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Saftey you must be using the word logic very loosly....

A couple things about your last post...

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No excuses, just pure "logic" when it comes to Namibia and setting up camp in a country the size of Cali with not 1 but 2 infamous deserts.


I will conceed that Namibia is mostly desert (so is most of California) but Namibia (823,620 sq km) is over two times (2X) the size of California(411,015 sq km). So the statement that Namibia is the same size as California is just wrong.

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I could say the same that your argument is feeble by pointing to Somalia. Another African country on the ocean that has nothing to offer economically but its trade ports and what economic shape are they in now? Because the only person that would want to use their seaport is Ethiopia and how much money do they have? What good is a seaport if the countries next to you already have what they want or have nothing at all?


I never said that having a port makes you economically proficient, but is helps out tremendously. Think of California w/ out the ports of San Diego, Los Angeles, or San Francisco. Most of the other stuff mentioned in this paragraph is nonsense.

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South Africa is a dominating country on the continent and have no need for a Namibian seaport. Angola would have a seaport as well and not need a Namibian one.


This tells me you are either stupid or we are talking about two different things ( and I pray it is the latter). S. Africa is "surrounded" by oceans, the Atlantic on its western border and the Indian on its eastern. Angola is Namibia's northern neighbor, and both Nambia and Angola border the Atlantic Ocean on thier western borders.
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I would however conceed that Namibia is not the only possible relocation spot..

But I have researched the issue for some time now and have formulated some criteria's.

1. I think primarily we should go to a country that has a border on an ocean (non-landlocked).

2. Lots of Land.

3. Relatively stable politcally.

4. Large land Area and a corispondigly smal population..

Namibia fits the bill perfectly.

Angola, S. Africa, Zimbabwe and Botswana come close but all of them to not fit every category like Namibia does.

Angola, S. Africa and Zimbabwee all have huge populations.

Botswana is land locked by Namibia.

I think you need to look at a map of Africa.

I have provided some links.

http://www.africaguide.com/afmap.htm

http://www.library.northwestern.edu/africana/map/
So fine Namimia is two times larger than Cali but it still has less than 1% of it's land available to produce crops.

So now we have a larger more barren country with close to water to have a seaport that has two deserts.....Yeah that makes it all better....LOL

You want to compare California's ports to Namibia's ports but that is comparing apples and oranges. The only thing Namibia's ports do is make it easier to ship out their resources for food. I doubt with the larger countries around it would ever grow into anything much more than that.

Yet, like I said earlier, for this to be an African American site on unity it simply amazes me how people cannot express their point without having to insult the other. You want African Americans to unify among themselves and then go to Africa and unify with them, but you cannot even express yourself while disagreeing with me without dropping or suggesting an insult, which goes back to my first post of inevitable war if African Americans tried to go back to the Africa with the same blaquer than thou attitude.

If you looked at what I was actually talking about it was the economic viability of using the seaports on an international economic scale. Instead you keep a narrow vision and can only focus on defending the country of mostly desert and rocks with a seaport by waiting to insult. IF you look closely at the pictures you can see one is a riverbed that looks like a road.

So is Namimbia paying you to sell it as the Garden of Eden? lol





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Originally posted by blaqfist:
I would however conceed that Namibia is not the only possible relocation spot..

But I have researched the issue for some time now and have formulated some criteria's.

1. I think primarily we should go to a country that has a border on an ocean (non-landlocked).

2. Lots of Land.

3. Relatively stable politcally.

4. Large land Area and a corispondigly smal population..

Namibia fits the bill perfectly.

Angola, S. Africa, Zimbabwe and Botswana come close but all of them to not fit every category like Namibia does.

Angola, S. Africa and Zimbabwee all have huge populations.

Botswana is land locked by Namibia.

I think you need to look at a map of Africa.

I have provided some links.

http://www.africaguide.com/afmap.htm

http://www.library.northwestern.edu/africana/map/


Nah actually I have been to the continent many times. Including the country in question. Not looked at it from a map or the internet or a book for that matter.

Again if you reread what I said you could have taken that I knew that Botswana was landlocked from talking on how it did not have to use Namibia's Seaport because of Angola's and South Africa's. Instead you decide again to use the blaq finger. Smile

I don't want to give the impression that Namibia is under developed because it has some beautiful places in her cities but for us to go there and make a difference we are going to and have to develop the rest of the country.

Your chief argument stands on it is not that populated but neither is the mojave desert or death valley but you don't see people flocking their in droves to set up shop because the land is there and laregly uninhabited.

