What is its approach and relation to the white world in terms of its security?
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quote:Originally posted by Shango67:
We best have some type of military
quote:Originally posted by ZAKAR:
Ask Israel, Pakistan, India, North Korea, Iran? Seems to me if you got the big bang it deters a lot of people from fuckin with you. They seem to want to come to the table.But if you have nothing , how can you have respect. Its not the big military that countries need, its the bomb, period
quote:We best have some type of military
quote:Originally posted by MBM:quote:Originally posted by Shango67:
We best have some type of military
I'm not being critical, but practically speaking, of what value would "some type of military" be when the U.S. spends more on defense than the rest of the world combined? Again, I very much respect the symbolism of creating a military presence, but of what practical value would that be to us?
quote:Originally posted by ZAKAR:
There are many African Scholars promoting Pan Africanism. There are also programs and Organizations that also promote Pan Africanism. Its seems to me people look for excuses or reasons not deal with Africa.All I would say is do some research, google, check out the African Studies programs, email the professor, look at the organizations that are doing good work on the ground.Its a tall order, its not easy but people are doing it.
quote:Originally posted by ZAKAR:
There are African American community in quite a few African countries, there are scholars from many african countries teaching at many US universities, espeically HBCU's there many Africans on the Continent and the Carribean, who come to these universities, and there has also been a growing trend in Africans in America studying in Africa. You have do things in steps and phases, many people are doing many things, but not everyone is doing the same thing. I say this to say there is a Pan African movement and like Ive said before its not gonna happen in the form of the Slave trade in reverse but in the global world its strategizing exchange programs, as we all as intraculutural relationships
quote:Originally posted by ZAKAR:
Im not trying to convince anyone to be more Pan African or not. I live it. So as individuals criticize the movement and its results.I as what has intergration done. What has individualism done. Its easy to critique, but to put yourself in the fire, deal with the people and build relationships its a totally different things.
quote:Originally posted by ZAKAR:
you have to be a participant in it to strenghten it. how many people on this thread actually know brothers and sistas from the continent, how many have eaten at their houses and visa versa.What about Columbia, Brazil, Haiti,Cuba, I mean do people actually know individuals from these places.I do!
quote:Originally posted by ZAKAR:
you have to be a participant in it to strenghten it. how many people on this thread actually know brothers and sistas from the continent, how many have eaten at their houses and visa versa.What about Columbia, Brazil, Haiti,Cuba, I mean do people actually know individuals from these places.I do!
quote:Originally posted by ZAKAR:
Ask Israel, Pakistan, India, North Korea, Iran? Seems to me if you got the big bang it deters a lot of people from fuckin with you. They seem to want to come to the table.But if you have nothing , how can you have respect. Its not the big military that countries need, its the bomb, period
quote:Originally posted by Yemaya:
OK my question is why does the Pan African movement have to include going back to Africa?? I'm very interested in your logic about this, MBM. I don't think that we need to go back to Africa. I think that the main issue is creating a unified front. To make people of African descent proud to be African and to have the resources that enable us to hold our own as a people.
Give you an example. Chinese people. They have China, but if you go in major cities there's a chinatown. They have Chinese communities. They build up their wealth. They raise their children here and even if they are 3 or 4 generations deep chinese they still maintain their culture. Do these folks have to go back to China to be Chinese nationalists? They are doing it here with the help of their people all over their Diaspora and with the aid of their extended families.
I have to say the various ministries that were mentioned during the Millions More Movement earlier this year were great ideas. Like the Caribbean and Africa we need a union. A great idea of the past was the OAAU (Organization of African-American Unity) modeled after the OAU (Organization of African Unity). Today we have the African Union and Caricom. We need to dump the NAACP (or let it crash and burn) and get on a program that will allow us to model after those two organizations. This will allow us to create various off shoot groups that will allow us to create business blocs, and other beneficial organizations to us. And as a group we can interface with groups like Caricom and the AU in a sincere effort to work together for the benefit of all of our people.
