Is it okay for Christians to teach their children to believe in Santa?
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Is it okay for Christians to teach their children to believe in Santa?


I think the whole Santa Claus idea originated from those who wished to play a joke on the Christian public. I think someone probably wagered that they could convince the sheep like public to worship the devil on a day set aside for the recognition of Jesus.

Santa...Satan..only requires the movement of the "n" to the back of the word. Claus..."Claws"...

Santa enters from the North Pole...In the language of the mysteries the North pole would represent the top of a person..Their head..Santa is pulled along by flying beasts, and while you are sleeping or in a state of being spiritually asleep, he enters your head, travels down into your heart and deposits gifts, such things as toys and other recreational items..

Santa watches you thereafter to make sure that you do as he requires...

A little, obese, elf living in the barren cold lands with elves...dressing in a red suit...

In Certain mythologies this is exactly how Satan is depicted, living in the barren west, red bodied, red haired with a white face..

Believe what you wish, however, Satan Claws has nothing to do with the Ministry of Jesus the Nazarene.

Oh I know there willl be those who say that the myth of Santa Claus comes form European Paganism, however, there is more to it than the tranformation or alteration of some simple old world myth...



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Originally posted by ma'am:
Is it okay for Christians to teach their children to believe in Santa?



Theres absolutely nothing wrong with it. Orginally it was meant to teach that giving is good,however it has turned into the exact oposite. But nonetheless...
The 25th of December is actually a pre-x-tian 'birthday' for several 'pagan 'gods' that had large celabrations in Rome(and other civilizations) during what we refer to as the X-mas season. Saturnalia, Mithra, and Sol Invictus(I would suggest googling each). These 'gods' were symbolic of the 'rebirth of the sun' that takes place every year during the Winter Solstice(around the 25th each year, this year it was the 22nd). The Roman Catholic church could not get the masses to stop these celebrations, so they imposed the new 'son/sun god'(Jesus) of the new official religion of the Roman Empire(X-tianity, made official because of Constantine's vision that under this sign(the PX or cross) he will conquor, which he sure did) onto the old 'sun gods' celebrations. The day was never meant to be the celebration of Jesus'(Yeshuas') b-day, of which, most Biblical scholars agree would have probably taken place sometime in April.

So it shouldn't matter if you celebrate the Santa Claus(Western and Northern European versions of the solstice's mythological characters). It's all pagan. Pagan, having no negative connotation, but meaning the beleifs of the rural people(those close with nature, who observed, recorded, and venerated it's cycles. X-tianity is a continuation of this. 'Jesus' is myth correlated to the sun(check Easter also).

I would suggest studying the astrotheological implications of the symbols in the 'Nativity scene'(and other myths). The 3 wise men symbolize the 3 stars in Orion's belt(Sirius in the east traveling/pointing towards the horizon/son/sun). The word jes-us has a numerical value of 888 which is translated into sun in Greek. The SUN/son is (re)born when in the constallation of the Virgin(Virgo)... Mary anyone? All of the manger's animals represent constallations and heavenly bodies also. X-tiantian mythos is no more or less symbolic than it's pagan predicessors. NO religion should be taken literally.

The myths SYMBOLIZE natural occurances in the cellestial and terrestrial plains. There is nothing evil about any of the religious myths of any culture. Although, the cultural imprint left on Abrahamic myths tend to be one of a patriarchial leaning(which creates imbalance, something that has many real life negative impacts, but I won't address that subject in this post). Hence, each culture's myth, developed from it's people, is probably best suited for the people and environment that it sprang forth from. The evil comes in when the dominant culture(s) tells everyone else that the myths and symbols from the cultures/peoples they dominate are evil, and that the dominant culture(s) versions of myth are the only real 'truth'. This is cultural/religious imperialism and oppression, a form of a spiritual racist/superiority complex derived from conquest and used as an excuse for said conquest(a symptom of the imbalance mentioned earlier). Usually such things are said by members of the dominant culture, or those who have fallen under it's 'spell' because they have been taught the literalization of the dominant cultures myths, with total ignorance to what these myths actually represent.
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Originally posted by Vox:
yeah

That's what I call "breaking it down"...


Thanks Vox. Nature is the first 'church'. Hopefully more of us will start attending it.
Interesting thing about that comment is that the pre-Christian Christmas and Easter (and Halloween) originated as the European pagan versions of seasonal (AKA "Nature -- the first church") festivals that ancients around the world celebrated (or, at least, around the parts of the worked that had seasons, I guess).
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Originally posted by Vox:
Interesting thing about that comment is that the pre-Christian Christmas and Easter (and Halloween) originated as the European pagan versions of seasonal (AKA "Nature -- the first church") festivals that ancients around the world celebrated (or, at least, around the parts of the worked that had seasons, I guess).


