as calculated that cannot be helped, however, if people would inquire and be more specific about what it is they want to know, I would be more than happy to oblige them.

As I've mentioned earlier, a lot of what I'm talking about in this discussion may sound long-winded, planned and meticulous but in real time, these actions only take split seconds to execute. You have to put yourself in the frame of mind of how all this transpires from the time it takes to walk into a club or bookstore to the time it takes to make contact.

This isn't something I just thought up overnight--this is a result of years of trial and error to a point where it's second nature--the key is making look easy.
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Originally posted by IRONHORSE:
HeruStar and LibDem, if what I have to say is so wrong--instead of insulting me, did you bother to tell me what I should do right?


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Originally posted by LibDem:
You want to open yourself to them and engage them. Ideally you should be looking for an equal partner to share your life with and not a concubine to dominate or "subdue".


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Originally posted by IRONHORSE:
HeruStar....you're joking RIGHT??? Anonymous authorities??? Hmmmmm...how is it that what someone says that is a regular on this site is the bible (making references back to what Frenchy and MBM said) but if someone that is new to this site, like the sister that expressed herself to my effect, someone that is familiar with my ways, expresses her opinion then it has no value????? Just because you don't know, Avi, doesn't make the expression of her opinions any less valid.


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Originally posted by AVISUNSHYNE:
But SUBDUING? Do we really need to be subdued?


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Originally posted by AVISUNSHYNE:
You're cute... a little strange but cute all the same.


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Originally posted by AVISUNSHYNE:
And you wont have to SUBDUE her in the process.....lol


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Originally posted by AVISUNSHYNE:
You're a very smart man, maybe some women are intimidated by you....?

I'm not. I just wanna claw your eyes out sometimes........
You see, LibDem, you make yourself look more and more silly--the more you try to make me out to be in the wrong, the more you make yourself look stupid. Avi and I have a history--of course she's going to tease me because we've always teased each other, nevertheless, why don't I just quote a little more of what, Avi, said--

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Originally posted by AVISUNSHYNE:
Oh I believe that. You wooed me over the Internet, and I must say you did a very good job of it.
That is an excellent attribute to possess. I believe that you are very serious when involved and respect your relationship to the utmost. You're a very smart man, maybe some women are intimidated by you....?

I'm not. I just wanna claw your eyes out sometimes........

(WISH I COULD CLAW THAT BOOTY)....shhh, dont tell nobody!


As for your quotes about the word, subdue, perhaps you should take a moment to see where I have already explained why I used the word--you're good at repetitious quotations, like your mama, Frenchy, so, why don't you scroll up a few posts and see where I explained this earlier?
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Who the HELL is FRENCHY???


You betta ask somebody! lol

I'm not an "old-timer" on this site at all. I joined 2 weeks ago. I did not attested to the effectiveness of your methods. I said that EVEN IF you were one of the "good ones" it doesn't change the overall picture. I didn't know anything about your methods until I saw this thread.

I think it's really interesting that you were just raggin on sistas for immaturely playing games and then you promptly opened up a thread with a full-on game plan; a game you are so entrenched in that it has taken you years to perfect it and make it look easy. I don't think you really believe half of what you post here.

I can't get behind any M.O. that is classified as a way to "subdue intimidating sistas." Why must she be subdued/held down? YOU are the one who's intimidated by her. That aint her fault. Why not learn to appreciate/value yourself enough so that she's no longer intimidating? Why not approach her with a genuine compliment instead of something off-the-wall that no one's ever said before? It doesn't matter how many men tell a woman she is beautiful, it just sounds/is/feeeels different coming from someone who is being honest and pure in intention. Secondly, IRONHORSE, you spoke a great deal about the importance of each person chosing what is best for them specifically and not going with the popular idea. What makes you think that your plan would work on all women, that it could be handed out to brothas en masse as the best approach?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fagunwa:
I think that "subdue" word threw alot of people off from the vibe of your post which sounded to me like, and correct me if I'm wrong, "Men tighten up your game".[QUOTE]

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! Damn, you're good, Fagunwa!! HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Yeah, that, in effect, was the point I was getting across to the brothers out there, especially the ones that express to the effect that men can be insecure about approaching women and that women can be intimidating.

