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...and now control both houses of congress and the executive branch. Now, like I've been saying all along, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything and it looks like that in this mid-term election, the democrats proved they didn't stand for anything. They talked about how much they hated the Bush tax cut but voted for it. They say they don't want to give Bush a blank check to start war with Iraq, but voted for that too.

How do you submit to those sent you to Washington an agenda that supports your values when you are willing to surrender those same values in the hopes of your remaining in power?

Historically, the party in power have always lost seats during mid-year elections. But this election year was not the case. Anybody with eyes could see that the democrat leadership was on the wrong path when they made this election a referendum on their contempt for George W. Bush. Democrats only talked about how Bush doesn't care about the economy and is only interested in oil and war but it appears the electorate didn't see it that way.

If you didn't notice, Bush didn't push war with Iraq as much as he pushed the issue of national security. But the democrat leadership, Tom Daschle simply remained "disappointed" that he was drowned out by the drum of national security beating by the Republicans. Either democrats bought into the myth that GWBush was an idiot or was completely out smarted by the reality that without national security, there is no economy. None!

When Bushmaster Muhammad and son went on a killing spree in and around the nations capital a few short weeks ago, why didn't the democrat leadership notice that while the people were not secure, the economy in those areas all but stopped. No one would buy gas, or food or visit any restaurant in the area. The people were not secure enough to leave their homes to buy food they were so terrified.

But as soon as these two murderers were captured, people flooded the stores and the economy returned to normal. Proving what this administration had been saying all along that without a feeling of being secure at home, there is no way an economy can flourish.

Anyway, the big question is, what happens now and what will the democrats do to return to respectability? Will they change there methods and double-standards where Black people are concerned? Or will they hunker down and continue to push the same stereotyped agenda which caused them to do something that hasn't happened since 1934? And that is to lose seats during a midterm election.

Clearly, the democrats need to change but will they? Will they continue to leech it's young talent to the Republican and independent parties where they are only left offering ideas born in the very early 1900's; in the person of Walter Mondale and Frank Lautenberg? Will democrat leadership end this practice of stepping over Black talented politicians to put up a "white" face because they think a Black face is too stupid to win in an all white voting populous?

I don't know they will answer but they better be mindful that our younger Black voters are watching and are not so beholden to the tenants of the democrat party. They know racism when they see it.

Sidebar: It's now official. Mondale has lost in all 50 states! lol

-Jazhawk
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Yeah, Dixie Republican control of the Senate and House coupled with the racist Bush administration, I'm sure George Wallace is smiling in his grave! But for yall in the hood, employment in Iraq or extended sentences is on the way! For brothers like me, I guess we will go hungry cuzz we ain't shinning shoes, appeasing white folk, brown nosing or back side kissing, no, I think I just keep it real!
Good Morning Mr. Jazhawk,

"When Bushmaster Muhammad and son went on a killing spree in and around the nations capital a few short weeks ago, why didn't the democrat leadership notice that while the people were not secure, the economy in those areas all but stopped. No one would buy gas, or food or visit any restaurant in the area. The people were not secure enough to leave their homes to buy food they were so terrified.

But as soon as these two murderers were captured, people flooded the stores and the economy returned to normal. Proving what this administration had been saying all along that without a feeling of being secure at home, there is no way an economy can flourish." by Mr. jazhawk

Well, said. It would behoove Black America to ditch the Democratic Party, for indeed the Democrats have cheated, deceived, misrepresented, and/or have been criminal in dealing with the working class, those in poverty, the inner-city, etc. It is hoped that the masses of Black America, abandon ship before going down with the "Titanic".

"A neighborhood or city must be made safe and secure before any major business undertaking is started. This means more police officers will be hired or reassigned, to be used to rid any area designated for business or real estate development of any problems that are not condusive to business development or real estate development.