I was just trying to see where you logically came from but all you seem to do is nit pick through what I said instead of posting strengths on settling in Namibia. If it was as strong as you say it is, it would not need your insults and could stand on its own.
If you consider calling you out on your numerous lies "nit-picking" well consider me a nit picking nigga'...

I am sorry if you continue to make false statements like California and Namibia are the same size, Botswana and Angola border each other and South Africa has no sea ports, I am going to call you on it/nit-pick..

In regards to Namibia being a desert; this is precisely where African-Americna ingenuity could come in and help develop irrigation plans.

Plans to desalinate sea water could be used.

This is where our education could help develop what is now a desert into a breadbasket...


I am sorry being accurate is just a pet-peeve of mine

I am starting to think we are talking about the same thing and you are just stupid.
Fine nitpicking nigga have it how you want it, but let's go back and recap. Anyone with eyes can easily see that I did a recant on the size of namibia. When you said that it was two times the size of Cali I agreed with you in the post afterward. Yet you point it out again in another post? So apparently you have nothing to prove but my mistake on the acreage lol

Anyone with eyes can see that you still have not told me why a sandy, rocky, and barren country is a better choice besides no one stays there. Forget the fact that food would have to be provided for the first 3-5 years and a hell of a lot of money would have to be raised to build an irrigation system to even wet the lands. Then who is to say after that if the soil will even grow crops considering the ores that are mined there? Nah but if we run water across it something must grow right?

I thought that you were an intelligent thinker, but it just shows me you are a nigga that read a book and stuck in the box the book provided lol

I mean you want to throw the word accurate around while you look at a country and judge it as the best choice in Africa when the more you talk, people can easily tell you have never set foot in the country. lol You are just an arm chair knukka armed with a book.

Let's go back and look at what I initially said because I did say that South Africa had a sea port yet you wish to misquote me and say I said it did not. If you go back and READ (which is wolfsbane to NIGGAs like you) you will see that I said they had no need of a NAMIBIAN seaport, not they did not have one.

If you had actually been to Namibia or researched as you claimed you have you would know that they have only been "stable" for 15 years. I guess you don't remember when they were asking the white people to stay in the country to keep the economy going huh? I guess you seem to have missed that part while researching huh white finger?

If you had actually been to Namibia you would have known that white people own almost all the fertile lands and that they are currently going through the same thing Zimbabwe went through with their land reformations, but you forget to mention this as well about the white people and the reformations. If they just took their lands back from white people, what the hell makes you think they are going to put in the hands of another foreigner? Just because you are both the same color? Did you research that White Finger

Oh White Finger you forget to mention how 20% of the population is infected with HIV/AIDS? Not only would we have to survive but instantly come with a lot of aid and medicine for the rest of the country. This seems to have fallen through the cracks of your prolonged research.

Oh White Finger tell me how you are going to irrigate and grow stuff in a desert with shifting sands which is what some parts of Namibia are with her 2 deserts? You can irrigate the land but how are you going to keep the shifting sands from over ruining the plants? Sand clogs and disrupts everything man has made. So tell me how you are going to constantly keep the plants breathing and the water from mixing with the sand. Tell us oh great White Finger.....

I guess you forgot about the unrest after the last election as well too huh? ROFL I forgot you would know that after all you researched that as well. You better do some READING.....I forgot Niggas don't read and when they do what they READ is an iron truth even if it was written by a maniac. LOL

Oh White Finger how do you miss how the government is close to Zimbabwe's to the fact that people call them parallel country's? LOL I guess while researching (or looking at porn getting off when supposedly researching) you missed this fact as well huh?

I forgot you looked at it in a book after extensive research. knukka puhleaze. Someone gave you the idea or you stole it 'cause you sure can't defend it.

And you want to point to accuracy? Muthafugga how about the whole truth? Truths that apparently you are too dumb and/or ignorant to see but you keep wanting to hype up a country on four criteria when at least 30-40 should really be considered.

So White Finger, keep pointing to people thinking they are stupider than you. You have no earthly idea of the country you are talking about. Boxed in nitpicking White Finger next time step foot in a country before you claim you know a country....... So feel free to come through and tell me what words I spelled wrong because everything on the country is a FACT.

BIOTCH!!!!

And that concludes today's intelligent and respectful African American discussion lol Today's discussion was brought to you by the letters R as in READING and F as in Fundamental. It was also sponsored by the letter F as in Facts....

