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Dang. There's been too many celebrities dying off: Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, Michael Jackson, Billy Mays and now Steve McNair.

Why couldn't it have been Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or G. Gordon Liddy?


thanks

Decent people and good people often seem to die young while those who make the world worse and commit all manners of evil seem to live to old age and die happy in their beds.

Sometimes it's almost as if higher powers are at work looking out for and protecting the wicked in the world.
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Originally posted by Yemaya:
We were talking about this with the family this afternoon. The majority of my family went to Alcorn State University and some knew him. Sad news. I'm curious as to exactly what happened. There has to be more to this story.


Gurrrlll ... you don't even wanna know! Frown Sad on multiple levels.


Former NFL quarterback McNair killed in Tennessee

By KRISTIN M. HALL, Associated Press Writer




NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Former NFL quarterback Steve McNair, who led the famous Tennessee Titans' drive that came a yard short of forcing overtime in the 2000 Super Bowl, was found dead Saturday with multiple gunshot wounds, including one to the head. Police said a pistol was discovered near the body of a woman also shot dead in a downtown condominium.

Nashville police spokesman Don Aaron identified the woman as 20-year-old Sahel Kazemi, whom he called a "friend" of McNair's. She had a single gunshot wound to the head.

Police said the 36-year-old McNair was found on the sofa in the living room, and Kazemi was very close to him on the floor. Aaron said the gun was not "readily apparent" when police first arrived.

Autopsies were planned for Sunday.

Aaron said McNair's wife, Mechelle, is "very distraught."

"At this juncture, we do not believe she is involved," he said. "Nothing has been ruled out, but as far as actively looking for a suspect tonight, the answer would be no."

Fred McNair, Steve McNair's oldest brother, said some family members likely will travel to Nashville on Monday to consult with Steve McNair's wife.

"It's still kind of hard to believe," Fred McNair said. "He was the greatest person in the world. He gave back to the community. He loved kids and he wanted to be a role model to kids."

He said he did not know who Kazemi was.

The bodies were discovered Saturday afternoon by McNair's longtime friend, Wayne Neeley, who said he rents the condo with McNair.

Aaron said Neeley told authorities he went into the condo, saw McNair on the sofa and Kazemi on the floor but walked first into the kitchen before going back into the living room, where he saw the blood.

Neeley then called a friend, who alerted authorities.

Police said a witness saw McNair arrive at the condo in the upscale Rutledge Hill neighborhood between 1:30 and 2 a.m. Saturday and that Kazemi's vehicle was already there. The condominium is located within walking distance of an area filled with restaurants and nightspots, a few blocks from the Cumberland River and within view of the Titans' stadium.

Two days ago, Nashville police arrested Kazemi on a DUI charge while driving a 2007 Escalade registered to her and McNair. McNair was in the front seat, but didn't break the law and was allowed to leave by taxi.

The arrest affidavit said Kazemi had bloodshot eyes and the smell of alcohol on her breath, but refused a breathalyzer test, saying "she was not drunk, she was high."

McNair and his family frequented the restaurant where Kazemi was a waitress, according employees and patrons of Dave & Buster's in Nashville. Keith Norfleet, Kazemi's ex-boyfriend, told The Tennessean newspaper that McNair and Kazemi met at the restaurant.

"She was reliable 90 percent of the time," manager Chris Truelove said of Kazemi. "She was pretty outgoing. A lot of the guests liked being around her, and she liked being around the guests."

Co-worker Shantez Jobe, 33, she said was friends with Kazemi.

"We talked about who had more fashion sense, and who was the cutest, and who could get more boys, you know some of the stuff girls do," Jobe said.

In June, McNair opened a restaurant near the Tennessee State University campus. It was closed Saturday evening, but had become a small memorial, where flowers, candles and notes had been placed outside the door.

On the restaurant's windows were messages: "We will miss you Steve" and "We love you Steve."

A note attached to a small blue teddy bear read, "We will never forget you, Steve. Once a Titan, always a Titan."

"We don't know the details, but it is a terrible tragedy and our hearts go out to the families involved," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement.

