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Condi denied the necessity of the civil rights movement after growing up in Alabama where her dad used to have to guard them against the klan......and also tried to disavow affirmative action but rebutted her statement after being forced to examine herself as a beneficiary...being a smart person in her major does not make her social views progressive...i think the fact that after her upbrining that she aligns herself with the very people responsible for her parents racially tinged existence proves a) she's crazy or b)a negro wil do and say anything for a good job...including working against the interests of her people after benefitting from their past collective efforts.........
There are two sides to every coin. Now here's the other side, and the Clinton Administration or any other Democratic Administration have yet to bring prosperity into the Black Community!

"black unemployment is in double-digits under this administration...at the same time W spoke against maintaining AA in the Michigan case...I guess black people have not been disenfranchised enough yet for racist southern whites and bootlicking house negro blacks......wow" by Kevin41

....More likely those who keep misfits in political office, no matter what political party affiliation, to serve the Black community are indeed bootlicking house negro blacks, and instead of "wow", substitute certain extinction of Black people on mass if this activity is not arrested.


"LETTERS
Do racists have party affiliations?
by Lawrence D. Bush
lawrenceks2@aol.com

Can any self-respecting black honestly say that blacks have benefited exponentially under democratic leadership anywhere anytime, benefited enough to automatically extend their reign with no questions asked?

Democrats in general have successfully forwarded their centrists agenda quietly, while still convincing the average uneducated and or unassuming black individual that republicans are mean and racists. Democrats particularly under the Clinton administration; ended welfare as we know it, locked up droves of black men, ordered stiffer sentencing for lighter crimes and subtly moved the public discourse away from its previous attention to racial discrimination.
If any republican administration had done these things, blacks would have been in an uproar. But because a Democratic administration did them, blacks could only manage a whimper and, before too long, forgiveness.

Black leadership (those in the know) throughout this country benefit from black ignorance and or ambivalence. They take great advantage or the barrage of jokes emanating from stand up comedians, black entertainers about those mean racists republicans.

Many blacks honestly believe that Clinton is the closest thing we''ve ever had to a black president. As long as a white man has a ''''D'''' after his name instead of an ''''R,'''' many blacks can see no evil. Because any democrat has that magical letter after their names, many, like parrots, repeat the ''''prosperity'''' song ad nauseum, that somehow blacks are better off economically than they ever have been.

During the Clinton administration, Democrats claimed that the black unemployment rate is at its lowest level in history, somewhere around 7.9 per cent. What they neglect to tell their cheering black audiences is that if increased black incarcerations during their administration are taken into account, the black unemployment rate moves back up to nearly 10 per cent.

Instead of clapping so loudly, blacks should ask what good are a few more jobs paying $8 to $10 an hour if more and more blacks -- men and, increasingly, women -- are filling jail cells?

How much longer can blacks allow Democrats to earn their votes just by pointing out that the Republican Party doesn''t care about the black electorate? Dissing the Republican Party and Congress may produce great applause but doesn''t do anything to solve black poverty and a failing criminal justice system.

Very simply people if black want to have more influence in the political system in this country blacks in mass should not declare a party affiliate.
Basically folks the confederate flag and the white sheets run parallel to both political parties. Blacks must make their votes available to both political parties or even a third.
The stereotypical dissing of republicans is paid political fodder for democrats. I always wondered whether those entertainers in front of the camera were paid to deliver clever racists republican quips in monologues.

The last time you were addressed as nigger, boy, starred down in a department store, harassed by a policeman, denied a job opportunity were those individuals wearing Republican National Committee buttons or ribbons? Can you really tell a racists by party affiliation?

Take notes from the growing Latino population. Latino leadership does not advocate the across the board one party rant. They focus on individual candidates and issues.
The D and the R has never meant less as it does today.

The growing popularity of televised poker should provide a lesson for the black population. As these candidates campaign on both sides of the political spectrum we should maintain a poker face and force these individuals hand to provide the needed result to help black achieve in this society.

Lawrence D. Bush
Lawrence, Kansas"

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....and work opportunity must be in the mix for Black young people or otherwise to have the incentive to seek that education. Many Black males have given up, or have criminal records, be it earned or unearned that block access to gainful employment opportunity. Without an education, or for that matter specialized training, the odds of success are further reduced to between slim and nil to make an honest gainful living. The odds of making it to the Pros, or becoming high paid entertainers, are even further out of reach! Caucasians, Hispanics, Koreans, etc., are not obligated to be the first promoter of employment opportunity and/or promote political representation to move Black people forward. This is where our own Black leadership, and/or many with the financial means to reach back to uplift the Black community have failed.

THE STATE
Nearly Half of Blacks, Latinos Drop Out, School Study Shows
By Duke Helfand
Times Staff Writer

March 24, 2005

Nearly half of the Latino and African American students who should have graduated from California high schools in 2002 failed to complete their education, according to a Harvard University report released Wednesday.

In the Los Angeles Unified School District, the situation was even worse, with just 39% of Latinos and 47% of African Americans graduating, compared with 67% of whites and 77% of Asians.

The report concluded that the public remains largely unaware of the true extent of the problem because the state uses "misleading and inaccurate" methods to report dropout and graduation rates.

The California Department of Education reported that 87% of students graduated in 2002, but researchers pegged the rate at just 71%. Nationally, about 68% of students graduate on time, according to the analysis.

