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Reparations and Jesse Jackson's 'illegitimate children'

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Posted: April 5, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern



By Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson



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© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

"And so, my fellow Americans: Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country."

"”President John F. Kennedy


Reparations for slavery, another illegitimate offspring of has-been civil rights "leader" Jesse Jackson, have hit the news.

The fading and desperate Jackson, who for over 30 years has built a lucrative career on the backs of black Americans, has paved the way for some of his "offspring" to push for reparations, a plot that if hatched will destroy the black community and divide our whole country. Among Jackson's chief "descendants" are trial lawyer Johnnie Cochran, Harvard law professor Charles Ogletree, and Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., who, among others, have banded together on this unholy crusade.

Masterfully, they have performed the two tasks on Jackson's lifetime "To Do" list:


Indict contemporary white America for something of which it is not guilty.
Demand money, and lots of it.
I can almost see a single tear roll down Jackson's cheek.

For blacks who live in the most opportunity-rich country in human history to demand money for the sins of 140 years ago is absolutely shameful. For white Americans or any Americans – many of whose ancestors weren't even in this country at the time of slavery – to pay reparations is a deep injustice.

A closer look at reparations shows it to be a divisive and evil plot. It is only the latest in a long list of ploys by the modern-day black civil rights movement to control the black community and divide the races. First of all, very few whites even owned black slaves, yet the reparations movement indicts all whites by virtue of their skin color. If this isn't racist, what is?

Second, the debt of slavery has already been paid through a major war. For all those in failing public schools, I am referring to the Civil War, where many, many whites died so blacks could be free.

Third, blacks benefited enormously from American slavery. I have often said that I thank God that my ancestors were taken to America in boats. Had this not happened, I could be in South Africa right now with Nelson Mandela, and really be in trouble.

America has granted every wish of black Americans. It has made government the head of the black family; it has integrated the schools and neighborhoods; it has given blacks welfare and affirmative action; it has even apologized through Bill Clinton. There is simply nothing else that America can or should do. Blacks should feel fortunate to be citizens of this country. We are blessed, not enslaved, and those who say otherwise are enslaved only by their own hatred.

As President Kennedy might say if he were alive today, "When will blacks seek to give back to this great land instead of seeking for ways to loot it?"

The effect of reparations would be among the most devastating the country and the black community have ever experienced. There would be hell to pay – we would see an unparalleled backlash. Whites and blacks would be divided like never before. But you don't hear Jesse Jackson ever talk about this inevitable catastrophe – and he's supposed to be a leader with the well-being of black Americans first in his mind.

This shows that Jackson and his "children" are not striving for blacks' well-being, but for personal gain. I don't believe for a minute that average blacks would actually get money earmarked for reparations. The money would likely go to Jackson, Cochran, many of the black preachers and others and would stay with them and their interests.

Just as money that is given to supposedly "rebuild" black communities after they've been burned down by blacks in riots (read "justified civil uprisings" if you're Maxine "No justice, no peace!" Waters) this cash would likely be distributed no further than from these "leaders'" right pockets to their left.

I must say that I don't believe reparations will end up being paid out. Most whites don't want to pay money for something they're not guilty of, and 30 percent of blacks have sense enough to see through this nonsense. But the very fact that we are seriously allowing this ridiculous debate is itself divisive and inflammatory.

It is time that all Americans of goodwill stand up and say "No more!" A veil of darkness is descending upon our nation, and Jackson and his "legacy" are proponents of this evil. We must refuse to stand by and let these thugs in three-piece suits lead our country to hell.

Unless we want to see division like never before, and the utter destruction of the black community, we must stop reparations now.

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DAMN, just WHO LOOTED/CLAIMED AS THEIR OWN this WHOLE country? It sure wasn't "Black folks"! In fact, WE were LOOTED from OUR OWN CONTINENT. So what if Jesse had a baby out of wedlock. So did ole MASSA. Chit, he SOLD his babies IN SLAVERY. WE'RE THEM!! Stupid Article. Stick up for the WHITE man Rev. Patterson, while HE CONTINUOUSLY sticks YOU. He ain't got no LOVE FOR YA; shows ya EVERY DAY of your AFRICAN LIFE.
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When looking up the defintion of 'fool', surely it will carry a picture of this personification.

