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I don't get it, no one made 50cent make this movie so why are black people getting mad at the movie studio? It's not news to us by now that Hollywood loves to only show negative images of us so that shouldn't be suprising. The question is: Why do our people keep making crap like this? Films like this make us look stupid but complaining on TV that it's Paramounts fault for the movie poster images and the film content is insane.
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movies like this does not make anyone black look stupid unless they are going down the street imitating that schit....and then it is only that individual that looks stupid......if that was the case...blue collar humor on comedy central makes the white race look stupid....I do not bear the burden of the ignorant in my race...and I would suggest other blacks quit feeling that way if they do......many of us do not even speak of ourselves as equals......I don't have to, I know I am equal to anyone....give a schit what their clor is....
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
movies like this does not make anyone black look stupid unless they are going down the street imitating that schit....and then it is only that individual that looks stupid......if that was the case...blue collar humor on comedy central makes the white race look stupid....I do not bear the burden of the ignorant in my race...and I would suggest other blacks quit feeling that way if they do......many of us do not even speak of ourselves as equals......I don't have to, I know I am equal to anyone....give a schit what their clor is....
It's not about the images that white people make of themselves, this is about us. Who cares what they do. Just because you don't live the lifestyle of the people in those movies/songs doesn't mean that you don't feel the backlash of negative images they dsplay about our people and the racial profiling we face daily and YES people ARE walking down the street doing the same dumb crap they see/hear in the movies/music.
why is it that black people are held to a higher level of scrutiny for everything than anyone else? entertainment is just that....entertainment....hell I went to a play for the first time and that schit was a reinforcement of every ignorant azz streotype for black people also.....why is it not beaten down like rap...or rock and roll songs that suggest suicide, devil worship, drug use and everything else....i don't know about everyone else black but i'l be damned if i carry the baggage for the unscrupulous behavior of others...the shit is just entertainment and once the song goes off I could give a f-k less about what a rapper drives, drinks or fucks....and to me.....THAT is the problem....we have allowed others to label that bullschit black culture....as opposed to the music of a Wynton Marsalis or Grover Washington......I do not see that schit being used to portray us as classy and laid back....and many many blacks like that type of music...i find it dull as all get-out and I used to play it....but nevertheless classy....why can't black culture be as I see it...which is excelling despite odds against you? I guess that would not afford many to look down on us the way they would like to.... bang
Blacknite:

You have to understand the CONDITION that some people who tend to focus their blame this way suffer from.

You see for every offensive movie depicting Black folks is a CAST OF SAMBOS who are eager to liquidate our racial consciousness for their personal profit.

Sadly these people will experience little or no criticism. Based on my recent travel overseas I have LITTLE DOUBT that more people around the world know who 50 Cent and R. Kelly are than they know who CONDI RICE is. Even in a non-English speaking country the SAMBO IMAGES were presented and they spanned the language gap.

As I told you previously SOME members of the Black community only go after issues that can galvanize the masses. Pointing the finger at Black folks and asking them (minus "Conservative Blacks") to change does not have the "legs" as going after White folks does.
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
movies like this does not make anyone black look stupid unless they are going down the street imitating that schit....and then it is only that individual that looks stupid......if that was the case...blue collar humor on comedy central makes the white race look stupid....I do not bear the burden of the ignorant in my race...and I would suggest other blacks quit feeling that way if they do......many of us do not even speak of ourselves as equals......I don't have to, I know I am equal to anyone....give a schit what their clor is....


I think I understand what you're trying to say Kevin41. A movie is a movie, it isn't art imitating life. However, from my point of view, we don't have the luxury of that perfectly logical rationale, in light of the barrage of negativity about us that is regularly highlighted in mainstream media.

As burdensome as it may be, celebrities of color have to weigh the consequences to the community-at-large of cartoonish roles offered to them, despite the megabuck payday. They won't, or they won't always, even though it impacts us all. We can, and do, explain that a movie or a video is just that. But white folks, still consider the most base depictions of Black life as the indicative of all Black life, though not believing in the same about white people.

Those Black celebs whose consciousness (if they ever had it) has been over-ruled by cash have no sense of their own power and complicity in shaping the image of Black folks.

The unalike holds the purse strings, but because he/she is getting the change that drops out, criticism is quickly dismissed as jealousy. It's easier to justify their buckdancing than to examine the unintended consequences that may result.
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A movie is a movie, it isn't art imitating life.


