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As of noon today, Rush Limbaugh came back on the mic after a month of rehab. Question: will he be a little empathetic toward those with addictions (as long as they're Republican, conservative and a fan of his) or will it be the BS as usual?
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You guys don't know $#** about $#** about Rush. If you listened to him for six freaking weeks at least you would KNOW BETTER. HE WAS NOT THAT HARD ON ADDICTS.

This is soooooooo freakin hilarious--what's your guys' stance on Marion Berry and his numerous drug convictions (with the HARD $#**!!!) and STILL managed to get elected mayor of D.C. MULTIPLE times???? Soooooo many people gave HIM a pass. OBVIOUSLY. Some of the same people, incidentally, who rag on Rush. ROFLMFAO.

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
Shebakoby, THEY ARE BOTH EQUALLY UNDER THE INFLUENCE! We know Marion Berry is high. When will you Dittoheads or Pillheads admit the same thing about Rush? I'm not from DC. Why don't you ask the residents of Washington DC that question.

And for someone who's so ignorant about racism in America, you should know damn well if a black man was caught with the amount of pills that Rush had, he would be UNDER the jailhouse right now as we speak. Rehab wouldn't be an option. If a brother was caught with anything stronger than Tylenol and Flintsone vitamins, he would be handcuffed.
And if there's ONE thing that I would agree with Rush, it would be that there are a lot of (well-to-do and rich) white folks getting away with serious drugs and crime. Why does a person with a few grams of crack gets numerous years, but a person with several kilos get probation or a slap on a wrist? The rich have lawyers to get them off. Many blacks, Latinos and poor whites do not.

So many folks are happy just to jail the poor and urban rather than the rich who can afford the REAL hard stuff. It's like what I like to call "picking at lint on a muddy rug." The law is making themselves busy by just getting the poor and not the rich, but it gives the illusion to society that they are doing their job, but really not. The cartels and other big fish are not even harrassed, let alone arrested.

They need to change the # of years when a person possesses drugs. Like if it's 10 years for a person possessing a vial of crack cocaine, it should be at least 20 or 25 years for someone with kilos of powder cocaine. Without powder cocaine, you can't make crack.

(Hypothetically speaking) Like if chocolate was illegal, you arrest the CEO's of Hershey or Nestle', not just the guy who sells Toll House Cookies.

(Or) If Vitamin C of orange juice was considered illegal, then the law SHOULD arrest the CEO's of Minute Maid and Tropicana. Don't give those CEO's a slap on the wrist and give a life sentence to the guy who invented Tang.
Update: Not only is Rush Limbaugh a drug addict, but now he is being investigated for money laundering money for his drugs. Apparently, he denied this on his talk show, but according to a law enforcement officer in FL. he is for sure being investigated for this. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. I guess when it gets bad, it's really bad. Big Grin

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965
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Originally posted by shebakoby:
You guys don't know $#** about $#** about Rush. If you listened to him for six freaking weeks at least you would KNOW BETTER. HE WAS NOT THAT HARD ON ADDICTS.

This is soooooooo freakin hilarious--what's your guys' stance on Marion Berry and his numerous drug convictions (with the HARD $#**!!!) and STILL managed to get elected mayor of D.C. MULTIPLE times???? Soooooo many people gave HIM a pass. OBVIOUSLY. Some of the same people, incidentally, who rag on Rush. ROFLMFAO.

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the _John Birch Society_"-Rush Limbaugh

We're sure that RUSH and many of his Lemming like you ("listen to his show for six weeks"... please... "I love him" Frown) didn't give Marion Berry "a pass". And that's the point.

Rush is not exempt from:
WITH THE JUDGEMENT YE JUDGE YE SHALL BE JUDGED!

Oh... but it was not "that" bad.
Whatever SHEBA THE "I LOVE RUSH" APOLOGIST!

You got the wrong website for that stuff. You'll do better finding a Black Conservative site where they share the Bash Black People And The Liberals That Like Them philosophy that Rush does.

______________________________________________________________
There's a world of difference between truth and facts.
Facts can obscure truth.
- Maya Angelou

Nmaginate posted,


You got the wrong website for that stuff. You'll do better finding a Black Conservative site where they share the Bash Black People And The Liberals That Like Them philosophy that Rush does.


I agree.....listening to blacks who come in black forums solely to defend white people in mirror situations where they castigate blacks really repulses me......they remind me of the slave who had to be forced off of the plantation after slavery was over.....they were so in awe of the white man (who presents God in his image) that they were blinded to their own meager situation.......that bullshit is so illogical in nature that it has to be psychological instead......
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
quote:
Originally posted by shebakoby:
You guys don't know $#** about $#** about Rush. If you listened to him for six freaking weeks at least you would KNOW BETTER. HE WAS NOT THAT HARD ON ADDICTS.

This is soooooooo freakin hilarious--what's your guys' stance on Marion Berry and his numerous drug convictions (with the HARD $#**!!!) and STILL managed to get elected mayor of D.C. MULTIPLE times???? Soooooo many people gave HIM a pass. OBVIOUSLY. Some of the same people, incidentally, who rag on Rush. ROFLMFAO.

