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Study: Latinos bring view of blacks

BY PAUL BONNER : The Herald-Sun
pbonner@heraldsun.com
Jul 10, 2006 : 8:34 pm ET

DURHAM -- Latino immigrants bring negative attitudes toward blacks with them from their home countries rather than develop them after they arrive here, a team including four Duke and two UNC researchers say.

The study, which will appear in the August issue of the Journal of Politics analyzed survey data drawn from Durham residents in 2003.

Latinos also more often identified with whites than blacks, although whites were less likely to see themselves as having much in common with Latinos.

The survey asked 500 residents nearly equally divided among the three groups. The researchers chose Durham because of its nearly 500 percent increase in Latino population between 1990 and 2000, and because its black population spans socioeconomic levels.

"What surprised us most was the high level of negative stereotypes on the part of Latino immigrants," said Paula McClain, a professor of political science at Duke University and the study's lead author. "We were also, I guess, pleasantly surprised at the low level of stereotypes of blacks held by whites in Durham. Less than 10 percent of our sample of whites held negative stereotypes of blacks. And that blacks were more tolerant of Latino immigrants than Latino immigrants were of blacks."

The survey asked such questions as whether members of one group saw the others as hardworking, trustworthy or easy to get along with.

A majority of Latino immigrants, 58.9 percent, said few or almost no blacks are hardworking. Nearly one-third said few if any blacks are easy to get along with. And nearly 57 percent said few if any blacks could be trusted.

Only one-third of blacks, on the other hand, said they distrusted Latino immigrants; 42.8 percent said most or nearly all Latinos are easy to get along with; and 72 percent characterized them as hard-working.

Negative views toward blacks tended to be higher among male Latinos but lower among those who were more educated. Although it was too small to be statistically significant, some evidence suggested that unfavorable perceptions lessen with time spent in the United States.

Latinos seemed unlikely to have absorbed the attitudes from whites, the researchers said, mostly because whites were more positive toward blacks. Only 9.3 percent of whites said few blacks work hard, only 8.4 percent said few or no blacks are hard to get along with and only 9.6 percent said few if any blacks can be trusted.

More than three-quarters, 78 percent, of Latinos said they have more in common with whites than blacks. But whites said they have more in common with blacks -- 45.9 percent, as opposed to 22.2 percent saying they have more in common with Latinos.

Blacks were split on whether they have more in common with Latinos or whites -- 49.6 percent and 45.5 percent, respectively.


Through El Centro Hispano, Durham's Latino community supports advocacy for the economic interests of poor people of all races and ethnic backgrounds in Durham, said Alba Onofrio, El Centro's director. One way it does so is as a member organization of Durham CAN, which stands for Congregations, Associations and Neighborhoods.

Friction arises from causes besides race, she said.

"We find that more often it's a matter of class and not of race," Onofrio said.

And although Hispanics are El Centro's main constituency, it aids other local immigrants, such as the Tanzanian Association, which meets at its offices, she said.

Onofrio suggested that Durham Latinos' attitudes toward blacks may be affected by black-on-Hispanic robbery, which gained a high profile in the mid-1990s as Latino immigration to Durham increased. But that, too, has more to do with blacks and Latinos living in close proximity, with both groups in dire economic straits, rather than race per se, she said.

"That creates a tension, because people aren't able to see out of that box that they live in," she said.

Although the study didn't look at crime, other evidence suggests Latino immigrants' attitudes about race may be formed in Mexico, where most Durham immigrants are from, McClain said. Recent studies there have documented racism and discrimination toward darker-skinned people, she said.

Three others of the study's 10 authors are at Duke: Niambi M. Carter, Victoria DeFrancesco Soto and Monique Lyle. UNC researchers Gerald F. Lackey and Kendra Davenport Cotton participated, as did J. Alan Kendrick of St. Augustine's College in Raleigh.

In the United States, relations can improve as long as people are willing to examine their presuppositions, McClain said.

"If you recognize these attitudes exist, you can begin to ameliorate them," she said. "The question is, since they exist, what do we do about them?"
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There are Negroes who will never fight for freedom. There are Negroes who will seek profit for themselves from the struggle. There are even some Negroes who will cooperate with the oppressors. The hammer blows of discrimination, poverty, and segregation must warp and corrupt some. No one can pretend that because a people may be oppressed, every individual member is virtuous and worthy. Martin Luther King

More to come later! Your Brother Faheem
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Great article! tfro

It goes a long way to show that when I try to explain to people that we are the low man on the totem pole for every other race of people no matter where they are or how little they have, I do know what I'm talking about! Smile

What I would really like to know is why do Mexicans assume that White folks will like them or treat them better than they do us?? Do they not understand White people? Or perhaps they have a superiority complex of their own?? Confused
White Supremacy is a mutha*****!