On the positive note, business development should create employment opportunities for qualified individuals to reduce unemployment. In many instances criminal activity is directly proportional to the level of employment opportunity, meaning high unemployment-high crime, and low unemployment-less criminal activity.

On the negative note, those who refuse to refrain from illicit activity will become fodder for various penal institutions."

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on November 06, 2002 at 10:45 AM.]
Hello,

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...the democrats proved they didn't stand for anything. They talked about how much they hated the Bush tax cut but voted for it. They say they don't want to give Bush a blank check to start war with Iraq, but voted for that too.
-Jazhawk



Agreed. I was disappointed by the lack of Democratic candidates saying "This is my plan for the economy, and it's better than Bush's because ___________. This is my plan for national security ___________, and you'll be more secure than with Bush's plan because _________"

For whatever reason they didn't get that candidates are supposed to promise action. Preferably the sort they intend to act on.
I agree, Lea. The Dems appeared clueless, other than to sit back and bash the Repub's plan.

And, I agree with Lofton. After this election, Black's should abandon the Dems.; but not just to switch to the Repubs. As was posted in another thread, Black's should register as Independants and declare that we will no longer support a party for the party's sake. We will support individual candidates for their positions that benefit us, whatever the party affiliation of the candidate.
Hello Mr. Kweli4Real,

"After this election, Black's should abandon the Dems.; but not just to switch to the Repubs. As was posted in another thread, Black's should register as Independants and declare that we will no longer support a party for the party's sake. We will support individual candidates for their positions that benefit us, whatever the party affiliation of the candidate." by Mr. Kweli4Real

Well said. Indeed support shall be forthcoming not for any particular party or candidate's sake but rather individual or community support should be based on the quality of representation presented and delivered.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
The economy will be making a shift now the ducks are in a row. The republicans rule, and for all those Blacks who borrowed on their future and over-extended their credit on the promise the democrats placed on the money table, I say this. Don't blame the reps without first blaming the dems who set you up. Life goes on and if we get caught up then it's our fault for trusting and having faith in either party. Life will also repeats itself until we wake up.

EAZy
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But for yall in the hood, employment in Iraq or extended sentences is on the way! For brothers like me, I guess we will go hungry cuzz we ain't shinning shoes, appeasing white folk, brown nosing or back side kissing, no, I think I just keep it real!


No, it doesn't mean that at all. Not even close. It means you get up off your ass and participate in the body politic by getting your hands dirty. It means those of you who have means and ideas, put them into play and make a damn difference in your communities, because that is truly where it all starts.

It means following up on local candidates who spend a lifetime finding new ways to convince you how racist and bigoted some whites are. Teaching generation after generation that some "ghost or boogieman" is on the other side of town out to get you and by electing them, you and your jobs will be protected. The only thing protected is the huge pension funds and automatic raises politicians continue to receive as the behest of them protecting us.

And did you know they have the option of moving their own money out of social security into a private pension fund if they want? Then tell you, not to do it? But I digress.

The fact is, you won't be anything else but scared, shoe shinnin', boot lickin' yesser bossin' boy from da hood. MBM is on point when he commented that it's time for a mass exodus from the democrat party. Construct our own mission statement and elect our own candidates to move our agenda.

I don't mean more democrat style pandering either.

-Jazhawk
I am enjoying this dialogue and I especially liked Lea's post. ...and I find myself even siding with Lofton on this one, but I'd have to do some research on the generalized statements, of course.

In my own state, California, Democratic Incumbant Gray Davis kept is Governorship over challenger Bill Simon, but I was disappointed in both sides just attacking each other. It was like, "He made this mistake, so vote for me". They also make it seem like the person in charge has more power than they do. No one can fix everything and there are so many more factors to decisions. They make it sound so simple when pointing fingers in blame. I must admit that the ads against Bill Simon were effective in me not wanting him to win, regardless of who else won. I was faced with the lessor of the 2 evils.

I'm not very politcal minded, I prefer computers and logic, but I am learning from you guys... so Thank you...