Hell--speaking from personal experience, I have been considered intimidating to some of the very women types of women that these brothers find to be intimidating.

What many brothers fail to realize is that often, more than not, these so-called intimidating women are only putting up a front--on the inside, they are just as afraid, if not more, than the men that approach them. Now, true enough, many sisters may be genuinely intimidating, however, with a little courage, humility, a great smile and a good sense of humor you can win any woman's heart.
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Originally posted by Frenchy:

I can't get behind any M.O. that is classified as a way to "subdue intimidating sistas." Why must she be subdued/held down? YOU are the one who's intimidated by her. That aint her fault. Why not learn to appreciate/value yourself enough so that she's no longer intimidating? Why not approach her with a genuine compliment instead of something off-the-wall that no one's ever said before? It doesn't matter how many men tell a woman she is beautiful, it just sounds/is/feeeels different coming from someone who is being honest and pure in intention. Secondly, IRONHORSE, you spoke a great deal about the importance of each person chosing what is best for them specifically and not going with the popular idea. What makes you think that your plan would work on all women, that it could be handed out to brothas en masse as the best approach?


I'm going to be honest with you, Frenchy--I don't know you and I don't know what part of Florida you live in but what makes you think that because you don't believe in what I'm saying that my experiences are invalid--the fruits of my labor do not exist? HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

I lived in Miami for two years, and I can tell you, the tactics that I have mentioned do not work on the sisters down there, however, does that mean I didn't know how to adapt to a new environment? HA HA HA HA, HELL NO! HA HA HA HA HA!!!

From my experience, the sisters down there in south Florida aren't used to classy, suave, gentleman types like me. They're used to those obnoxious, tacky, loud, arrogant, thugged out player types, nevertheless, I found my niche.

My style was particularly popular with the hispanic women, more specifically, Puerto Ricans and Cubans, amongst other types--Jamaican, French, German, Israeli, Brazilian, Haitian and English--such a high concentration of beautiful, exotic women from around the world.

You see, Frenchy, the more you get to know me, the more you'll come to know that I am not your average brother, no matter how hard you try to debunk my gangsta. HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
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Let me be a little more specific, Frenchy--in my experience of living in Miami, I found that many sisters fell all over these losers--brothers that pushed brand new BMW's, Acuras, and SUVs, rolling on 22 inch chrome wheels and tricked out to hell with jet black tint and loud racing mufflers but still living with their mama in a flat somewhere in the middle of the hood in Miramar, Liberty City, North Miami or West Palm Beach or shacked up in an apartment with three other dudes--I'm a grown man, I don't roll that way, Frenchy. Heheheheheheh...
Your "tactics" are tacky. You combat intimidation (which is uncalled for) with intimidation. In other words, let's make them feel uncomfortable and vulnerable first. I mean their just sheep and we're wolves right? Your brash unwarranted intimacy can hardly be applied to a significant amount of women.

When I approached her, I said, "You know, the frames of your glasses fit the bone structure of your face perfectly."...Iron

Please tell me you at least said "Hi" first, and then exchanged names, and then assesed whether or not your methodological approach was applicable to that specific woman.

You show your ignorance when you make generalizations about women because of their geographic locations. You can keep your "gangsta" unscathed just so long as you respect the complexity of modern day women.
Poor, HeruStar--I must have really touched a nerve there for you to put so much effort into thinking this rebuttal to my taking you down a notch or two would make you seem any more credible, which it hasn't.

Okay, check this out--I had to laugh at this last paragraph:

"You show your ignorance when you make generalizations about women because of their geographic locations. You can keep your "gangsta" unscathed just so long as you respect the complexity of modern day women."

*Exit Stage left*

I can picture you flipping your hair back as you turn away and walk out of my office like in one of them early 80's nightime dramas like Dallas, Falcon Crest or Dynasty, BAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HAH AH HA!!!!!

*Taking a breath and wiping tears from my eyes*

Okay, *gasp* okay...lemme quote this piece of Masterpiece Theatre, warmed over garbage too:

"Your "tactics" are tacky. You combat intimidation (which is uncalled for) with intimidation. In other words, let's make them feel uncomfortable and vulnerable first. I mean their just sheep and we're wolves right? Your brash unwarranted intimacy can hardly be applied to a significant amount of women."


