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Second Night of Protests In Brooklyn After Police Shooting Of 16 Year Old.


CNN PRODUCER NOTE     JoelGraham and photographer Joel Graham covered the second night of protests in East Flatbush, Brooklyn, where undercover police shot and killed 16-year-old Kimani Gray on Saturday night, according to CNN affiliate NY1. Monday night’s vigil ended in violence. But Tuesday night’s rally was rather quiet. Graham described the scene: “There was heavy police presence. When it started to get a little quiet, I noticed all the flashing lights a few streets down. And that was the protest in action that you see [in the photos]. There were no violent vibes. It was more organized... a lot of lights involved. It had that Occupy feel to it. I knew almost right away that there wasn’t going to be any trouble,” he said.

“This is not just about the shooting and whether or not he had a gun. It is about putting a stop to stop and frisk, the civil rights violations,” he said.
- zdan, CNN iReport producer






A second night of protests were held in East Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York after undercover police shot and killed 16 year old Kimani Gray on Saturday night. On Monday night, a candlelight vigil ended in violence and looting along Church Avenue.

Last night's gatherings were coordinated using social media. The original vigil was cancelled due to weather but various community members made appearances at a gathering at Church Ave. and East 55th St. Councilman Jumanne Williams, Councilman Charles Barron and Gray family spokesperson Gilford Monrose spoke to the press regarding the controversial "stop and frisk" procedure employed by the New York Police Department as well as systemic problems with police and community relations in that area of New York. They site a history of alleged harassment and abuse from the NYPD and are calling for an end to the stop and frisk policy in that they feel it not only violates the civil rights of those who are stopped, but is racial in nature.

Councilman Barron stated that the protests and violence were a result from simmering animosity between the people who live in his district and the police department.
There was an undercurrent among the gathering, where many believe that Kimani Gray did not have a gun and that the weapon was planted by the NYPD. One source told me they are prepared to prove this and stated there is video of the shooting which has not been released as of Tuesday.

A separate group of protesters gathered several block west and were more vocal as they taunted the heavy police presence along Church Avenue. They organized and marched west along Church to Norstrand Avenue, roughly 25 blocks in a vocal but non-violent protest. Police in riot gear followed on the streets as the protesters marched along the sidewalk chanting, "NYPD-KKK-how many kids will you kill today?" At Norstrand they marched a few blocks south to Snyder Street where the 67th Precinct is located. The street was barricaded and there were police on horses in front of the police station in the distance.

One reliable sounding teenager told me he knew Kimani Gray socially and that "even if he had a gun he didn't have it in him to point it at the police." I asked the youth about the Youtube videos that I viewed that showed Gray slapping a young teenager and Gray's purported membership in a gang. The teen scoffed and called the Youtube video, "kid stuff," and went on to insist that in his circle of friends, Gray's behavior and activities are not seen as being a big deal and that everyone agrees that they were surprised to hear that Gray had a weapon. He emphasized that if that were true, everyone also agrees Gray wasn't, "stupid enough" to point it at the police.

The next vigil is schedule for this evening at 7:00 p.m. and sources have informed me that Kimani Gray's mother will speak. There has been an overall call for non violence from community members and protesters.

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I like this story!!! 


We always talk about what Black people need to do in a situation like this.  And these Black people are doing something that needs to be done!!!  They are out there .... protesting ... getting media coverage ... getting a light shined on injustice.  We need to have our voices heard ... before anybody's gonna do anything about it.


I think it's also good that several city council people were out there, showing up and speaking out as well.  They are the elected officials/representatives for those people!!  It'll be interesting to see how this turns out.

It seems to me that our males have a Caucasian WAR undeclared against them.  It has been this way for centuries.  Why are these "people" so afraid of our boys and men?  What is wrong with our boys and men shooting and killing each other?  We need more than our voices being heard.  I just read where this child war shot 7 times.   Caucasians are racially insane and Africans are just insane with all this killing.  What needs to happen is separation of the two races of people.  We're never going to have any semblance of peace while trying to exist here, ever!!  We really need to get the hell out of America and we don't have any resources to do so.  That's the problem.  We have no control over US and OURS.  Massa's alive and kicking ass!!

Originally Posted by EbonyRose:

I like this story!!! 


We always talk about what Black people need to do in a situation like this.  And these Black people are doing something that needs to be done!!!  They are out there .... protesting ... getting media coverage ... getting a light shined on injustice.  We need to have our voices heard ... before anybody's gonna do anything about it.