The troubling graduation rates are most alarming in minority communities, where students are more likely to attend what researchers call "dropout factories."

The exodus of tens of thousands of students before 12th grade is exacting significant social and economic costs through higher unemployment, increased crime and billions of dollars in lost revenue, according to the report by researchers from Harvard, Johns Hopkins, UCLA and UC Santa Barbara, among others.

"A diploma is a passport to economic success. If our high schools can't get students the education they need, that will be ... an economic and social problem moving forward into the next generation," said researcher Christopher Swanson of the nonprofit Urban Institute in Washington, which produced data for the report released by Harvard's Civil Rights Project.

Statewide, just 57% of African Americans and 60% of Latinos graduated in 2002, compared with 78% of whites and 84% of Asians, the report said.

Using enrollment data, researchers produced what they believe are the most definitive graduation rates for California and its largest school systems.

They cast aside the state's method, which even California Education Department officials acknowledge is flawed. The state officials say they are forced by the federal government to use a formula that relies on undependable dropout data from schools.

The Harvard report found that African Americans and Latinos in the state were far less likely to graduate than their white and Asian peers, reflecting an achievement gap that first appears in elementary schools.

UCLA researchers noticed one troubling pattern in Los Angeles Unified: Most students who leave high school do so between ninth and 10th grades.

In several Los Angeles high schools, UCLA researcher Julie Mendoza found that less than one-third of ninth-graders graduated on time.

Principals at two of those high schools "” Jefferson and Manual Arts "” said students leave for a number of reasons but that their schools are taking steps to boost graduation rates.

Jefferson High School Principal Norm Morrow attributed his school's graduation rate "” pegged by UCLA at 31% "” partly to a transient student population and overcrowding that leave little opportunity for personal attention.

"If you don't connect with [students], they are going to drop out," said Morrow, who disputed the UCLA graduation figure and put the rate at about 45% last year.

He said that gangs, drugs and students working to support their families also figured into high dropout numbers. Jefferson serves large numbers of students from immigrant Latino families.

To retain more students at the South Los Angeles campus, Morrow said, he has been working on dividing the school of 3,800 students into smaller learning centers.

Manual Arts High School Principal Edward Robillard called the more personalized approach "one of the most powerful tools for inner-city schools to increase graduation."

Administrators created some smaller programs at Manual Arts three years ago. Next year, Robillard said, the 4,200-student school will be broken up into nine academies with about 450 students each.

Los Angeles Unified Schools Supt. Roy Romer said the district is aggressively tackling the graduation problem by dividing large schools into smaller units and by better preparing elementary school students with new reading and math programs.

"We've got to raise performance beginning in elementary school," Romer said. "The problem is severe. It's something we have to cure."

Inaction, researchers said, could prove costly.

UC Santa Barbara education professor Russell Rumberger estimated that the 66,657 dropouts reported by California in 2002-03 could cost the state $14 billion in lost wages over the students' lifetimes, and add 1,225 inmates to state prisons. The real costs could be far higher, he noted, because of the state's underreporting of dropout data.

"There are huge social costs" associated with high dropout rates, including "lower wages, higher unemployment, poorer health, lower tax revenues, increased crime," Rumberger said. "If we are going to make a dent in these problems, we need to start with kids [when they] are little."

Rumberger and the other researchers will present their findings today during a conference at Cal State Los Angeles.

The Harvard report said that current education policies "” including those that require annual standardized testing of students "” may exacerbate the dropout crisis by creating "unintended incentives for school officials to push out low-achieving students."

The federal No Child Left Behind education law requires annual testing in most grade levels and also calls for schools to report their high school graduation rates annually.

Under the law, schools must raise their test scores and graduation rates or face possible sanctions.

In California, high schools can meet their graduation targets each year by showing any increase over the preceding year.

The Harvard researchers accused the state of failing to demand more from its high schools. State officials said they did not want to place demands on campuses based on data they believe are unreliable.

Any true gauge of graduation rates, they said, would depend on developing a system for tracking individual students as they move from school to school. Such a system has been in the planning stages for years but could begin tracking data next year.

"We know this is a serious issue, and that's why we have focused on high school reform," said state Supt. of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell, who has urged districts to increase graduation requirements.

Sponsors of the Harvard report urged the state to reexamine its approach to producing dropout and graduation data, and called for schools to redouble their efforts to retain students.

"Whether or not students graduate is the most important thing that happens to them in school," said Gary Orfield, director of the Harvard Civil Rights Project. "If students don't make it through high school, they really have no chance in our economy."

Graduation rates

A study found that less than three-quarters of California's high school students graduated with their class in 2002.

Statewide: 71.3%

Asians: 83.5

Whites: 77.8

Latinos: 60.3

Blacks: 56.6

Source: Urban Institute

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...and the dishonesty, the game playing, the incompetence, must cease because this activity will without a doubt contribute to the extinction of Black people, be it within the U.S., or anywhere else where this occurs!

This is the height of disgracefulness for any instructor to misuse his or her position as an educator, where the parents are paying dearly for a private school education, parents who make an extreme sacrifice to provide an opportunity that they did not have, controlled by a church run facility, specifically First AME, and the results are ....."Her son, 11, has attended the pre-kindergarten-through-eighth-grade school since he was 2½ and knew only one word: "ball.""