McNair, a four-time Pro Bowl selection, led the Titans to the 2000 Super Bowl, which they lost 23-16 to the St. Louis Rams. He was co-MVP of the NFL with Colts quarterback Peyton Manning in 2003. He also played for the Baltimore Ravens before retiring in April 2008.

His most notable moment came in that Super Bowl, when he led the Titans 87 yards in the final minute and 48 seconds, only to come up a yard short of making it a one-point game. Kevin Dyson caught his 9-yard pass, but was tackled at the 1-yard line by the Rams' Mike Jones. A made extra point in all likelihood would have sent the game to overtime.

McNair accounted for all of Tennessee's yards in that drive, throwing for 48 yards and rushing for 14. The rest of the yardage came on penalties against the Rams. Before that, he brought the Titans back from a 16-0 deficit to tie the game.

"If you were going to draw a football player, the physical part, the mental part, everything about being a professional, he is your guy," former Ravens and Titans teammate Samari Rolle said. "I can't even wrap my arms around it. It is a sad, sad day. The world lost a great man today."

McNair grew up in rural Mount Olive, Miss., and became a nationally known college football star playing for Alcorn State, a Division I-AA school in his home state. He was so dominant in the Southwestern Athletic Conference, he became a Heisman Trophy contender. National media flocked to little Lorman in the southwest corner of the Magnolia state to get a look at "Air McNair." He still holds the Division I-AA (now known as Football Championship Subdivision) records for career yards passing (14,496) and total offense (16,823).

McNair was the third overall draft pick in 1995 by the Houston Oilers, who eventually became the Titans. He finished his career with 31,304 yards passing and 174 touchdowns. McNair's rugged style led to numerous injuries and aches. He played with pain for several years, and the injuries ultimately forced him to retire.

"On the field, there isn't a player that was as tough as him, especially at the quarterback position," the Ravens' Derrick Mason said. "What I have seen him play through on the field, and what he dealt with during the week to get ready for a game, I have never known a better teammate."

During a five-game stretch at the end of the 2002 season, McNair was so bruised he couldn't practice. But he started all five games and won them, leading the Titans to an 11-5 record and a berth in the AFC championship game for the second time in four seasons.

McNair played all 16 games in 2006, his first season in Baltimore, and guided the Ravens to a 13-3 record. But he injured his groin during the season opener in 2007 and never regained the form that put him in those Pro Bowls.

"I am deeply saddened to learn of today's tragic news regarding the death of Steve McNair. He was a player who I admired a great deal," said New England Patriots senior football adviser Floyd Reese, who was GM of the Titans when McNair played for them. "He was a tremendous leader and an absolute warrior. He felt like it was his responsibility to lead by working hard every day, no matter what."

Titans coach Jeff Fisher was out of the country, taking part in the first NFL-USO coaches tour to Iraq.

Ozzie Newsome, Ravens executive vice president and general manager, said he immediately thought of McNair's four sons.

"This is so, so sad. We immediately think of his family, his boys. They are all in our thoughts and prayers," he said "What we admired most about Steve when we played against him was his competitive spirit, and we were lucky enough to have that with us for two years. He is one of the best players in the NFL over the last 20 years."

No funeral arrangements have been made.

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Associated Press Writer Emily Wagster Pettus in Mount Olive, Miss., AP Writers Randall Paul Dickerson and Lucas L. Johnson II in Nashville, Tenn., and AP Sports Writer Teresa Walker in Fort Walton Beach, Fla., contributed to this report.
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Originally posted by Malik:
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Originally posted by ocatchings:
Let's see
Race: White
Age: 20
Occupation: Waitress
Drives: 2007 Escalade
Lives: Upscale neighborhood
Time: 0130 hrs


It adds up to nothing positive sad


She was Persian.


Looks white to me.....but I guess I should have taken the name for what it is worth.
So that adds up to something positive and makes it ok?
Although I know it's too early to speculate, I will go out on a limb and say I believe this was a double murder, not a murder-suicide.

They hadn't been going out long enough for any issue to develop that would lead her to want to kill him. Plus, McNair was lacing her with Escalades and whatnot, so she was upgrading materialistically. She wasn't unhappy with that.