P.S.

If you were as smart as you think you are, you could have easily came back on the sea port argument and said that AFrica does not have a free port and that Namibia would have been the perfect place. White Finger I left you a viable opening just to see where and how your processes run, but apparently they don't. They only follow the prison dictionary you were issued.

If you were smart as you think you are you would have come back and offered making Namibia a financial center of Africa like Bahrain is to Asia and then using the money from the two to work and develop Namibia inland.

But like most knukkas reading over the shoulders of the next man's plan you did not know how to make the plan flexible. You can only think to the edge of your asshole. Maybe if you took your head out of it, you could see the world as it really is, if you bothered to visit it..........

Cue James Bond Goldfinger theme song........

Whiiiite... Fingerrrrrrrrrrrrr.....
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@blacksanction

lol

Depends on who you talk to currently...LOL The white people being evicted thinks that it is the government and the poor Namibians waiting on land reformations thinks it is the white people, the Germans who intially came and slaughter many Africans and the South African white people who came in and took over later.

I mean that small patch of land has some bloody history and the Namibians are really bitter toward foreigners period.
To me, going "back" to Africa means conceding that these White American NAZI had the right to annihilate the Indians and steal a continent. I wonder how many so called {native Americans" want to upchuck their lunch every time they hear some paleface say homeland.

As far as I'm concerned African American means the same thing as ni66uh NAZI. I won't have an American flag in my house.

umbrarchist
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Actually Angola has a river running through it that runs into Botswana the only other country that would benefit from a namibian seaport but I guess it is easier to move stuff down the river than drag it over rocks. safteyblitz


I will mail you a check for $100 if you can show me any river that runs from the Atlantic Ocean through Angola and into Botswana. None exist, but I guess you were just running off at the mouth again.

I am sorry, but did I not say the move to Africa would be very difficult. If you want a country w/ out any problems maybe you should stay in America.

In regards to all of the other stuff you just posted....

No comment, other then just stay yo' monky azz on the plantantion!
@ Whyyyte Fingerrrr (blaqfist) Still to the tune of James Bond Goldfinger......LOL

(Not sure why when I was reading this the Diet Dr.Pepper commercial came on with the all the people in the back ground singing, Mah-Nah-Mah-Nah..... I guess that is what I get out of your typings LOL)

You still got nothing but insults and looking for a way around the facts that I posted earlier. Before I go any further the first thing I have to say is don't come to me again trying to prove points to me using white men in reference to Africa.....That is a slap in the face to ALL Africans bringing up a reference to Pilgrims......That's like making a reference to the Skinheads when explaining the Panthers because they were both radical and armed.....that ain't blaq in no way....so check yo' self......

You come on and imcompetently seep through everything I posted about a country that you know nothing about. Instead of coming on and giving a reason why Namibia should be choice number one unequivicably, you come on and weakly state, there is no river than runs from the Ocean through Angola to Botswana. lol

I am sure if you look hard enough you will also see that I misspelled some words as well as used incorrect grammar. lol Until you step your game up, I am renaming you whyte finger because you don't have the Africaness or the strength in you to represent us one of our fists.

So back to the discussion, because I should not have even stooped to call you a knikka, but you are a bitch. And when I say that I mean as in being a man whining about something that has nothing to do with the problem at hand. You called me out on a guesstimation about acreage, but I have cornered you on EVERYTHING else on the country.......why?......'Cuz you got nothing.......you had a whole weekend to look it up and study and you respond with a weak ass response like you did about something it is obvious that you know nothing about.....the continent of Africa LOL

Have you set foot anywhere on the continent before? Or are you reading maps and books like a lot of E Warriors and Net Revolutionaries? Sorry White finger but a lot of us live in the real world. Until you can tell me that you have walked on 5 of the 7 continents you can't tell me ish about the world. Until you have been TO ANY AFRICAN COUNTRY and I ain't talking about the northern most fair skin countries like Egypt and Morrocco either, you can't tell me ish about Western and lower African either.

So quit sitting on your thumb and massaging your prostrate like a fag and go see the world. Perhaps then you will meet a woman and get all that stress off your chest. I came here in peace, but since I was new to the board, you thought I was weak and easy to pick on, Whyte Finger you are DEAD WRONG.....