I am more interested in knowing by what means was the message that Black folk do not work hard was conveyed to them. What medium was used, because clearly something or someone has told them that we do not work hard. The article did state the less educated the man or woman was the more prone they were to believing these things about us. I also wonder how that 22% who did not believe they have more in common with white folk come to the conclusion they did. If we knew that we may be able to find out who is pulling the string and the legs of that 78% who think they have more in common with white folk.
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Originally posted by Faheem:
White Supremacy is a mutha*****!

I am more interested in knowing by what means was the message that Black folk do not work hard was conveyed to them. What medium was used, because clearly something or someone has told them that we do not work hard. The article did state the less educated the man or woman was the more prone they were to believing these things about us. I also wonder how that 22% who did not believe they have more in common with white folk come to the conclusion they did. If we knew that we may be able to find out who is pulling the string and the legs of that 78% who think they have more in common with white folk.


Obviously, the backhanded fury of white supremacy haven't pimp-slapped them yet.
Well, considering ex-Prez Fox's statement about jobs that "even" Black folks won't do and the fact that he was elected by a large majority of supporters ... this train of thought is obviously nothing new and not especially contained to a small group of Mexicans.

Not liking Black people I can kinda understand ... that's pretty universal. But actually thinking they have more in common with White folks ... that's downright scary!! ek
Negative views toward blacks tended to be higher among male Latinos but lower among those who were more educated. Although it was too small to be statistically significant, some evidence suggested that unfavorable perceptions lessen with time spent in the United States.


EbonyRose: "It goes a long way to show that when I try to explain to people that we are the low man on the totem pole for every other race of people no matter where they are or how little they have, I do know what I'm talking about!......................"Not liking Black people I can kinda understand ... that's pretty universal. But actually thinking they have more in common with White folks ... that's downright scary!!............."

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Yes.
This has been my experience. In conversations with many latino males, both in my classes, and in my mothers' neighborhood, I have had many of them them tell me, that they, are 'exactly' like white people, or closer to white people, based on appearance, hair, social 'skills', social acceptance, cognitive abilities. etc. When looking back on my years as a college prof, I realized that many of my most challenging/difficult students have been either the 'skinhead' white males students, and the latin male students. I had assessed the latin male students as providing me challenge, due to machismo, but now understand that that was only half of the problem.

I ride the trolley in my city, and am on a daily basis, verbally 'assaulted' every other day by the 'Latin' trolley security, [as opposed to the white/black trolley security] who often assume that I lack a bus/public transportation fare, with a frightening hostile ugliness that would put 'Bull Connor' to shame. Many of the incoming latin males in my mothers' neighborhood, have exhibited some of THE most horrific racist behavior, that we have had to call the police to intervene/manage any conflict, to keep them in check. My mother grew up in 1940's-50's Louisiana, and she says she recognizes many of these behaviors/attitudes from many of her new neighbors, as the ones she faced, circa, 1951, Baton Rouge. Wonderful. Frown
'...I also wonder how that 22% who did not believe they have more in common with white folk come to the conclusion they did. If we knew that we may be able to find out who is pulling the string and the legs of that 78% who think they have more in common with white folk.'---Faheem

What I would really like to know is why do Mexicans assume that White folks will like them or treat them better than they do us?? Do they not understand White people? Or perhaps they have a superiority complex of their own??---EbonyRose


I have had many of them them tell me, that they, are 'exactly' like white people, or closer to white people, based on appearance, hair, social 'skills', social acceptance, cognitive abilities. etc.---nayo

My mother grew up in 1940's-50's Louisiana, and she says she recognizes many of these behaviors/attitudes from many of her new neighbors, as the ones she faced, circa, 1951, Baton Rouge.---nayo

I think all of these examples and questions are grounded in 'White Supremacy is a mutha'.

I believe that when in America no one wants to be in the 'black folk' group, because they know that is where the people European-Americans dislike the most, treat the worst, etc are grouped.

Therefore, the Mexicans in EbonyRose's example and the Louisianans in 'nayo' example claim whatever they can to exempt themselves.

The Louisianans default to physical characteristics, and...

I've noticed those folks seem to have a pseudo-French accent that is just a little heavier.

The Mexicans in EbonyRose's example hold on to, or recovery their Spanish (as in look I'm an immigrant) when it is convenient.