This girl probably had a jealous exboyfriend, or maybe even a pimp -- yes, I said it -- who was mad at her for leaving him. He followed her home, shot her, then shot McNair when he got home. He left the gun to make it look like a suicide.
This might be a possible "Honor Killing". The young Lady is South Asian, who has possibly disrespected her family by having relationships outside of the Family Wishes, so she was probably set up to be killed. It happens all the time in that culture of "Arranged Marrages". McNair probably didn't realize what he was involved in. He was just a big country boy from Mississippi that was swept off his feet by a younger woman of a different culture.

leart
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Although I know it's too early to speculate, I will go out on a limb and say I believe this was a double murder, not a murder-suicide.

They hadn't been going out long enough for any issue to develop that would lead her to want to kill him. Plus, McNair was lacing her with Escalades and whatnot, so she was upgrading materialistically. She wasn't unhappy with that.

This girl probably had a jealous exboyfriend, or maybe even a pimp -- yes, I said it -- who was mad at her for leaving him. He followed her home, shot her, then shot McNair when he got home. He left the gun to make it look like a suicide.


I thought about the bf angle but the cops interviewed the previous boyfriend and said he was not a suspect. Since she is shaping up to be a gold digger could there be another jilted donor in the mix?

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This might be a possible "Honor Killing". The young Lady is South Asian, who has possibly disrespected her family by having relationships outside of the Family Wishes, so she was probably set up to be killed. It happens all the time in that culture of "Arranged Marrages". McNair probably didn't realize what he was involved in. He was just a big country boy from Mississippi that was swept off his feet by a younger woman of a different culture.


Never looked at that........................................... but.................... 19

They haven't said anything about a break in so I guess that would mean an inner circle.
I don't really know, but in my opinion there is a high probability that this was an Honor Thingy. These type of Killings are not uncommon. They are not notices as much in the West because some of these Children are American Born, and don't have those close Cultural Ties that some of the elders have, but many of their countrymen still practice the "oldways".

In some cases they may import a relative from the old Country, or someplace Abroad to do the killing. that was so it wouldn't be connected to any relatives located in this country or near the scene. All of her close ethnic associates probably have good alibi's.

To extend the Theory a bit further, how many Indians do you know that are married to African Americans? The one's that are, would be very low in the "Caste" System, but they say they don't have that form of descrimination anymore in south Asia, but you didn't hear that from me.

leart
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Originally posted by ocatchings:
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Originally posted by Malik:
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Originally posted by ocatchings:
Let's see
Race: White
Age: 20
Occupation: Waitress
Drives: 2007 Escalade
Lives: Upscale neighborhood
Time: 0130 hrs


It adds up to nothing positive sad


She was Persian.


Looks white to me.....but I guess I should have taken the name for what it is worth.
So that adds up to something positive and makes it ok?
If by white you mean all peoples under the rubric of Caucasian, Persians are white. If by white one means Western Europeans, then she is not. The honor killing thing, however, is an interesting theory. I would not feel comfortable, however, pursuing it unless I knew more about the families religious tradition, particularly ethnic community, and how many generations they have been in the US.
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Originally posted by kresge:
The honor killing thing, however, is an interesting theory. I would not feel comfortable, however, pursuing it unless I knew more about the families religious tradition, particularly ethnic community, and how many generations they have been in the US.
I doubt it's an honor killing. From the looks of things, she was as Americanized as you can get, and probably had a long history of doing things that would have warranted an honor killing prior to meeting McNair. She seemed to have gotten into the "girls gone wild" kind of lifestyle, and probably got mixed up with enough shady people that one of them was capable of doing this.
Police: Ex-NFL star McNair's girlfriend bought gun


(CNN) -- The pistol found at the scene of the shooting that killed former NFL quarterback Steve McNair and his girlfriend was purchased by the woman two nights before, police said Monday.

McNair, 36, and Sahel Kazemi, 20, were found fatally shot in a condominium in downtown Nashville, Tennessee, on Saturday afternoon. McNair was shot twice in the head and twice in the chest, and Kazemi was shot once in the head, authorities said.

Police found a semiautomatic pistol beneath Kazemi's body and determined that she bought it Thursday night, Nashville Metropolitan Police Department Spokesman Don Aaron said Monday. He said he didn't know whether it was a legal purchase but noted that Kazemi wouldn't meet the age requirement for a permit to carry a handgun, which is 21.