Oh and to slap your ass in the face there is a river in Angola that is not shown on all the maps named the Cuvo (Keve or Queve which it is known by as well) that you can go all the way through to Botswana by drifting into tributaries connecting to the Cubango (or Kubango). Again if you had researched this and actually been there, you could have reminded me that the Cuvo is too small to hold commercial traffic to supply Botswana. Instead you can only say "AH HA...there is no connection!!!" Based on your feeble knowledge of the terrain.....

You look at a map that probably does not even show the Cuvo since it is not considered a major riverway. The problem is that me actually GOING TO THE COUNTRIES in question, I have a general idea of the layout of the area. Why? because in case during my training we got off course we had to know the terrain and major land marks of Angola as well.....Heck there are many tributaries we have here in the city of Memphis off the Mississippi that do not show up on maps and you can literally float an oil tanker into a person's back yard during the rainy season since they are just that deep, but they never show up on city maps but everyone in the city knows about them. SO how can you say that Angolan land marks not shown on a map are true? I bet you didn't even know that Cuban troops had landed there before did you? So how are you going to tell me about Africa a place you have never set foot in Whyte Finger?

Again, you offer no knowledge on going back to Africa and since you attempted to call me out, IGNORANTLY if I may add, you have only succeeded in showing your own weaknesses on providing logic or facts to back up claims about Namibia as well as you cave dweller trait to insult things that you do not understand or differ from your preconceived notions.

Anyone who has been to Africa KNOWS that many other countries have used Africa as a test bed for new weapons or military strategy in the past 30 years. The US, Eastern Europe and the Soviets have fought many wars under the guise of African country versus African country or African civil wars by providing equipment and "military advisors" who were troops of said countries. You even go as far to claim Namibia to be the perfect choice when she is not only near Angola who has landmines everywhere including seeping over the Namibian border since people fled there sometimes and even required us to be armed to the teeth when near Angolan borders in case we ran into them or to walk very carefully in case we stepped on a Russian made land mine......

Instead you look at my reaming you about

Negro put down the book and go to the countries in question and quit trying to prove that you know something that the next man told you.....WHYTE FINGER....

I posted some serious questions to your migrate to Namibia chant and all you have to back it up with is an insult about keeping my monkey ass on the plantation. If you had come with a real argument, just MAYBE I could see where you are coming from, but do to the insults and LACK of a real answer to anything I posted earlier apparently you have nothing. Not even another country to offer up so that we can seriously look at. You are just a bunch of talk

Do you need your theme song again? oh and here is your map...Whyte Finger LOL

@ The intelligent people of the AfricanAmerica.org who can communicate without insults

On a serious note besides the shifting desert that our questionable brother white finger wants to irrigate, I think a lot of us could easily look to choices like:

1. How long has the country been stable?

2. Are the residents fighting each other or outside forces?

3. What benefit can we offer each other if we decide to settle there?

4. What role would be allowed to play in politics?

5. What role would be allowed economically?

6. Would we be viewed as Americans or accepted as citizens?

I mean even if South Africa hypothetically held open arms and asked all AAs to come there but had high internal tensions as well as only allowing us to not be represented in government, would it be worth the move when another country, hypothetically like Finger's Namibia was positive toward us on the 6 questions above?

Also, how much responsibility would we be willing to accept to help said countries in which some are over run with resource mismanagement, disease and faminine? My questions or thinking really is would we be going to escape or to help rebuild?
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You still got nothing but insults and looking for a way around the facts that I posted earlier. Before I go any further the first thing I have to say is don't come to me again trying to prove points to me using white men in reference to Africa.....That is a slap in the face to ALL Africans bringing up a reference to Pilgrims......That's like making a reference to the Skinheads when explaining the Panthers because they were both radical and armed.....that ain't blaq in no way....so check yo' self......


What the hell are you talking about? I am not going to explain the reason why I used the Pilgrim analogy, it will only frustrate you more.

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You come on and imcompetently seep through everything I posted about a country that you know nothing about.


I know Namibia is not the size of California. You an idiot I have caught you in several lies and the Cuvo river could not support Botswana, it runs through several mountian ranges..

Your an idiot.
What a bunch of unintelligible gibberish
And apparently that is all you know about the country, the size.......Whyyyyte Fingerrrrr........and i gave you that, but keep harping on that but easily ignore everything else that has been told to you. lol

Oh and I know why you used the Pilgrim analogy.....that is all you have to go by HIStory LOL That is why I said you will be using other white people to explain another African situation lol

You should have kept it respectful....Whyyyyte Fingerrrrrr......cuz i would have respected you instead cornering your ass but I will let you cling onto my acreage faux paux on namibia because that is all you have as you cling onto it like Linus and his blanket since this is like the third or fourth time you have brought it up, are you gonna make it one more?