La Femme Nkechi
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Be the change in the world you want to see
- Think about the effects even your smallest actions have on the world. You are often a part of the problem. Stop pointing fingers, accept responsibility and be a part of the solution. Create your higher self!
Under the new Republican dominated Congress and Senate, blacks nationwide will enjoy unprecedented opportunities for longer jail sentences and increased employment opportunities in the Iraq Theater of war! You guys are right about the Dems, but I still can't wait for the Republican promise to hard working African Americans!!
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Originally posted by kraaaal:
Under the new Republican dominated Congress and Senate, blacks nationwide will enjoy unprecedented opportunities for longer jail sentences and increased employment opportunities in the Iraq Theater of war! You guys are right about the Dems, but I still can't wait for the Republican promise to hard working African Americans!!


Two things:

1. If you can't do the time don't do the crime

2. Its a VOLUNTEER Army, if people sign up now not realizing that this country is about to go to war then they really are stupid.
Two things:

1. If you can't do the time don't do the crime

2. Its a VOLUNTEER Army, if people sign up now not realizing that this country is about to go to war then they really are stupid.

Yes, that's right Jazzdog! Except you forgot, for next couple years it's all courtesy of the Republican Party. Yeah, "can't do the time don't do the crime," because like kraal said, under the Republicans expect fast-track Jail construction for you brothas in da hood, Dog!
Cuzz wit da quickness here war will come to those Iraqi's and you Dogs in da hood can git good jobs in da army, - DOG!

So, yeah Jazzdog with that kinda program the Republicans don't need the NAACP.
Already served and honorable discharged from the Air Force so joining the Army is not in the future. If building more jails is necessary to house all the social misfits in this country who can't seem to live within the boundaries of decent society so be it. This whole sad affair of blaming people's crimes on everything but personal responsibility is really old.

Oh by the way for future reference I don't live in the hood and never have and really don't see any reason to change that status. razz
I really am enjoying this discussion. Jazhawk and (of course) Lea are hiting the nail directly on the head. I'm personally NOT happy about the Republican dominance, because my top political concern, judicial nominations, is heavily implicated by complete dominance of one party, who will confirm Bush nominees without hestitation, and without much investigation. But the Democrats deserved to flounder in this election, because few of them campaigned on any decisive issue. They supported Bush's agenda to help themselves politically, and now they got kicked right the heck on out. It's time they decided what they stand for as a party, nationally.
I must agree that prisons have become nothing but industries with the increased penalities for drugs associated with the hood, like crack and marijuana. What many folks don't know is that many of the things that are made are now being made by prisoners. All military folks know about the prison industries which provide bases with great office furniture. Also users of prison labor include MCI, Sprint and Coca-Cola.
I also I had a cousin recently dumb enough to join the Army reserves even after I told her to ask her recruiter about an ROTC scholarship. Now it looks like they could be activating her as soon as she gets out of AIT (Tech School).
I agree that the Republicans party and the spineless democrats are going to even further ruin our bad reputation abroad. This is very sad. So many people are caught up with 11 Sept, the event and not the causes that led up to it and the world wide affect that it had. I think Americans need to broaden our frame of reference.
Souljah
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So many people are caught up with 11 Sept, the event and not the causes that led up to it and the world wide affect that it had..


I'll be straight up with you, I lost friends in the WTC on September 11. And you are right about me, I'm caught up. Caught up like it was me in the building.

However, it really doesn't matter in the least bit as to what led up to my friends being killed. You can't explain it to me and you can't convince me that they deserved to die in the mannor in which they did. Crushed and burned to death in a building for simply going to work.

So the next time a family member gets jacked in the street and dies, just continue on like it's just another day. Because even if you don't know what what lead up to it, somebody knows! And that's all that matters right?

-Jazhawk
"Oh by the way for future reference I don't live in the hood and never have."

