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....In response to your questions, honie,

"I am aware of this but do you believe the majority of Blacks who fled Watts owned property? Renting doesn't give ties to a community like home ownership does.

I don't know how many units/apartments there are in the Jordan Downs, Hacienda Village, Imperial Courts or Nickerson Garden housing projects has but a lot of families lived there. Hispanics have large families and I'm surprised that it is only 80% Hispanic." by honie


Compton Killings Highest in Years, The city saw at least 72 homicides in 2005. Some say the sheriff's response is too passive. Others ask why the city doesn't pay for more patrols.
By Megan Garvey, Times Staff Writer

January 2, 2006

At least 72 people were killed in Compton in 2005, the highest toll in a decade for a city that has ranked among the most dangerous in the nation for 30 years.

The rise in homicides frightened residents who have long lived with high levels of gang violence but had seen a downturn in violent crime in recent years.

In addition to those killed in Compton, at least nine more people were shot to death in unincorporated areas within a few blocks of the city boundary.

Many residents have been frustrated over a Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department response that they found surprisingly passive in the face of unrelenting violence.

Compton ended 2005 with nearly as many homicides as there are sheriff's deputies paid to patrol the city. Some residents have asked why city officials have not acted more forcefully.

The oldest victim was the first, Reginald Humphries, 61, found bludgeoned to death Jan. 7 in his home on 138th Street.

The youngest was a fetus, shot and killed in an attack in June that wounded five people, including her mother, who was eight months' pregnant.

Within weeks of that shooting, the city had recorded 43 homicides "” more than all of 2004.

Three months later, a gunman shot another pregnant woman in the belly. A baby girl was delivered by emergency caesarean section, born a month early with a gunshot wound to her leg that required surgery. Her mother survived. Her father, Osiel Hipolito, a 20-year-old sailor and veteran of the war in Iraq, did not.

Deputies said Hipolito had no gang ties, and that the attack began when a gang member asked where he was from, and he replied: the U.S. Navy.

The shooting, in the middle of a September afternoon, was recorded by security cameras at a Compton-area mall where Hipolito, his wife and his teenage brother had gone to shop. By then, Compton had recorded 51 killings.

In October, a gunman fired at a male victim on a residential street until he was out of ammunition, then used his weapon to beat to death the victim's female companion.

Two months and 10 homicides later, Labrina Pullard, 17, was shot to death while sitting in a car with her boyfriend, who was wounded in the attack.

On Christmas Day, two Compton men were shot to death "” one in the city, one just outside its borders. Both were Latinos in their 30s.

The city's last victim, Jose Casillas, 19, was shot to death in the early morning on New Year's Eve.

Overall, at least 25 of Compton's dead were Latino, and 43 black. Fifteen were teenagers, six of them 15 or younger. Nine victims were men in their 40s or older.

In addition to those killed in 2005, sheriff's gang officials recorded 282 shootings and attempted murders in Compton through the end of November, a nearly 25% increase over the same period the previous year.

The adult son of City Councilwoman Lillie Dobson was shot and wounded in the leg while riding his bike near his mother's house late last year. Dobson said her son told her that a man had walked up to him and fired without saying a word.

"I think the people feel that they're somewhat frightened," said Otha Ray Scott, 74, a Compton Block Club commissioner and 49-year resident. "You never know what's going to happen from day to day. It might be OK for this moment on this day, but tomorrow all hell may break out."

The rise in killings, the vast majority believed by sheriff's investigators to be gang-related, prompted concern among residents and elected officials but little action. A gang injunction being drawn up by an attorney for the city probably will take months before it is ready to be imposed, city officials said.

Compton, a city of 10 square miles and roughly 96,000 residents, disbanded its 100-year-old police force five years ago and now contracts with the Sheriff's Department for 75 full-time deputies at a cost of more than $13 million a year.

As the violence in Compton rose during the year, Sheriff Lee Baca did not shift additional gang officers or investigators into the Compton station.

Baca's department has more than 1,000 unfilled deputy positions, and department officials have said they cannot increase the number of deputies assigned to Compton unless the city can pay more.

City officials said they had no additional money. The per capita income in Compton is about $10,000, half of the county average.

As violence escalated in Compton, crime dropped in nearby areas patrolled by the Los Angeles Police Department. The LAPD's Southeast Division station, which serves about 150,000 residents, recorded 62 homicides as of Dec. 24, down from 72 during the same period in 2004.