*Fell out of my desk chair, bumped my head on the corner of my desk, and hit the ground laughing*

Okay, HeruStar, you must be a woman--even Frenchy didn't try this hard to insult me, BAAAAAAAAAA HA HAH A HA HA!!!

Okay, *sigh* okay, *fanning my face* this is the best part:

"Please tell me you at least said "Hi" first, and then exchanged names, and then assesed whether or not your methodological approach was applicable to that specific woman."

No, HeruStar, honey, I didn't say hello--I punched her in the gutt, dragged her by her nose into my car, drove her to Ray Ray's Fat Burgers, Rims, and auto detail shop (Get a 1 year supply of Ray Ray burger and hot wing combo meal specials with your purchase of a set of Spreewell spinners, and an alpine scented car freshener..for a limited time only).

Afterwards, we took a walk, at night, unda da skreet lights to da park where we made hot ghetto lub unda da moonlight.

BAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA!!!!!!

music thanks cabbage lol Eek Razz Big Grin
Good grief,

Relax man, you're taking this way too personal. I'm no expert on the subject, my bad if I came across that way. From now on if you read anything posted by me understand that it is my opinion.

Back to the lecture at hand.

Instead of studying the surroundings, and finding some meaningless (meaningless because half the women you approach with pointing out some random detail, may take offense) you should be studying what SHE is communicating to you. I agree that the man should be the pursuant, but if and only if the woman communicates to you that she wants to be pursued/subdued(lol).

I mean honestly, some of these women have their hearts wrapped around a man already; and your comments (that disregard all consequences) may have a negative effect on her conscious. Some of these women are gay, so you'd be probably barking up the wrong tree. Have you considered the possibility that not all women might consider you all that attractive (to them), and would be even less attracted to your interruption of their day.

Your "Frame...bonstructer" comment should have one intention only; which is to make her day, not "get with her" or "subdue her".

It's the Man's job to pursue, but it's the Woman's obligation to give some sort of indication that she wants to be pursued by YOU.
I'm glad to see that you have decided to return to my discussion as a student instead of a heckler. Now, back to MY lecture currently in progress...

Before I continue with MY lecture, let me make it clear to you, HeruStar, that I employ a plethora of methods which are successful 99% of the time because I always look before I leap when interacting with women.

Seriously though, HeruStar, it would be one thing if I posted a discussion asking for help or if I even posed my discussion in a way that I needed advice on whether or not my methods worked but that isn't even remotely the case. I'm mearly here to express ONE person's opinion on how to swoon or socialize with a woman, which leads me to another dilemna--

I'm amazed at the amount of negative attention I recieved from one single word, SUBDUE, and even though I explained the reason why I used that word, more than once, people PERSISTED in being negative and close-minded. Only one person, Fagunwa, had the common sense to just take the time and figure out that it was mearly wordplay and not meant in a literal sense.

You, particularly, HeruStar, have allowed yourself to get caught up over this one word, thereby, repsonding with utter bias. I must have written 50,000 words and all that has stuck in your mind, as well as other people's minds, is the word, SUBDUE.

Let me point out something to you, HeruStar, son--What works for me, works for me. Of course, no man is going to have a 100% success rate, and I'm not even going to attempt to say that I do--sometimes, I may be off but, more often than not, sometimes I'm right on the money. However, what you continue to fail to understand is I'm very accurate with the particular type of women that I'm attracted to. Though you may mean well, HeruStar, your opinions may be valid in your particular case but in my case your opinions, presented in instructional form, which is to laugh, are irrelevent.

Nowhere in my discussion did I ever say that my methods were an end all be all solution--as a matter of fact, I do recall, ONCE AGAIN, saying that what I stated was mearly a PREREQUISITE. You see, HeruStar, this is what makes you sound foolish to me:

"Instead of studying the surroundings, and finding some meaningless (meaningless because half the women you approach with pointing out some random detail, may take offense) you should be studying what SHE is communicating to you. I agree that the man should be the pursuant, but if and only if the woman communicates to you that she wants to be pursued/subdued(lol)."