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the _John Birch Society_"-Rush Limbaugh

We're sure that RUSH and many of his Lemming like you ("listen to his show for six weeks"... please... "I love him" Frown) didn't give Marion Berry "a pass". And that's the point.

Rush is not exempt from:
WITH THE JUDGEMENT YE JUDGE YE SHALL BE JUDGED!

Oh... but it was not "that" bad.
Whatever SHEBA THE "I LOVE RUSH" APOLOGIST!

You got the wrong website for that stuff. You'll do better finding a Black Conservative site where they share the Bash Black People And The Liberals That Like Them philosophy that Rush does.

________________________________________________________________
_ There's a world of difference between truth and facts.
Facts can obscure truth. _- Maya Angelou




You don't even know what he said about addicts--therefore you don't even know what the "judgment" IS. Rush being addicted to PRESCRIPTION drugs IS NOT ILLEGAL.

It's not the same as being addicted to illegal drugs--in that when taking an ILLEGAL drug, you KNOW you are going to be addicted RIGHT AWAY and you are not using it for medical purposes (except maybe the medicinal marijuana crowd). Addiction to PRESCRIPTION drugs can creep up on you slowly. It's more the doctor's fault. Rush wasn't taking that $#** for RECREATIONAL purposes (such as getting high, escapage from reality, Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds, etc.), dumbass!!!! And therein lies the biggest difference.

WTF I am NOT "bashing Black People" I AM BASHING LIBERALS--SKIN COLOR DOESN'T MATTER A LIBERAL IS A LIBERAL.

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
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Originally posted by Huey:
Shebakoby, THEY ARE BOTH EQUALLY UNDER THE INFLUENCE! We know Marion Berry is high. When will you Dittoheads or Pillheads admit the same thing about Rush? I'm not from DC. Why don't you ask the residents of Washington DC that question.

And for someone who's so ignorant about racism in America, you should know damn well if a black man was caught with the amount of pills that Rush had, he would be UNDER the jailhouse right now as we speak. Rehab wouldn't be an option. If a brother was caught with anything stronger than Tylenol and Flintsone vitamins, he would be handcuffed.


I'm NOT "ignorant" of racism in America, I know damn well it exists and some really F**KED UP SH** goes on because of it.

IF a black man was caught with PRESCRIPTION pills, if they were his own, I guess it's likely the profiling would kick in and they'd assume he had the intent to sell. Nobody believes Rush had intent to SELL. So yeah race would probably stack the odds against a black man because of statistics and "profiling."

Rush was NOT high. At least, never on the air.

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
quote:
Originally posted by Huey:
And if there's ONE thing that I would agree with Rush, it would be that there are a lot of (well-to-do and rich) white folks getting away with serious drugs and crime. Why does a person with a few grams of crack gets numerous years, but a person with several kilos get probation or a slap on a wrist? The rich have lawyers to get them off. Many blacks, Latinos and poor whites do not.

So many folks are happy just to jail the poor and urban rather than the rich who can afford the REAL hard stuff. It's like what I like to call "picking at lint on a muddy rug." The law is making themselves busy by just getting the poor and not the rich, but it gives the illusion to society that they are doing their job, but really not. The cartels and other big fish are not even harrassed, let alone arrested.

They need to change the # of years when a person possesses drugs. Like if it's 10 years for a person possessing a vial of crack cocaine, it should be at least 20 or 25 years for someone with kilos of powder cocaine. Without powder cocaine, you can't make crack.

(Hypothetically speaking) Like if chocolate was illegal, you arrest the CEO's of Hershey or Nestle', not just the guy who sells Toll House Cookies.

(Or) If Vitamin C of orange juice was considered illegal, then the law SHOULD arrest the CEO's of Minute Maid and Tropicana. Don't give those CEO's a slap on the wrist and give a life sentence to the guy who invented Tang.


The problem has more to do with the high visibility of gangs and who joins them. People listening to stuff about "gangstas" and gangsta rap will naturally get the impression that people in gangs are mostly black people.

However gangs have less to do with "race" than they have to do with broken homes and/or dysfunctional families/extended families and people who just don't give a flying rodent's rectum. We have asian gangs and East Indian (Sikh/Hindu) gangs up here and there's starting to be a gang problem in Esquimalt (but it's mostly white single-parent-raised trash) because we got so many damn BAD parents out here.

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
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Originally posted by shebakoby:
quote:
Originally posted by Nmaginate:

You got the wrong website for that stuff. You'll do better finding a Black Conservative site where they share the Bash Black People And The Liberals That Like Them philosophy that Rush does.


WTF I am NOT "bashing Black People" I AM BASHING LIBERALS--SKIN COLOR DOESN'T MATTER A LIBERAL IS A LIBERAL.

What part of what I higlighted that came after the AND did you not understand?

And your coming here to a Black website insisting that we have it wrong when it comes to racial issues is what? A vote of confidence or solidarity or something?

I mean if skin color has nothing to do with it... then why are you here? Why are you so involved with topics that have something to do with race (on a Black site) if skin color has nothing to do with it?