Yes, and All Hollows Eve(Halloween) is the European Egungun(ancestor) veneration day in disguise, much like the Mexican 'Dia del la Muerta'(Day of the dead). Funny us Africans don't have an institiutionalized version of an ancestor veneration day, well, we do in Africa, but us Africans in Amerikkka don't. HHHmmmm....

Every time I give directions to someone I'm calling on the name of a European's ancestor. Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, ect... But we are frightened of our own.
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
The 25th of December is actually a pre-x-tian 'birthday' for several 'pagan 'gods' that had large celabrations in Rome(and other civilizations) during what we refer to as the X-mas season. Saturnalia, Mithra, and Sol Invictus(I would suggest googling each). These 'gods' were symbolic of the 'rebirth of the sun' that takes place every year during the Winter Solstice(around the 25th each year, this year it was the 22nd). The Roman Catholic church could not get the masses to stop these celebrations, so they imposed the new 'son/sun god'(Jesus) of the new official religion of the Roman Empire(X-tianity, made official because of Constantine's vision that under this sign(the PX or cross) he will conquor, which he sure did) onto the old 'sun gods' celebrations. The day was never meant to be the celebration of Jesus'(Yeshuas') b-day, of which, most Biblical scholars agree would have probably taken place sometime in April.

So it shouldn't matter if you celebrate the Santa Claus(Western and Northern European versions of the solstice's mythological characters). It's all pagan. Pagan, having no negative connotation, but meaning the beleifs of the rural people(those close with nature, who observed, recorded, and venerated it's cycles. X-tianity is a continuation of this. 'Jesus' is myth correlated to the sun(check Easter also).

I would suggest studying the astrotheological implications of the symbols in the 'Nativity scene'(and other myths). The 3 wise men symbolize the 3 stars in Orion's belt(Sirius in the east traveling/pointing towards the horizon/son/sun). The word jes-us has a numerical value of 888 which is translated into sun in Greek. The SUN/son is (re)born when in the constallation of the Virgin(Virgo)... Mary anyone? All of the manger's animals represent constallations and heavenly bodies also. X-tiantian mythos is no more or less symbolic than it's pagan predicessors. NO religion should be taken literally.

The myths SYMBOLIZE natural occurances in the cellestial and terrestrial plains. There is nothing evil about any of the religious myths of any culture. Although, the cultural imprint left on Abrahamic myths tend to be one of a patriarchial leaning(which creates imbalance, something that has many real life negative impacts, but I won't address that subject in this post). Hence, each culture's myth, developed from it's people, is probably best suited for the people and environment that it sprang forth from. The evil comes in when the dominant culture(s) tells everyone else that the myths and symbols from the cultures/peoples they dominate are evil, and that the dominant culture(s) versions of myth are the only real 'truth'. This is cultural/religious imperialism and oppression, a form of a spiritual racist/superiority complex derived from conquest and used as an excuse for said conquest(a symptom of the imbalance mentioned earlier). Usually such things are said by members of the dominant culture, or those who have fallen under it's 'spell' because they have been taught the literalization of the dominant cultures myths, with total ignorance to what these myths actually represent.


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yeah what oshen said is right on!
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mad? noone should be getting mad at you!

alot of christians don't even realize how much of what they do is pagan, versus christian. where in the bible does it say thou shalt put up a christmas tree, or wreath on the door? it doesn't.

i'm a christian. i believe in what christianity teaches, and in what Jesus taught. but i'm not fooled by all the other stuff. i can separate one from the other. the culture from the faith.
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Originally posted by little minx:
mad? noone should be getting mad at you!

alot of christians don't even realize how much of what they do is pagan, versus christian. where in the bible does it say thou shalt put up a christmas tree, or wreath on the door? it doesn't.

i'm a christian. i believe in what christianity teaches, and in what Jesus taught. but i'm not fooled by all the other stuff. i can separate one from the other. the culture from the faith.


Just curious...

How do you seperate a faith from a culture, when faiths are spring forth from and develop under culture(s)?
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Originally posted by ma'am:
Is it okay for Christians to teach their children to believe in Santa?

No. It is totally pagan. We are told to remember Jesus' death (Do this in remembrance of me), not his birth or the resurrection (Easter/rabbit/eggs ... a no no).

2-Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3-For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4-They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. - Jeremiah 10:2-4

Plain as day...

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