Forget the points on namibia I made because they are clear as day and if they were not I am sure that someone would have attacked me on them,including you as you have on the acreage many times. Why because that is all you have....so even though the map which shut you up is gibberish, I guess your own eyes lie as well.

hey white finger guess what? I did actually misquote the size of namibia....damn I guess that soaked your ammo......No doubt you will use it again anyway lol
Isn't all this talk about blacks all moving to Africa just a waste of time? How realistic is it to expect that a significant number of black Americans will be willing to leave a 1st world nation and go live in a 3rd world nation? At most, you'll have a small number of individuals willing to try such a thing - so if they want to go now, nothing's stopping them. Go. But you'll never get enough to establish a community, let alone a country. Admittedly it was already tried with Liberia - but that was in a time before we became soft and used to our modern comforts.

Call me crazy, but I figure there's probably a reason why Africans are emmigrating to the 1st world and not vice versa.

All this "repatriation" talk is just that - talk. It's a fantasy that's distracting some from dealing with the problems they're facing here at home.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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Originally posted by Billygoat:
Isn't all this talk about blacks all moving to Africa just a waste of time? How realistic is it to expect that a significant number of black Americans will be willing to leave a 1st world nation and go live in a 3rd world nation? At most, you'll have a small number of individuals willing to try such a thing - so if they want to go now, nothing's stopping them. Go. But you'll never get enough to establish a community, let alone a country. Admittedly it was already tried with Liberia - but that was in a time before we became soft and used to our modern comforts.

Call me crazy, but I figure there's probably a reason why Africans are emmigrating to the 1st world and not vice versa.

All this "repatriation" talk is just that - talk. It's a fantasy that's distracting some from dealing with the problems they're facing here at home.

Just my 2 cents worth.


Billygoat, your 2 cents worth is well take an is what the majority of African Americans are thinking. But it only take a small group to create a community. Once the community begin to become a 1st world nation then other will join the nation and other will be more supported of the nation. We all know that only a small percent of us will be brave enough to take that bold step. We have the knowledge and the skills to create independent country we just need some courage to begin the process.
@blaqfist

Even though I was wrong on the size of Namibia and you could not support any of the facts that you had on the region, still we should not have been derogatory towards each other because we disagreed on what would be the most viable spot for us to return to LOL

I mean come to think of it how retarded is that for two Africans Americans talking about re uniting our people with Africans and we cannot get along our damned selves? LOL

I mean you may support Namibia and I support another spot on the continent, but still let's agree to disagree RESPECTFULLY and if you have to correct me, I have no problem learning from my mistakes. But let's come to each other as brothers instead of condescending as if we were adversaries from the start.....

Truce?

Because I do not want to take away from premise of this TO ME vital thread with our unnecessary bickering and insults...... Smile
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Originally posted by Billygoat:
Isn't all this talk about blacks all moving to Africa just a waste of time? How realistic is it to expect that a significant number of black Americans will be willing to leave a 1st world nation and go live in a 3rd world nation? At most, you'll have a small number of individuals willing to try such a thing - so if they want to go now, nothing's stopping them. Go. But you'll never get enough to establish a community, let alone a country. Admittedly it was already tried with Liberia - but that was in a time before we became soft and used to our modern comforts.

Call me crazy, but I figure there's probably a reason why Africans are emmigrating to the 1st world and not vice versa.

All this "repatriation" talk is just that - talk. It's a fantasy that's distracting some from dealing with the problems they're facing here at home.

Just my 2 cents worth.


Billygoat, your 2 cents worth is well take an is what the majority of African Americans are thinking. But it only take a small group to create a community. Once the community begin to become a 1st world nation then other will join the nation and other will be more supported of the nation. We all know that only a small percent of us will be brave enough to take that bold step. We have the knowledge and the skills to create independent country we just need some courage to begin the process.


I honestly think that a lot of us would go with the promise of a home in a clean area, electricity, running water, decent education, a place to make money, and a decent place to raise our kids that was semi stable. Considering some of our neighborhoods HERE in America do not offer that a move may not be so bad if they actually were to weigh both sides.

@all

if we could comprise a list of things that we think would be important to African Americans, I could bounce that off a a group of regular every day people and see what they think would be most important but we would have to be finished with the list by Sunday evening.

