This is the reason that I am against laws against sagging.  All laws against it are going to do is cause predominately Black males to rack up criminal records.  Now, back in the day when White men wore pants showing their but cracks and White women wore daisy dukes with their butt cheeks hanging out, there was no such outrage. When Madonna made it fashionable to wear underwear as clothing, there was not outcry for laws against it.  Even when it was a fashion trend for females to wear low riders with their g-string panties showing and their butt cracks, there was not out cry for laws against it, of course since it was being done by White women and girls, not just by Black females. Hell, there were not even any outcry for laws agaisnt Black men wearing spandex short and pants back in the day; now that should have been against the law.

If sagging was something that White teens and youth started, there would be no one out there trying to make actuall laws againt it.  Even though I am personally against sagging, I am apposed to laws being written against it because all that boils down to is targeting Black males to impose criminal records on them.  Also, I think laws like this are flirting with violating Americans constitutional rights. 

Sunnubian, I'm going to say I have to agree. This is just another way to racially profile and harass black people, especially the youth. No one is speaking up against this and we should be. Another example is a young man was arrested for wearing a cap backwards at a club in Charlotte, NC last week. Although he was a paid customer and he was allowed to come into the club dressed that way. He was also arrested for trespassing. When I mentioned this to a group of AA, they presumed that he was 'looking for a fight' and they automatically presumed he was a thug. To the contrary, he is a college graduate business person who wrote a very compelling letter to the newspaper after his arrest. I hope that the establishment he was in gets sued. Also I was disappointed that it was presumed by black people that this guy was a thug. Very disappointed.

Also I was disappointed that it was presumed by black people that this guy was a thug.

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One of the many things that Black people refuse to accept and continue to live on Da'Nile about, is the fact that the racist propaganda put out there to influence White people and other races of people about Black people, is having the same effect on Black people. Once White people were thoroughly saturated with the brainwashing that if a Black person dresses like this or like that, it means that Black person is a thug, or a criminal or is violent and dangerous, THEN Black people began to believe it too.  Not only did Black people also get brainwashed to believe something negative about other Black people, once they have been brainwashed, they voluntarily set out to confirm the brainwashing of Whites and other races of people about Black people.  

Black people better start to eliminate any and all racist ulterior motives before jumping on racist and ignorant band wagons circling the Black race.

"Dress appropriately for the comfort and safety of all passengers ..."  Please! 

I've flown way too many times to buy that line of lawyer thought up, damage control.  Sagging is only evident while standing ... every airline prides itself in how quickly they board passengers; so the sagging was only evident for maybe 10-15 minutes, at most.  Secondly, the article says that he was confronted AS HE BOARDED; therefore, the sagging would have been evident for what 1-2 minutes?

Third point: the article indicates that he was arrested after he refused to leave the plane ... clearly this may have started with the boarding agents absolute disgust at being exposed to this young man's drawers; but the arrest was clearly another example of (white) folks saying "I'm gonna make you ..."

But that said ... I'm conflicted over this: Yes, it may have been a white person trying to tell a Black man what to do; but on the other hand, Bruh ... You're 20 years old, You're a man.  Time to grow up.  Men don't walk around showing their drawers!  More importantly, men consider the consequences of their actions ... and Black men know (or should know) that we face many slights, but only have a few hills that we should be willing to die on ... This clearly wasn't one of them. 

  I agree Brotha Kweil.  Time to grow up!  And pull those pants up too.  Bottom line.

Yep, I'm gonna have to hop on that "conflicted" boat, as well!!!

I do understand and completely disagree with what seems to be the purely racist undertones behind the arrest of this young Black male.

However ... I also have zero tolerance for young Black men showing their drawers to the world.  There's just no need or excuse for that.

He should have pulled his damn pants up ... and he wouldn't be here making national news right now.  Or in jail.  Or having a criminal record.  Or possibly kicked out of school. 

Seems to me he made his own bed .....

Marman's mother, Donna Doyle, told the San Francisco Chronicle that her son was distressed after attending the funeral for his friend and former teammate.---article

Spoken like a mother.

That person is a full grown man...mother.

All he will do from that day forward is learn.

This is one of those 'learning moments'.

The ticket is only to ride.

You cannot make the rules that are a part of that 'ticket contract'.

NEVER FORGET!!

Jim Chester

As if this story could possibly get any worse .....