Talk about too dumb to live!!!!

And to think, this is somebody's 'pastor'.
Yeah, he showed how big of a fool he was/is in his opening statement:

Reparations for slavery, another illegitimate offspring of has-been civil rights "leader" Jesse Jackson, have hit the news.

Yeah... ummm... Jesse's the impetus and chief organizer of the Reparations Movement. It's his brain child, alright. (*end sarcasm*)
Yeah... ummm... Jesse's the impetus and chief organizer of the Reparations Movement. It's his brain child, alright. (*end sarcasm*)---Nmaginate

This is a great example of what happens when those in power let an iniative get out. The power broker gets the credit. Please know I am not saying Jesse did that. But...somehow it is what happens.

Jesse is all this pastor remembers, or knows.

I don't have the man's name on the tip of my tongue, but he shouted for a reparations initiatve for several years and no one listened.

When the biggies saw he was beginning to get an audience.....

The man lives in Detroit.

I think.

Disparaging words always make news when it is against us.


PEACE

Jim Chester
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Reparations for slavery will not happen.
And your opinion or that possibility is relevant? HOW?


....not opinion but fact. In many instances Black people have contributed to their own enslavement, to which Black people in positions of authority must be held accountable for the part they have played in destroying the Black community.

Furthermore, the primary businesses in the inner-city are designed to oppress Black people.

Legal business establishments

A. Mortuary Businesses- The owners being the Black middle class, to which the profits derived from the business enable their family to escape the wrath of living in the "Hood". No lack of prospects for business considering the number of Black people being buried daily due to Black on Black criminal activity.

B. Liquor Stores- usually owned and run by Koreans, Arabs, or Hispanics.

C. Drug rehab and half way houses.- owned by private contractors of every ethnic group, but financed by the government.

D. The using Religious Doctrine to Pimp the Black community beyond reason business- Small or Large churches owned and operated by Black preachers.

E. Foster care, group homes, etc.- owned and operated by outsiders be it Black, Caucasian, or otherwise, financed by the U.S. goverment to break-up the Black family for profit. Another avenue that enables Black people who are a part of this activity to live as far away from the "Ghetto" as possible.

F. "Killer King/Butcher King Hospital(s)- Run by Black adminstrators, and Black doctors, but financed by the government. The perfect legalizing the killing of Black people through blatant malpractice, that goes on until the City or County jurisdiction of Killer King/Butcher King Hospital(s), are sued for damages by the victims and/or the victims legal attorneys.


G. The Policing and Penal Incarceration business for profit, government financed and/or privately owned.

H. Fast food outlets- Usually owned by outsiders, most of the employees being hispanic immigrants.

I. Nail parlors, beauty supply stores, and swap meets that cater to Black people, Black people being the spenders, and the owners being Korean. Koreans, etc., are making a financial killing off of our own ignorance, or unwillingness to work together as a people.

J. Beauty shops, barber shops- owned by Black barbers and beauticians.

K. Automobile "Chop Shops" some legitimate, some fraudulent.- owned by Koreans and Hispanics.

L. Mental Health centers and Abortion clinics- Privately run and/or government owned, but financed by taxpayers.

M. Nix Check cashing, or other check cashing outlets that charge excorbitant fees for cashing checks.- Privately owned, the owners having absolutely no connection to the Black community other than making a financial killing by charging excorbitant fees for cashing checks.

N. Etc.

The illegitimate businesses

O. Drug dealing- Very profitable

P. Car Jacking, Armed Robbery, burglary, grand theft, etc., of anyone presumed to have anything, which drives anyone who can afford to get out of the neighborhood, out of the hood.

Q. Prositutiion, illegally gambling, Con games- Can be very profitable for the ring leaders.

R. Fencing of stolen goods.

S. Etc.

Mind you, Magic Johnson Enterprises, such as Magic's theatre chain, Fridays, etc., are on the borderline between subburbia and the "Hood". It would not be unusual to find a police station within close proximity, because the key individuals calling the shots are Caucasian. Access to a policing authority minimizes the chance of Caucasians losing their investment.