I think it's also good that several city council people were out there, showing up and speaking out as well.  They are the elected officials/representatives for those people!!  It'll be interesting to see how this turns out.


Absolutely!  And several City Council persons being there speaking out is exactly what should be happening when incidents like this occur.  I hope that other politicians, Civil Rights leaders, and any and every other person or group will join them as a show of disdain for police that murder people in cold blood and for police that murder children in cold blood.  

Okay .... well, this kinda brings it all together!!




Mother of teen shot by N.Y. police demands investigation

By Ashley Fantz and Dana Ford, CNN
updated 10:41 PM EDT, Thu March 14, 2013







(CNN) -- The mother of a Brooklyn teenager shot and killed by police demanded an investigation Thursday, saying he was "slaughtered" and that she wants to know why.

Kimani Gray, 16, died over the weekend. His death triggered protests in Flatbush, a community in Brooklyn where distrust of the police runs deep.


"I'm still waiting for Kimani to come home," Carol Gray told reporters during an emotional news conference. She wore dark sunglasses and struggled to speak as she recalled picking the color of her son's casket.


"He has a curfew," she said. "Sometimes he's late. Sometimes he's early depending on the night. But whatever time he gets there, I'll be real happy to see him as soon as the bell rings. And for the past couple of days, the bell hasn't rung."


According to police, plainclothes officers were on patrol in their car in Flatbush when they saw a group of men gathered on the street at about 11:30 p.m. Saturday.


As the officers got closer, Kimani Gray broke from the group and adjusted his waistband. The teen "continued to act in a suspicious manner," so the officers got out of their unmarked car and tried to get his attention, said a NYPD statement.


Kimani Gray then "turned on them," it said, and pointed a .38-caliber revolver at the officers. They fired at the teenager, striking him.


The teen died at a hospital, and a loaded .38 was recovered from the scene, the statement said.


One officer fired four rounds; another fired seven, according to NYPD Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne. Both are now on administrative duty.


The officers were taken to a hospital and treated for what the department described as trauma and tinnitus, a ringing in the ears.


Gray said that her son was killed in front of his best friend's house. She described him as a typical teenager, into girls and hanging out with friends.


Most people in the city likely don't believe what police say happened Saturday, said Councilman Charles Barron, who appeared with the teen's mother at the news conference.


For her part, Carol Gray said she did not think her son had a gun, but added, "I wasn't there."


"He is not the public's angel, but he's my angel, and he's my baby, and he was slaughtered and I want to know why," she said.


By Monday, anger at the shooting boiled over, with a mob of young people interrupting a vigil by running wildly into local businesses, according to an eyewitness. Police said they arrested two people that day.


On Tuesday, another protest brought out a mostly calm crowd that returned Wednesday, anticipating that Gray's mother would speak, said iReporter and professional photographer Joel Graham.


But the hope for a peaceful crowd faded when about 30 young men showed up across the street from the vigil, he said.


"They were not coming out of the shadow. They were staying in the dark area of the street. You just knew it was going to turn into the cops trying to contain those kids who were obviously gonna go for it," Graham said. "That just stopped the original intention of the night."


Graham began to take photos, watching as kids crossed the street toward the protesters. Community leaders started shouting for everyone to calm down and asked anyone taking pictures to stop so they could talk to the young men and calm things down, the photographer told CNN.


"These kids broke loose and took off. The police were caught off-guard," Graham said. "Those kids really know the streets, and they're spreading out and going down side streets away from the main street."


Next came the sound of breaking glass and rolling trash cans, Graham said, and business owners quickly pulled down their metal store-front security coverings.


One officer received a gash to his face while another was pushed off his scooter, police said.


Forty-six arrests were made, including two juveniles, with the majority charged with disorderly conduct.


On Thursday, Mayor Michael Bloomberg offered condolences to Gray's family and said that more must be done to stop gun violence.


"I can promise you that we will conduct a full and fair investigation," he said. "I understand there's anger in the community, but the ways to get answers is not through violence or law breaking. We cannot tolerate that and we will not tolerate that."


The mayor said, "there's nothing we can do to undo the tragedy for the family, but we've just got to get guns out of the hands of kids and of the people who should not have them."


Flatbush is a place where many people distrust the police, and gun violence is part of everyday life, some residents say.