This would be true IF these SAMBOS were not getting away with what they are doing ONLY BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK.

I would love to see the reaction if Eminem, Paul Wall and other WHITE rappers got together to make a film in which THEY made heavy use of the world "Nigger", strong references to how THEY were modeling themselves after Black people that they resepct - which turned out to be Pimps, Hustlers and Gangsters.

WE WOULD THEN SEE THAT THESE BLACK SAMBO ENTERTAINERS ARE ONLY GETTING AWAY WITH WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE THE BLACK COMMUNITY IS SILENT ABOUT WHAT THEY DO.

You all don't realize how much of a GLOBAL image is created by these SAMBO entertainers for the rest of the world to evaluate how Black people are and what our character is based on these images.

I am still amazed how you all can be so blood thirsty at going after Condi Rice, a Black woman who his forcing male biggots around the world that a woman is much more than a person who must walk one pace behind them BUT BE SO ACCOMMODATING of these people who are spreading a certain COON image of Black folks around the world like the pending avian flu epidemic.
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The unalike holds the purse strings, but because he/she is getting the change that drops out, criticism is quickly dismissed as jealousy. It's easier to justify their buckdancing than to examine the unintended consequences that may result.



Isome,

That statement reminds me of the movie Bamboozled when the street dancers were brought in and given clothes and food and a nice place....then the crime of the conscience started to catch up with them....i could see if rap was not a realistic perception of the lives of some...and I really think house negroes and some racists do not want to be reminded of the black plight on a daily basis......but i do agree that many would like to see us socially engineered into those very roles and lifestyles 50cent sings about....it is a catch-22 to me.......but I feel ya on the points you made...i really do..........
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Those Black celebs whose consciousness (if they ever had it) has been over-ruled by cash have no sense of their own power and complicity in shaping the image of Black folks.



Why do black celebrities have the burden of 'shaping' black image?

If Celebrities did put their foot down and promote consciousness in every single TV comercial, sitcom, movie, play/screenwrite, film, how far would it go in 'shaping' the black image?

Who are WE convincing, and what are we convincing them? The image that many are suggesting that we 'promote' is a visod. We are a complex race with complex consciousness and complex spirituality. Their is diversity within our race, That IS the IMAGE we should be promiting.

We gave them the Cosby show... and?...
WE have current actors playing Doctors, Detectives, Forensic analyst, blue collar workers, and various other desirable outcomes for black family and black life. You don't see us tap dancing on CBS. You see compassionate fathers and families.

How do the current actors/actoresess fair in your view of the Image that we are promoting? I'm watching the V-tech game right now, and I can't help but note how the Black commentator articulates his assesment of the game in a very educated manner. Some of us may not be impressed by the black newcast journalist, reporters, anchors and analyst on Fox News and other channels. Aren't they also promoting an image?

The answer is No. Not in your view, and not in a white viewers perception. The Cosby's, and all the other accomplished images in the celebrity world will always be viewed as EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE..... EVEN BY OUR OWN!!!

So I say, screw the media induced image, and keep doing what we are doing. Which is showing the world some very successful images, across the board.
I think there is a bigger issue here. Why is there a market for such a movie? Would Paramount make a movie if "we" didn't rush out to see it? I often hear complaints about studios' refusal to produce and promote good black movies. But when "good" movies come out we don't go to see them en masse. It's in unfortunate that most of the black movie-goers are young people looking for action flicks that they feel they can relate to. "KnowImean?"
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Originally posted by Warren:
I think there is a bigger issue here. Why is there a market for such a movie? Would Paramount make a movie if "we" didn't rush out to see it? I often hear complaints about studios' refusal to produce and promote good black movies. But when "good" movies come out we don't go to see them en masse.


I'm not sure about movies, but I do know that with gangsta rap the audience it is marketed to are white surburban teenagers, not Black kids anywhere. They have the most discretionary cash and will spend it on gangsta rap music, not rap by Black consciousness raising artists.
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Originally posted by HeruStar:
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Those Black celebs whose consciousness (if they ever had it) has been over-ruled by cash have no sense of their own power and complicity in shaping the image of Black folks.



Why do black celebrities have the burden of 'shaping' black image?


Because they have a broad stage on which to do so and the negative imagery of Black folks comes from multiple sources (broadcast & print media, Hollywood, etc.).