There are certainly plenty of "Liberal" sites out there. To what do we owe the honor and privilege of your [non-racial] Liberal Bashing Crusade?

But I guess, your ridiculous Rush rationale notwithstanding, I can understand what you mean. A dumb*ss (like you) is a dumb*ss and certainly skin color doesn't matter for that!

Sheba, I'm just not worthy of your IGNORANCE so forgive me if I just don't know how to act right! Big Grin

______________________________________________________________
There's a world of difference between truth and facts.
Facts can obscure truth.
- Maya Angelou

white single-parent-raised trash

See that's the problem with White overall ideology of society. You have this concept of "Throw-Away" people - i.e. trash or White trash - and want to apply that sh*t to everyone else as if we share that bullsh*t idea of writing people off.

Your sorry *sses would be lookin' silly when Black people and other similarly situated "minorities" decide to write-off White people (and their defenders) with that mindset and pull a Palestine on your/their *sses.
Them gangs and the conditions of their communities would have hyper-importance when they start knocking off some Blondies In Drive-By's!

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh******ttttttt!! Bush or somebody would be talkin' about bringing Freedom & Democracy To The Ghetto replete with a $XX Billion dollar Rebuilding Plan when/if that was to happen. Seems to me that the only thing some people respect is... shall I say the opposite of what MLK advocated when it came to dealing with our "caring" White brethren.

[This message was edited by Nmaginate on November 24, 2003 at 01:56 AM.]
SHEBAKOBY
You cannot go down to the drugstore and buy Oxycontin over the counter, it is regulated by the FDA and can only be prescribed by a physican. That makes Oxycontin a controlled substance which makes it illegal to obtain it by anyone other than a doctor or pharmacist without a legitimate prescription. Anytime you obtain these controlled substances from a street dealer, it is illegal. As a matter of fact they are busting people in NYC for this on a regular basis. So what makes Rush Limbaugh any different than the people they take away in these stings conducted by the NYPD? Absolutely nothing. Face the truth, Rush Limbaugh is a junkie. There is no way around it. Stop trying to argue us down because you think that it will make you feel better by fighting what you consider to be the Left, which again, doesn't constitute all African-Americans. I think you need to go somewhere and share your thoughts with someone who cares. winkgrin

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965
quote:
Originally posted by Yssys:
SHEBAKOBY
You cannot go down to the drugstore and buy Oxycontin over the counter, it is regulated by the FDA and can only be prescribed by a physican. That makes Oxycontin a _controlled substance_ which makes it illegal to obtain it by anyone other than a doctor or pharmacist without a legitimate prescription. Anytime you obtain these controlled substances from a street dealer, it is illegal. As a matter of fact they are busting people in NYC for this on a regular basis. So what makes Rush Limbaugh any different than the people they take away in these stings conducted by the NYPD? Absolutely nothing. Face the truth, Rush Limbaugh is a junkie. There is no way around it. Stop trying to argue us down because you think that it will make you feel better by fighting what you consider to be the Left, which again, doesn't constitute all African-Americans. I think you need to go somewhere and share your thoughts with someone who cares. winkgrin


Yssys, I explained that exact same thing to Sgt. awhile ago. Something about their love of Rush blinds them to plainly stated and understood illegality of Rush's activity... And didn't somebody say they saw a report of money laundering associated with that as new info. has come out about the investigation.

Conservatives will now be seen on TV at rallies all over the country like Mumia Abu Jamal activists/supporters rambling on about their agenda only to stop for the obligatory 'FREE RUSH LIMBAUGH!" chant to incite some life in an otherwise comatose crowd.

______________________________________________________________
There's a world of difference between truth and facts.
Facts can obscure truth.
- Maya Angelou

All they want to do is argue over a junkie, then they should go to a forum that will accomodate them. They should leave us alone for a long while.

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965
quote:
Originally posted by Nmaginate:
quote:
Originally posted by shebakoby:
quote:
Originally posted by Nmaginate:

You got the wrong website for that stuff. You'll do better finding a Black Conservative site where they share the _Bash Black People And The Liberals That Like Them_ philosophy that Rush does.


WTF I am NOT "bashing Black People" I AM BASHING LIBERALS--SKIN COLOR DOESN'T MATTER A LIBERAL IS A LIBERAL.

What part of what I higlighted that came after the AND did you not understand?

And your coming here to a Black website insisting that we have it wrong when it comes to racial issues is what? A vote of confidence or solidarity or something?

I mean if skin color has nothing to do with it... then why are you here? Why are you so involved with topics that have something to do with race (on a Black site) if skin color has nothing to do with it?

There are certainly plenty of "Liberal" sites out there. To what do we owe the honor and privilege of your [non-racial] Liberal Bashing Crusade?

But I guess, your ridiculous Rush rationale notwithstanding, I can understand what you mean. A dumb*ss (like you) is a dumb*ss and certainly skin color doesn't matter for that!

Sheba, I'm just not worthy of your IGNORANCE so forgive me if I just don't know how to act right! Big Grin

________________________________________________________________
_ There's a world of difference between truth and facts.
Facts can obscure truth. _- Maya Angelou




LOL why can't I debate a diversity of liberals?