"As a black man growing up in Flatbush, you just expect to be harassed by the cops, pulled over, arrested and now just straight up killed," said Shanduke McPhatter, a 35-year-old former gang member who works with young men in the neighborhood.


"That's what's happening out here. And kids are doing it to themselves to -- they doing the crime, too -- and you got cops who don't live here coming in here so hard, too hard. That's how we got a situation like Kimani Gray."


The violence over Gray's death will eventually subside, but the intense distrust of police will rear itself again violently soon enough in Flatbush, said Lumumba Akinwole-Bandele, a senior organizer with the NAACP.


A Brooklyn resident for 41 years, he and McPhatter told CNN there are big problems to address.


"There are no community centers here," McPhatter said. "That has to change. You have to be here and get involved.


"And for the cops, they just need to take that badge away and talk, talk to us like human beings. We're asking them to do that, and we've gotta open up and talk to them. We have to do our part, too. Otherwise, this is just going to keep happening."



All that to just end in a beg:

""And for the cops, they just need to take that badge away and talk, talk to us like human beings. We're asking them to do that, and we've gotta open up and talk to them. We have to do our part, too. Otherwise, this is just going to keep happening."



I'd like to know what G-damn part that WE have?!  When in the history of this country have African Americans systematically and constantly murdered police officers?  How many times has a police officer been just standing somewhere and some Black person just drives up from no where and starts shooting?  How many times has a Black person just shot a police officer in the head or in the back as he/she was running away?  How many times have Black people kicked in the door of a police officer's home and ran in and gunned down that officer?  How many times have Black people came up on a police officer just sitting in their car minding their own business [or while he/she was passed out in the car and when awakened], and riddled his/her car with bullets, shooting the officer at least 40 times?  How many times have Black people shot and killed little White children because they were trying to shoot a police officer?  

Freak the beg, it's time that Black people all over America demand that racist and psychopathic police officer stop LYNCHING BLACK PEOPLE AND STOP MURDERING OUR CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Yemaya:

Sunnubian, adults just don't give a damn. Its the young people who are getting out there on these marches, vigils and protests.


Well, quite frankly ..... I would say it's SUPPOSED to be the young people who are supposed to get out there and march, vigil and protest!!


For one .... they're much more (physically) suited for it; 2) they're the ones that most things that NEED protesting about are getting done to!!  So they should be speaking out for themselves; and 3) if you look at our history, it has almost always historically been the generational youth of the Black race that 'take it to the streets' in order to protest for change.


To be fair, though ... in looking through several of the photo galleries of pictures of the incident .... there seems to be some of all age groups involved.  Now, granted ... I only see BLACK PEOPLE in those pictures (where are all the Latinos who everybody says are supposed to be "with us" for this protest ... since, they, too, are supposed to be just as discriminated against as we are?? ).


But, lastly .... it should be noted that ..... while it was  mainly the young people of the community who did turn out to offer support - and, by all accounts did a great job of conducting a PEACEFUL vigil and march of protest in the RIGHT way .... it was also acknowledged (by those in-the-community protesters) that it was YOUNG PEOPLE -from outside the community - who took it upon themselves to come in and start the DISTURBANCE that ended up turning something good into somethingviolent and destructive!!! 


It would have been so much better for ALL concerned and for the movement itself WITHOUT that kind of negativism!!  But ... that, too, has it's historic roots.  "Youth" have always tended to be much more volatile in certain situations.  And it's usually "adults" to have to appeal for calm ... and rationality ... and reasonability.


The real test is whether or not the "young folks" can be reasoned with ... and made to listen and respond in kind.

I understand both of your point-of-views, because, really, the older generation is damn near burned out by the magnitude and depth of the extreme violence and indifference and disrespect and lack of empathy of many in this generation.  At the same time it has been young people, historically that have did the majority of the protesting and demanding and bringing about change.  

2 NYPD officers who shot teen had faced lawsuits

<cite class="byline vcard">Associated Press – <abbr class="updated" title="2013-03-16T23:54:31Z">3 hrs ago</abbr></cite>




NEW YORK (AP) — Two police officers who killed a 16-year-old boy on a New York City street have been sued for alleged civil rights violations related to other encounters with the public, the Daily News reported Saturday.


The city has paid $215,000 to settle three lawsuits against Sgt. Mourad Mourad and two against officer Jovaniel Cordova, the newspaper reported ( ).