Furthermore, unless FAME honors the guidelines of what it takes to set up a charter school, the California Courts, specifically Los Angeles County Superior Court will not approve anything less, than the specified requirements for a charter school.

"The private school must be dissolved, and its charter replacement cannot serve the same students, employ the same teachers and staff or remain in the same location. Some schools in the state have taken these steps. In addition, California law prohibits state charter schools from teaching religion in any form."


Church Wants a Charter School, Not a Private One
Parents at First AME are upset, and the plan faces a major obstacle: the state's education code.
By Susana Enriquez
Times Staff Writer

March 21, 2005

Officials from the First AME Church in Los Angeles are planning to close their 12-year-old school in June and hope to open a charter campus next year, prompting objections from parents and teachers.

Officials from the city's oldest black church said the move to restructure the school was long overdue and that they were looking to improve academic achievement.

"We are transitioning the way we do education," said the Rev. John J. Hunter, pastor at First African Methodist Episcopal Church. "Our main objective is to provide the best education that we possibly can."

But Hunter, along with several of the Cecil L. Murray Education Center's board members who support converting the school to a charter campus, could face a rather large obstacle: California's education code.

Under the state's education laws, private schools cannot convert to charter schools, said Carol Barkley, a consultant in the charter school division of the California Department of Education.

The private school must be dissolved, and its charter replacement cannot serve the same students, employ the same teachers and staff or remain in the same location. Some schools in the state have taken these steps. In addition, California law prohibits state charter schools from teaching religion in any form.

Hunter, who succeeded the Rev. Cecil L. "Chip" Murray in November, said he was aware of the charter law and was receiving advice from an Inglewood charter operator on how to close a private school and open a charter campus.

Charter schools are publicly funded but independently run campuses that are intended to raise student achievement with innovative programs. More than 500 charter schools are operating in California, and there have been 300 new applications since June 2003.

Talks about restructuring the church's school have been underway for at least two years, Hunter said.

Last month, concerned parents met with the pastor and his wife, Denise Hunter, to discuss a variety of school issues, issues they said Hunter now uses to support his decision.

Their complaints included understaffing that has led to administrators performing multiple duties and working 10-hour days without breaks, the lack of office and playground equipment and the school's need to be repainted. They also requested a quarterly financial report to track the use of funds.

About three weeks later, the decision to close the school in June "” which parents say they did not see coming "” was made at a board meeting.

"It was voted in front of us. There was so much hustle and bustle that we didn't know what happened," said Alvarette Valley, whose two sons attend the school. "We wanted to put the board on the spot so they could be accountable for what's going on. We had no idea that we were going to fight for our school."

"I was shocked, devastated, hurt and blindsided," she added.

Parents are concerned that they will not be able to enroll their children in other private schools because admissions deadlines have passed, so their children may have no choice other than public schools.

Members of the faculty, meanwhile, are worried about finding work.

Tears streamed down Wendy Lemle's face during a meeting earlier this month that parents organized in reaction to the news of the school's impending closure. Not only will her son be without a school, her husband will be without a job.

Her son, 11, has attended the pre-kindergarten-through-eighth-grade school since he was 2½ and knew only one word: "ball."

"He's only known Cecil Murray Education Center," Lemle said. "To put him abruptly into a public school scares me."

Her husband, who does not have a teaching credential, has taught middle school science since the school opened 10 years ago.

Hunter said he would help place the students and staff in other schools. California's charter school law requires teachers to have credentials in such core subjects as English, math and science.

"The easiest decision for me would be to keep doing what we're doing, which is not working," Hunter told the group of nearly 70 people. "Running this school is not something the church has done well, and we want to do things right."

"We are a walking lawsuit," he added.

Although he would not give specifics about the problems that could attract legal action, Hunter said that not everything in the school was up to code and that there were problems with the structure, curriculum, management and administration that affect students' achievement.

"The school is not operating on par with the expectations the church would have," he said, adding that low test scores were among his main concerns.

The parents said they also were concerned about multiple grades being taught in the same classroom and a teacher shortage that led some instructors to run back and forth between classrooms.

"We don't have to be a lawsuit waiting to happen if [the board] would just give our bosses what we need," said Ephanel Andrews-Armstrong, a preschool and kindergarten teacher.

Parents spoke at the recent meeting and in interviews of a family atmosphere in which their children were finding peace and building self-esteem. They said they cherish the teachers who love and nurture their children "” teachers like Andrews-Armstrong, who ensures that any child who forgets his lunch receives food and who takes children home when their parents can't get to the school to pick them up.

They also spoke of working multiple jobs and long hours to pay the tuition so their children could have access to people who have become extended family.

Those things would not be easily found at a charter school or a regular public school, Valley said.

Hunter is undeterred.

"I know that hugs and love are important, but education is primary at the school," Hunter said.

Dessie Roberts, a member of First AME since 1945 and one of the 15 board members who voted to restructure the school, said low enrollment contributed to their decision.

The school was doing well financially when it had more than 200 students; now it has 75. Although annual tuition is $8,000, parents pay $4,000 and the other half is paid by the church.

"We need more students "” period," Roberts said. More students would allow administrators to bring back computer and music centers, dance and art instruction and a swimming pool.