Heck, Magic Johnson is not his own man. Caucasians are his behind the scenes business managers. Slim chance exists that a Magic Johnson who spent his youth or adult life dribbling and refining the art of shooting "Hoops", can compete on par with Caucasians, or otherwise, who spent their youth, or young adult life studying accounting, finance, economics, and business development.

I would truly believe that Magic Johnson is the shot caller, if a Friday's, a Magic Johnson Theatre, or something truly original that Black people initiate and control, is placed in the "heart of the inner-city", to which Black people are the accountants, financial advisors, legal advisors, CEOs, CFOs, etc.

Surely with all the university educated Black people that exist today, a Magic Johnson, an Oprah Winfrey, etc., would take a chance on true investment within the Black community as opposed to being controlled by Caucasians.

This leads me to believe that these individuals do not truly control their assets, or if they do, the goal is to invest in the subburbs takes precedence over any form of business investment within the "inner-city".

Mind you, the masses, as applied to Black people, live in the "hood" and not the "Burbs". Business opportunity to which inner-city residents have a vested interest, would be a strong deterent to stop outside interests, and/or elitist self serving Black people, from soaking the Black community of its' assets, and/or from reducing the destiny of Black America to self inflicted servitude.

Generally, when the residents have a stake in the community:

1. The importance of the Black family structure is enhanced as opposed to creating a safe haven for abuse of the system to provide AFDC benefits, welfare, etc., to the greedy, at the expense of the traditional Black family structure.

2. The crime rate drops.

3. Unemployment is reduced.

4. A community is safer.

5. Residents make it a high priority to obey the law.

6. A community would be more conducive to providing educational opportunities, or otherwise for its residents. Can't have progress when criminal activity, high unemployment, heavy penal incarceration, and/or blatant disregard for the rights of the law abiding citizen to "Liberty and Justice for All" or "Unequal Justice and Protection Under the Law" are very pervasive.

7. A community looks out for its own best interest, be it the citizen, a police officer, a lawyer, a business owner, a newspaper publisher, an elected official, or otherwise.

8. The need to saturate the Black community with policing authorities, or the need to incarcerate Black people would be reduced.

9. Private and public hospitals, with competent doctors, nurses, and hospital administrators would drastically reduce the possibility of having another Killer/Butcher King County Hospital.

10. Support from the entire community would make government respect its' own laws. When goverment violates the rights of the law abiding or otherwise, slim chance that a Rampart Scancal, or other serious violation of the rights of the citizen will take place without "just compensation".

Instead of the game-playing-having-an-elitist-self-serving-mindset, and siding with the perpetrators, as it applies to the present actions on the part of our own elected Black leaders, Black lawyers, no good preachers, fake community activists, etc., a truly competent lawyer, or elected leader, clergyman, or otherwise, would use their position of influence to seek redress in behalf of the oppressed for monetary damages. This is yet one other avenue of acquiring legitimate revenue, revenue that is truly needed in the Black community to move our community forward.

Mind you, the police officers who patrol the inner-city seldom live in the neighborhood. Saturating the inner-city with policing authorities and/or excessive penal incarceration of Black people benefits every other community but the Black community.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Thank you for not answering my question.

What you call "fact" is opinion. Unless you're god, you don't have to power to predict what will happen. Just because you feel strongly about something and have reasons to believe certain things won't happen doesn't mean that they won't. In this case you have not presented anything that's factually relevant to your claim.

In fact, nothing in your diatribe even began to say why Reparations won't happen. Saying things like "In many instances Black people have contributed to their own enslavement..." and things that follow from it don't tell me one damn thing about how you figure Reparations won't happen.
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Thank you for not answering my question.

What you call "fact" is opinion. Unless you're god, you don't have to power to predict what will happen. Just because you feel strongly about something and have reasons to believe certain things won't happen doesn't mean that they won't. In this case you have not presented anything that's factually relevant to your claim.