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
quote:
Originally posted by Nmaginate:
_white single-parent-raised trash_

See that's the problem with White overall ideology of society. You have this concept of "Throw-Away" people - i.e. trash or White trash - and want to apply that sh*t to everyone else as if we share that bullsh*t idea of writing people off.

Your sorry *sses would be lookin' silly when Black people and other similarly situated "minorities" decide to write-off White people (and their defenders) with that mindset and pull a Palestine on your/their *sses.
Them gangs and the conditions of their communities would have hyper-importance when they start knocking off some Blondies In Drive-By's!

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh******ttttttt!! Bush or somebody would be talkin' about bringing Freedom & Democracy To The Ghetto replete with a $XX Billion dollar Rebuilding Plan when/if that was to happen. Seems to me that the only thing some people respect is... shall I say the opposite of what MLK advocated when it came to dealing with our "caring" White brethren.

[This message was edited by Nmaginate on November 24, 2003 at 01:56 AM.]



LOL what are you rambling about?

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
quote:
Originally posted by Yssys:
SHEBAKOBY
You cannot go down to the drugstore and buy Oxycontin over the counter, it is regulated by the FDA and can only be prescribed by a physican. That makes Oxycontin a _controlled substance_ which makes it illegal to obtain it by anyone other than a doctor or pharmacist without a legitimate prescription. Anytime you obtain these controlled substances from a street dealer, it is illegal. As a matter of fact they are busting people in NYC for this on a regular basis. So what makes Rush Limbaugh any different than the people they take away in these stings conducted by the NYPD? Absolutely nothing. Face the truth, Rush Limbaugh is a junkie. There is no way around it. Stop trying to argue us down because you think that it will make you feel better by fighting what you consider to be the Left, which again, doesn't constitute all African-Americans. I think you need to go somewhere and share your thoughts with someone who cares. winkgrin

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965


First of all, it's oxycodon, and secondly, innocent UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, Y'ALL!

My point is his junkieness was NOT 'for pleasure use only'!!!!! And you don't know and I don't know for a fact whether Rush did anything illegal...YET. That'll all come out in the wash, til then treat him like Bill Clinton for F***S SAKES.

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
quote:
Originally posted by Nmaginate:
quote:
Originally posted by Yssys:
SHEBAKOBY
You cannot go down to the drugstore and buy Oxycontin over the counter, it is regulated by the FDA and can only be prescribed by a physican. That makes Oxycontin a _controlled substance_ which makes it illegal to obtain it by anyone other than a doctor or pharmacist without a legitimate prescription. Anytime you obtain these controlled substances from a street dealer, it is illegal. As a matter of fact they are busting people in NYC for this on a regular basis. So what makes Rush Limbaugh any different than the people they take away in these stings conducted by the NYPD? Absolutely nothing. Face the truth, Rush Limbaugh is a junkie. There is no way around it. Stop trying to argue us down because you think that it will make you feel better by fighting what you consider to be the Left, which again, doesn't constitute all African-Americans. I think you need to go somewhere and share your thoughts with someone who cares. winkgrin


Yssys, I explained that exact same thing to Sgt. awhile ago. Something about their love of Rush blinds them to plainly stated and understood illegality of Rush's activity... And didn't somebody say they saw a report of money laundering associated with that as new info. has come out about the investigation.

Conservatives will now be seen on TV at rallies all over the country like Mumia Abu Jamal activists/supporters rambling on about their agenda only to stop for the obligatory 'FREE RUSH LIMBAUGH!" chant to incite some life in an otherwise comatose crowd.

________________________________________________________________
_ There's a world of difference between truth and facts.
Facts can obscure truth. _- Maya Angelou




I ain't blind to SH**. If the truth comes out the truth comes out. However until he's CONVICTED of something, the whole thing is moot.

Why is it that you guys assume Limbaugh is guilty, but a few of you are saying how Michael Jackson's charges are a big frame-up? The Libs been wanting to "get Rush" for YEARS--even if they have to "October Surprise" him.

Next time don't use the National Enquirer as your source of information. Razz

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
I don't think many in here give a f-k about Rush in the first place......we know how his fat racst azz feels about blacks...and this thread was started to show the bullshit hypocrisy of him and his hick azz inbred thinking followers......the rest of that bs is just being imposed in here like someone really gives a damn. many many whites in this country suffer from cognitive dissonance....where no matter what in the hell they do, they put a spin on it where it is no big deal (hence the term white lie). Let someone else do the same thing they swear national security is threatened (figuratively speaking) and it is time to build some new jails. They have a collective lynch mob mentality in a modern context. from the constitution on down....this country and its citizens can sure be full of shit sometimes....
quote:
Why is it that you guys assume Limbaugh is guilty, but a few of you are saying how Michael Jackson's charges are a big frame-up? The Libs been wanting to "get Rush" for YEARS--even if they have to "October Surprise" him.

Since you used part of my quote I'll respond.