I will return my results in about two days and someone can do some research on the top countries that fit the criteria of what people looked for most. Or we can all do it and compare results and then have someone find the best country to fit this.

What do you guys think?
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I honestly think that a lot of us would go with the promise of a home in a clean area, electricity, running water, decent education, a place to make money, and a decent place to raise our kids that was semi stable.


Ummm...we are talking about Africa, right? I'm with Blacksanction on this one.

I am curious: is there truly a movement to get African Americans to emmigrate to Africa? Have those involved in such a movement, if it exists, been to Africa at all? Have they found a suitable location? Or is it all just escapist fantasy?

This talk of "re-uniting" with "African brothers" strikes me as completely absurd - how many Africans would consider Americans, black or not, as their brothers? They have enough trouble amongst themselves, let alone 1st world people from another continent. This isn't meant to be derogatory to Africans - I just think that some people here are fooling themselves if they think that their skin colour is going to mean any kind of special connection with Africans.
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I am curious: is there truly a movement to get African Americans to emmigrate to Africa? Have those involved in such a movement, if it exists, been to Africa at all? Have they found a suitable location? Or is it all just escapist fantasy?

This talk of "re-uniting" with "African brothers" strikes me as completely absurd - how many Africans would consider Americans, black or not, as their brothers?
DO SOME RESEARCH!
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Originally posted by Billygoat:
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I honestly think that a lot of us would go with the promise of a home in a clean area, electricity, running water, decent education, a place to make money, and a decent place to raise our kids that was semi stable.


Ummm...we are talking about Africa, right? I'm with Blacksanction on this one.

I am curious: is there truly a movement to get African Americans to emmigrate to Africa? Have those involved in such a movement, if it exists, been to Africa at all? Have they found a suitable location? Or is it all just escapist fantasy?

This talk of "re-uniting" with "African brothers" strikes me as completely absurd - how many Africans would consider Americans, black or not, as their brothers? They have enough trouble amongst themselves, let alone 1st world people from another continent. This isn't meant to be derogatory to Africans - I just think that some people here are fooling themselves if they think that their skin colour is going to mean any kind of special connection with Africans.


Which brings me back to questioning how many have actually visited countries on the continent? All of the countries are not at war and some are of the cities are quite beautiful and rival Miami.

Out of being here for 500 years and free for really only around 35 years, what have we gotten besides a hard time?
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Originally posted by Billygoat:
So Safetyblitz, are you planning to take a trip over there to check it out?

And there's another question: is there a need to creat a new country, or to head over there en masse? There's nothing stopping individuals from emmigrating if they want to.


Actually, I have been there many times courtesy of the US Marines. Africa is not all war, famine and disease as they crack it up to be.

Check out these pictures

Johannesburg


Nairobi (Notice the people in the background in BUSINESS Suits as well as the surrounding architecture)


Heading out but I can give more later. Africa was colonized by white people remember? LOL THey did everything they could to be comfortable in the land of the native savages which is how they still see us. Major cities in most African countries were developed but not to the extent of the US and Europe, so the land is still ripe with natural resources.

That is why China is being friendly with Africa at the moment. Notice they are Mugabe's friend now. Why? Because Africa has something to offer.....Maybe if some of us migrated back and put in as much work as the rapers of Africa, we could benefit too, but we would have to drop the moniker American, which TO ME would be the largest issue.
I too is from Nevis and I will bet you if we are allow to go back to Africa it will be because there is nothing there with which to earn a living that land have been raped for years if we get it back now it will be because it is dead!!
It will be nice to go see it but living there would have to be carefully studied We don't want to jump from the frying pan into the fire.
Those who want to go back need to do some serious research first , it sound romantic but so was the titanic
I feel displaced but I don't know that going to Africa will cure that , first of all there is the language difference the government of those countries are not too enthusiastic about changing and the whotoos and Tootsies almost murdered each other just to name a few
Are we ready for that kind of life ??
It's not perfect here but let's face it it's not perfect anywhere.
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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
How about just visiting (recon) first before moving? Smile

I would go but have decided that if I was going to a country ruled by a black majority it might as well be St. Kitts- Nevis (my birth country).
No snakes, poisonous insects or spiders. No maleria,politically stable (bonus they speak english), no civil wars... Oh crap

Yes yes go to Africa, forget about what I mentioned.