Officials are calling McNair's death a homicide but are awaiting results from ballistics and gunshot residue tests before classifying Kazemi's death.

The pistol was purchased Thursday evening, hours after Kazemi -- who was accompanied by McNair in a Cadillac Escalade he had purchased for her -- was pulled over in a traffic stop and charged with driving under the influence. McNair was allowed to leave the scene in a taxi after Kazemi was given a field sobriety test.

Kazemi told the officer that she was "high" from a "hookah situation," Aaron said. VideoWatch Aaron talk about the crime and McNair's relationship with Kazemi »

McNair, a married father of four, and Kazemi were dating, police have said.

Police found their bodies in the condo -- leased to McNair and his friend Wayne Neeley -- about 1:30 p.m. Saturday.

The two had been dead for "a period of hours" before Neeley, who had to use a key to enter the building, discovered the clothed bodies Saturday afternoon, Aaron said. Neeley then called his friend Robert Gaddy, who arrived at the condo and called police.

Investigators are trying to pinpoint how much time elapsed between the bodies being discovered and the phone call to police.

"We believe it could have been 40 minutes or even longer," Aaron said, adding, "Suffice it to say we are concerned about the time that elapsed between the discovery of the bodies and the time the 911 call was made."

Asked whether the crime scene was "cleaned up" before police arrived, Aaron replied, "I would disagree that the crime scene was 'cleaned up.' "

Aaron said Kazemi's ex-boyfriend also was questioned as part of the investigation but was allowed to go home.

Witnesses told police that McNair had been at the Blue Moon Lagoon Bar and the Loser's Bar -- both Nashville establishments -- late Friday into early Saturday, Aaron said. Staff and management of both bars will be interviewed, he said.

McNair spent 13 seasons in the NFL, most with the Tennessee Titans. He was named the NFL's co-MVP in 2003 and spent his last two seasons with the Baltimore Ravens, before announcing his retirement in April 2008.

The Titans reached the Super Bowl in 2000, losing to the St. Louis Rams.

Former Titans teammate Eddie George said Monday that he did not want to judge McNair for the extramarital affair.

"We all make mistakes we all wish we could go back on, but I'm not here to dwell on that," he said. "I'm here to celebrate the life of a dear friend and teammate."

Titans coach Jeff Fisher, who said he knew McNair for 15 years, said Monday that McNair would want people to remember him for his athleticism and what he did for the community.

"My hope is that Steve will be remembered -- and also forgiven -- but remembered for what he did and what he meant to this organization," Fisher said.

McNair attended Alcorn State in Mississippi.



Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/....shooting/index.html
Don't be so quick to make McNair a herob
y Jason Whitlock

Jason Whitlock brings his edgy and thought-provoking style to FOXSports.com. Columnist for the Kansas City Star, he has won the National Journalism Award for Commentary for "his ability to seamlessly integrate sports and social commentary and to challenge widely held assumptions along the racial divide."

We can quit calling Steve McNair a great leader now. Leadership starts at home.

And I'm no longer all that interested in hearing about the community service work McNair did in Tennessee and Mississippi. Service to community begins at home, too.


If you read this column regularly, you know I'm not the morality police, you know I'm far from bothered by McNair's May-December romance and you probably should've surmised I get my "Becky on" from time to time.

Stop reading now if your preference is sugar-coated, politically-correct, phony-ass pontificating. You can find plenty of that garbage littering the Internet.

I'm going to get knee deep in this Steve McNair tragedy and what it really signifies.

Until the police wrap up their investigation, I'm only willing to acknowledge four victims — McNair's four sons.

I don't know how to classify the adults in this saga — McNair, his wife Mechelle or his 20-year-old girlfriend, Sahel "Jenny" Kazemi.

The kids, they're victims of two horrific crimes: 1. the murder of their father; 2. their father's apparent abandonment so that he had time to wine, dine, vacation and shack up with his jump-off.

Let me repeat, I'm not some sanctimonious moralizer.

Personally, I prefer June-December romances, but a blossoming May flower certainly could be fertilized into a special, 28-year-old bouquet by a patient and attentive gardener.