Rush's case is different. The point about him using Oxycontin illegally is not one that is subjective or up to a matter of opinion. It's frankly THE LAW as Yssys has pointed out. Whether he should got to jail or not is a different issue that's a matter of opinion. Whether there's a conviction or not is moot to a certain extent unless you feel like O.J. Simpson is therefore innocent of all charges and lack of conviction against him proves his ultimate innocense, the difference in the cases notwithstanding.

Nothing about Rush's case, especially since he's admitted drug abuse (the rehab thingy) is so unknown to where opinions are mere speculation about things no one can know for sure. You love for Rush makes you want to defy common-f*ckin'-sense and deny what's written in the law about CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES.

I understand if you're ignorant. But trust me. I know something about this.

No matter what you want to say, it doesn't stand to reason by any stretch of the imagination that Rush obtained the drugs he used by actual prescription from a doctor or any number of doctors - i.e. legally without some underhanded way of feeding his addiction.

You can hairsplit all you want be there's no way around it. Personally, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN whether he goes to jail or is sentenced in any way or not.

That brings me to my closing point and the rest of the bullsh*t you had to say. I generally DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT CELEBRITIES! I have not commented on Michael Jackson and, frankly, in regards to his case DON'T GIVE A Boo-Diddlie DAMN about it. So, unless I have said something about it or you actually name those who have some perceived double-standard about the two then don't go associating or mentioning that bullsh*t in a post quoting me.

Obviously, you don't understand how the facts of the cases differ. I'll quickly explain on sharp difference. I've already noted how in Rush's it stands to reason that he violated the CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE statute... That doesn't require anyone to have actually been there to know whether it happened or not since he's admitted to drug abuse. For the serious SLOW and stupid, you can't abuse addictive drugs "legally" because the legal access to them is CONTROLLED!

Everything about MJ's case requires believeable corroboration of sorts - i.e. YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE BEEN THERE to know the truth or if there was some violation. Points on which one can speculate but not know for sure.

I hope that helps.

Now if Rush has a doctor's slip for every time he abused Oxycotin, let me know! Big Grin
(and if you haven't figured it out, any doctor who would do that is criminally liable; hence, it's not at all likely and hardly legal by any standard.)
quote:
Originally posted by shebakoby:
quote:
Originally posted by Yssys:
SHEBAKOBY
You cannot go down to the drugstore and buy Oxycontin over the counter, it is regulated by the FDA and can only be prescribed by a physican. That makes Oxycontin a _controlled substance_ which makes it illegal to obtain it by anyone other than a doctor or pharmacist without a legitimate prescription. Anytime you obtain these controlled substances from a street dealer, it is illegal...

I think you need to go somewhere and share your thoughts with someone who cares. winkgrin


First of all, it's _oxycodon_, and secondly, innocent UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, Y'ALL!

My point is his junkieness was NOT 'for pleasure use only'!!!!! And you don't know and I don't know for a fact whether Rush did anything illegal...YET. That'll all come out in the wash, til then treat him like Bill Clinton for F***S SAKES.

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the _John Birch Society_"-Rush Limbaugh
Besides the irrelevance of your "Pleasure Use Only" idea (as if that has anything to do with the legality of it) you should have an education and actually know what the hell you're talking about before you trying to correct someone on the spelling of a word.

quote:
New York Daily News:

"Wilma Cline, 42, says Limbaugh was hooked on the potent prescription drugs OxyContin, Lorcet and hydrocodone - and went through detox twice."
How To Spell OXYCONTIN

I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and assume you made a typo and meant to say *Oxycodone*
  • "Oxycodone is an opiate painkiller, derived directly from thebaine, an opium constituent. Like all opiates, oxycodone gives a pleasurable high, with its inherent dangers such as dependence and overdose. In its pill form, sold as OxyContin, the drug is released slowly, giving a sustained high typically over 12 hours..."
It's apparent you have/had no idea and are ignorant about drugs, their names and how their derivatives have names derived from them.

Anyway, no matter how you want to characterize and no matter what Rush's rationale/situation for using OxyContin, whether he used OxyContin for pain or pleasure has no legal bearing. Maybe it does in your sympathies for him but the law is clear. It doesn't matter what he used them for.


______________________________________________________________
There's a world of difference between truth and facts.
Facts can obscure truth.
- Maya Angelou


[This message was edited by Nmaginate on November 25, 2003 at 09:40 PM.]
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin41:
I don't think many in here give a f-k about Rush in the first place......we know how his fat racst azz feels about blacks...and this thread was started to show the bullshit hypocrisy of him and his hick azz inbred thinking followers......the rest of that bs is just being imposed in here like someone really gives a damn. many many whites in this country suffer from cognitive dissonance....where no matter what in the hell they do, they put a spin on it where it is no big deal (hence the term white lie). Let someone else do the same thing they swear national security is threatened (figuratively speaking) and it is time to build some new jails. They have a collective lynch mob mentality in a modern context. from the constitution on down....this country and its citizens can sure be full of shit sometimes....


LOL "white lie" has NOTHING to do with white "race"!

What makes you think Rush is racist?

How hard is it for you to UNDERSTAND THE F***ING DIFFERENCE between being addicted to painkillers, and being addicted to RECREATIONAL drugs???!!!

