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Can you believe that some people actually think that? They think that now all of the attacks are gonna stop now once word gets out of this.

Some also believe that the Taliban can no longer function now that Saddam has been captured. I had to school my girlfriend and tell her that Saddam does not have much to do with the Taliban..
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Not only can they not come home, but what's really going to be unbelieveable are going to be the looks of shock that the attacks that are killing our soldiers daily are not going to stop!! Roll Eyes

I believe those that think that the general American public are gullible and stupid haven't seen anything yet. They are about to take ignorance to a whole new level! Roll Eyes

I'll save my celebration for the capture of Osama bin Ladin.

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ER posted,

I believe those that think that the general American public are gullible and stupid haven't seen anything yet. They are about to take ignorance to a whole new level!


**I am made to be more amazed by amerikkka each day. But hey, when you have negroes lauding W when black unemployment is in double digits. This is being done while he and his administration are against anything that is a part of the black political agenda, so nothing surprises me too much anymore. My question to the patriotically drunk flag-wavers is; What does any of this have to do with Al Qieda or Osama? Duhh...... bs
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The best is yet to come as his capture will do little in terms of terroism. They are very patience so after we finish puffing up.......
A military man? You don't say??? How can you??? Commander-In-Chief???

You don't LOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooovee your country! winkgrin
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I'll save my celebration for the capture of Osama bin Ladin.

I'm not one for those "Kill The so-called Head" you "Kill the body"...

I guess that's worked to some degree on us but I'm not sure about them - terrorist.
[1] They're objective is reckless. So direction per se is not paramount.
[2] They're at the Point Of No-Return.
Once violent means are chosen the Cost-Benefit analysis of what actions are "wise" to take are out the picture. Those violent means become and ends unto themselves.

They have a point to make and it not to just get attention and "appeal" to someone's sense of morality. Just like Bush, etc. they intend to punish however small, however many times... for the sake of it. Just like Bush, etc. they're pissed off! The only difference is what Catch said:

THEY'RE PATIENT!
So they'll take their time nawing at your a$$.
They've drawn a line in the sand... with blood that is.

See what the White ego doesn't understand is another ego that's just like theirs. Unless they drop a big one and take out the whole region, I wouldn't be surprised if this goes on indefinitely. It may never intensify more than what it has - e.g. War On Drugs - but it won't go away easily.
The Iraqi's are not so stupid, but they are as gullable as Americans. The capture and the celebrations thereof will continue for a long, long time (at least till the next election).

Saddam was a punk, just like Bush is a punk, they are only big when they are issuing orders. But when death comes to their personal door, they realize who really is in control -- God.

As long as there is enough money to carry on the "war" the attacks will continue, now America has no Saddam to clam is controling the efforts.

Hopefully, Bush thinks it's safe enough over there to take another trip.

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US Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie
Carleton Cole

Eight days before his Aug. 2, 1990, invasion of Kuwait, Saddam Hussein met with April Glaspie, then America's ambassador to Iraq. It was the last high-level contact between the two countries before Iraq went to war.


GLASPIE: In March 1991, she told a Senate committee that 'we foolishly did not realize [Saddam] was stupid.'
MARCY NIGHSWANDER/AP/FILE
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From a translation of Iraq's transcript of the meeting, released that September, press and pundits concluded that Ms. Glaspie had (in effect) given Saddam a green light to invade.

"We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts," the transcript reports Glaspie saying, "such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary [of State James] Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction ... that Kuwait is not associated with America."

The Persian Gulf War began Jan. 17, 1991. But before the official end of the war (April 11), Glaspie was called to testify informally before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

She said she was the victim of "deliberate deception on a major scale," and denounced the Iraqi transcript as "a fabrication" that distorted her position, though it contained "a great deal" that was accurate.

The veteran diplomat awaited her next assignment, later taking a low-profile job at the United Nations.
WAG THE DOG, Ya'll!!

I would like to believe the capturing of Suddam will make a differnce. But yet again, I beleive we are being distracted away from the real issues. White America was starting to think about "why are we there?" Because its coming to light the various reasons given to invade Iraq is not true. Weapons of mass destruction was not found. The connection to Bin Laden doesn't exist. Hmm, could the reasons be the oil or Bush revenge for his father.

I am very suspect when it come to the motives of our politicians. And I'm afraid of "money hungry" American citizens. I believe the one way terrorism will happen on a mass scale in America is through greed for money. Someone will take payment to do something they shouldn't do for the wrong people.
We are becoming a country with no morals. Anything goes!
I whole heartily agree with Nmaginate's
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THEY'RE PATIENT!
So they'll take their time nawing at your a$$.
They've drawn a line in the sand... with blood that is.