I hear ya Jazzdog, I don't live in the hood either. But for brothas that do, lets see who will be next to holler about "Industrial Jail Complex," or racial profiling, Redlining or the plain refusal of the Republican Party to address the needs of African Americans. Because with this Republican sweep, what was that Jazhawk said; "It means you get up off your ass and participate in the body politic by getting your hands dirty," yep! The answer for any and all black issues for the next two years.
. . . . Bush is out in 2004! wink

Now that he has "control" over the government there will be no one else for him to blame in 2004!

Seriously, I do think he had better be careful and not "over reach" on his legislative agenda or else he'll be sorry. If the economy doesn't come back, it could do him in. Current polls already show most Americans trust the Dems with the economy over the Republicans.

Onward and Upward!
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Originally posted by MBM:
. . . . Bush is out in 2004! wink

Now that he has "control" over the government there will be no one else for him to blame in 2004!

Seriously, I do think he had better be careful and not "over reach" on his legislative agenda or else he'll be sorry. If the economy doesn't come back, it could do him in. Current polls already show most Americans trust the Dems with the economy over the Republicans.

Onward and Upward!


MBM,

I agree with what you are saying but I don't think that the situation will be any different in 2004 due to the fact that I don't think that this war on terrorism will be over by then. As bad as the economy is now, americans this election were more concerned with feeling safe in their own homes and decided that republicans would do a better job in making them feel secure at home and aboard.

Plus just how much growth does George really need to get the american people behind him, any growth no matter small will be used as proof positive that his agenda is working, and what it took to get things running smoothly was republicans controlling both sides of the Congress.

Additionally, if the democrats run as bad as they did this time without any real message, it won't matter how bad things are they will still lose.

[This message was edited by jazzdog on November 06, 2002 at 06:48 PM.]

[This message was edited by jazzdog on November 06, 2002 at 06:49 PM.]
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. . . . Bush is out in 2004!
Now that he has "control" over the government there will be no one else for him to blame in 2004!
Seriously, I do think he had better be careful and not "over reach" on his legislative agenda or else he'll be sorry. If the economy doesn't come back, it could do him in. Current polls already show most Americans trust the Dems with the economy over the Republicans.


You just get back from Afghanistan MBM? lol. Don't you realize what just happened? Bush has moved the electorate to the right and you maintain his exodus in two years. I don't quite understand that. Democrats were turned out and that has not happened in a mid term election in a 100 years.

I don't read a crystal ball but if I was a betting man, I would put my money on Bush in 2004. He is not nearly the dim bulb highbrow, snooty democrats think he is. He is proving to be much smarter than Clinton ever was. Clinton was only successful at getting democrats to leave the democrat party, including me.

I will agree with you that he should not over reach with his legislative agenda but so far, this doesn't seem to be his Modus Operandi. I think he will push to make these tax cuts permanent in a budget resolution because cloture won't be an issue. He'll get rid of the marriage penalty and estate taxes and kick Sadam's ass in the process. This move will put the saudi's on notice that a new deal is about to happen. They won't like it but there won't be anything they could do about it.

There will be some judgeships in place which will be the most important thing to happen so I would recommend democrats bone up on those to be confirmed. If not, you'll be whining about how conservative the courts are. The rest will be on autopilot until he leaves office in 2008.

-Jazhawk
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Originally posted by Jazhawk:

Don't you realize what just happened? Bush has moved the electorate to the right and you maintain his exodus in two years.


I'll throw out an opposing point of view. Bush hasn't won any huge political mandate. Republicans won a couple of _razor thin_ Senate victories, and thus picked up some crucial seats and "control". Democrats control the majority of state houses across the country where they picked up seats. The House was Republican and remains so.

Because they picked up control of the Senate it seems like there is this major shift occurring. It ain't! My take is that people are supporting the president around national security issues and "giving him a pass" on the economy.

He won't have it so easy in 2 years and won't have Tom Daschle to blame.