"I think [the parents] are not seeing the big picture," Roberts said. "It's wrong to create this type of confusion when it's a nonissue."

Hunter envisions a charter school opening in the fall of 2006 with a challenging curriculum taught by a credentialed faculty. He sees an environment that is conducive to artistic creativity and extracurricular activities.

"We not only want a great name, we want a great institution to go with the great name," Hunter said.

The school would have to be renamed if it opened as a charter school, but the name would be changed back at some point to continue honoring the legacy of former pastor Murray, Roberts said.

Church officials plan to continue supporting the school through a foundation. The money would be used to supplement the $26 the school would receive per student per day from the state.

Although First AME supports the school, Hunter said it was nondenominational and would remain that way as a charter school.

"The primary focus of the school is not to evangelize but to train the mind," Hunter said. "The school is sponsored by the church, but it is not a seminary."

Because it is early in the process, Hunter said, he doesn't have all the details worked out for starting the new school.

The board has looked to Raymond Wilder, the founder of Inglewood Preparatory Academy Charter School, for help.

Wilder said administrators should hire teachers who share the vision of the school and ensure that parents are involved in their children's education.

School officials "must be for real because this is something very, very, very serious," Wilder said. "They need to be prepared to work. It's not easy, but it's worth every minute of it."

Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times
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Well Lofton,

I have provided social research in the past from the Glass Ceiling Commission Report that outlined inequities that exist in this society today. If you choose to ignore factual data without providing any factual rebuttal, then you are comfortable with dumbed-down thinking that lets your point of view stand based on your own validation and nothing realy credible that is independent of YOUR view or opinion. That will never go far in this world and only carry weight where the audience is already predisposed to your viewpoint.

**You might want to include supporting quantitative material to your posts (not opinions of known racists and self-loathing negroes)so someone can really take you serious......
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Well Lofton,

I have provided social research in the past from the Glass Ceiling Commission Report that outlined inequities that exist in this society today. If you choose to ignore factual data without providing any factual rebuttal, then you are comfortable with dumbed-down thinking that lets your point of view stand based on your own validation and nothing realy credible that is independent of YOUR view or opinion. That will never go far in this world and only carry weight where the audience is already predisposed to your viewpoint.

**You might want to include supporting quantitative material to your posts (not opinions of known racists and self-loathing negroes)so someone can really take you serious......


Enough material exists to prove my point. Whether you believe so or not, this information more so than what you choose to say or share is very realistic!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
MBM,
I'll try to answer your question:
Part One getting "cooked" by Clinton. First and foremost Hillary will bring out every retrograde, bible-thumping cracker out there. The wingnuts who take Bill O' Riley as gospel will be out in full force. To the Wingnuts Hillary is the Devil incarnate, worse than Bill. Say goodby to woman's choice, say hello to the all Clarence Thomas / Anton Scalia Supreme Court. Say goodby to Brown vs. Board, say hello to Plessy vs. Ferguson. Say goodby to no child left behind say hello to every child of color left in the dirt. See the Democratic party loose every statehouse except Massachusetts. See the Democratic party get crushed in the Senate when the Republicans have a filibuster proof majority. See the Republicans obliterate the last shreds of the New Deal and the Great Society. See "I have a dream!" turn into "when will this nightmare end?"

Part Two Fried by Rice. Condi is the worst possible scenario for any one left of center. She is that most despicable breed of person, the ladder-kicker. Clarence Thomas and Armstrong Williams are two other examples of ladder-kickers that come to mind. A ladder-kicker is a person of color who has used the affirmative action "ladder" to get to their present position and then kicks it away via their right wing philosophy. They innoculate an otherwise viciously retrograde Republican party against the charge of racism. The Republicans wear these people like amulets " look I can't be the reincarnation of Nathan Bedford Forest I'm good friends with Armstrong Williams!" Do you have any doubts that an Ideologue like Rice would be anything other than incredibly bad news for anyone who cares about social justice? With Condi leading the charge, the right wing may just get slavery reinstated.
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
So you really think that your opinion and that of the racists and self-hating negroes is more realistic than academic research produced by a non-partsian policy commission? You believe that even after saying Dynally was an illegal and could not prove it? wow.....you are out there lofty.....waaay out there.....


....again I'm not going to flip this script, just to please anyone's eyes or ears, because Black people are in fact their own worst enemy. This will be the end of this merry-go-round conversation!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
Michael,

I am going to use Kweli4Real' post everytime you start that self-hating diatribe...he says it in a eloquent way...where hopefully one day...you will realize the error of your ways and turn your life around: Thanks Kweli......

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And Oh yeah for the record, the Black community is not its own wosrt enemy. No matter what self-interested white folk and dysfunctional Blacks agree on.

On the whole, the Black community is both functional and productive. However, there are individuals within the Black community that are truly enemies of the state.

There are those that express their dysfunction by shooting up people that look like themselves; there others that choose to see the failings of individuals as failings of the whole community.

While both are problematic, the former is less so because they acting not BECAUSE they are Black, or BECAUSE of their hatred of Black people. There generally are acting because they are lost. Whereas, the latter is acting soley on the basis of race - They hate Black people. If it was left there, the latter group could be simply ignored and left to awaken or self-destruct. However, their pathology gives license to those outside of the community, to continue their racist assaults on the whole of our community, dysfunctional and productive alike.