In fact, nothing in your diatribe even began to say why Reparations won't happen. Saying things like "In many instances Black people have contributed to their own enslavement..." and things that follow from it don't tell me one damn thing about how you figure Reparations won't happen. by Nmaginate


...Be it my personal opinion or facts to the contrary, reparations for slavery will not happen! With respect to the "Great Almighty God", God backs those who help themselves.

I'm not going to waste my time asking "God" to support any reparations for slavery movement, a movement that is not even a remote possibility.

...."my diatribe", as you call it, if acted upon, on the otherhand can become a reality!

Dream on, but reparations for slavery will not happen! Reparations for slavery is not a possibility, period, period, period.

... and Norland, or anyone else of similar mindset who says "Shut up Horowitz", is not going to bring about reparations for the slavery.

The majority of the voting public will have to agree before so much as a dime of the public's money is used to pay for reparations for slavery!


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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...Be it my personal opinion or facts to the contrary, reparations for slavery will not happen! With respect to the "Great Almighty God", God backs those who help themselves.

In other words, you said some unfounded or rather unproveable BULLSHIT and you know it. Now you're trying to get god's help for your off-the-point ass!
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...Be it my personal opinion or facts to the contrary, reparations for slavery will not happen! With respect to the "Great Almighty God", God backs those who help themselves.

In other words, you said some unfounded or rather unproveable BULLSHIT and you know it. Now you're trying to get god's help for your
off-the-point ass!by Nmaginate


.... as far as being unfounded and B.S. that is your opinion. The majority of U.S. taxpayers, one being me, will not support their tax dollars being used to pay off any claim of reparations for slavery.

Heck, I've already been forced to finance my own family's destruction through my own tax dollars being misused by the greedy, instead of the needy, within the community of Black America. It is no mystery, or unfounded allegation that deceitful Black foster care providers earn illicitly gained and undeserved income off of using another's family members to collect AFDC benefits.

Again, the abolishment of slavery was supposed to have ended the break-up of Black families for profit, and here you have Black people, be it foster parents, social workers, or administrators promoting this foolishness. There is nothing unfounded about this reality, because one of my sisters spent eighteen years of her life being passed around by deceitful Black preachers or female religious elders as if playing a game of musical chairs with Black children to collect AFDC benefits.

My other brothers and sisters, and I, spent three years being passed between deceitful individuals, to collect AFDC benefits.

Mind you neither my parents, or their offspring have been found to be criminal, insane,or unfit in any court jurisdiction within the U.S.

This reality being said, if any reparations are paid for slavery, Black people shall also be responsible for some of the payment.


....try, just try, to collect it, be it tomorrow, or one thousand years from now, unless Black people finance part of the payment, reparations for slavery will not happen.

Like Horowitz says, Black people have also contributed to the enslavement of Black people, be it North Africa, Black Africa, or the U.S. ......and that is a fact!

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......and that incompetent set of Black doctors, nurses, and hospital administrators at Killer/Butcher King will be held responsible for many Black patients, and/or otherwise, to whom they have been responsible for many unwarranted deaths, unwarranted deaths attributed to the gross incompetence of a nurse, and/or medical doctor.

......you are not going to protect your friends this time "Brentwood Burke", make no mistake these individuals will pay dearly for this activity.

...but then again, when Black people enslave other Black people or commit blatant malpractice violations at a Killer/King Hospital,.....then the taxpayers should bear the brunt of the responsibility, while these individuals walk free, or accept no responsibility for their wrong actions.

That is not going to happen. These individuals will be criminally indicted, fired, and/or will fill the ranks of an unemployment line, to which their actions contributed to their own demise.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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The majority of U.S. taxpayers, one being me, will not support their tax dollars being used to pay off any claim of reparations for slavery.
And that has what to do with whether Reparations will happen?

Last time I checked, taxpayers don't vote on what items their taxes go to, whether they're in the majority opinion or not. When was the last time public "support" was needed for a particular tax measure?