Move along nothing to see but Africa.
No the largest issue is Once we do all that work what stop the outsiders from coming back and claim it again ?
Let me tell you something I am from Nevis When I was young we played on Pinneys beach when ever we wanted to , now it is owned by outsiders , if we want to go on that beach we need permission which of course we will never get .
Right now Africa is poverty for most part and outsiders supply guns so they can murder each other and if you say no then explain to me how people with no money for food could afford guns ???
There has to be a reason why they are being supply with guns and it sure isn't to help those poor people get better.
someone has big plans for that place but it sure ain't to send a bunch of African americans there unless it is to work to make it easier for them !!!Think friend , think !!! Why are they being supply with guns , and by whom?
That way when who ever is doing this arrive it will be easy because most of the people would have murdered each other and the others will be too tired of war to make much of a fuss.
This is the only reason why my reply will have to be Hell no I won't Go !!!
let them do their own dirty work
I just hope my African brothers realise they are being used before it is too late !!!
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Originally posted by safetyblitz:
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Originally posted by Billygoat:
So Safetyblitz, are you planning to take a trip over there to check it out?

And there's another question: is there a need to creat a new country, or to head over there en masse? There's nothing stopping individuals from emmigrating if they want to.


Actually, I have been there many times courtesy of the US Marines. Africa is not all war, famine and disease as they crack it up to be.

Check out these pictures

Johannesburg


Nairobi (Notice the people in the background in BUSINESS Suits as well as the surrounding architecture)


Heading out but I can give more later. Africa was colonized by white people remember? LOL THey did everything they could to be comfortable in the land of the native savages which is how they still see us. Major cities in most African countries were developed but not to the extent of the US and Europe, so the land is still ripe with natural resources.

That is why China is being friendly with Africa at the moment. Notice they are Mugabe's friend now. Why? Because Africa has something to offer.....Maybe if some of us migrated back and put in as much work as the rapers of Africa, we could benefit too, but we would have to drop the moniker American, which TO ME would be the largest issue.
That's our biggest problem we cannot get anywhere because we won't work together to help each other .
In Toronto Canada I watch Italians they live together save together till one day you hear they own the block .
I went to a black party and by the end of the evening the police had to arrest 25 people and we were all black friends !!
For the ones who think all they have to do to cure their problem is go back to Africa May I strongly suggest they look in a mirror while they ask Who am I really ?
I say I am black but do I like my heritage or am I just mad because I have been progromned to be pissed off because that keep me from working with my people to accomplish anything ??
If we work together there will be no stopping us but we have been programned to be covitious and paranoid so we can never unite this is how we are being controlled and we are so buisy doing it we don't even notice !!!
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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
I can't agree on the dog analogy.

It has nothing to do with curring favour of the whites.

I have this theory that I like to call "Black Begrudgement" Basically it is that blacks unlike asians or arabs do not as a community want their brothers or sisters to do better than them.

Instead of thinking that if one suceeds we all do we get that if one does better then we need to bring him/her down.

We do not pool our resources and intellects for the betterment of our communities.

Q- would Oprah be as popular if not for her white female audience??
Yeh but they do their shit there and we get it back here if they grow dope there it end up here or we get blamed for it
Like the other day this total stranger came up to me and start asking me "How does so many people in Africa catch Aids?"
After the initial shock the only answer I could get out (because I am a lady ) is the same way they do here!!
How the Hell will I ever make a wild guess how they catch Aids in Africa?
Somehow just because I am black this chick think I should know !!!
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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
I say fuck the idea of going anywhere and do a Castro - send all the gangbangers and crackheads to deepest darkest Africa on a oneway trip. tfro
Annie quote

Like the other day this total stranger came up to me and start asking me "How does so many people in Africa catch Aids?"
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Just like they do everywhere else shear stupidity Smile

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Annie my brother (born here) just moved back to St. Kitts and is doing alright.
I think my mother is planning to go back in a few years. I will probably follow part time once I retire in 10 years.

Africa for America!!
quote:
Originally posted by Annie:
No the largest issue is Once we do all that work what stop the outsiders from coming back and claim it again ?
Let me tell you something I am from Nevis When I was young we played on Pinneys beach when ever we wanted to , now it is owned by outsiders , if we want to go on that beach we need permission which of course we will never get .
Right now Africa is poverty for most part and outsiders supply guns so they can murder each other and if you say no then explain to me how people with no money for food could afford guns ???
There has to be a reason why they are being supply with guns and it sure isn't to help those poor people get better.
someone has big plans for that place but it sure ain't to send a bunch of African americans there unless it is to work to make it easier for them !!!Think friend , think !!! Why are they being supply with guns , and by whom?
That way when who ever is doing this arrive it will be easy because most of the people would have murdered each other and the others will be too tired of war to make much of a fuss.
This is the only reason why my reply will have to be Hell no I won't Go !!!
let them do their own dirty work
I just hope my African brothers realise they are being used before it is too late !!!
quote:
Originally posted by safetyblitz:
quote:
Originally posted by Billygoat:
So Safetyblitz, are you planning to take a trip over there to check it out?