While I don't believe that your pathology will allow you to understand this message, it is my sincere hope that you will pause to reconsider.


LOFTON...PLEASE READ AND ABSORB......
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Michael,

I am going to use Kweli4Real' post everytime you start that self-hating diatribe...he says it in a eloquent way...where hopefully one day...you will realize the error of your ways and turn your life around: Thanks Kweli......

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And Oh yeah for the record, the Black community is not its own worse enemy. No matter what self-interested white folk and dysfunctional Blacks agree on.

On the whole, the Black community is both functional and productive. However, there are individuals within the Black community that are truly enemies of the state.

There are those that express their dysfunction by shooting up people that look like themselves; there others that choose to see the failings of individuals as failings of the whole community.

While both are problematic, the former is less so because they acting not BECAUSE they are Black, or BECAUSE of their hatred of Black people. There generally are acting because they are lost. Whereas, the latter is acting soley on the basis of race - They hate Black people. If it was left there, the latter group could be simply ignored and left to awaken or self-destruct. However, their pathology gives license to those outside of the community, to continue their racist assaults on the whole of our community, dysfunctional and productive alike.

While I don't believe that your pathology will allow you to understand this message, it is my sincere hope that you will pause to reconsider.

LOFTON...PLEASE READ AND ABSORB......


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Kweli4Real's message does not carry much weight. Including Kweli4Real's diatribe as a tool, to discredit me will not work!

I don't see anything that either Kevin41, or Kweli4Real can offer that is worth absorbing!

On the whole, the Black community is both functional and productive!

....Both functional and productive when, where,..

...More likely the height of being incompetent or dysfunctional....

.....seeing is believing. I don't see it, therefore I don't believe it!

.......the many dead, dead by the blatant incompetence of Black doctors, nurses, and hospital administrators, at Killer/Butcher King Hospital, will never see anything again!


"....Lofton, Why do you hate Black people so much? Your hate of Black people is pathological.

Seriously, you should really seek counseling."by Kweli4Real

....nope, I think some of the Black middle class need a lot more than just counseling.

The people who approved Tate's hours, she said, were "either real, real dense when they were signing all of these authorizations over and over again, or they were taking money for being so stupid." by Los Angeles County Supervisor Gloria Molina

...so true Supervisor Gloria Molina. Tate and those of Black middle class status who promoted this foolishness are beyond ignorant, meaning very stupid!

..more likely some of the Black middle class hate themselves, and the Black community!


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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So Lofton,

Where does the health director(Dr. Thomas Garthwaite) who's head they are calling for fit in? He's white and is under fire for bad management...does that make him stupid like the black middle class? Let me hear you say it is possible for white people to be stupid an incompetent like you say blacks are." by Kevin41


...It's not Director Dr. Thomas Garthwaite fault or doing because this activity has been going on since the 70s.

If not for the victims, demographic shifts, inner-city residents filing complaints, Caucasian lawyers representing the plaintiffs, and/or the Los Angeles Times, etc., doing the ethical by blowing the whistle to expose this activity it would have been business as usual.

The Los Angeles Sentinel, Brentwood Burke, Kerosene Waters, Diane Watson, Marc Ridley Thomas, the illegal immigrant no Good Merv Dymally, Nate Holden, Walter Tucker, Pat Moore, etc., etc., the so-called religious Black community, Black lawyers, Black doctors, nurses, or administrators could have blown the whistle, years ago.

The people on the street have known about the many atrocities of Killer/Butcher King since the 70s. It is the people on the street that gave Martin Luther King County Hospital the alias Killer/Butcher King Hospital!

But as usual, that typical Black middle class choose to:

A. Instead make excuses.

B. Condemn the victims for blowing the whistle on the fraudulent, unethical, criminal, and/or sacrilegious actions of the Black middle-class.

C. Blame Caucasians for problems that incompetent Black nurses, doctors, and hospital administrators have created.

D. Any combination of A, B, or C.

Heck, these individuals have been more concerned about protecting their personal friends, and/or making money at the expense of the community, than showing any duty to being ethical, following the law, and/or respecting the rights of others.

The same can be said about other issues, pertaining to Los Angeles Superior Court Case #895188, Theft by Court, and/or other atrocities, to which anyone of these individuals, elected officials, so-called Black newspapers, so-called religious groups, etc., could have blown the whistle, but here again, their primary concern is to protect their personal friends, and/or make a living at the expense of the property rights, or other rights of the innocent, the oppressed, etc.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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"Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Okay, let's see if I have this right ...

You hold a Black Medical Doctor at fault for deficiency at the hospital. Even though the the problems have been going on since the 70's.

But ...

You hold a white Medical Director blameless BECAUSE

.....the problems have been going on since the 70's?

dO YOU SEE A FLAW IN YOUR LOGIC HERE?" Kweli4Real


.....one Black doctor????? ....closer to the reality of it virtually an entire hospital of Black incompetence.

.....including the degree of incompetence that has been going on for years.

....and it is not just me saying so.

.....and this has nothing to do with my logic.

.......More likely, very poor logic on the part of many individuals who have caused, unnecessary loss of lives, mega bucks in civil suits for damages, and/or possible closing of Butcher/Killer King Hospital. It is certain, considering what truly has transpired here, this place of butchering patients won't be missed!