We shouldn't have to do it, but we need to do it for all our sake. It is a burden that doesn't seem so bad to me, but I'm not an entertainer, so I wouldn't know how they feel about it.

Historically we have never been of one mind about the issue, because there have always been entertainers who believe that getting paid is all that matters, and their supporters who agree. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
No matter what we do, or what movie we make, there will always be people in the black community, who will scrutinize every detail and facet of the movie that doesn't fall in line with an imposed solidified 'Black ideology/consciousness'.

I'm all about consciousness and solidarity, but we need to seperate politics from entertainment. It's not fair to the community, and it's not fair to the artist. I think our intellectuals are being extremely pretentious when they super-impose their ideological values into a very diverse community, as it relates to our entertainment preferences. I think they are highly hypocritcal and superficial when they try to dispose of the 'hip-hop' or 'thug' image in the black community, because in doing so, they condone and agree with what the WHITE media thinks a THUG or BLACK man is. Instead of standing up for ourselves, and sticking up for ourselves, we point the finger at the 'few' that we think are 'wayward, in order to promote what we/THEY think is consciousness. It seems like the solidarity or consciousness that we choose to promote has to be agreeable with what a white man thinks consciousness is.

We seek political affirmation and approval from OUTSIDERS who do not understand, nor have a desire to acknowledge the DIVERSITY in the BLACK community. They CHOOSE to LABEL and we condone it by CHASTISING our own every chance we get.

AM I THE ONLY ONE DISGUSTED?!
It's a good thing that Bill Cosby has never placed a billboard like this next to a high school that had gang problems and had JUST kicked off their "Anti-Gun Violence" campaign after seeing several of their beloved students - who were somebody's "baby" die needlessly due to guns. If Cosby did it more people whould be outraged. td6

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It's a good thing that Bill Cosby has never placed a billboard like this next to a high school that had gang problems and had JUST kicked off their "Anti-Gun Violence" campaign after seeing several of their beloved students - who were somebody's "baby" die needlessly due to guns. If Cosby did it more people whould be outraged.



What's an outrage is how the community can rally together to deprive children of entertainment, because they feel it is negative. I guess the superficial naysayers know what's best for the community. It's proven to this day that they have flooded the schools with more than enough alternatives than the students could keep up with. Not only that, they've successfully rallied behind getting them a quality education...

Oh and those conservatives, they definitely know what's best, they've downsized on building youth centers in order to build correctional facilities in order to clean up the streets, not knowing that when we take away one outlet/entertainment facility without replacing it with better alternatives we only perpetuate a vicious cycle of having to continue to build more and more correctional facilities.

So their success story this weak is a FREAKIN' BILLBOARD!! Wow.... now that's psychotic

PATHETIC!!!
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Originally posted by Faheem:
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No, it wasn't a certain group or organization, it was some people in a black neighborhood in L.A. that had a billboard for the film.


So now we get the truth, they were not angry about thee movie, they were angry about the Billboard and rightfully so.

BIllboard story
What I said was also the "truth". I WATCHED this on the news, I know what was said.

Anyway, the billboard is justthe tip of the iceburg. WE need to stop making/seeing these types of movies. We are the audience for this stuff and if we stop taking the parts, stop writing the scripts, stop paying for tickets the movies will go away. We have to get beyond this "it has black people in/on it so I will check it out" stuff. These negative images and songs do nothing positive for us as a people.
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WE need to stop making/seeing these types of movies.


Why?...


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These negative images and songs do nothing positive for us as a people.


Arguing the negative...



Explain to me when where and how do these movies show a manifest negative impact on the community. Describe to me the social ills and injustices that these movies CONSTRUCT in our communities.

Who represents the true progenitors of this negative IMAGE? (if there is one)

For instance...
in 'Get Rich or Die Tryin'

Who do you feel is responsible for strategically constructing the poverty within the community? Who are the true architechs of the 'dope game'? Who do you hold responsible for taming and containing the niggas just enough to be able to confine them to the hood?

It's on very very minute slice of the American dream placed in the hood... Who do you think put that slice there? Brothas like 50cent are a product of their environment (WHICH THEY DID NOT CREATE).

Brothas like 50cent have obtained that very minute slice... Instead of focusing on the maldistribution of the AMERICAN DREAM... conservatives would rather critique people like 50cent and urge them to share that minute slice with the community.

MOVIES like 'Get Rich or Die Trying' are NEEDED... NEEDED... NEEDED...

