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Rev. Al Sharpton, who I rarely agree with on anything, just said something I totally agree with.

"I don't agree with her politics. I don't agree with some of her background. But she should get an up-or-down vote," Sharpton said.

The Senate Judiciary Committee is scheduled to vote today on whether to allow her nomination to go to the full Senate.

The Washington Times reported today: "Sharpton echoed the concerns of many conservatives "” especially black conservatives "” that Justice Brown is being opposed because she doesn't conform to the Democratic ideology that many blacks espouse."

Sharpton said: "We've got to stop this monolith in black America because it impedes the freedom of expression for all of us. I don't think she should be opposed because she doesn't come from some assumed club."

He compared the filibusters to the same sort of "pocket vetoes" used for so long against blacks.

-from www.newsmax.com

Good on ya, Reverend. [/Newfie dialect] Cool

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
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He compared the filibusters to the same sort of "pocket vetoes" used for so long against blacks. -- Al Sharpton

That is an admirable statement. It speaks to the implied sense of fairness that is said to prevail, both in America and America's politics.
But, we know that is not true.

The game of politics is not about "fairness." We must learn to "play the game" if we are to be successful in the game. The gamesmanship of committees, as well as filibuster are attributes of the game.

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.
This is what Al really said:

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NEW YORK, NY"”Democratic Presidential Candidate, the Reverend Al Sharpton, issued the following statement to clarify his position on the potential filibuster of President Bush's nomination of California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit.
"I am strongly opposed to the nomination of Janice Rogers Brown to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals." "She is so far removed from the judicial mainstream that she poses a serious threat to the progress we have made in civil rights." "This morning, I made phone calls to Senator Lahey, through his Chief-of-Staff, Luke Albee, and Senators John Edwards, and Charles Schumer, to convey my opposition to the nomination of Justice Brown." "I asked the Senators to do everything within their means to prevent her from gaining a lifetime appointment to this important Court, and call upon the full Senate to take the same steps to ensure that she is not confirmed."


Looks like Al's vote is for Janice Brown to go 'down'!
Beside Shebakoby, why should a Canadian care what Blacks in America think? Should it matter to you if Janice Brown or Charlie Brown gets to be a Circuit Court judge? Who asked for you to come in here and offer an uninvited and uniformed opinion? You're not even a U.S. citizen! Which I find incredibly hilarious and arrogant of you to interject your opinion here of all places. Roll Eyes

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965

[This message was edited by Yssys on November 08, 2003 at 06:15 AM.]
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Originally posted by Yssys:
This is what Al _really_ said:

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NEW YORK, NY"”Democratic Presidential Candidate, the Reverend Al Sharpton, issued the following statement to clarify his position on the potential filibuster of President Bush's nomination of California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit.
"I am strongly opposed to the nomination of Janice Rogers Brown to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals." "She is so far removed from the judicial mainstream that she poses a serious threat to the progress we have made in civil rights." "This morning, I made phone calls to Senator Lahey, through his Chief-of-Staff, Luke Albee, and Senators John Edwards, and Charles Schumer, to convey my opposition to the nomination of Justice Brown." "I asked the Senators to do everything within their means to prevent her from gaining a lifetime appointment to this important Court, and call upon the full Senate to take the same steps to ensure that she is not confirmed."


Looks like Al's vote is for Janice Brown to go 'down'!
Beside Shebakoby, why should a Canadian care what Blacks in America think? Should it matter to you if Janice Brown or Charlie Brown gets to be a Circuit Court judge? Who asked for you to come in here and offer an uninvited and uniformed opinion? You're not even a U.S. citizen! Which I find incredibly hilarious and arrogant of you to interject your opinion here of all places. Roll Eyes

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965

[This message was edited by Yssys on November 08, 2003 at 06:15 AM.]



I wasn't talking about whether he SUPPORTED Janice Rogers Brown, I was talking about the fact that even HE recognized that this filibuster is B.S. and she should at least have an UP OR DOWN VOTE (non-supermajority).

Boy you really don't know do you? Whither USA goes, Canada usually follows, and vice versa. AND YES IT F***ING MATTERS--I have relatives here in USA (and am currently posting from Mt. Vernon WA). I am A DUAL CITIZEN (US/CAN) SO DON'T TELL ME I CAN'T COMMENT!!!!!!!!! This ain't so much what black people think it's about what LIBERAL LEFT-LEANING PEOPLE think!!!!! Un-invited doesn't mean $#**--this is a free country. Uninformed my @$$. I know more about American Politics than some Americans I know.

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
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Originally posted by Yssys:
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Un-invited doesn't mean $#**--this is a free country. Uninformed my @$$. I know more about American Politics than some Americans I know.