I saw this young man interviewed last night.  Apparently, he was attired in a windbreaker and pajama bottom pants!!    P-A-J-A-M-A pants. 

The prosecution rests, Your Honor ....... 

A while back, a few years ago, I broke down the reasons why our young people wear their pants sagging down. The reason I gave was that grown folks didn't have enough sense to instill ritual and tradition in our children.Sooo you can blame this kid and say he should be grown up, BUT fact of the matter is while we as grown people point the finger at this boy FIVE are pointing back at us for not doing what we as grown folks should be doing.

Just reminding y'all. . . ;-)

Knowing young people, the more people protest what they wear, the more they are going to wear it.  It has more to do with the rebellion phase that ALL young people go through in some form or another.  EVERY generation has had a form of dress that older people found appalling.  I can still remember what was said about women who dared to wear mini skirts and dresses.  I remember what was said about women who stopped wearing bras.  I remember when I was a teenager your jeans HAD to be dragging the ground and the more worn out around the bottom the better.  

I think if people stop making a big deal out of it and just ignore them, this generation of young people will move on to another fashion trend.  When it no longer irks the hell out of their parents and the older generation, then it will no longer be rebellious.  

I don't think many of us here have ever shirked our responsibility for dropping the ball when it came to 'putting our foot down' - or better yet, the lack thereof - when it comes to the madness (and I mean that literally) that is our current younger generations ... the last 2 at least!! 

And it's even harder for some of us to forget ... due to the fact that many grandparents today have the responsibility of raising not only their own (adult), (teen and young adult) grandchildren, and even their children in cases where the parents either can't or aren't even around to raise them themselves.

In defense of my own generation - which is personally where I think the downhill spiral started - it was really hard (actually impossible) at that time to (1) stop your teen-aged daughter from wanting to trap the 'boyfriend of the month' and getting pregnant with his child only to end up as an immature, uneducated, emotionally-underdeveloped, high-school dropout single mother with adult problems tht they were not able to handle in 'adult' ways ... or (2) to stop your teen-aged son from screwing everything that might walk in a skirt and ending up as an immature, uneducated, emotionally-underdeveloped, high-school dropout single father with the emotional and intellectual inability to be a man in a still 'teen' body and accept the responsibility of the "life" he created.

That particular situation made it VERY HARD for the "grown folks" to "instill ritual and tradition" (along with manners, common courtesy, home-training, an education, maturity .. and everything else that comes with a 'normal" growth process of rearing your child into adulthood, when the "younguns" were not only professing to be old enough to handle adult responsibilities ... (like being a PARENT to an even younger human being), but actually acting the part by actually (and often failing at) BEING a parent (and a responsible adult) in handling the responsibilities that come with that.

That, IMO, was the beginning of the end!!  But ... be that as it may ... I think every generation since mine has let the generation below it down.  And, to be honest, I think you're about the ONLY person in your generation that I've EVER heard be willing to cop to any type of shortcomings where the youth (or themselves) are concerned!!  A lot of people your age absolutely REFUSE to even acknowledge a problem ("there's nothing wrong with us!!") ... let alone say that even a part of the failure lies with them ("It's the White man, the government, the CIA, the older people, slavery, Willie Lynch, 'nobody understands us'", yada, yada, yada) ... or a whole host of other excuses as to why THEY should not be blamed for anything!!

But I say give (or take) the credit where the credit is due!!  And I believe there's plenty of it to pass around.   I do have to admit, it's kinda funny though ... that whenever Bill Cosby says 'what's wrong with our children is our OWN fault" ... everybody wants to crucify him!!  Yet you can say what is essentially the same thing, "we need to acknowledge that we are to blame for what's wrong with our kids today"  ... but somehow, it's different?? 

But ... since you're a "solutions" girl ... let's talk solutions!!! 

Now, this boy's first like of defense should be/should have been his momma, daddy, grandma or pa, an uncle, aunt ... some type of relative that should have 'taught' him better.  And, the fact of the matter is, it's QUITE possible that there was/is somebody who did just that!! He got to college for goodness sakes!!  So somebody had to have done something right for him!!  Right??   But still ... he's did 'his own thing'. As most young people these days do.  So it really doesn't matter how much home-training he may have gotten. 

But ... for others who have been 'out there' on their own with no adult/parental guidance since they were born and are falling deeper into the abyss?  If their family isn't capable of helping to save them ... then who do you suppose should??