Because like Nmaginate would say 'I'm from the school of YOU CAN'T BE THAT DAMN DUMB!'. Eventually reason will take over the masses and we will cease internalizing the black predicament and place our attention where it NEEDS to be placed... Which is on the White people who created this MATRIX like world, richly founded and grounded in unequality.

Just chew for a minute
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What's an outrage is how the community can rally together to deprive children of entertainment, because they feel it is negative.



HeurStar:

You are an intersting one, indeed.

You say that the "CONSERVATIVES" have scaled back youth centers? Really?
In Clayton County Georgia there is a new assembly of Black leaders running the county. Not a "Conservative" among them yet the county is without sufficient community centers.
After an influx of gang violence there were several community meetings held and the community centers were promised. To date all of the centers that were promised have not come on line as individual incidents of youth crime and violence continue.

Where are the "boogieman Conservatives" here HeurStar? Or do you create some even when they are not around in order to have mental pacification?

Your comments of depriving entertainment needs to be placed into the context of OPPORTUNITY COST. Many of these same children that you desire to see this film have enough images of violence, materialism and lust ingrained in them to not need a second helping as they actual pay someone to further condition them. What they do often lack, however is the academic and social basis that will allow them to compete with groups of other children as they pass the finish line of high school and queue up at the starting line of the rest of their life - including college or immediate employment. The time spent doing this "entertainment" that you suggest and "living the life" that surrounds what is projected in the movie is time that IS NOT SPENT preparing themselves for the reality that they will face in the rest of their lives, their focus being on everything BUT what they need to do.

Assuming what you say is correct with respect to resources - as Shelby Steele says - the burden of these people to make maximum use of the limited resources that they do have, translating them to something productive will be disproportionally carried on the backs of these same people. To blast these same people with IGNORANT images only insures that they will remain as they are.

50 Cent has nearly zero socially redeeming qualities that any young person OF CONSCIOUSNESS need follow. If they are into materialism, selfishness, glorification of violence, wearing violence done against you as a badge of honor and disrespect of Black women as sex objects than he is a perfect model.
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It seems like the solidarity or consciousness that we choose to promote has to be agreeable with what a white man thinks consciousness is.

We seek political affirmation and approval from OUTSIDERS who do not understand, nor have a desire to acknowledge the DIVERSITY in the BLACK community. They CHOOSE to LABEL and we condone it by CHASTISING our own every chance we get.

AM I THE ONLY ONE DISGUSTED?!



thanks
Bush Proposes Just $991 Million for Afterschool

The Fiscal Year 2006 (FY '06) budget proposal released on February 7th by President Bush would allocate just $991 million for 21st Century Community Learning Centers, which provide grants to afterschool programs serving approximately 1.4 million children across the United States. That is less than half of the $2.25 billion that was authorized for FY '06 in the No Child Left Behind Act. If Congress does not increase the appropriation, the impact of the President's proposal will be felt in communities across the country. The afterschool funding gap it creates would leave some 1.75 million children without the afterschool programs that Congress and the President agreed to in No Child Left Behind.

The Bush budget proposal includes an increase in Title I funding, from $12.7 billion in FY '05 to $13.3 billion next year. It would flat fund Child Care and Development Block Grants for the third straight year, eliminate the GEAR UP and TRIO programs altogether, and severely cut Safe and Drug-Free Schools and Communities and other afterschool funding streams.

The President also proposes to reduce funding for Americorps from $287.7 million in FY '05 to $275 million in FY '06. Americorps provides stipends to some 50,000 young people annually for their work at public service organizations, including many afterschool programs.
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
why is it that black people are held to a higher level of scrutiny for everything than anyone else?


Because we do it to ourselves hence demonstrate to "them" how to effectively do it to "us".

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....i don't know about everyone else black but i'l be damned if i carry the baggage for the unscrupulous behavior of others...


You obviously have better things on which to direct your focus and do just that. Too many of us get bogged down in worrying about the things that do not concern us. I honestly think it is just a way for us to pretend as if there aren't more important issues that plague our communities. How long can this go on? \0/

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...i find it dull as all get-out and I used to play it....but nevertheless classy....why can't black culture be as I see it...which is excelling despite odds against you? I guess that would not afford many to look down on us the way they would like to.... bang


There you have it. Let the truth be told!!!
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Originally posted by blacknite:
WE need to stop making/seeing these types of movies. We are the audience for this stuff and if we stop taking the parts, stop writing the scripts, stop paying for tickets the movies will go away.