Also, Latino immigrants come from European-dominated societies which teach the put down of African ancestry.

Reports abound from visitors to those nations on how the people try 'grade' themselves in their European appearance.

The same can be said for us of African ancestry who are native to the U.S.

Some of us don't want to be us, or like us.

Being one of that group, I work everyday to assure that my African American heritage paramount.

And I do agree that it is about perception-of -self.

Perception of ones place in the pecking order of society was the reason for 'The Bacon Rebellion' of 1676.

I resent that behavior.

Both in myself and all others.


PEACE

Jim Chester
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Originally posted by Faheem:
White Supremacy is a mutha*****!

I am more interested in knowing by what means was the message that Black folk do not work hard was conveyed to them. What medium was used, because clearly something or someone has told them that we do not work hard. The article did state the less educated the man or woman was the more prone they were to believing these things about us. I also wonder how that 22% who did not believe they have more in common with white folk come to the conclusion they did. If we knew that we may be able to find out who is pulling the string and the legs of that 78% who think they have more in common with white folk.




I think people instinctively identify with the holders of power and privilege .... especially if they don't have too many first hand negative experiences of that group ... it doesn't take much in this country to see who that is...
I'd like to say I feel vindicated in regards to all my posts dealing with the consequences of illegal Mestizos immigration on the Black community, but seeing these results honestly just make me sad. This report verifies what I've experienced my whole life--Mestizos are racist against Blacks at a higher rate than we are against them. It is odd indeed that the poorer and less European a Mestizo is in terms of appearance and culture, the more vitriolically racist they are. Perhaps this is some form of overcompensation? It reminds me of a funny incident in high school, where this Mexican Mestizo went around being an ass and insisting that he was Italian. To call him a Mestizos would actually be incorrect, because his complexion and features were pure indigenous. His family was pretty much dirt poor, with about 9 kids, spoke almost no English, and lived on welfare. He was darker than most of the Blacks at the school, and dumb as dirt to boot, and the lighter Mestizos treated him ike crap. Italian my ass. As for whites identifying with Mestizos, this always gave me a cynical sort of chuckle. In my experience, at least, whites and Blacks had much more in common than whites and Mestizos, and it was interesting to note that the white and Black students would often get together and taunt the Mestizos by saying things like "La Migra is coming!" Not that that means anything; in the ened it doesn't matter if we get along better with them than another group, when push comes to shove each will side with his own.

So for all the people advocating we embrace the growing Mestizo population, explain the benefits of this to me again.
The moment we took the name black which is darkness, then we were done. What still amazes me is, we choose not to be independent in our thoughts.Despite of the fact that the african was forced into America and else where, tells you that the spirits were not happy leaving the motherland. But how many African americans have ever stepped on the continent of their origin? We shall continue complaining and being discriminated as long as we do not honour our roots. The pride of the white man goes along way in telling us, that we are invaders. But i ask, why should i be endure all this, while i have a place where i can be among my own.
Invest and do away with being a second class citizen. As the name African American,second American. I love to be African.
Here's another article related to this topic:



NAACP faces questions over ties with Hispanics


By Sean Mussenden
MEDIA GENERAL NEWS SERVICE

WASHINGTON

As the NAACP, the nation's oldest civil-rights group, gathers for its annual convention here this weekend, it is increasingly joining forces with the newest minority power in American politics - Hispanics.

NAACP supporters say that working with Hispanics is crucial in maintaining relevance in an era when Hispanics, the fastest growing minority, outnumber blacks.

But critics say that the relationship has hurt the the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People's core constituency in the continuing battle over immigration.

Frank Morris, the chairman of Choose Black America, a group that favors strict immigration controls, said that the NAACP has lost touch with the needs of low-income blacks.

"The leadership has really divorced itself from the African-American grass roots, who are really concerned about the high rates of illegal immigration," Morris said.

The NAACP has joined with pro-immigration Hispanic groups to lobby for a more orderly, open-door immigration policy that allows current illegal immigrants to receive documentation and legally work.

Economists debate the effect that low-skilled, poorly educated illegal immigrants have on the ability of citizens to find jobs.

But some studies suggest that blacks - who as a group tend to be poorer and have less formal education than whites - are hurt by the influx of immigrant workers.

Currently, illegal immigrants cannot fight for higher wages, giving employers an incentive to hire them instead of paying more for low-skilled legal blacks, said Hilary Shelton, the director of the NAACP's Washington bureau.