Additionally, I don't think that it will take more than 50 people to jump start this off the ground.
quote:Originally posted by Yemaya:
OK my question is why does the Pan African movement have to include going back to Africa?? I'm very interested in your logic about this, MBM.
quote:Originally posted by MBM:
I am merely asking why Africa has not more meaningfully reached out to African America.
quote:You make my point. Sure there is plenty of talk about Pan Africanism. Except for people that left in the last century, obviously the greatest exodus of Africans from Africa came to the Americas through slavery. It would seem that any serious Pan African movement would have - as front and center - an effort to get us back home.
quote:Originally posted by Yemaya:quote:You make my point. Sure there is plenty of talk about Pan Africanism. Except for people that left in the last century, obviously the greatest exodus of Africans from Africa came to the Americas through slavery. It would seem that any serious Pan African movement would have - as front and center - an effort to get us back home.
I guess I misunderstood your above statement, MBM. I just want to add none of this can be done without a group of dedicated people. As I stated in my earlier post, a group of 50 would be a great starter group and sympathizers also go a long way with causes like this. From some of the responses on this board, I think that there are many sympathizers to the cause of Pan-Africanism.
quote:Originally posted by ZAKAR:
Next time you invite your Colombian friends over for supper, ask them how they spell their country's name.
and out of nowhere comeS the white guy!, incredible, I should be shot, i misspelled a word. wow! , I will misspell some more I type fast, whats your point?
quote:Just because you married a black woman you know what it means to be black?
quote:get the fuck out of here.
quote:how many people on this thread actually know brothers and sistas from the continent, how many have eaten at their houses and visa versa.What about Columbia, Brazil, Haiti,Cuba, I mean do people actually know individuals from these places.I do!
quote:Just because you married a black woman you know what it means to be black?
quote:Originally posted by ZAKAR:
who really cares about your pet peeve.
quote:Originally posted by MBM:quote:Originally posted by Shango67:
We best have some type of military
I'm not being critical, but practically speaking, of what value would "some type of military" be when the U.S. spends more on defense than the rest of the world combined? Again, I very much respect the symbolism of creating a military presence, but of what practical value would that be to us?
quote:Originally posted by MBM:
I asked this question here a long time ago, but would love current members' thoughts about it. In thinking about Pan Africanism, it seems that the onus has been placed on African Americans to reach out to Africa and Africans. Even without necessarily arguing that specific point, I am at a loss to put my finger on any meaningful effort coming from Africa that seeks to embrace us/invite us back etc. On an individual basis, I am well aware that there is - in some places - warmth toward us. I have friends who have visited a number of places and been made to feel quite welcome. Nevertheless, I am not aware of any scholars or movements or populist leaders who have included reaching out to African Americans specifically as a strategic part of their thinking.
Thoughts?
quote:so incredibly obvious has not happened to any meaningful degree.
quote:I bet Condi Rice has eaten dinner with Africans from more places than you. Is she a Pan Africanist?
quote:OK my question is why does the Pan African movement have to include going back to Africa?? I'm very interested in your logic about this, MBM. I don't think that we need to go back to Africa. I think that the main issue is creating a unified front.
quote:Originally posted by Shango67:
...... You don't talk about nation building, in the context of sharing the world with an enemy committed to our destruction, without looking to build a military... no matter how lofty the idea.
quote:Originally posted by Shango67:
Not aware or you choose to ignore????
Please brother, do some study and travel home. GHANA is a prime example of a nation that bends over backward to recruit Africans from amerikkka. Dubois and MANY OTHER Africans from amerikkka have made West Africa their home. But
Keep in mind... Africa can't offer Africans from amerikkka anything close to what white supremacy pays to keep us here. And African scholars and leaders know this to be painfully true. They would love us to return but we expect to much. TLeaving this nation to live in Africa, even for a short stay, requires an incredible amount of personal, emotional, and economic sacrifice.