Obviously, you must have completely overlooked or ignored the second paragraph in the discussion I originally posted. Let me point it out to you:

"First thing's first, fellas"”if you haven't already done so, I suggest you develop some platonic friendships with women"”talk with them, listen and learn"”"

If I'm telling brothers in the very begining of my discussion to LISTEN AND LEARN then, OBVIOUSLY, I would, be as you put it, "studying what SHE is communicating to you." I think what may be the problem here, HeruStar, is that you may be upset because I came up with the idea for this discussion first or the manner in which I expressed this forum provoked envy.

Now, back to MY lecture...

What you may consider MEANINGLESS might, just as you said, "make her day" which should be what ANY man's primary goal in making first contact with a woman. Comments like this: "Some of these women are gay, so you'd be probably barking up the wrong tree." are so moot I almost forgot what I just quoted. This is why you OBSERVE a woman before you run up to her like some kind of horny 13 year old high school kid with bulging pimples and a hardon.

Comments like this are also unecessary:

"Please tell me you at least said "Hi" first, and then exchanged names, and then assesed whether or not your methodological approach was applicable to that specific woman."


Come on, HeruStar, you seem like a bright man--why would I have to give you a step-by-step, word-for-word account of everything I said and did with a woman? The point is, I expressed, in my discussion, the particular line that broke the ice--end of story. Every woman is different, every occasion is different, every mood is different--these are trivial things I shouldn't have to communicate to you especially since you think you are in a position to give me pointers on how to socialize with women (trying to sell ice to an eskimo)--you should already know, yourself, which is why I meant this forum to be for brothers that DON'T know, not condescending brothers that want to go tat to tat with me and match romantic wit, which I have yet to see from you.
<--Hardly romantic

<--Thinks it's funny you actually believe half the stuff you say.

You put yourself at a serious disadvantage when you publish thoughts and opinions in an authoratative manner, without the least amount of references. What's "laughable" is the fact that you actuall posted this

I employ a plethora of methods which are successful 99% of the time because I always look before I leap when interacting with women. IRON

Before I make any judgement based conclusions, explain to me what's going on in that statement

I think your posts are riddled with B.S. like

If I'm telling brothers in the very begining of my discussion to LISTEN AND LEARN then, OBVIOUSLY, I would, be as you put it, "studying what SHE is communicating to you."

I'm glad you capitalized OBVIOUSLY, because it really magnifies how full of crap you are. This vague Listen and Learn statement can in no way be applied to what I said. Your Listen and learn was attached to the whole "get some female friends" spill you went on. As if we should take notes from our female counterparts. Study what she is communicating means WATCH (wait I think I have to say this again WATCH) which is totally different from LISTENING.

HeruStar, is that you may be upset because I came up with the idea for this discussion first or the manner in which I expressed this forum provoked envy IRON

Don't flatter yourself

I think your posts are at the least entertaining, far from thought provoking or applicable, but entertaining nevertheless.
The mere fact that you've stated that you're hardly romantic, yet you think you can offer me advice on how to approach a woman proves you are not only full of shit, you're also indifferent, petty, contradictive, insecure, and you have a low self-esteem.

You have expressed yourself under the guise of a bruised ego from the very begining--if you wanted clarification you could have simply asked--if you wanted to add to the discussion you could have simply done so but, no, like I said before, you had to be n*ggerish, and attempt to tear my opinions down and build your own up.

Whatever questions you have asked I have answered, whatever you have pointed out about my opinions that you feel are an error, I have debunked, however, when I point out the errors in your logic, in your premature efforts to jump to conclusions, you only respond with vendictive, penis-envy sounding comments.

If you feel I have presented my discussion as an authoritative figure, then, fine--at least I have responded to your reactions with first hand knowledge. What has made this conversation pointless with you is the fact that not only have you not presented any evidence that possesses any overwhelming validity, you have only responded with childish remarks and pitiful attempts to insult, therefore, HeruStar, I'm rendering you no longer worthy of any responses on my behalf.

So, on that note, you can take your romantically inept ass to another forum and drum up trivial, moot comments with someone else.

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