It is certain that Dr. Thomas Garwaithe is so overwhelmed that it wouldn't be too far fetched to believe that an entire hospital staff will have to be fired, and competent employees hired on to take their place!

One thing is certain, this will be the end of a formerly predominately Black run hospital. The many incompetent Black doctors, nurses, administators, etc., sealed their own fate!

....For well over thirty years, with Black people large and in charge at Killer/Butcher King Hospital, can't say they never had a chance!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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So Garthwaite is not being held accountable for anything in your eyes just because he is white eh lofton? Your self-hatred is so very evident at this point it is a shame.


* Your sweeping endictment of the black middle class is pathological and narrow-minded at best. No one is going to spend their time trying to convince you that the black race as a whole is not f-ked up outside of the uncle toms and rag-heads who do the work of racists whites for them...i call it "racism in blackface".


* As a point of reference, the things you say about black people is like me making the broad generalization that any kid who was ever placed in a foster home was f-ked up, their parents were f-ked up and that they should have stayed their little bad azzes their forever and that their parents were so unfit that they should have never gotten in bed together to conceive kids in the first place. Now lofton, I am pretty sure based on your perception of how you were wronged that you would want someone to give you the benefit of the doubt that your parents were okay and that you all were treated unjust. You would want someone to consider that i'm sure....so in that same vein......you get what you give......if the black middle class if all f-ked up, then all of the loftons should have been locked up because they are only fit for the looney bin.....now fair is fair correct?
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"So Garthwaite is not being held accountable for anything in your eyes just because he is white eh lofton? Your self-hatred is so very evident at this point it is a shame.

* Your sweeping endictment of the black middle class is pathological and narrow-minded at best. No one is going to spend their time trying to convince you that the black race as a whole is not f-ked up outside of the uncle toms and rag-heads who do the work of racists whites for them...i call it "racism in blackface".

* As a point of reference, the things you say about black people is like me making the broad generalization that any kid who was ever placed in a foster home was f-ked up, their parents were f-ked up and that they should have stayed their little bad azzes their forever and that their parents were so unfit that they should have never gotten in bed together to conceive kids in the first place. Now lofton, I am pretty sure based on your perception of how you were wronged that you would want someone to give you the benefit of the doubt that your parents were okay and that you all were treated unjust. You would want someone to consider that i'm sure....so in that same vein......you get what you give......if the black middle class if all f-ked up, then all of the loftons should have been locked up because they are only fit for the looney bin.....now fair is fair correct? by Kevin41


....no sweeping indictment exists here. Specific individuals, and instances have been referenced. Futhermore it is not just Michael Lofton, saying so. The typical Black middleclass in positions of influence, as it relates to elected representatives, lawyers, clergypersons, social workers, probation officers, etc., are an abysmal failure!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
Ouch, Kevin41. That was particularly strong. Ineffective due to Lofton's dysfunction; but never-the-less strong.

I have the impression that Lofton believes that if he says something long enough, it will be accepted as true.

I also have the impression that Lofton is incapable of recognizing that he indicts the Black middleclass for things that he regularly gives white folks a pass.

It's so sad. sad
Well Kweli,

He tries to play crazy, so i thought that I would give him an example he can relate to......don't get me wrong, i sympathize with his situation if he is telling the truth....but who knows with that guy....because all he has ever said is that black people are f-ked up....and the things that happened to him may have had some merit...it is not my job to scrutinize those issues....but it is amazing how this fool can have selective comprehension and response skills....at one time he can address things directly in detail...and other times he acts like he can't read or understand english.....I noticed how he can never answer schit directly...and really thinks he can just say schit, validate it himself....and the public at large should receive it the same way...because he says so......everytime i see his name....i hear the theme from the Looney Tunes.................
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:Well Kweli,

He tries to play crazy, so i thought that I would give him an example he can relate to......don't get me wrong, i sympathize with his situation if he is telling the truth....but who knows with that guy....because all he has ever said is that black people are f-ked up....and the things that happened to him may have had some merit...it is not my job to scrutinize those issues....but it is amazing how this fool can have selective comprehension and response skills....at one time he can address things directly in detail...and other times he acts like he can't read or understand english.....I noticed how he can never answer schit directly...and really thinks he can just say schit, validate it himself....and the public at large should receive it the same way...because he says so......everytime i see his name....i hear the theme from the Looney Tunes.................by Kevin41


...More likely too many of the so-called Black middleclass in a Kevin41, Kweli4Real and/or others who promote, defend, and protect, misfits day in and day out live in LA LA Land!

.....With or without interjecting my situtation, the Black community is in fact its own worse enemy!

....seems to me, after all those years of schooling, a higher university degree, etc., etc., many of the so-called university educated of Black America have become "educated fools", and/or "functionally illiterate", to which they have no one else to fault but themselves. Michael Lofton didn't do!, Racist Caucasians didn't do it!, Condoleeza Rice, President Bush, nor the Republican Party can be blamed for this disgraceful activity. Playing the blame game points in one direction, the direction being the truly inept from the community of Black America!

If there was ever a contest for the worst in being mis-educated these individuals would win hands down, all bets aside!

.....and it is not just me saying so!
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Lofton, Please explain how your last post addresses or responds to anything in the thread so far?

You consistently rile against the Black middle-class "who promote, defend, and protect, misfits ..."