Apparently too damn free. Roll Eyes


Are you saying you are pro-totalitarianism? Wink

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
Sheba,

Save all that dumb*ss CONSERVO-speak for those type of website-forums. You're talkin' pig-Latin when you use terms like Totalitarianism and Socialism as if that sh*t resonates as relevant to us here. Your view is always UNINFORMED, especially when it comes to discussing issues on this forum.

You can't take some lilly White sh*t and come here talkin' it like it's suppose to mean something to us - i.e. Rush Limbaugh type of lilly White BullSh*t. He doesn't pull any weight here nor does any of his ideas or your own White-derived ones.

Yssys quote "clarifying" Al's position demonstrated your uninformed and ridiculous thread. Sheba, regardless as to what it is, we don't give a damn about what you think about Al Sharpton no matter what his views are. The fact that you couldn't separate his principle from his politics is amazing. The fact that you apparently think principle and politics are the same thing or indicative of one another is even more amazing.

Sheba, we don't care what you think (that's if I can use your name and think in the same sentence)...

So, yes your opinion is UNINVITED here, but sense you like to impose, GO AHEAD! That would put you in good White company!! There's a history of IMPOSING... and being UNINFORMED... Hell that doesn't matter either, as long as from the Imposition Company - even if you're wrong you're RIGHT(-wing)!
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Originally posted by shebakoby:
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Originally posted by Yssys:
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Un-invited doesn't mean $#**--this is a free country. Uninformed my @$$. I know more about American Politics than some Americans I know.


Apparently too damn free. Roll Eyes


Are you saying you are pro-totalitarianism? Wink

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the _John Birch Society_"-Rush Limbaugh


Shebakoby, I'm saying that you need to go get some business of your own and stop trying to interject your white Canadian views on an African-American based message board. In other words, step.

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Sheba,

Save all that dumb*ss CONSERVO-speak for those type of website-forums. You're talkin' pig-Latin when you use terms like Totalitarianism and Socialism as if that sh*t resonates as relevant to us here. Your view is always UNINFORMED, especially when it comes to discussing issues on this forum.


ROFLMFAO. Why the F*** should I "preach to the choir"?? If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and LOOKS like a duck, guess what IT'S A DUCK. If it walks like a LIBERAL, talks like a LIBERAL, and debates like a LIBERAL, IT'S A LIBERAL.

You're like saying I can't call a duck a duck because the word "duck" is some anglo-honkey construct that doesn't apply to anyone else. F*** man it's STILL a duck whatever the hell you call it. Does the fact that there are NO ducks in some parts of the world NEGATE the fact of ducks?! If a language has NO word for "duck" does it mean ducks don't exist at all?

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
You can't take some lilly White sh*t and come here talkin' it like it's suppose to mean something to us - i.e. Rush Limbaugh type of lilly White BullSh*t. He doesn't pull any weight here nor does any of his ideas or your own White-derived ones.

White derived? WTF MAN. The Chinese sure didn't give a $#** that some pasty white ex-Jew invented communism. A "good idea" is a "good idea" (or a bad one) after all, no matter where it comes from. This crazy talk about race-based thinkage is totally insane. Dude you need professional shrink help.

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Yssys quote "clarifying" Al's position demonstrated your uninformed and ridiculous thread. Sheba, regardless as to what it is, we don't give a damn about what you think about Al Sharpton no matter what his views are. The fact that you couldn't separate his principle from his politics is amazing. The fact that you apparently think principle and politics are the same thing or indicative of one another is even more amazing.

She totally missed my point. I KNEW from the getgo that Al Sharpton didn't want Janice Rodgers Brown confirmed, however I found it interesting that he said she SHOULD get a vote regardless. No I do not think politics and principle are the same thing, in fact in many cases the two are mutually exclusive, especially if one happens to be a Democrat. Even a broken clock is right twice a day though.


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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Sheba, we don't care what you think (that's if I can use your name and think in the same sentence)...

Blahblahblah...

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
So, yes your opinion is UNINVITED here, but sense you like to impose, GO AHEAD! That would put you in good White company!! There's a history of IMPOSING... and being UNINFORMED... Hell that doesn't matter either, as long as from the Imposition Company - even if you're wrong you're RIGHT(-wing)!


So this is "imposition" now? ROFL oh that is rich. Where's your f***ing TOLERANCE? If people are supposed to "tolerate" you, why the f*** can't you "tolerate" me? Wink

BTW my grandma's neighbor in Estevan Saskatchewan used to tell her "Close the gate, darkie"--so I'm not all white, dude!
"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
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Originally posted by Yssys:
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Originally posted by shebakoby:
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Originally posted by Yssys:
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Un-invited doesn't mean $#**--this is a free country. Uninformed my @$$. I know more about American Politics than some Americans I know.


Apparently too damn free. Roll Eyes


Are you saying you are pro-totalitarianism? Wink

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the _John Birch Society_"-Rush Limbaugh


Shebakoby, I'm saying that you need to go get some business of your own and stop trying to interject your white Canadian views on an African-American based message board. In other words, step.