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
quote:
Originally posted by Nmaginate:
quote:
Why is it that you guys assume Limbaugh is guilty, but a few of you are saying how Michael Jackson's charges are a big frame-up? The Libs been wanting to "get Rush" for YEARS--even if they have to "October Surprise" him.

Since you used part of my quote I'll respond.

Rush's case is different. The point about him using Oxycontin illegally is not one that is subjective or up to a matter of opinion. It's frankly THE LAW as Yssys has pointed out. Whether he should got to jail or not is a different issue that's a matter of opinion. Whether there's a conviction or not is moot to a certain extent unless you feel like O.J. Simpson is therefore innocent of all charges and lack of conviction against him proves his ultimate innocense, the difference in the cases notwithstanding.

Nothing about Rush's case, especially since he's admitted drug abuse (the rehab thingy) is so unknown to where opinions are mere speculation about things no one can know for sure. You love for Rush makes you want to defy common-f*ckin'-sense and deny what's written in the law about CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES.

I understand if you're ignorant. But trust me. I know something about this.

No matter what you want to say, it doesn't stand to reason by any stretch of the imagination that Rush obtained the drugs he used by actual prescription from a doctor or any number of doctors - i.e. legally without some underhanded way of feeding his addiction.

You can hairsplit all you want be there's no way around it. Personally, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN whether he goes to jail or is sentenced in any way or not.

That brings me to my closing point and the rest of the bullsh*t you had to say. I generally DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT CELEBRITIES! I have not commented on Michael Jackson and, frankly, in regards to his case DON'T GIVE A Boo-Diddlie DAMN about it. So, unless I have said something about it or you actually name those who have some perceived double-standard about the two then don't go associating or mentioning that bullsh*t in a post quoting me.

Obviously, you don't understand how the facts of the cases differ. I'll quickly explain on sharp difference. I've already noted how in Rush's it stands to reason that he violated the CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE statute... That doesn't require anyone to have actually been there to know whether it happened or not since he's admitted to drug abuse. For the serious SLOW and stupid, you can't abuse addictive drugs "legally" because the legal access to them is CONTROLLED!

Everything about MJ's case requires believeable corroboration of sorts - i.e. YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE BEEN THERE to know the truth or if there was some violation. Points on which one can speculate but not know for sure.

I hope that helps.

Now if Rush has a doctor's slip for every time he abused Oxycotin, let me know! Big Grin
(and if you haven't figured it out, any doctor who would do that is criminally liable; hence, it's not at all likely and hardly legal by any standard.)


Look fellas there is NO proof (yet) that Rush BOUGHT oxycodone illegally. For all we know he may have reached the upper limit in technically allowable prescription amountage--WE DON'T KNOW.

As for prescription drugs lemme tell ya something I know quite a bit about them and I know (and you guys probably don't) that Prescription Drugs AFFECT DIFFERENT PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY. That is, the same amount of drug, administered to two DIFFERENT people of roughly the same weight, may cause different reactions or be metabolized at different rates or with various degrees of efficiency.

Do you know what ADDICTED means???? It doesn't always necessarily mean they have to take TOO MUCH--it primarily means THEY CAN'T STOP TAKING IT OF THEMSELVES!!!!! Tolerance buildup is different in different people, he may have "maxed out" early in the treatment at a relatively "normal" dosage--meaning he MAY NOT have even HAD to necessarily seek out illicit sources. WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO POINT OUT.

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
_I think you need to go somewhere and share your thoughts with someone who cares._ winkgrin

heh

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Besides the irrelevance of your "Pleasure Use Only" idea (as if that has anything to do with the legality of it)


I was speaking to the argument of Rush being a "hypocrite"--AND THAT ONLY--with the "Pleasure Use Only" statement!!!!!!!! It had nothing to do with the argument of 'legality.'

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
you should have an education and actually know what the hell you're talking about before you trying to correct someone on the spelling of a word.

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New York Daily News:

_"Wilma Cline, 42, says Limbaugh was hooked on the potent prescription drugs _OxyContin_, Lorcet and hydrocodone - and went through detox twice."_
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/122839p-110349c.html

I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and assume you made a typo and meant to say http://www.drugscope.org.uk/druginfo/drugsearch/ds_results.asp?file=%5Cwip%5C11%5C1%5C1%5Coxycodone.htm + __ "Oxycodone _ is an opiate painkiller, derived directly from thebaine, an opium constituent. Like all opiates, oxycodone gives a pleasurable high, with its inherent dangers such as dependence and overdose. In its pill form,_ sold as OxyContin,_ the drug is released slowly, giving a sustained high typically over 12 hours..."_It's apparent you have/had no idea and are ignorant about drugs, their names and how their derivatives have names derived from them.

SO I forgot to type the effing "e" on the end. Oxycontin does NOT SOUND like Oxycodone on the radio! If I'd HEARD Oxycontin I'd have TYPED Oxycontin!

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Anyway, no matter how you want to characterize and no matter what Rush's rationale/situation for using OxyContin, whether he used OxyContin for pain or pleasure has no legal bearing.
That wasn't the point of that anyhow.

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Maybe it does in your sympathies for him but the law is clear. It doesn't matter what he used them for.