First, I am proudly a member of the middleclass (household income 110+K/yr). I am also Black [educated (BA & JD) and proud].

While you may consider arguing that Black folk are no more dysfunction than white folk, as supporting protecting, defending, promoting misfits, this clearly is not the case. As a rule, I don't defend misfits. However, If misfits are summarily lumped in with the greater Black community in order to criticize the greater community, I will defend the Black community, misfits included. Not because they are misfits, but because they are Black.

I, simply, recognize that our community is quite broad; some members are dysfunction, however, the vast majority are functional, if not succeeding.

How is my doing this any different from you cherry-picking white folk to idolize and defend, ignoring the fact that the greater white community also includes skinheads, klansman, and a majority of white folk that don't give a sh!t about you as a Black person?

Next, if memory serves me, you claim to be Black. You also claim to be a journeyman electrician. [Median wage: >$50K/yr (source: Dept. of Labor Statistics)] You, therefore, would be a member of both groups you resent. How sick is that?

Or, are you lying about your race and/or career. Could be, (since you've never caused it to be published) you are a white female day laborer that knows how to plug something in.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Lofton, Please explain how your last post addresses or responds to anything in the thread so far?

You consistently rile against the Black middle-class "who promote, defend, and protect, misfits ..."

First, I am proudly a member of the middleclass (household income 110+K/yr). I am also Black [educated (BA & JD) and proud].

While you may consider arguing that Black folk are no more dysfunction than white folk, as supporting protecting, defending, promoting misfits, this clearly is not the case. As a rule, I don't defend misfits. However, If misfits are summarily lumped in with the greater Black community in order to criticize the greater community, I will defend the Black community, misfits included. Not because they are misfits, but because they are Black.

I, simply, recognize that our community is quite broad; some members are dysfunction, however, the vast majority are functional, if not succeeding.

How is my doing this any different from you cherry-picking white folk to idolize and defend, ignoring the fact that the greater white community also includes skinheads, klansman, and a majority of white folk that don't give a sh!t about you as a Black person?

Next, if memory serves me, you claim to be Black. You also claim to be a journeyman electrician. [Median wage: >$50K/yr (source: Dept. of Labor Statistics)] You, therefore, would be a member of both groups you resent. How sick is that?

Or, are you lying about your race and/or career. Could be, (since you've never caused it to be published) you are a white female day laborer that knows how to plug something in.


Well Kweli4Real, and/or anyone else of similar mindset, do what you intend to do, because I'm not about to change this tune!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
"Fail to accept the challenge and I will start a thread entitled, "Lofton is a lying back-tracking cowardly liar." by Kweli4Real

"However, this can be avoided by clearly posting that you were/are mistaken. You might lose a little face, but at least you will gain the reputation as a man of integrity, strong enough to admit an error."by Kweli4Real

....still waiting Kweli4Real. I want you to start this thread, so that I can put the angle of truth on it. Come with it Kweli4Real. It will give me yet one more opportunity to circulate the reality of it!

"I'm not asking that you apologize to Dymally. I would have ask anyone to apologize for their opinions of an elected official.

However, your statement [that Dymally is an illegal immigrant] was presented as a statement of fact.

I've challenged you to apology to the members of this board FOR your spurious allegation that Dymally is an illegal immigrant.

An opinion is one thing; but a statement of fact is quite another. Opinions require nothing more the the breathe to make them; however, statements may require support.

Do you see the difference?" by Kweli4Real

....again, I'm not about to flip this script.

Furthermore no good illegal immigrant serving foreign interests at the expense of South Central Los Angeles no good Merv Dymally, is not worthy of any respect, nor is it worthy of apologizing to any member of this board to retract anything said about no good Merv Dymally!

Since you admire him, or otherwise, maybe you should apologize for having the gall to even consider asking for any apology from me, for a Merv Dymally, Brentwood Burke, etc, etc., who are definitely unfit for elected office!

Make your move, because again I'm not changing anything!


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
So ... am I to understand that you are Okay with promoting an obvious falsehood [Dymally being an illegal immigrant] just because you believe the man is unfit for office? He may be unfit. I really don't know. But what I do know is that he is not an illegal immigrant. If he were, he would not have been allowed to run, let alone take office.

Since you seem to have a problem following the thread, let me re-cap. Now focus.

You posted, and continue to post, that Dymally is an illegal immigrant. I have challenged you to support your assertion.

My contribution to this thread, and the basis of my challenge, has been limited to your inability to support your allegation; not whether he is unfit, not whether he supports the interests of those outside of the Black community, not whether he wears superman undies.
i'd love to see Lofton say some stupid schit in an acacdemic environment and try to hold onto to it as true because he said so...it would really prove he has a screw loose....but he's not crazy....he is just vain like a little azz child who should get his azz spanked...and admitting he made a stupid azz, inaccurate statement is just too humbling......man it must be rough having that type of mental and personal affliction......i mean look at the response....he really thinks he is doing the world a favor if he admits he is wrong....hell everyone knows that an illegal can not run for political office in this country.....I wonder why he still tries to hold onto the notion that they can.......wow
....come with it Kweli4Real because I'm not about to change this tune.

....now as for the Pompous Professor of Pomposity, his input deserves no response.