And there's another question: is there a need to creat a new country, or to head over there en masse? There's nothing stopping individuals from emmigrating if they want to.


Actually, I have been there many times courtesy of the US Marines. Africa is not all war, famine and disease as they crack it up to be.

Check out these pictures

Johannesburg


Nairobi (Notice the people in the background in BUSINESS Suits as well as the surrounding architecture)


Heading out but I can give more later. Africa was colonized by white people remember? LOL THey did everything they could to be comfortable in the land of the native savages which is how they still see us. Major cities in most African countries were developed but not to the extent of the US and Europe, so the land is still ripe with natural resources.

That is why China is being friendly with Africa at the moment. Notice they are Mugabe's friend now. Why? Because Africa has something to offer.....Maybe if some of us migrated back and put in as much work as the rapers of Africa, we could benefit too, but we would have to drop the moniker American, which TO ME would be the largest issue.


But all of Africa is not at war LOL You make it to sound as if the whole continent is engage in war.

The US is constantly at war as we stay here. I cannot tell you how many knock down drag out battles this country has been in that did not even make the news and you all thought that we were at peace......

I mean who is to say if African Americans banded together here that someone would not come along and buy them out or run them off? It happened in Tulsa in the early part of the century when our part of town was doing well and guess that the poorer white people did? Get mad and burn our part of town to the ground as well as to kill us indiscriminately. Then when we put up a fight and appeared to be winning, the army comes in to break up the fight but not repel the white invaders, BUT put down the black resistance by bombing us with airplanes and disarming the rest of us and marching us to concentration camps.

Now tell me how is this any different than what could happen in Africa? Or do I have to throw in the crack wars of the 1980s for more urban warfare relations versus Africa? Because the same armor piercing bullets sold to Africans are also fired in our communities as well now....

Going back to Africa is in part a dream and not roses all around, but it is a thought when it comes to starting completely over and having the chance to build something.
The only way we as Black America an as African descendants will gain freedom, respect and justice is to gain some kind of control or influence in our ancestor land Africa. We as a part of the black race will always be seen as descendants of slaves and will always be treated in that manner here in America and through the world if we continue to allow ourselves to be identified in that manner. Every race throughout times has been oppressed or enslaved in one form or another. The Black American are the only ones who have carried this identification too long. It's time that we become just African descendants. Unite and discuss the development of an Independent Homelands in Africa.

Kakai
African American Homeland Coalition
http://www.aahlc.org
Horace-
I am not sure what you mean, but are you saying once a slave always a slave.

NNNNNNooooooooo protest


Just because you leave the US and go to Africa does not mean you will be free. You have to beileve that you are already free in your mind or you will never progress no matter where you go.
You can either have a slave mentality and stay shackled to the past, waiting for someone to notice or you can look around at the opportunities, of which there are many, and do something about your lot in life.
Wow great posting everyone. I'm all for the Black to Africa thing. But we do need to find land and Africans willing to make us part of there country. But one question? We would need to build a strong Military, CIA and FBI. We just can't rely on the local military. Because we can't risk them being attack too. Because of our former restidents don't like what we'er doing.
YES, we do need NUKES! That goes for you tree huggers. Because if our former countries start seeing us getting better. They would want to start something. BIG DARK AFRICANS WITH NUKES! That's enough to scare any White person 2 death. LOL! We would have to one of the best Militaries in the world. Not just in one area but all. China has been known to the best Army fighters. America has best the military. The her strongest point is the Air Force. But we need to the best.
lets us be pragmatic and I love the enthusiasim of my people wanting to come back home and grow but to be realistic thats a dream that will never happen. The only way it can happen is if you make your own way to the Motherland. In Zimbabwe when we took the land from the whitemen in 1999 most of my friends from North Carolina who had farms are doing well despite the negativity Zim get from western press.

Africans (blacks) want to remain close in a world (dream) of isolation

whitemen think its about camaraderie and micro-economic power and hatred.


Wakafa saying "we must keep all negative thoughts out of our minds concerning other people, lets work on our own".

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