As for the life-experience, station-in-life disparity between a retired millionaire quarterback and a Dave & Buster's waitress, well, let he who has never Captained cast the first hoe.

Every man I know has a little Captain in him. We see a pretty young thang working her way through nursing or cosmetology school and it's just in our nature to pay a cellphone bill, a car note or get her nails done.

It's what we do. And if you've earned a chunk of change in professional sports or in corporate America, you might buy a big black Escalade in her name, fly her to Vegas or go parasailing over the ocean.

It's not a black or white thing. It's not an athlete thing. It's a man thing we haven't been able to shake since Eve gave us an apple.

The look of pure, unadulterated joy on McNair's face captured as he and Jenny parasailed is one every real man recognizes as the uncontrollable feeling of elation that gushes through the male, middle-aged body when he finds the Tenderoni Bobby Brown sang about.


Latest from Whitlock Sins of the father: Steve McNair may have been a leader on the field, but off it he neglected the most important thing in life.
Do not read this as me condoning McNair's extramarital affair. I'm not.

But we don't know the nature of Steve and Mechelle McNair's relationship. We don't know what made them happy, what agreement they reached or what was transpiring in their marriage.

What we do know is that McNair had four sons. And based on the observations and comments of Kazemi's neighbors and neighbors at the condominium McNair rented, McNair spent so much time with Kazemi over the past few months that people assumed they lived together.

You see, this is my problem with McNair, with American men as a whole.

We shirk our responsibilities as fathers. We don't have time for it. We think it's a part- or no-time job. We think our career is more important. We think charity work is more important. We think some young tail is more important.

We foolishly believe we're unnecessary in the rearing of children. This mindset must die.

I pass no judgment on McNair kicking it with a woman 16 years his junior. I don't agree with it, but I pass no judgment on McNair "cheating" on his wife.

However, I think it's ridiculous and embarrassing that he spent so much time chasing after a Nashville waitress that he created the impression he lived with her.

Many have tried, but you can't maintain two homes, two families. If HBO has shown us anything, it's that kids are the losers when it comes to Big Love.

You can't live with a waitress in a condo/apartment, take her parasailing, clubbing, to Vegas and raise a brood of boys living in a home on the other side of town.




You can e-mail Jason Whitlock at ballstate0@aol.com.
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Originally posted by leart:
I don't really know, but in my opinion there is a high probability that this was an Honor Thingy. These type of Killings are not uncommon. They are not notices as much in the West because some of these Children are American Born, and don't have those close Cultural Ties that some of the elders have, but many of their countrymen still practice the "oldways".

In some cases they may import a relative from the old Country, or someplace Abroad to do the killing. that was so it wouldn't be connected to any relatives located in this country or near the scene. All of her close ethnic associates probably have good alibi's.

To extend the Theory a bit further, how many Indians do you know that are married to African Americans? The one's that are, would be very low in the "Caste" System, but they say they don't have that form of descrimination anymore in south Asia, but you didn't hear that from me.

leart


First of all, Persians aren't Indians. Iran neighbors Iraq. Second of all, I literally have dozens of Persian friends and acquaintances, some recent immigrants, some second and third generation Americans, and so-called "honor killing" is unheard of. Murder over religion and politics, yes, but sex? Hunh-unh. Her family might disown her if they're especially conservative, but no way they take a hit out on her.
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Originally posted by ocatchings:
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Originally posted by Malik:
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Originally posted by ocatchings:
Let's see
Race: White
Age: 20
Occupation: Waitress
Drives: 2007 Escalade
Lives: Upscale neighborhood
Time: 0130 hrs


It adds up to nothing positive sad


She was Persian.


Looks white to me.....but I guess I should have taken the name for what it is worth.
So that adds up to something positive and makes it ok?


She looks brown to me. Look at that nose and skin tone, especially the nose. And her name is definitely not European.
fro It is FOLKS like Jason who need their azzes whipped. No body gives a sweet fock what HE thinks happened or who he feels are the victims. Two people are DEAD here. Can Jason bring em back? Hell to the focking Nawl.... I know Jason....unless you know something that can bring closure and resolution...if not shut the fock up! Cuz what goes around...will definitely pass your way. Frown You are NOT invincible my friend. Nope! Not in the least. Keep livin or for a better word Watch! sck

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Hey y'all. Just wanted to comment on this situation. There will be some additional information coming out on this case. For one thing, McNair and his wife were in the process of getting a divorce. Then the fact that his 'roomate' came into the condo and didn't see them or smell them dead is disturbing. But as I stated before more information is involved in this case than what is being reported.