Not so fast. There is a HUGE market outside of the U.S. that is salivating and panting for this type of material. It would simply be moved across the Atlantic to the big-big-big-big world outside of us...just like they do with everything else that are protested against and successfully ban here.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

Where are the "boogieman Conservatives"?




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Originally posted by Kevin41:


Bush Proposes Just $991 Million for Afterschool

The Fiscal Year 2006 (FY '06) budget proposal released on February 7th by President Bush would allocate just $991 million for 21st Century Community Learning Centers, which provide grants to afterschool programs serving approximately 1.4 million children across the United States. That is less than half of the $2.25 billion that was authorized for FY '06 in the No Child Left Behind Act. If Congress does not increase the appropriation, the impact of the President's proposal will be felt in communities across the country. The afterschool funding gap it creates would leave some 1.75 million children without the afterschool programs that Congress and the President agreed to in No Child Left Behind.

The Bush budget proposal includes an increase in Title I funding, from $12.7 billion in FY '05 to $13.3 billion next year. It would flat fund Child Care and Development Block Grants for the third straight year, eliminate the GEAR UP and TRIO programs altogether, and severely cut Safe and Drug-Free Schools and Communities and other afterschool funding streams.

The President also proposes to reduce funding for Americorps from $287.7 million in FY '05 to $275 million in FY '06. Americorps provides stipends to some 50,000 young people annually for their work at public service organizations, including many afterschool programs.


People like Bill Cosby actually pave the way for things like this to happen. I wouldn't be suprised if Bill was a direct puppet of Bush. I mean it's not hard to assume when you have Bill saying stuff like the poor need to do this... parents need to do that... blah blah blah. In other words we're about to scale back on your youth programs and you can forget about No Child Left Behind.

It appears to me that conservatives, black or white, are the true opposition to the black community; in relation to this post, I'll be more specific, Conservatives could give two $!@$ about BLACK YOUTH!

Conservative idea of 'cleaning up the streets' is putting more cops on patrol, building more prisons, and making more room in prisons by sentencing more blacks to death.

Why is it o.k. to 'scale back' on spending on programs that DIRECTLY impact the black communities? (not to say that whites don't benefit from their bigger and better afterschool programs)

To these youth that piece of the American dream is getting smaller and smaller. It's a good thing that these youth aren't being taught anything about Marx (hmm... I wonder why). Because if they were, instead of fighting eachother over scraps, they would bumrush the bourgeoise and CREATE their own opportunities.
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Originally posted by blacknite:
I don't get it, no one made 50cent make this movie so why are black people getting mad at the movie studio? It's not news to us by now that Hollywood loves to only show negative images of us so that shouldn't be suprising. The question is: Why do our people keep making crap like this? Films like this make us look stupid but complaining on TV that it's Paramounts fault for the movie poster images and the film content is insane.


Black "actors" and celebs do not represent all/most black people, but all of these blackexplotation films need to die !!!

I do not see why people should not be mad at Paramount. If 50 cent refused to do the movie, don't you think some other black guy would get the role?????? We should be angry at everyone who took part in the movie including 50 cent AND paramount
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The time spent doing this "entertainment" that you suggest and "living the life" that surrounds what is projected in the movie is time that IS NOT SPENT preparing themselves for the reality that they will face in the rest of their lives, their focus being on everything BUT what they need to do.


I'll tell you about OPPORTUNITY COST. The time spent and the energy focused on castrating the black entertainment industry, is time that could be spent trying to provide the youth with OPTIONS and a QUALITY education.
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Who do you feel is responsible for strategically constructing the poverty within the community?



Oh my goodness folks WE HAVE A LIVE ONE HERE.

HeruStar:

When I took Physics in high school my teacher told us that rather than saying "hot and cold" it is more accurate to look at the concept as "Heat and the Absence of Heat".

In reference to your question I believe it is more appropriate to discuss this in terms of "Being inside of a system that CREATES WEALTH and residing OUTSIDE of a system that CREATES WEALTH. I don't believe that you can "make someone poor". Certainly you can order a system that denies them access to the resources that allows them to do the things that would make them prosperous.

WORSE THAN shunting someone away from physical access to this system, HOWEVER, are the people who CONVINCE these people that they are infact POOR and HELPLESS and VICTIMS. These are the foundations of my concept of "Conditioned Hopelessness".