But you are assuming that he HAD to have been acquiring these pills ILLEGALLY. That's assuming facts not in evidence. See above...wayyyyyy above.

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
yeah.....recreational my azz...his use was recreational if it wasn't instructed by a doctor...because he damn sure probably did not think he had a problem......and even if it wasn't recreational, it was criminal just the same. Once again...white folks sure know how to TRY and "whitewash" (whatever in the f-k that means) anything they do as not so bad.....but if anyone else does the same thing....then it is a hella crime.......what makes rush a racist? listen to himand his bigoted azz narrow azz views......and whitewash has a lot to do with the white race......it is a microcosm how many racist whites think....hell, read a f-king dictionary and see how many words with the prefix white mean good or okay and how many words with the prefix black mean something bad..matter of fact, watcgh the movie malcom x and look at the scene when the muslim brother was teaching malcom the same thing. So i'm through with it....i'm not the kinda guy who worries about what the f-k people like rush or his ilk say or do.....at all....
Sheba,

All I ask is that you don't cry when Rush is officially found guilty of illegally using Oxycontin. (Oh, and again you shouldn't talk sh*t about spelling especially when you just heard it on the radio. That was the point! i.e. speaking from ignorance as if you have some damn intelligence.)

He may or may not be "convicted" or be sentenced to anything of consequence. Personally, I don't give a damn. But that bullsh*t spin you want to put on this which is only motivated by your love of him is just that, ****BULLSH*T****!!!!!

What is so hard for you to understand that it's illegal for a doctor to feed a person's addiction to addictive drugs?

Rush admitted he was an ADDICT! An ADDICT! And the time frame involved is not a short one. So holding out hope that he bought Oxycontin from a legitimate source is ridiculous.

But whatever he and his buddies have told you, go ahead and believe that spin so it can lessen the blow to your broken heart! Razz
"What is so hard for you to understand that it's illegal for a doctor to feed a person's addiction to addictive drugs?"

THAT is truly one ignorant statement. At LEAST 14 million people daily are taking, and are addicted to, physician prescribed narcotic like medications each and every day, under both long term and short term care. Psychological disorders are routinely treated with addictive medications, as are many serious injuries to the muscular/skeltal system, such as back and neck injuries.

Addiction is NOT illegal, its a natural physiological consequence of almost ALL narcotic and pain reducing medications, and in and of itself is not wrong, nor a crime.

As for this now old and tired topic, the man hasn't even been charged with any wrongdoing. Wishing hateful things on people has never been a sound or fruitful mindset. Gives new meaning to the term 'haters'. Many seem to 'wish' he has done 'something', practically 'anything', wrong in order to feel better somehow about themselves. I mean, just how pitiful is that.

And you know who you are.
sgt,

It was ignorant of you to call that statement ignorant...you mean to tell me that a doctor can keep prescribing even when abuse in obvious beyond the normal dosage needed for one's condition? If a doctor prescribes pills for me to last two weeks and I use them in less than a week is he supposed to refill my order? Or when it is his medical opinion that i do not need a full dosage anymore, should he follow his opinion or my desire to still want the same full dosage?....and as so far as haters....that is the talk of lazy azz people who want to disregard the basis of one's perception and just label them as hateful as a lazy way out of addressing that person's percpetion in a factual manner. No matter what the topic is, white is right huh sgt?
You see, there you go again. Now, show us WHERE some doctor has stated that what Limbaugh was taking was 'beyond' a 'normal' dosage? If his medications were being prescribing by his physician, where do you get the idea the the doctor involved did anything wrong here?

Its these ASSumptions that lead you astray, and that was my point. The man hasn't been charged, the doctor hasn't been charged, and NOONE except the wife of a junky who made fast cash selling some words to a 'tabloid' to pay her husband's bail has had anything to say about any of this.

Trust your own eyes and mind, not whats 'popular' to believe.

To answer your question, yes, I can certainly see that a doctor would sanction a refill if the patient continually complained about pain. In fact, it happens all the time. The doctor isn't supposed to kill a patient, but can certainly prescribe anything he wants, at anytime, if he knows it won't kill or harm his patient. Far as I know, there haven't been any claims that limbaugh's medication harmed him in any way. You hear different? Do tell.
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As for this now old and tired topic, the man hasn't even been charged with any wrongdoing. Wishing hateful things on people has never been a sound or fruitful mindset. Gives new meaning to the term 'haters'. Many seem to 'wish' he has done 'something', practically 'anything', wrong in order to feel better somehow about themselves. I mean, just how pitiful is that.

And you know who you are.
I guess people who dislike the O.J. verdict are "HATERS!!!"

He wasn't "convicted" of any criminal wrong-doing... Eek

I guess you've never had or never personally known anyone close to you that's been prescribed medication with addictive qualities. If so this very simple concept would not perplex you so Sgt. "The IGNORANT"!

Again, doctors are liable for prescribing such medications long term and DO NOT give out addictive drugs like that. When you can show me some proof that it happens is within the normal course of treatment instead of claiming that it is then I'll believe what you say.