The officers were in Brooklyn's East Flatbush section March 9 when they tried to stop and question 16-year-old Kimani Gray on the street. Police say the officers, who were not wearing uniforms, shot the teen after he pulled a gun.


Gray's killing prompted a week of protest marches in Brooklyn, including some incidents that turned violent, with people ransacking a market and throwing items at police officers and police vehicles.


The civil rights lawsuits against Mourad and Cordova were filed by people who claimed they were illegally stopped and roughed up under the police department's stop-and-frisk program, where officers confront people they suspect might be carrying weapons.


A lawyer for the city's law department said the settlements did not indicate the officers were out of line. The two officers generally police dangerous high crime areas.


"None of these civil claims were tried, and the officers were not found to have engaged in any wrongdoing," said city lawyer Muriel Goode-Trufant. "The decision to settle should not be held against them."



Information from: Daily News,

If the cops are not wearing their uniforms, how the hell are folks supposed to know they're cops?  Are they cops when not uniformed, or men wandering; frisking; wanting to make a kill? These cops are no different from the Crips and Bloods, really.


LAPD/NYPD = LEGALIZED criminals.  Let's just hope the NYPD doesn't cremating.


Oprah needs to start a show on her Channel titled:  "Can a Negro  (or whatever the terminology is; there are so many) be Allowed to Breathe, Please?"

Originally Posted by Norland:

If the cops are not wearing their uniforms, how the hell are folks supposed to know they're cops?  Are they cops when not uniformed, or men wandering; frisking; wanting to make a kill? These cops are no different from the Crips and Bloods, really.





This is the problem with many of these police murders of Black people.  And, you're right, [where Black people are concerned] the police are no different than the Crips and the Bloods.  Actually,  the Crips and the Bloods probably could be trusted more by Black people, considering that, usually they are shooting or shooting at someone that they actually have a beef with.  


America is twisted.  America is a Bizarro Democracy and a Bizarro 'Free Nation'.  It's like mental patients are running the country and are in positions of authority and are on the police force.  

If you watch a few hours of Tru TV; the dumb things people do, you'll see that Caucasians are more than a "twisted" bunch.  They've been murdering us since the ancestors stepped off the boats, in all kinds of ways.  When they do it, they walk; when we do it, it's life in prison or cremation alive.  These fluckers left Europe twisted; they write the rules we're all expected to follow except them.  They owe us 400 years back pay, so we can get the hell out of here.  Mars would be better than where we are now.  Seeing how they're not going to go to the damn Moon.  I sure was wishing and hoping for that move.  I'm tired of Skeletor now.  Real tired.

Funeral held for Brooklyn teen shot by police






Mourners gathered at a Brooklyn church Saturday for the funeral of Kimani Gray, a 16-year-old boy who was shot and killed by police.


The teen's funeral was being held at St. Catherine of Genoa Roman Catholic Church, not far from where the teen was killed.


Gray was shot by two officers in the neighborhood of East Flatbush on March 9 after police said he pulled a gun on them. But the teen's family has been demanding an independent investigation into the shooting, arguing that no witnesses saw Gray pull out a gun.

The shooting set off a series of protests in East Flatbush last week.


The New York Daily News reports the two officers involved in the shooting have been sued in the past for alleged civil rights violations. They are on desk duty while the NYPD and the Brooklyn District Attorney's Office investigates.


The teen was with a group of people the night of March 9, but left when he saw police in an unmarked car, police said. Authorities said he was acting suspicious when plainclothes officers approached him.

According to police, Gray pointed a .38-caliber revolver at them, and they opened fire. He was pronounced dead at a hospital.


A gun was recovered at the scene, according to police.


The medical examiner's office ruled that Gray was hit seven times, and had wounds in both the front and back of his body, including his shoulder, rib cage, forearm and legs.

Gray was black. The officers involved in the shooting were black and Hispanic.


A police officer may use deadly force when the officer has a reasonable fear of serious injury or death. Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said the shooting appeared to be within those guidelines.


But supporters of Gray maintain he wasn't armed. His mother has said she also believes he was not, and said he left the house Saturday afternoon like it was any other weekend, heading out to hang with friends.


Hundreds turned out at a wake Friday for Gray. A woman attending the wake at Caribe Funeral Home described the service as "very emotional."


"I can't sit in there for too long without crying," said Fatimah Shakur of Bedford-Stuyvesant. "Someone has to bury their child."



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