From a CULTURAL standpoint when these messages are accepted by the group and not just reside in the racist ignorance of their adversaries you will see these people walk toward the back of the bus, head sunk below their shoulders, without even being told to do so.

Their consciousness will only be REPAIRED when the COLLECTIVE agrees to manage the MESSAGES and STANDARDS that are allowed to fester within the conscious group.

WITH THAT SAID - 50 Cent and other SAMBO ENTERTAINERS are a DIRECT THREAT TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY. If you read the follow up articles on 50's view of the controversy surrounding the removal of his billboard from near high schools that had a history of gang violence and from an elementary school, 50, being the capitalist that he is said - 'No big deal. Publicity only has more people talking about my movie'. 50 PROFITS from the controversy.

HeruStar - do you think that 50 is motivated to MODERATE his message or to push the envelope further the next time?

The real problem is the LACK OF "CONTROLING INTEREST" within the Black community TO PUT THIS FOOL IN CHECK. 50, Russell Simmons, Damon Dash and others are like THE FOX SETTING UP THE SECURITY SYSTEM FOR THE HEN HOUSE. Russell Simmons says that he is going to "redefine the meaning of the word 'Nigger'. Ludacris said he is working to do the same thing with the word 'bitch'. This is a brilliant move on their part. When those with CONSCIOUSNESS begin to circle around these fools to attempt to stop them from promoting such IGNORANCE their defense will be "I am executing my plan to redefine the words" thus they seek to control the offense. I maintain that this is not their job. It is the community's job to maintain this consciousness and to strike out against that which causes offense. Dash, Simmons, 50 STAND TO PROFIT from the silence heard from the community and fromt he IRRATIONAL positions that people like you promote.

You are so used to struggling against the WHITE MAN that you can't even formulate a plan on how to deal with FOXES that are WITHIN (who are not Conservatives). Your biggest fear would have to be that your enemies move away from you and you are required to MANAGE toward a positive result absent the ability to REDIRECT your blame over to these adversaries.

Your concept of the absence of someone who is "MAKING YOU POOR" does not translate into the creation of a system of WEALTH GENERATION in and of itself. It takes AFFIRMATIVE ACTIONS on the part of the collective to operate within this system.

Your spirited defense of these SAMBOS because they are making money is similar to the people living in Delaware, next to the DuPont Chemical plant HAPPY that the plant is creating jobs but who SIT SILENT about abundant evidence that the refuse from the plant is killing all of the fish in the water and the wildlife who drink from the river. The ends justify the MEANS in your view.
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It seems like the solidarity or consciousness that we choose to promote has to be agreeable with what a white man thinks consciousness is.

We seek political affirmation and approval from OUTSIDERS who do not understand, nor have a desire to acknowledge the DIVERSITY in the BLACK community. They CHOOSE to LABEL and we condone it by CHASTISING our own every chance we get.

AM I THE ONLY ONE DISGUSTED?!


You are certainly not the only one who are posting "discusting" concepts.

You see HeruStar the folly in attempting to govern yourself with respect to staying within the approval of your long time adversary is only trumped by the practice of ABANDONING WHAT YOU BELIEVE BECAUSE YOUR ADVERSARY BELIEVES IN THE SAME THING AND DARED TO COMMENT AGAINST AN OFFENSE BEFORE YOU DID.

In my view of what you have written thus far on this board it seems that you suffer from this condition. You appear to be a function of your White adversary. You don't define yourself until this adversary defines his position. In the world of mathmatics you are the formula "Y = -1 * X" where the White man is the 'X' and you are sure to be defined in opposition to him for the sake of opposition.

Absent of having a list of WHAT YOU BELIEVE defined prior to going into battle where you engage your enemy you will always be RESPONDING to what they do, never knowing yourself AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE.

We can look at issues of crime, education, and entertainment to see this reactionary phenomenon in violation of what you believe being practiced. Thus, again, you will never distance yourself from your adversary lest you lose yourself and your self definition.
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I'll tell you about OPPORTUNITY COST. The time spent and the energy focused on castrating the black entertainment industry, is time that could be spent trying to provide the youth with OPTIONS and a QUALITY education.


Why do so many belive we are above being human?Why do we focus on the "bad" or "getto" films? All groups of people make good and bad movies. Do Italians get upset at all the "Mob Movies" that portray them in a negative light? Some do.