Name one issue or item that had to wait for taxpayer's approval before it was appropriated...
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The majority of U.S. taxpayers, one being me, will not support their tax dollars being used to pay off any claim of reparations for slavery.
And that has what to do with whether Reparations will happen?

Last time I checked, taxpayers don't vote on what items their taxes go to, whether they're in the majority opinion or not. When was the last time public "support" was needed for a particular tax measure?

Name one issue or item that had to wait for taxpayer's approval before it was appropriated...


...well any elected official who spends taxpayer's dollars without public approval, the benefit of a court decision, etc., risks being removed from political office.

Compensation of any form for reparations for slavery will have to be put before the American people.

It is very doubtful, that the U.S. Supreme Court will rule in favor of reparations being paid for slavery, unless all parties responsible for these atrocities are held accountable.

If Caucasians are to be the only party to be held responsible for slavery, while other perpetrators are not, some of the perpetrators being Black, slim chance exists that the U.S. Supreme Court will rule in favor of any court settlement for reparations being paid for slavery.

The perpetrators are dead. The slaves are dead. The exception being contemporary slavery of Black people; the enslavement that our own inept or incompetent elected leaders, foster care providers, lawyers, and/or judges perpetrate on the Black community. In these instances, it is possible to sue for damages, and win, "Big Time"!

Litigation for redress is currently in progress, be it a Butcher/King Hospital, a Lofton famly experience, a "Rampart Scandal", or otherwise.

With respect to Butcher/Killer-King, the Dalton Avenue LAPD Destruction to U.S. citizens property, etc., the sad thing is that the Los Angeles County, and/or the City of Los Angeles is getting off lightly by settling these claims before it hits the courts.

Few if any Black attorneys, will go to bat for Black people in these situations. The victims being Black are at the mercy of the government, or must wing it alone to seek redress. Far too many Black attorneys, our no good Black elected officials, social workers, and/or should be serving time in prison Black preachers, choose to serve the oppressors over serving the victim. Be it an "ambulance chasing Johhny Cochran", be it the greedy, or be it anyone of such incompetence that no one in their right mind would have them representing them. This keeps the Black community in poverty or begging for "useless, worthless, and selling your soul AFDC or welfare benefits".

Too many of our own leadership choose to substitute AFDC or welfare benefits as a means to appease the oppressed, because it gives them a lame excuse to do nothing, but look out for themselves and/or personal friends. These treasonous individuals choose to apply for welfare benefits for the oppressed.

Mind you the oppressed never asked these Black social workers, Black preachers, Black elected officials for social welfare benefits. Furthermore it would be foolish for anyone wronged by government to accept AFDC benefits or welfare, as a substitution for "Equal Justice and Protection Under Law", and/or "Just and Equitable Compensation" for the wrongs of a government seriously gone awry.

It is very doubtful, that any taxpayer, be it Caucasian, Black, Korean, Hispanic or otherwise, will accept financial responsibility in the form of being taxed, or penalized in any regard, to pay for reparations of slavery, activity to which they are not responsible for.

The courts are bound by law to rule on the facts as presented, and sworn in under oath to apply the laws accordingly, to which in the case of reparations for slavery, Caucasians are not the only perpetrators.

In the U.S. the people still control the government. Should any elected official, be it from the federal level in a President of the United States, to the local level in a city council member, spend taxpayer's dollars, to the tune of the millions that can be connected with any large public settlement, without the approval of the majority of the voting public, or the benefit of a court decision, then the official risks being removed from elected office, by any means necessary.

The people control all branches of government, be it judicial, executive, or legislative. The people have the power to remove an elected official from elected office, a judge from the bench, etc. It is the Black community that does not recognize this, which is the reason that so many misfits are kept in office in our community.