The division also reported a drop in shots fired and shooting victims. The LAPD deploys more than 250 officers in the Southeast Division to patrol an area about the size of Compton.

Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton said in a meeting at The Times in December that he believed his department's success in reducing crime in South Los Angeles could have had a role in violent gangs concentrating in Compton. "We're pushing it their way," he said.

But Bratton also criticized Compton for not finding more money to pay for additional patrols. "Quite frankly, it's a problem in Compton that they only want to pay for 78 sheriff's deputies ... to try and police one of the most dangerous cities in America? Sorry, you get what you pay for," he said. "It's incredible what's going on over there."

Bratton called the situation in Compton "very controllable," but said reducing crime would require higher levels of law enforcement, as well as creating new opportunities for young people there.

In addition to inadequate staffing, mistrust of police on the part of many residents also has hampered law enforcement efforts in Compton. Witnesses frequently are not willing to come forward with information about crimes. Sheriff's homicide detectives made arrests in a fraction of Compton's killings last year.

"The biggest thing that was wrong was lack of participation by the citizens," said Scott, the Block Club commissioner who walks the streets near his home knocking on doors and checking up on complaints made to Councilwoman Barbara Calhoun.

"They're going on eggshells," he said. "They don't see nothing. They don't hear nothing, and that's one of the responses to the police department. 'Did you see the guy? What was he wearing? What was he driving?' They see it but they're afraid of retaliation."

Rudolph "Rock" Johnson, chief of staff of Amer-I-Can, a gang intervention program, opened an office in Compton in November under a yearlong contract, the first such city-sponsored effort in recent years.

Johnson, a former Crips gang member who was reared in Compton and served 17 years in prison, called the circumstances in his hometown "rough."

"People are concerned," he said. "I don't think people know how to deal with it. It takes more than law enforcement. All the guys I'm out there talking to in these neighborhoods, they all want jobs, but a lot of them are former convicts on probation."

For some longtime residents who take pride in the community, the rise in homicides has been discouraging, underscoring fissures in a town where 60% of the residents are Latino, but all elected officials are black.

Robert Carrillo, a Block Club commissioner and former City Council candidate, said "the first thing we have to do is unite."

"We see the rise in crime, and we see that our city is not doing nothing," he said. "I don't see improvements."

Carrillo, who moved to Compton in 1986, said he and others in his neighborhood are tired of hearing City Hall has no funds to act on pressing crime issues.

"If we cannot lower the homicides, people will not invest in Compton," he said. "We have to work harder to stop the homicides and show that we are serious about change."

Times staff writer Richard Winton contributed to this report.

A sharp upturn in killings

Compton, which has been among the most dangerous cities in the nation for 30 years, had recently seen a downturn in killings. But in 2005, homicides rose back to a level that the city of about 96,000 residents had not experienced since the mid-1990s.

Number Homicides per Year

1985-- 63
1986-- 66
1987-- 85
1988-- 80
1989-- 83
1990-- 82
1991-- 89
1992-- 63
1993-- 66
1994-- 90
1995-- 82
1996-- 75
1997-- 68
1998-- 49
1999-- 55
2000-- 47
2001-- 45
2002-- 49
2003-- 44
2004-- 39
2005-- 72

Source: Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department

Copyright 2006 Los Angeles Times


....there are probably several reasons as to why so many Black people have vacated South Central Los Angeles, and Compton.

A. The high unemployment rate of Black men and women, which can't help but drive up criminal activity in the Black community.

B. The high cost of housing, higher rent or lease costs associated with living in Los Angeles.

C. Black people with the financial means or resources have moved to more affluent neighborhoods, and they have never looked back.

D. Substandard schools, city services, a failing Black middleclass, and/or our own blatantly inept elected representatives.

E. The high cost of automobile insurance, business insurance, or any other form of insurance, in any high crime, high risk area, such as the typical "inner-city".

F. Black on black criminal activity that has resulting in the maiming and killing of more Black people than slavery.

G. Any combination of the above and more.

H. Hispanics, and Koreans, tend to be more supportive of each other, and more willing to live together in apartments, homes, or otherwise, such that they share the expenses of renting or buying, be it for renting an apartment, buying a home, and/or purchasing a business.

Heck, by and large, before killing each other when faced with poverty conditions, Latinos will live like sardines in a can, and make sacrifices to stretch their meager income, and before long, the next thing you know they have saved enough money to purchase a building, a business, etc.