See what the White ego doesn't understand is another ego that's just like theirs. Unless they drop a big one and take out the whole region, I wouldn't be surprised if this goes on indefinitely.


Brotha, I hope you are wrong but deep within me I know you are right.

My brother should be retiring now from the Army, after 20 years of service, but as long as we are at war this won't happen. During the Gulf war, My brother parachuted into Iraq and captured enemy soliders. In February, he will be leaving the states again for Iraq. Instead of looking forward to his retirement, my family will begin prayer vigils that again he will return safely home. So you see, I want this war to end, too. I want to believe finding Suddam will make a difference in the daily killing of American soldiers.
"My brother should be retiring now from the Army, after 20 years of service, but as long as we are at war this won't happen."

Every so often, we get some much needed intermediate breaks, but as long as the earth has to support the lives of men and testosterone, there will be wars. If there's nothing else that we can count on, you can count on that sister. So I suppose your brother plans to invest his entire life "in service" due to men's unfailing inability to keep their egos and ambitions in check.
What's interesting is, aside from the superficial sympathy that is shown on the part of United States political leaders, this is all an incredibly stimulating game to them. They like the idea of having an "enemy." They love the spirit of "war," "weaponry," "fighting," but most of all, portraying an image of heroic determination and altruistic leadership and giving others the impression that what they are doing is to the benefit of everyone. That what they offer us is merely an "universal gift" and/or "universal favor" to those much "too weak" to fend for themselves and that we should be ever so thankful for their brave spirits. Whatever. Men live and die for this shit. Deep inside, they love it, they want it. Its a gratifying pacification. "Fighting the good fight," as they say. Its almost as if, men feel useless and obsolete, unless they have something, some perceived victimized object, in which to protect. And so we will have wars and continue to have wars as long as there is an insatiable craving for conflict. This is why I've never been able to truly, truly, relate to men on any profound level.

[This message was edited by Rowe on December 15, 2003 at 04:04 PM.]
I am not surprised by this article....at all.

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Humiliating photos could backfire in Islamic world
By Stanley Weintraub
As an army lieutenant during the Korean War, I was the admissions officer of the United Nations' prisoner of war hospital in Korea. Although American soldiers considered the Korean prisoners representatives of a brutal, communist enemy and were all outraged over the mistreatment and exploitation of our fellow troops as prisoners of war, each captured Korean soldier was treated with humanity.
The same cannot be said of the U.S. handling of the capture of deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein this past weekend. The video images of a haggard, unshaven Saddam were played over and over on televisions around the world. The United States will pay a price in the Islamic world for our public debasement of Saddam.

Television was not omnipresent in Korea, but there were still some frontiers in decorum practiced by the media as well as the military. We would fumigate and cleanse a POW to inhibit the spread of parasites or disease. But we did not glaringly debase our enemies, as was done Sunday with Saddam. Poking through his matted hair for lice and probing his mouth by flashlight were probably necessary, but showing those acts to the world via a news conference was as much triumphalism as it was pragmatism.

The Bush administration and military officials have been quick to point out in their defense that Saddam's capture now will allay, once and for all, the concern of Iraqis that their former leader would return to power and re-establish his torturous Baathist regime, and that the pictures are proof that this really is Saddam.

Still, such a disrespectful display in a society that highly values personal dignity may generate sympathy for Saddam and disgust with us, as happened after the grotesque display of the bodies of his sons, Qusay and Uday. (And, in fact, the violence against our troops increased after their deaths.) When contrasted with the end of his sons, who fought overwhelming coalition forces to the death, how could Saddam, ignominiously captured without a struggle, appear any more weakened than he already was?

"No Arab and no Muslim will ever forget these images" shown at Sunday's news conference, Moroccan journalist Khalid Jamai told Reuters. "They touched something very, very deep. It was disgraceful to publish those pictures. It goes against human dignity, to present him like a gorilla that has come out of the forest, with someone checking his head for lice."

At the close of World War II, Nazi war criminals such as Hermann Goering were on the run. After Goering eventually was seized, his military captors duly checked his body for concealed drugs and poison capsules so that he would not cheat interrogation or a tribunal by committing suicide. But the examination was not done with waiting cameras for a worldwide audience. (Goering would kill himself anyway with an undiscovered cyanide capsule.)

Pre-Christmas spirit notwithstanding, what has happened to our sense of civilized values? Sunday's photos, and those of Saddam's sons, are not the only examples. For instance, we also have seen accused Iraqi war criminals trivialized by the Defense Department as figures on mock playing cards, as if bringing them to justice were a parlor game.