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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
So ... am I to understand that you are Okay with promoting an obvious falsehood [Dymally being an illegal immigrant] just because you believe the man is unfit for office? He may be unfit. I really don't know. But what I do know is that he is not an illegal immigrant. If he were, he would not have been allowed to run, let alone take office.

Since you seem to have a problem following the thread, let me re-cap. Now focus.

You posted, and continue to post, that Dymally is an illegal immigrant. I have challenged you to support your assertion.

My contribution to this thread, and the basis of my challenge, has been limited to your inability to support your allegation; not whether he is unfit, not whether he supports the interests of those outside of the Black community, not whether he wears superman undies.


"Fail to accept the challenge and I will start a thread entitled, "Lofton is a lying back-tracking cowardly liar." by Kweli4Real

"However, this can be avoided by clearly posting that you were/are mistaken. You might lose a little face, but at least you will gain the reputation as a man of integrity, strong enough to admit an error."by Kweli4Real

....still waiting Kweli4Real. I want you to start this thread, so that I can put the angle of truth on it. Come with it Kweli4Real. It will give me yet one more opportunity to circulate the reality of it!

"I'm not asking that you apologize to Dymally. I would have ask anyone to apologize for their opinions of an elected official.

However, your statement [that Dymally is an illegal immigrant] was presented as a statement of fact.

I've challenged you to apology to the members of this board FOR your spurious allegation that Dymally is an illegal immigrant.

An opinion is one thing; but a statement of fact is quite another. Opinions require nothing more the the breathe to make them; however, statements may require support.

Do you see the difference?" by Kweli4Real

....again, I'm not about to flip this script.

Furthermore no good illegal immigrant serving foreign interests at the expense of South Central Los Angeles no good Merv Dymally, is not worthy of any respect, nor is it worthy of apologizing to any member of this board to retract anything said about no good Merv Dymally!

Since you admire him, or otherwise, maybe you should apologize for having the gall to even consider asking for any apology from me, for a Merv Dymally, Brentwood Burke, etc, etc., who are definitely unfit for elected office!

Make your move, because again I'm not changing anything!


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
Admire Dymally? Where do you get that from? Point to one post where I've mentioned him, other than to call you out on your lie. Hell, I don't anything about the man, other than in your opinion he is unfit for office. Maybe ... Maybe not.

But as I've said, more than once, that's not even my concern. My concern is your posting obviously fallacious information [Dymally being an illegal immigrant] and your refusal to acknowledge that you lied. Plain and simple.

The rest of your rantings are just that opinionated rantings.
you believe him to
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Admire Dymally? Where do you get that from? Point to one post where I've mentioned him, other than to call you out on your lie. Hell, I don't anything about the man, other than in your opinion he is unfit for office. Maybe ... Maybe not.

But as I've said, more than once, that's not even my concern. My concern is your posting obviously fallacious information [Dymally being an illegal immigrant] and your refusal to acknowledge that you lied. Plain and simple.

The rest of your rantings are just that opinionated rantings.
you believe him to


quote:
Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
So, am I to take it that you feel perfectly Okay with promoting a lie [that Dymally is an illegal immigrant], just because you have no respect for the man?

AGAIN, for the literarily challenged, I don't admire Dymally, hell, I don't know anything about him other than your saying that he is

unfit for office. But what I do know is that in order to attain the office, he must be a citizen. You have said, and continue to say, that he is an illegal immigrant. That was the basis of my challenge - not whether he is unfit for office, not whether he serves the interests of people other than the Black community; but whether you can support your assertion.

UNDERSTAND??????


"Fail to accept the challenge and I will start a thread entitled, "Lofton is a lying back-tracking cowardly liar." by Kweli4Real

"However, this can be avoided by clearly posting that you were/are mistaken. You might lose a little face, but at least you will gain the reputation as a man of integrity, strong enough to admit an error."by Kweli4Real

....still waiting Kweli4Real. I want you to start this thread, so that I can put the angle of truth on it. Come with it Kweli4Real. It will give me yet one more opportunity to circulate the reality of it!

"I'm not asking that you apologize to Dymally. I would have ask anyone to apologize for their opinions of an elected official.

However, your statement [that Dymally is an illegal immigrant] was presented as a statement of fact.

I've challenged you to apology to the members of this board FOR your spurious allegation that Dymally is an illegal immigrant.

An opinion is one thing; but a statement of fact is quite another. Opinions require nothing more the the breathe to make them; however, statements may require support.

Do you see the difference?" by Kweli4Real

....again, I'm not about to flip this script.

Furthermore no good illegal immigrant serving foreign interests at the expense of South Central Los Angeles no good Merv Dymally, is not worthy of any respect, nor is it worthy of apologizing to any member of this board to retract anything said about no good Merv Dymally!

Since you admire him, or otherwise, maybe you should apologize for having the gall to even consider asking for any apology from me, for a Merv Dymally, Brentwood Burke, etc, etc., who are definitely unfit for elected office!

Make your move, because again I'm not changing anything!


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
Kweli,

I personally think he is not worth that type of attention. Some people get a warped sense of self-importance from too much attention and actually get to thinking that they warrant it......anybody who says things that they CANNOT substantiate and try to mask that inability as a REFUSAL to substantiate it is just playing mind tricks with their damn selves....because I know they do not actually believe they are fooling someone.....I give them the benefit of the doubt when I make that statement......maybe they do think they are actually fooling someone......but they are not....

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