Slim chance exists where Black people will live two in room, without a disagreement, a falling out, etc. More or less, all this talk of circulating Black dollars, and Black unity, is just talk, be it from those in poverty, to those of affluence, as it applies to our Black middleclass, and/or our inept elected officials, which more or less is making it very easy for any outsider, or group of outsiders willing to make the necessary sacrifices, and/or willing to pool their resources, to take over any community formerly predominated by Black people.

Furthermore, be it the Rampart Scandal, the atrocities of a "Killer/Butcher King", and/or otherwise, Hispanic representatives, Hispanics in positions of influence, and/or the Hispanic people are more apt, or willing to sue government for redress when violated, (and less likely to commit acts of treason to keep their people in poverty, distress, and/or otherwise) which is yet another source of lawful revenue, revenue to the tune of multi-mega bucks.


Michael Lofton


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Originally posted by Rowe:

Hispanic communities are on the rise, and if we are not maintain our claims of being a "welcoming" and "nonprejudice" society, then this is a reality that we must respect. No one seems to have any complaints about the growing Hispanic population when they want their lawns maintained, luxury homes built, or their businesses renovated! Where else are they and their children suppose to live and go to public schools? I have taught Hispanic children, and they just as loving as other children. Again, people need to loose the snooty attitude. Blacks struggled to become successful in this country, so make way for others to do the same.

I am not some foaming-at-the-mouth racist who fears change and difference. You speak of a welcoming and nonprejudice society, yet (in my experience) as the Hispanic (or more accurately, Mestizo)population increases they become prejudiced and discriminatory towards us. It seems that any monority will jump on the "poor ole us" bandwagon and complain about white racism towards their group, but as soon as they gain any level of power or prominence they overcompensate for their ill treatment by treating us even worse. It's as if dogging Blacks is a way of saying "Look at me, America! I've finally made it!". History has proved this the case with the Irish, East Asians, and now Mestizos. Perhaps things are different elsewhere, but just try to get a job in a business own by a Mestizo or Hispanic in Los Angeles. Hell, I have personally been in a store and seen the employess lead Mestizo customers to restrooms but refuse to let Black customers use the facilities. Let us just try that crap and see how fast the Black businessman is sued for discrimination.

Even when not actively trying to exert power/screw us, they still do. Many predominantly Black schools are in a bad enough condition. Adding a significant number of Mestizo students (many of whom don't speak English) just accerbates overcrowding and lack of resources, plus the teachers must spread themselves thinner still trying to help students who don't even speak the language. Many inner city trauma wards that Blacks once depended on for emergency care are closing in Los Angeles due to the unflux of uninsured illegals. Hospitals only have a finite amount of money to work with, and when you get a flood of people all needing free care, the practitioner to patient ratio, wait times, and overall quality of care diminishes. Not to mention the huge loss the hospital must sustain to treat them.
High cost of treating illegals and their children

I have no desire to prevent another group from succeeding just to be some jerk. However, when their idea success is detrimental to the success of my people, I get ruffled. If attaining power means decreasing ours, then I have a problem. And no, I'm not just against Mestizos, but any group for which this holds true. If Russians were doing this instead of Mestizos, I'd be speaking of that. And no, I don't automatically dislike all Mestizos. I am polite and open to anyone who is respectful to me. I have also worked with Hispanic children, Rowe. I willingly volunteered my time as a tutor to middle school children, and found them a great bunch of kids and sincerely wish them well. If they're going to be here, I'd rather them be educated and positively contribute to society. My problem isn't primarily a racial, it's an economic/social one at which immigration is the core, not ethnicity.

Originally posted by Blacksanction:
If you're already moving then how can you be displaced?

People are moving because of the tidal wave of immigrants. Despite what some people on this board think, not all poor people or those who live in the ghettos are happy with their position. They want their children to do better, and are moving partly to find better schools. Another reason is because you start to feel like a foreigner in your own damn country--have you ever walked to a corner store and one day nobody employed there spoke English any more? Has any child in your family had to go to an un-airconditioned school in the middle of the summer because the school system had to create a "track" system to accomodate so many extra children. Has any child in your family ever had a teacher that spoke another language in the classroom most of the time because 80% of that child's peers didn't speak English
In addition to their numbers, Hispanics also have the purchasing power, to which Corporate America, is not about to overlook.

The Black community must become much more competitive as it concerns "free enterprise", in the best interest of its' own future survival.

Furthermore, in many cases, to speak more than one language is rewarded and considered a plus, as it pertains to any area composed of so many immigrant groups, such as the State of California. In many cases California Public School teachers are expected to be bilingual.
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