Democrats have to get their stuff together though!

Onward and Upward!
Perhaps we have to agree to disagree on this first point of your that the president did not achieve a political mandate. It is no mistake that the positions he's taken on homeland defense, September 11, his move to solicit congressional approval for this move on Iraq after democrat instance he do so. His position and decision to give the United Nations some time to develop a resolution "with teeth" in it, to force Iraq to disarm. This was also an insistence of a democrat senate that he do this; he has! Better put, the democrats are out of gas.

The people see security as a requirement to economic recovery since no nation can flourish when the people are afraid to leave their homes. Security is the number requirement to economic growth.

The democrat leadership was turned out of office November 5th and if this isn't a political mandate, then perhaps I don't understand the definition.

You said: the republicans won some razor thin races. If I can quote Mr. Jackson, "winning by one vote is still a win". I don't agree with your assessment of "many" wins being razor thin, however, Daschle's short ascension to majority leader spot, if you remember was also razor thin.

You said: Democrats control the majority of state houses across the country where they picked up seats

Have we switched to discussing local statewide elections or are we still on Washington? Don't get me wrong MBM, I won't ever say that just because you wear a republican or democrat label, you are somehow better or worse than the other. I've been a conservative democrat long before Bill Clinton moved the party into his bedroom. So it doesn't matter to this voter how many seats a democrat holds. Right now, they don't control any house in Washington.

That, in my opinion is a mandate.

You said: people are supporting the president around national security issues and "giving him a pass" on the economy

This is where your position is flat out wrong MBM. The economy and national security are the same thing. You cannot have one without the other. Attempting to seperate the two was a futile attempt by democrat leadership that just didn't work. Almost as if they are making decisions from a country club while doing shots.

There was no pass needed because this country was attacked inside it's borders. Nuff said!

And as far as Tom Daschle is concerned, and as slow as Washington politics are, there is enough legislation tied up in the senate to blame Daschle for the next two years. Daschle is "deeply disappointed" about now because he knows it. lol.

Now, I don't know about Bush not having an easy two years or 6, but I wouldn't bet my 40 acres or my mule on it. wink

-Jazhawk
So then why are people saying that military service is voluntary if all or most american young males are actually registered for the draft?
Selective service is a euphemism. Any young male could go to Iraq if Dubya deemed it necessary.

"I coulda freed thousands more if only they had known they were slaves..."

Harriet Tubman
Hi Negrospiritual,

Glad I can help (I'll answer your q in the other thread later, I have to troubleshoot my computer),

But joining the military is voluntary. No one is forced to go in right after high school, for example, and AFAIK, we didn't force anyone into the military in our last encounters. My brother, for example, is of age and was never called to Afghanistan. I don't know a single man who was (maybe I need to get out more if there were). We have better weapons now. At any rate, maybe this answers the question, but probably an army/navy/marine/air force website would be a better bet, so Selective Service debate continues. Basically, a lot of "people in the know" agree that a volunteer force is more professional than the other way. Don't know if that helps.
Yeah, I can't believe y'all left that back door open and let a Republican slide into the Governor's Mansion like that!! And a bunch of his friends too!!

Atlanta was the true definition of Chocolate City!! I was thinking about moving out there ... but now I think I'm just gonna sit back and watch a while!! LOL I already live in a Republican stronghold ... no use leaping from the frying pan into the fire!! big grin

Life as we know it is definitely about to change!
confederate flag?

The defining factor in the governor's race was to get a referendum on the flag issue. That campaign pledge bought out the extreme racist throughout this state.

There were reports of kkk in full robes actually campaigning for perdue in south georgia but that's what he's all about.

The bottom line is we are in very deep doo doo around here. With the kkk in the governor's seat, closet republicans now showing their true colors and changing to the party they should have aligned with all along, we have one hell of a road to challenge.

These next 4 years without a doubt should help wake up most of our slepping black folx!

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