Giving illegal immigrants legal standing would raise wages in many low-skilled sectors - such as construction or the service industry - and give employers more of an incentive to hire blacks as well as new arrivals, Shelton said.

Some NAACP watchers see other motives behind the group's support of a less restrictive immigration policy.

As the nation's Hispanic population has soared, increasing its political clout, the black population has grown much more slowly.

Years ago, the NAACP was the dominant political force in the civil-rights movement, but the group's influence and membership have dropped, said Robert C. Smith, a political scientist at San Francisco State University.

"In order to advance the civil-rights agenda, they needed to make an alliance with the largest, and fastest growing, minority group in the country, even if they had differences on certain points," said Smith, who has studied the NAACP and black politics extensively. "They're thinking long term."

After the 2000 census showed that Hispanics had moved ahead of blacks as the nation's dominant minority group, "the media tried very hard to frame the growth as a competition between Latinos and blacks," said Cecilia Munoz, the vice president for policy for the National Council of La Raza, the country's largest Hispanic civil-rights group.

Instead of competition, Munoz said, the two sides have increasingly found common ground on such issues as strong voting-right protections, anti-discrimination laws, health-care access and equal education financing.

Bruce Gordon, who became the NAACP's president a year ago, spoke last month to the annual convention of the League of United Latin American Citizens, another influential Hispanic civil-rights group.

La Raza's Munoz said that "having two sides of a minority group with similar goals and a similar agenda means we're a stronger force for change if we work together."

But the NAACP's critics question whether those agendas should be identical, at least on the subject of immigration and jobs.

A poll by the Pew Research Center in April found that four out of five blacks said that jobs were hard to find in their community.

Half of the whites gave that response.

One of three blacks said that immigrants take jobs from American citizens, compared with one of four whites.

Slightly less than a quarter of all blacks said that they or a family member had lost a job to an immigrant.

The NAACP convention will begin Saturday and end Thursday.
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Originally posted by Blake Manner:
I think this article does a lot of improper reasoning to create divide between Blacks and Hispanics. I don't buy into it.


There are a few red herrings and a few 'slippery slopes' in the article, but than again, reality, abounds. The divide between the African American and 'other' groups, exists, pre- this most recent wave of immigrant 'newcomers'; this article is simply pointing out, a variable, which accents group difference, while demonstrating the effect of ws's sweeping impact on culture and class status in the united States.
The divide between the African American and 'other' groups, exists, pre- this most recent wave of immigrant 'newcomers'; this article is simply pointing out, a variable, which accents group difference, while demonstrating the effect of ws's sweeping impact on culture and class status in the united States.---nayo

True.

This behavior is the result of decades, and decades of sociological exporting by the United States government and
European-American individually.

Racism.

I also believe it is a consequence of the racism forced into the psyche of the people of unknown African ancestry by the Europeans who dominated those societies in the application of their application of racism.

The DeGruy-Leary Effect is by no means limited to descendants of America's version of racism against its citizens of (unknown) African ancestry.

We should also be aware that the United States COMPOUNDS this societal STANDARD by forcing/requiring that Hispanics be further defined BY COLOR.

BLACK Hispanics versus 'just regular' Hispanics...

As in Not of African ancestry.

ANYTHING BUT THAT!!!!!

All us of unknown African ancestry have to unlearn that instilled racism against both ourselves, and all those of similar 'circumstance and history'.

Those of known African ancestry have to understand this REALLY is NOT about them, per se.

Their having to endure this societal cancer is a fiat European slavery.

This is about the INSISTENCE of the descendants of Europeans who oppressed demanding that that repression, this dominance, be continued into their lifetimes.

REGARDLESS.

Once again, WE are the best answer to repression forced upon us.

WE HAVE TO DO IT.


PEACE

Jim Chester
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Originally posted by MBM:
My overwhelming response to the article is "so what" and "who cares"? Whether there is any natural affinity between African Americans and Latinos has no bearing on whther we share common interests and can each gain by alligning where it makes sense.




With all due respect, cool, I care; because the recent changes in my arena are greatly impacted by such changes. I will seek to allign my interests with any group, that benefits me; but when it appears otherwise, that's where I step off; for me, this is not a merely 6:00 news flash, I live with it, hopefully for the better. But as history has proven time and again, usually with most social changes in American culture, it is the African American communities, who become the 'cash cow', for others, to benefit. There will be those, enterprising and socially conscious enough, who will be able to reap the rewards of such social changes, but by and large, the African American 'lumpen', stands to suffer.

Those who fail to understand history, are doomed to repeat it.

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