And Jason Whitlock really doesn't know what in the world he's talking about. As usual.
Whitlock... Roll Eyes

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Until the police wrap up their investigation, I'm only willing to acknowledge four victims — McNair's four sons.

How can he not acknowledge that McNair is a victim??? The man didn't shoot himself!

In his twisted world, it's perfectly justifiable to gun down a Black man in cold blood because he was a neglectful father.

This is typical Whitlock though. He always gets a tingle in his nuts when a Black man is murdered. Then he has to stretch his brain to find any concievable justification for it. Then he's gotta go beat off while spouting this silliness on his blog through a hands-free mic.
Police: McNair shot dead in sleep by girlfriend

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - Former NFL star Steve McNair was shot dead in his sleep last week by a 20-year-old girlfriend distraught about mounting financial problems and her belief that he was seeing someone else, police said Wednesday.

Sahel Kazemi "was spinning out of control" when she shot McNair four times as he dozed on a sofa early Saturday, then turned the gun on herself, Police Chief Ronal Serpas said.

Interviews with friends revealed that she was making payments on two cars, her rent was doubling and she suspected the married McNair was having a second affair with another young woman.

She told a friend on Friday that "My life is a ball of s--- and I should end it," Serpas said.

Police earlier had labeled McNair's death a homicide, but waited for further tests and the revelations about Kazemi's personal problems before concluding that she pulled the trigger of a 9 mm semiautomatic pistol in a condominium McNair rented with a friend.

McNair, 36, a quarterback for the Tennessee Titans most of his career, met Kazemi six months ago at a sports cafe where she was a waitress and his family often ate. She seemed happy and eager to build a life with him, but something went wrong.

"We do know that she was clearly sending a message during the last five to seven days of her life that things were going bad quickly," Serpas said, though there was no indication she told anyone she planned to harm McNair.

Serpas said detectives learned that Kazemi recently found out about another young woman she thought McNair was romantically involved with and had even followed that woman home, though she did not confront her.

Serpas said police believe McNair was asleep when he was killed because there were no defensive wounds. After shooting McNair in the head, Kazemi apparently shot him twice in the chest before shooting him again in the head.

Before shooting herself, she sat next to his body and "tried to stage it so she would fall in his lap," Serpas said. She did, but her body slid to the floor and ended up at McNair's feet. The gun was found underneath her.

Kazemi's family told reporters that the woman was so confident McNair was divorcing his wife of 12 years that she was preparing to sell her furniture and move in with him.

But associate Mike Mu, who has worked with McNair's charitable association for years, said earlier Wednesday that McNair's wife, Mechelle McNair, "didn't know who this girl is." No records of divorce proceedings have surfaced. The McNairs have four children.

Two days before the shooting, police stopped Kazemi driving a Cadillac Escalade sport utility vehicle that McNair had given her for her birthday in May.

According to an arrest affidavit, Kazemi had bloodshot eyes and alcohol on her breath. She refused a breath test and told an officer "she was not drunk, she was high." She was charged with DUI. McNair was with her but not charged. He later made her bail.

Police are awaiting toxicology reports on both bodies.

Serpas said that even though both her name and McNair's were on the Cadillac's title, she was apparently responsible for making payments. She was also making payments on another car after she couldn't sell it.

Kazemi had no history of violence, but "on the last several days of her life it's obvious that she made some very poor decisions," Serpas said.

Mechelle McNair has not spoken publicly since the shooting. Bishop Joseph W. Walker III of Mount Zion Baptist Church, which the McNairs have attended since moving to Nashville in 1997, said Wednesday that she is doing as well as can be expected.