Maybe this is the problem! Far too many Black people do not have a clear understanding of the principles of government, the role government, and the government's responsibility to serve the people, first and foremost.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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...well any elected official who spends taxpayer's dollars without public approval, the benefit of a court decision, etc., risks being removed from political office.
Yeah, okay...
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Compensation of any form for reparations for slavery will have to be put before the American people.
Yeah, just like the measure granting Japanese Internment REPARATIONS. In fact, I remember the public voting poll lines were so long that day. lol
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It is very doubtful, that the U.S. Supreme Court will rule in favor of reparations being paid for slavery, unless all parties responsible for these atrocities are held accountable.
Well, this sort of defeats your argument about being removed from office. Last time I checked judges served for life. And the last time I checked, the American public didn't vote on the money spent for Iraqi Reconstruction or on the war itself even. Just like the American public rarely "votes" on major decisions.

You need to get some stuff straight.
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[QUOTE]...well any elected official who spends taxpayer's dollars without public approval, the benefit of a court decision, etc., risks being removed from political office.
Yeah, okay...
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Compensation of any form for reparations for slavery will have to be put before the American people.
Yeah, just like the measure granting Japanese Internment REPARATIONS. In fact, I remember the public voting poll lines were so long that day." by Nmaginate

Lol, well try to collect your reparations, Nmaginate. Be it today, or one thousand years from now it won't happen.

Reparations for the Japanese and reparation for slavery are not the same scenario. Many of the Japanese victims are still living.

The Japanese placed in concentration camps, or who had their property taken from them during WWII, had substantial evidence to prove their claims in property loss, or unwarranted penal incarceration.


Well Nmaginate, what evidence do you have in your possession to prove that you are due reparations for slavery?

Don't take too long answering because the correct answer would be nothing at all. You were not living when Black people were enslaved.


"It is very doubtful, that the U.S. Supreme Court will rule in favor of reparations being paid for slavery, unless all parties responsible for these atrocities are held accountable." by Michael Lofton

I might add, this is especially true since the majority of the judges of U.S. Supreme Court would make rulings that lean towards the right, meaning conservative.

"Well, this sort of defeats your argument about being removed from office. Last time I checked judges served for life. And the last time I checked, the American public didn't vote on the money spent for Iraqi Reconstruction or on the war itself even. Just like the American public rarely "votes" on major decisions." by Nmaginate

.....Last time I checked, and reality will support it, only U.S. Supreme Court justices hold the position for life. Respective County judges, be it Los Angeles County or otherwise are voted in by the people, and they can also be forced to step down by the people.

...Again be it judge, jury, executioner, elected official, etc., the people still rule.

Heck, President George Bush holds elected office because the majority of the voters, one being Michael Lofton, voted for him.

If the Nmaginates of the world, would not be blinded by their bigotted mindset, then it would be easy for them to see for themselves that President George Bush is doing an outstanding job in the White House.

Due to the Bush Administration, and the committment of the U.S. Armed forces, the people of Iraq "have freedoms they never had before" and the Iraqis are working dilligently toward establishing their own "Democratic Republic".

Heck, even Senator Ted Kennedy, who is as liberal as liberal can get, praised President George Bush on a job well done in Iraq!

.....More likely and to the point you need to get your stuff straight, and stop wasting your time trying to rebut me with information that has no factual basis!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Reparations for the Japanese and reparation for slavery are not the same scenario. Many of the Japanese victims are still living.
And what does that have to do with whether their Reparations were something Americans voted on. My bet is most Americans had no idea when the Japanese got Reparations and if given a chance to actually vote on it... Well, let's just say your little argument wouldn't necessarily translate into an affirming vote.

You can't even (as if you ever could) stay on the topic - i.e. address my questions. You keep hiding behind the old "It won't happen!" like it's a self-evident slogan but you can't put together a logical argument that shows how it won't.

So, I'll challenge you again with this:
Name one issue or item that had to wait for taxpayer's approval before it was appropriated...

You did says some irrelevant BS like this didn't you?
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The majority of U.S. taxpayers, one being me, will not support their tax dollars being used to pay off any claim of reparations for slavery.
Oh and BTW, thanks for showing your true colors once again. But I wait for you to tell me exactly how relevant WHITE popular support is for anything serious on the "racial" front.

Thou dost think too much of the importance of White Popular opinion. The two major events on the American Racial Fronterier - Emancipation & Civil Rights (and you can include Slavery itself) - didn't come about due to public support for ideas/programs. To the contrary, the majority of WHITES LIKE YOU were against those policies.