Positive movies are made but if WE only go to THESE movies then that's all they will make so it's not a problem with JUST the entertainment industry. I for one don't want people deciding for me - an adult - what I should and shouldn't be able to see.
HeruStar:

I have the evidence in hand to now feel comfortable in making the statement YOU ARE IGNORANT!!

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I'll tell you about OPPORTUNITY COST. The time spent and the energy focused on castrating the black entertainment industry, is time that could be spent trying to provide the youth with OPTIONS and a QUALITY education.


People like Bill Cosby actually pave the way for things like this to happen. I wouldn't be suprised if Bill was a direct puppet of Bush. I mean it's not hard to assume when you have Bill saying stuff like the poor need to do this... parents need to do that... blah blah blah. In other words we're about to scale back on your youth programs and you can forget about No Child Left Behind.

It appears to me that conservatives, black or white, are the true opposition to the black community; in relation to this post, I'll be more specific, Conservatives could give two $!@$ about BLACK YOUTH


BLACK ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY???

In making this point YOU are somehow supposing that the BLACK COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE are benefiting from these SAMBO FILMS rather than JUST the lead SAMBO actor who takes the part of the lead SAMBO in the movie?

While I see Stanford Universities and others who were founded due to the funds provided from the capitalism of their name sake - could you show me the evidence that 50 Cent and other SAMBOS are doing these offensive deeds for the purposes of "laundering" the money and having it applied to the BEST INTERESTS OF BLACK FOLKS?

I see a $25,000 donation here and there BUT I have NEVER seen a SAMBO do anything than invest in his personal collection of auto, jewlery and palacial estates.

Please do a COST/BENEFIT analysis and show me how the COST TO OUR INTEGRITY AND IMAGE as a people are being offset by the BENEFIT that all of us obtain from allowing this?

I recently traveled overseas. As I went into the electronics store in this non-English speaking country I saw that the SAMBO ENTERTAINERS have beaten me to this location. They had already put forth an image of African-Americans before I even set foot on this land. The fact that the people could not understand their words did not prevent the IMAGE from being projected.

I am beyond the "first Black" phenomenon. I realize that a BLACK EXPLOITATATIVE CAPITALIST is no better than a White exploitative capitalist when it comes to USING Black people. The fact is, however, that this BLACK GUY can get away with a WHOLE LOT MORE in playing in BLACKFACE than that White man could ever hope to.

It is OUR COMMUNITY'S JOB to enforce some type of integrity and self respect because we know that damned sure no one else is going to do this for us.


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Bill Cosby? This man has a LONG TRACK RECORD OF DONATING CASH FOR THE DIRECT BENEFIT OF BLACK STUDENTS.

Do you see how in your CORRUPTED WORLD - Bill Cosby is a candidate for SCORN yet 50 Cent should be upheld as a Black Icon of success?

Does these two references have you to step back and recalibrate your beliefs?

But I see that you have found the MAGICAL REFERENCE. To tar and feather an otherwise respectable Black man all you have to do is to link him with Bush or have him to be a Republican. Other Blacks will read between the line and not do any further character assessment. The fact that this man would link up with these two entities is enough to throw his resume away as if his name were "Shaquita".

You are one of the operatives that I frequently speak of as operating unfettered in our community. Your key difference is that YOU are an operative for continued ignorance and in protecting what ever PERCEIVED financial stake and benefit that you are currently receiving from SAMBO ENTERTAINMENT. td6td6td6td6td6td6td6td6td6td6td6td6td6td6
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What's an outrage is how the community can rally together to deprive children of entertainment, because they feel it is negative. I guess the superficial naysayers know what's best for the community. It's proven to this day that they have flooded the schools with more than enough alternatives than the students could keep up with. Not only that, they've successfully rallied behind getting them a quality education...


Thank goodness our young eventually grow up and see the light and don't think like this forever. Roll Eyes

You, too, HeruStar, will eventually see the light one day. Just like Mary J., and Diddy, and Ludicris, and all the others who "grew up" and asked, "What the hell was I thinking?" Confused

The "community" rallies together to deprive "children" of education because with age comes wisdom ... and the "community" (thankfully) has reached the older and wiser state of consciousness that knows to protect it's "childen" from themselves. Because chldren are ... well ... just that, children. And some stay that way much longer than they should. Frown

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Studio Pulls Billboards for 50 Cent Movie
Sun Oct 30, 7:08 AM ET


Paramount Pictures is removing some billboards promoting the upcoming 50 Cent film "Get Rich or Die Tryin'" after community activists complained they promoted gun violence. The billboards depict the rapper, whose real name is Curtis Jackson, holding a gun in his left hand and a microphone in his right. At least two were near schools.