Now what fun would that be? WTF is this "white canadian views" BULL$#**?! I do not give a FLYING RODENT'S RECTUM what color I am "supposed" to be. As for "canadian" views, hell you don't know what "Canadian views" are (they tend to be LIBERAL!!!!! I've lived here for 30 years I SHOULD KNOW.)

Why are my views "white"? Is it because they do not agree with yours? If my views DID agree with yours, would they CEASE to be "White"?????? C'mon now!

Step, as in "Get the F*** outta here"? That sort of nonsense tends to have the opposite effect, lady. I am notoriously defiant of other people telling me to do stuff. Razz

I Thought we were supposed to embrace DIVERSITY, of color, thought and opinion. You have shown yourself to be more closed-minded than any right winger I have EVER met. C'mon, where's the multiculturalism, eh?

"You liberals with your conspiracy theories are starting to sound like your own version of the John Birch Society"-Rush Limbaugh
and we wonder why the things happen to this country that do happen.....its the mentality of the people here....too damn arrogant so they have to be shown what respect for others is.....and the sad part is......that doesn't even work........

and as so far as multiculturalism......that is a bullshit term....as long as a distinct sector of americans work to retain the wealth and maintain white advantage and privelege....all of you are just talking out of your azzes with that bullschit..the only time america acts inclusive is when it is time to die in wars.......
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Originally posted by shebakoby:

ROFLMFAO. Why the F*** should I "preach to the choir"?? If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and LOOKS like a duck, guess what IT'S A DUCK. If it walks like a LIBERAL, talks like a LIBERAL, and debates like a LIBERAL, IT'S A LIBERAL.
Funny, that's my opinion about RACIST, WHITE SUPREMACY attitudes.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and LOOKS like a duck, guess what IT'S A DUCK.

Yeah! No need to have a confession. No need for someone to think they did something worng in their own minds. Jails are full of people who believe they are "innocent" Roll Eyes and did nothing wrong and have a good rationale (to them) for how what they did wasn't wrong. Then too, plenty of criminals are careful not to incriminate themselves. Hell, even an "innocent" little child will lie if they think there's some punishment forthcoming for telling the truth against themselves.

Side Note:
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BTW, I recall a very strong lesson and emphasis placed on "Telling The Truth Even If It Is Against Yourself" coming from my experience and study of Islam as oppose to my Christian experience.

Note: The TEN COMMANDMENTS only require that you not "bear false witness against your neighbor", though I'm sure lying is not condoned per se.


Quran 4:135
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This crazy talk about race-based thinkage is totally insane. Dude you need professional shrink help.
Well, if that's so then how is it you believe there is such a thing as a "Black" mentality - i.e. thinkage - that associates academic pursuits with "ACTING WHITE". Certainly, that must be free of any attributable race based features according to you? But you believe it exist as such?... As a mentality that is indicative of how some Black people think to exclusion of any other race, mind you.

You also believe in race "thinkage" when you promote this idea that Black people think ALL White people are racist. What...??? Is that different??

Note: There are plenty of people (one's you would call "Liberal") of all races who speak about racism in the same terms Black people do. I guess that's enough to legitimize Black people's thoughts on racism huh?
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...I found it interesting that he said she SHOULD get a vote regardless... So this is "imposition" now?
The "IMPOSITION" comes in with thinking that the f*ckin' shit that interest you and particularly your spin is of any interest to us. More specifically, the thought and presumption that it is an issue to us - i.e. Sharpton wanting a vote is a NON-ISSUE here, at least with me.

The presumption is [1] That Al Sharpton endorsement of the "vote" issue has some weight with how the hell we feel; and [2] That such a vote would be opposed by us as he laid out his views on it.

Simply, you've made a big issue out of a NON-ISSUE. All of which is derived from your Left-Right think which is an IMPOSITION of how you see the world when you've been told that's not the consensus here at least not in the same way you view it.
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BTW my grandma's neighbor in Estevan Saskatchewan used to tell her "Close the gate, darkie"--so I'm not _all_ white, dude!
What...?? Now your color matters?

The fact remains that you express opinions that are associated with the way "White" people primarily think. You actual skin color has nothing to do with it. It should not be so hard to understand unless you can tell me you were eduated by Afrocentricist or something or someone whose ideas aren't derived from WHITE Western Traditional thinking and perspectives... The Liberal ~ Conservative construct is patently "White" and has much less meaning or applicability to Black people or at least nowhere near relevance it seems to have for you and "pure" WHITES.

For the record, there are "pure" Blacks that think that way too. But that's all about what their perspective is and the importance they ascribe to certain things about the "Black experience" and Black history is to them.

Your objection would have some basis if it wasn't like so many other things based on a double-standard you have - i.e. inconsistency and selective application of it.

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Facts can obscure truth.
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