"Her faith is what's sustaining her now," he said. "We haven't talked about the circumstances of his death. She is processing it in a private way. It's obviously devastating on so many levels."
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
Perhaps this story will serve as a lesson for other mid-life-crisis-gripped gentlemen who think that chasing 19/20-year-old (i.e., Psycho-Fatal Attraction) pootang around is a good idea!! Eek


Spoken like a woman! 20

Crazy (which she was) is not age-specific. He should have told her the truth from day one and let her decide if she wanted to be the chick on the side (of the moment).

At any rate, McNair was human, did many good things along with some bad. May he rest in peace.
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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Originally posted by shulamite:

Serpas said that even though both her name and McNair's were on the Cadillac's title, she was apparently responsible for making payments. She was also making payments on another car after she couldn't sell it.




Dang, he didn't even pay his p***y bill? ek


STOP!!!!! *dead*
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Originally posted by ddouble:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
Perhaps this story will serve as a lesson for other mid-life-crisis-gripped gentlemen who think that chasing 19/20-year-old (i.e., Psycho-Fatal Attraction) pootang around is a good idea!! Eek


Spoken like a woman! 20

Crazy (which she was) is not age-specific. He should have told her the truth from day one and let her decide if she wanted to be the chick on the side (of the moment).

At any rate, McNair was human, did many good things along with some bad. May he rest in peace.


That's because we're always looking out to protect you in spite of yourselves! Big Grin

"Crazy" may have not be age-specific, but certain factors increase the probability of you encountering it substantially, when you mix immaturity, inexperience, lies, unpredictability, star-struck infatuation and a little psychosis with (extreme) youth!! Eek

And having a 19/20-year-old mistress has ALL those ingredients for that recipe for disaster!

Hopefully, you and your peers ... er, I mean ... men in that age group and/or predicament will get the hint! Razz
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by ddouble:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
Perhaps this story will serve as a lesson for other mid-life-crisis-gripped gentlemen who think that chasing 19/20-year-old (i.e., Psycho-Fatal Attraction) pootang around is a good idea!! Eek


Spoken like a woman! 20

Crazy (which she was) is not age-specific. He should have told her the truth from day one and let her decide if she wanted to be the chick on the side (of the moment).

At any rate, McNair was human, did many good things along with some bad. May he rest in peace.


That's because we're always looking out to try to protect you in spite of yourselves! Big Grin

"Crazy" may have not be age-specific, but certain factors increase the probability of you encountering it substantially, when you mix immaturity, inexperience, lies, unpredictability, star-struck infatuation and a little psychosis with (extreme) youth!! Eek

And having a 19/20-year-old mistress has ALL those ingredients for that recipe for disaster!

Hopefully, you and your peers ... er, I mean ... men in that age group and/or predicament will get the hint! Razz
It appears as if this situation was well planned, and over several weeks time. First off, all the information the Police is getting on this Case is from the people who may have been involved. At least, the Co-owner of the Condo, and the un-named Relative seem to be the only sources of info, other than the Corner, and the Police that made observations at the scene.

It defies Logic that a 20 year old girl would kill someone she only knew for a few months, and turnaround and kill herself. There is no logic to that scenario. I haven't read any articles on the situation, and I haven't heard where the police had identified the girls family, or her History. I know she worked as a waitress, but at 20 years old, was she a student,, and why wasn't she living at home, if her home was in the area, or how did she end up in Nashville. Why aren't the writing News Stories on this case, Any TMZ or National Enq Research on this Story, not that I've heard.

There was a no-name relative that suppose to have said that she bought a gun from an unknown person, but that sounds very convient. But I didn't hear where she asked her what she bought the gun for, or why would she buy a gun off the street when it could have been used in a Crime that could be traced to her. Especially since she was stopped by the Police for DWI recently. What if she had had a hot gun on her at the time? There is no logic to any of that stuff.

What about the person who enter the Condo and found the bodies, but indicated he saw them in the Living Room as they appeared to be sleeping. If he came in the house, he had to have spoke to identify himself to let them know it was not a break in. Plus the fact, if he saw them he would have known that something wasn't right since both were shot in the head and there had to be blood all over their heads. Plus the fact there was an indication that the girl was laying at Mcnair's feet, so he couldn't have observed them sleeping. Plus he indicated that he went directly to the kitchen, and didn't contact McNair's friend for 45 minutes, so he said. Why didn't he contact the police first? Plus the fact, the first Police that arrived on the scene indicated that it appeared as if they had been dead for some time, not in the time indicated by the witness.