We are trying to win the hearts and minds of the people in a sensitive and explosive Islamic culture and establish a sense there of Western humanitarian values that we think are worth emulation. In this case, the administration has manipulated the media to our disadvantage. We may pay heavily in the Islamic world for this latest example of poor judgment.

Stanley Weintraub is author of MacArthur's War: Korea and the Undoing of an American Hero and Silent Night: The Story of the World War I Christmas Truce. His newest book is General Washington's Christmas Farewell: A Mount Vernon Homecoming, 1783.
You know in sports, 'coaches' get fired from teams in a variety of ways. Some get the axe, effective immediately. Some know that they are on a short leash, understanding exactly what will ultimately get them the boot. Then still others are fired "after not living up to expectations" and are more or less asked to stay on til "the end of the season" in order to perform the final act under their administration.

Given that the U.S. is the World's sole "SUPERPOWER" - aka the NFL/NBA/etc. or perhaps the "TEAM" [or the world's] owner - doesn't SO-DAMN INSANE's departure from the World's Team of Nations resemble the firing of a "coach" that was once high "on the payroll" and had since been demoted until he had to finally get his walking papers?

Final Decision made: MARCH 2003
Effective: December 2003
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What is fact and what is fiction in our tale of Saddam Hussein? Already there are discrepancies in Saddam's capture story. In this article, it says this Saddam had a FAKE beard that "SOLDIERS PULLED OFF A "FALSE" BEARD AND TOOK SAMPLES FROM THE OUSTED DICTATOR FOR DNA IDENTITY" http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/14/1071336803092.html?from=top5

In the following story it says Saddam had a "REAL" "thick graying beard"
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031214/ap_on_
re_mi_ea/iraq_saddam&cid=540&ncid=716

Americans would not know the difference between the fake Saddam and the" real" Saddam. After all over 40% of the American people were led to believe that it was Saddam who did 9/11 and NOT Ossama bin Laden, so that Bush was able to start the Iraqi WAR FOR OIL.

Are we really getting the truth??? That's NOT sure.

AfroMan.
And it will be interesting to see how things develop - that's for sure!

It will be interesting to see if when asked where he got his Weapons of Mass Destruction and Saddam TRUTHFULLY says that he got his Weapons of Mass Destruction from the US and UK. What would Bush say then??? It is quite possible that for this reason, this Saddam, whoever he is, "commits suicide or dies" before any trial...

AfroMan.
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Originally posted by Afroman:
How can we be sure it's Saddam they caught and not one of his many doubles? How can we be sure they're being honest about the DNA tests. Can we trust people who lied about his WMD and so many other issues??

AfroMan.


They will lie about many things, but I wouldn't expect it here. After all, imagine the real Saddam making a video after this announcement, and making the US into the laughing stock of the world.

nah...it's him...

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Originally posted by ricardomath:
They will lie about many things, but I wouldn't expect it here. After all, imagine the real Saddam making a video after this announcement, and making the US into the laughing stock of the world.

nah...it's him...


The capture of Saddam is suspect! The main question is "What was a multi-billionaire still doing after 8 months in iraq hiding out in a tiny hole???" Even a poverty stricken common criminal can give himself a new identity with a different appearance for a few hundred or a few thousand buck, depending how sophisticated you'd like to change your identity and how much money you have. If Saddam with all his Iraqi connections and all his billions of dollars couldn't get safely out of Iraq and into another country with a new identity. Then you're not really thinking... Who's the doctor confirming the DNA match?? Obviously the doctor could lie. The government has done it before!!

The Bush administration definitely planned and timed the capture of Saddam Hussein for political reasons. The phony video of Ossama bin Laden admitting 9/11 was put out in the same circumstances. Expect common citizens and the TRUTH to lose and the Democratic and Repubican parties to continue their power game!


AfroMan.

[This message was edited by Afroman on December 18, 2003 at 11:29 AM.]
AfroMan,

I think we can be skeptical and not have to question whether that is the real SO-DAMN INSANE. The thing I question is, since Saddam was known to be on the U.S. payroll so to speak is this final 'act' his last form of puppet-obligations to the West?

You're right... something is very wrong with this picture. But it doesn't have to be stunt-dumbies when you have a real Action-Hero who can perform his own stunts!

So yeah with all that money he was found with... if in fact they want us to believe that all manner of 'terrorist' are slipping past the borders to join in the resistance and the assertions that he has "loyalist" that are fighting because of him then it's mighty curious how he couldn't at least get out of the country...
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Originally posted by ArabianQueen:
You know what's funny Afroman? You're thinking like an Arab.