A studio spokesman said Friday that Paramount was evaluating the locations of the billboards and taking some down. He declined further comment.

One of the signs was located in front of a charter school in Altadena and another sign was near a school in south Los Angeles, areas that have struggled with gang violence.

Activists in a south Los Angeles neighborhood staged a rally Tuesday to protest the signs. Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael Antonovich sent a letter Wednesday to Paramount President Brad Grey calling for immediate removal of the billboards.

"The billboard conveys to students a disturbing message actively promoting gun violence, criminal behavior and gang affiliation," Antonovich wrote.

"Get Rich or Die Tryin'" stars Jackson as a drug dealer who turns away from crime to pursue his true passion "” music. It is scheduled to open Nov. 9.
Construct,

That is an interesting equation that you imposed upon me. Let me tell you what I think about you. If there were no white men in your life, you would feel inadequate, incomplete, unwhole. You define yourself by delighting in your desperate condition of psychological dependance on the concept of white superiority. You also desperately cling to a reality that was CREATED by your oppressors. To make matters worse you TRUST this reality with a pathetic persistence, only to substantiate and justify an ignorant and pathetic existence.

So you can miss me with your equations because I'm not amused nor persuaded by the concussed.

And this OPPORTUNITY COST issue still isn't rectified. You're good with equations, in economics they have, factor this

Quality Education or Quality(which is still to be determined)Music, which concept has they greatest positive impact on the 'growth' of the community?

Also consider this, many of these children seek a form of escapism, in order to tolerate the harsh trials that they face. People like you, desire to take away the government funded positive programs, silence their music, and ultimately silence their voices (by imposing this white-man... I mean republicans/conservatives know best attitude). Being surrounded by a society that creates ceilings and have absolutely no expectations of you, what are your alternatives, holding all other things constant, let's assume that the youth only KNOW what they SEE (I'm pretty sure you feel that's an argument against 50cent... but please humor me) Compile me a list of alternatives. Let's face this FACT, black youth are not receiving a quality education. Working with what we got, which is little or nothing, what are the alternatives to a quality education? I ask that question because it doesn't look like we will be getting one anytime soon. Especially since people like you focus more on the superficial than whats tangible. People like you swindle the community with promises of No Child Left Behind, with every intention to LEAVE BLACK CHILDREN BEHIND. People like you take away Affirmative Action, and shove Affirmative Access down our throats like it's some type of wonder drug. Privly knowing that it (AffAcc) isn't about jackdiddly.

If you don't care about the community, cool. If you want to be concussed, that's cool to. But pissing on peoples heads and callin' it rain. Disguising your TRUE AGENDA... That's gone cause a couple problems.
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Also consider this, many of these children seek a form of escapism, in order to tolerate the harsh trials that they face. People like you, desire to take away the government funded positive programs, silence their music, and ultimately silence their voices (by imposing this white-man...


You know HeruStar - for someone who KNOWS ME NOT you sure are making a whole lot of assertions about me.

Can you show me the radical cuts in education spending that has taken place recently?

I have no problem against "escapism". I have a problem against IGNORANT, SAMBO IMAGES being pimped to our people.

We have enough people telling our young people through their music that their "hood" is screwed up. I choose to have my children listen to more affirming messages that tell them what they can become in this world.

It is interesting that people all over purchase "Self Help" tapes with the hopes that with repetitive listening the message will sink into their souls and be acted upon. I can't help but to figure that the same IGNORANT messages in the SAMBO music does the same.

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Especially since people like you focus more on the superficial than whats tangible. People like you swindle the community with promises of No Child Left Behind, with every intention to LEAVE BLACK CHILDREN BEHIND.

HeruStar:
Can you point to the PRE-NCLB program that was so successful in REFORMING THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS in the Inner cities to PURCHASE YOUR RELATIVE SILENCE and not attack the Federal policy that was in place before hand?

I have learned in dealing with certain folks that it is more telling to scrutinize their MEASURING STICK, pointing out how the are SILENT on others who they hold in more favor when they too violate the trust RATHER THAN me worrying about being judged "below" their standard.

The real problem is that your measuring device has no fidelity nor integrity.

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