All i'm saying is that the whole situation just don't add up, but to answer your question about McNaib being included, that is what is allowing the Police to accept the Case as a Murder Suicide, plus the fact that it's a Black in the South, and they don't care one way or the other. Don't forget that unknown relative indicated that the unknown parents were against the girl and McNair being in a relationship. The Honor Killings that i've known didn't involved the Men either, but none involved Blacks either. While i'm talking like she is South Asian, she might be Middle Eastern, which is a different Culture. Her name appears to be Indian, but she might not be. But keep one thing in mind, you rarely see a Black Married to Fair Skinned Indians or Fair Skinned Middle Easterners.

Just an add on; when have you ever seen a Murder case where there is no history of the person committing the act. There is no indication as to who they are, who the relatives are, where they are, and what they do.

leart
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Originally posted by leart:
It appears as if this situation was well planned, and over several weeks time. First off, all the information the Police is getting on this Case is from the people who may have been involved. At least, the Co-owner of the Condo, and the un-named Relative seem to be the only sources of info, other than the Corner, and the Police that made observations at the scene.

It defies Logic that a 20 year old girl would kill someone she only knew for a few months, and turnaround and kill herself. There is no logic to that scenario. I haven't read any articles on the situation, and I haven't heard where the police had identified the girls family, or her History. I know she worked as a waitress, but at 20 years old, was she a student,, and why wasn't she living at home, if her home was in the area, or how did she end up in Nashville. Why aren't the writing News Stories on this case, Any TMZ or National Enq Research on this Story, not that I've heard.

There was a no-name relative that suppose to have said that she bought a gun from an unknown person, but that sounds very convient. But I didn't hear where she asked her what she bought the gun for, or why would she buy a gun off the street when it could have been used in a Crime that could be traced to her. Especially since she was stopped by the Police for DWI recently. What if she had had a hot gun on her at the time? There is no logic to any of that stuff.

What about the person who enter the Condo and found the bodies, but indicated he saw them in the Living Room as they appeared to be sleeping. If he came in the house, he had to have spoke to identify himself to let them know it was not a break in. Plus the fact, if he saw them he would have known that something wasn't right since both were shot in the head and there had to be blood all over their heads. Plus the fact there was an indication that the girl was laying at Mcnair's feet, so he couldn't have observed them sleeping. Plus he indicated that he went directly to the kitchen, and didn't contact McNair's friend for 45 minutes, so he said. Why didn't he contact the police first? Plus the fact, the first Police that arrived on the scene indicated that it appeared as if they had been dead for some time, not in the time indicated by the witness.

All i'm saying is that the whole situation just don't add up, but to answer your question about McNaib being included, that is what is allowing the Police to accept the Case as a Murder Suicide, plus the fact that it's a Black in the South, and they don't care one way or the other. Don't forget that unknown relative indicated that the unknown parents were against the girl and McNair being in a relationship. The Honor Killings that i've known didn't involved the Men either, but none involved Blacks either. While i'm talking like she is South Asian, she might be Middle Eastern, which is a different Culture. Her name appears to be Indian, but she might not be. But keep one thing in mind, you rarely see a Black Married to Fair Skinned Indians or Fair Skinned Middle Easterners.

Just an add on; when have you ever seen a Murder case where there is no history of the person committing the act. There is no indication as to who they are, who the relatives are, where they are, and what they do.

leart


Much food for thought.. I've asked about the room mate before and wondered what the reason for the 40 minute delay was about.... this is an unsettling case... I appreciate the break down... you've said some things I've thought about too... Sad all around.. :-(
There is no doubt about it, her activities were bringing shame on the family, and at 20 years old and getting worse, sharing an apartment, and just working in a Nightclub, with no plans for a meaningful career, she was going down hill fast, and all of that was making the family look bad. She may have also violated an Arranged Marriage, but it is kind of odd that no hot shot reporter has wrote a story yet on her family and her background.

At 20 years old she was probably born in this country, and grew up like a lot of other unrully american kids, because she should be in school at 20 years old, but she's probably been a loose cannon every since she's been out of High School.

leart

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