I just THINK ArabianQueen! See, I'm NO IDIOT with a logical anomaly going on in my brain who believes EVERYTHING on FOX, CNN, BBC, and the other icons of death!!!

The Bush administration has accused Saddam Hussein of lying regarding his weapons of mass destruction. Constant claims by the Bush administration say that there are documentary evidence, despite the fact that the documents are forgeries and CIA analysts doubt their authenticity. And do they listen to the Iranians trying to revolt, the Guatemalans who are still upset about American terrorist involvement in their country? Do they listen to Chechnyans who are being slaughtered as we speak now? Do they listen to people in Haiti, Rwanda, Tibet? East Timor? Why is only a war against Saddam? WHY THEY ONLY HAVE TO LIBERATE THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ? Iraq worth more than any of us? Don't get me wrong I'm no pro-puppet and dictator but STILL Saddam didn't threaten the US, and I say the U.S are NOT the world's police! I don't think the U.S should try this Saddam, whoever he is either, but the people of Iraq certainly can because this Saddam, whoever he is, he's guilty of killing or ordering the killing of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis people, but still THE US ARE NOT THE WORLD'S POLICE!


AfroMan

[This message was edited by Afroman on December 19, 2003 at 02:24 AM.]
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
AfroMan,

I think we can be skeptical and not have to question whether that is the real SO-DAMN INSANE. The thing I question is, since Saddam was known to be on the U.S. payroll so to speak is this final 'act' his last form of puppet-obligations to the West?

You're right... something is very wrong with this picture. But it doesn't have to be stunt-dumbies when you have a real Action-Hero who can perform his own stunts!

So yeah with all that money he was found with... if in fact they want us to believe that all manner of 'terrorist' are slipping past the borders to join in the resistance and the assertions that he has "loyalist" that are fighting because of him then it's mighty curious how he couldn't at least get out of the country...

Yes Nmaginate this timed and planned capture of Saddam is very odd. Saddam easily had enough money to get a plastic surgeon to give him a new face. He could have easily got a new passport if he was still in Iraq, and simply walk, drive or fly across the border. But supposedly he didn't so he's not that smart!!

If anyone remembers that this summer when the sons of Saddam was caught but killed that Bush's numbers was down so they found the sons together in the same house. They kill them and Bush is back on top. Now just last week Gore endorses Dean and so they pull Saddam out the ass and wowlah Bush is big time again.So next year expect to see this administration pull Bin Laden out the hole too because they already have him that's why he's never mentioned. He's going to be the icing on the cake! It is the same type of distraction technique they use. Distract us from the real issue THE TRUTH. Give us a nice scapegoat and focus on speculation instead of a WAR most people are opposed to, the current state of Iraq and those dead.

AfroMan.
Yeah... The whole "found him in a hole" thing is a too silly to believe...

Yeah I guess he had a kitchenette down there or just conveniently knew they were hot on his tail (after all this time) so he sought refuge in his nice little, dirty little "RAT" hole. He must have been there for weeks, huh?Roll Eyes

[This message was edited by Nmaginate on December 19, 2003 at 10:17 AM.]
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Originally posted by sergeant:
yeah, its all a big conspiracy. You know who that guy in the films that looks like Saddam really is???

Michael Jackson.

Your IGNORANCE is a good demonstration of why your government gets away with all the stuff it does. I'm not amazed anymore, MOST American citizens are dithering idiots. How can you say

AfroMan.giveup
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Originally posted by Afroman:

Your IGNORANCE is a good demonstration of why your government gets away with all the stuff it does. I'm not amazed anymore, MOST American citizens are dithering idiots. How can you say

AfroMan.giveup
The U.S. Gov't knows the lick... with dipSHiTS! like Sgt., etc.

Some years from now a full expose will come out confirm this unbelievable "conspiracy" or something like it and the Flag Wavers won't care.

In their mind, as long as their bread is buttered that's all that matters. That's why they're into this "individualism"... Small minds think in small terms.

And as long as Whites feel they are "better" than a "ni@@er" then that's all they can care about. Take their car... and "their" country (for a ride) and they'll never know it. They're to busy worrying about themselves on a personal level and then the Judeo-Christian, "SUPPORT Your Pres." Guilt-Trip gets them whenever they start to question.

False CORRELATIONS based on FALSE ASSumptions.
"I think BUSH *LOVES* the "American" people... the troops..."

bs bs bs
Love is a Prince song!
Bush in all his talk about "EVIL" must be Satan Worshipping and playing that song backwards apparently...

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