Sgt., what sense does it make for Rush to admit an addiction and indicate that it is of his own human frailty and not say explicitly that "doctor's had me on this addictive drug for so long... I didn't even know I was hooked until I was hooked", indicating just what you claim to be the case whether he blames the doctor(s) or not?

Provide some proof of you inane assertion or go back to your hole.
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If his medications were being prescribing by his physician, where do you get the idea the the doctor involved did anything wrong here?

Where do you get that he was being prescribed Oxycontin for the duration of his addiction by "his physician"?

Quote me a statement where he said that or shut up Sgt. It's that simple!

You can't claim a defense for him that he hasn't claimed himself in the same fashion you claim no one else can make claims about facts that are not present in this case.

Yes! The drug is normally a "prescribed" but NO FACTS exist that Rush went down to the local RX and filled that prescription every month or so by "doctor's orders". ***That's your wishing thinking***

OxyContin is a CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE and is controlled to eliminate ADDICTION. DUH!!!

Show me some proof.... or shut up and.... GO BACK TO YOUR HOLE!
I'm not responsible for your problems or lack of knowledge. Again, if the doctor prescribed it, then who are you to say there's a problem with it.

Most of us are aware that plenty of addictive medications are prescribed by physicians each and every day. Ask anyone who has been treated for something as simple as 'stress', 'anxiety', depression or hyperactivity what they are taking, let alone people with major neck and back injuries. Yes, you are truly ignorant.
Why would you think the doctor did not know the medication was addictive? Are you claiming that doctors do not understand the drugs they prescribe?

I get the feeling you both are too young yet, but doctors routinely prescribe addictive medications knowing FULL WELL that people become addicted to them. Again, being addicted is not in itself a crime. Ever heard of methadone for example?

Lordy, high school must have let out.
sorry sgt...i have a doctorate myself...and at a young age....it may not be medical...but my mom has a nursing background and has told me tons about medicines....so save that bullshiit....just look at the bigger picture...the doctor let him be a junkie because it is rush...the bank let him have the 40 or more flaky transactions because he is rush......just admit there is a double standard in this country that some of you dark ones honor and defend. From an article:

Limbaugh opened his syndicated show after a five-week hiatus saying he had "butterflies" in his stomach. He said his treatment ended on Wednesday and that he had been addicted to painkillers since 1995 or 1996.

He admitted being "powerless" over his addiction and said his treatment taught him, "I can no longer try to live my life by trying to make other people happy."

(So it took damn near ten years for him OR a doctor to conclude this?)

A spokesman for Limbaugh said last week that he does not expect the talk show host will be prosecuted because Florida prosecutors typically pursue drug dealers rather than users.

(Yeah, but they will pursue a brother with a $10 piece of crack as a user, not a dealer)


This sad azz country is so full of shit..........
Proper use of pain medications reduces likelihood of addiction

After your car accident the pain in your back was almost unbearable, but you followed your doctor's recommendations about stretching and gradually increasing your activities. Months later, the pain is still there, and over-the-counter medications don't help much. You'd like to try something else, but you're concerned about taking anything stronger for fear that you'll become addicted.

The possibility of addiction is one of the biggest fears of people who have chronic pain. And there's good reason. The National Institute on Drug Abuse estimates that in 1999, 2.6 million people age 12 and older took prescription pain medications for nonmedical reasons. It's unlikely they all were addicted, but developing an addiction is indeed possible.


Opioids: One way to relieve pain

Opioids, a family of drugs that have effects similar to those of opium, are among those prescribed for pain. The ingredient in opium and the active component of opioids that relieves pain is morphine. Morphine and other similar-acting compounds work by mimicking the actions of chemicals your body produces to relieve pain.

Medications containing hydrocodone (Vicodin, others), propoxyphene (Darvon, others), meperidine (Demerol, others) and oxycodone (OxyContin, others) are commonly prescribed opioids. Your doctor may prescribe other opioids, too, depending on your condition...

People who take their pain medications as recommended aren't likely to become addicted. Physical dependency and tolerance often develop in people who take opioids regularly, but they don't always become addicted to opioids. Even people who have a family or personal history of drug or alcohol addiction can sometimes use opioids for pain control if they get ***proper monitoring from a doctor***...

Prevention: Your best defense

When taken as directed by a physician, addiction to opioids used to treat chronic pain is rare.

This should tell you that it's the doctor's fault if long-term prescriptions were made. Hell... I have to renew my prescription for allegy medication with my doctor - i.e. get reassessed after a period to make sure I'm not just chewing them like candy - not to mention the more powerful drugs being strictly guarded and issued with serious precautions and warnings about they're effects...

Unlike the instance in the link below, it is highly unlikely that any doctor Rush Limbaugh went to would just casually prescribe him med's without explicitly making it clear what all the effects are. It's hard to believe that he would not have the complete and total... most professional, textbook, Dot ALL The I's and Cross ALL the T's type of treatment from "his physician"... To suggest otherwise (that the doctor would have allowed Rush to become addicted) is bordering so ridiculous notion that Rush would have paid good money for incompetence or something even more inane.

Chances are Rush's situation resembled this lady here...

httaddicted-to-prescription-painkillers

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