In other words, White Public Opinion is IRRELEVANT. They don't run nothing...

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Well Nmaginate, what evidence do you have in your possession to prove that you are due reparations for slavery?
You need to speak with some reference... This shit ain't personal so why the hell are you asking me about what I feel I'm due.

Typical dumbass WHITE-shit. I guess there must be a personal motivation, huh MICHAEL?

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You were not living when Black people were enslaved.
No shit Sherlocke! Damn... and to think this is something that's suppose to pass as intelligence.

Please THINK before you talk... I mean regurgitate.

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Lol, well try to collect your reparations, Nmaginate. Be it today, or one thousand years from now it won't happen.
I like dares... Let's you and me play! bsm

Bet I win! tongue
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I like dares... Let's you and me play!

Bet I win! by Nmaginate



.....Until you receive so much as a dime in reparations your argument is mute. Enough lip service, show me the money!

...and this movement for reparations is a "class action movement". In most every "class action lawsuit", the ring leaders, in trial lawyers, the greedy, the sleazy, the unentitled to any benefits for the wrongs of slavery, ......more so than the little guy or gal truly oppressed, ......will be the key beneficiaries of any class action settlement.

"Oh and BTW, thanks for showing your true colors once again. But I wait for you to tell me exactly how relevant WHITE popular support is for anything serious on the "racial" front." by Nmaginate

....Showing my colors, or otherwise has absolutely nothing to do with this. The taxpayers are not going to foot the bill to finance reparations for slavery! The U.S. government receives the bulk of its' revenue from taxpayers.

The taxpayers are individuals, organizations, and businesses. If the burden of payment is to fall on the taxpayers, one being yours truly, reparations for slavery will not happen, period, period, period. The taxpayers, one being me, shall not be held responsible for the damages or losses attributed to the wrongs of slavery.

If taxpayers are forced or threatened by government authorities to pay for something they should not be held responsible or liable for, the subsequent taxpayer revolt, protest, the rebellion, etc., that follows will make the Los Angeles Riots, of 1965, and 1992, seem like child's play!

The people still rule, and the Nmaginates, the slavery reparations advocates, are neither the voice of the people, or control the destiny of the taxpayers.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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.....Until you receive so much as a dime in reparations your argument is mute. Enough lip service, show me the money!
I thought you was trying to dare me personally or something as in let me try to collect Reparations from you. That would be fun. But just like everything else you got scared and want to change the subject.

Until ***you** receive...

What part of ain't personal don't you understand? Now, when you insert yourself and the pleasure of proving you wrong one-on-one... I can get personal like that from you. You know, just to see the look on your WHITE FACE.

But, it's been proven that your argument is moot. Everything you've said you've had to back away from or change. Your latest little nugget doesn't sound anything like the "FACT(s)" you proclaimed starting out here.

I guess if my intellectual firepower was a weak as yours I would make ridiculous, off-the-subject rants & diatribes too. Otherwise, it's just too hard for you to put a logic 1 & 2 together to form anything approaching a logical argument.

Retreat & Resort must be your motto.
Again, I don't see you poppin' off about FACT(s) again and idiotic BS about "the majority of U.S. taxpayers"...
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.....Until you receive so much as a dime in reparations your argument is mute. Enough lip service, show me the money!
I thought you was trying to dare me personally or something as in let me try to collect Reparations from you. That would be fun. But just like everything else you got scared and want to change the subject.

Until ***you** receive...

What part of ain't personal don't you understand? Now, when you insert yourself and the pleasure of proving you wrong one-on-one... I can get personal like that from you. You know, just to see the look on your WHITE FACE.

But, it's been proven that your argument is moot. Everything you've said you've had to back away from or change. Your latest little nugget doesn't sound anything like the "FACT(s)" you proclaimed starting out here.

I guess if my intellectual firepower was a weak as yours I would make ridiculous, off-the-subject rants & diatribes too. Otherwise, it's just too hard for you to put a logic 1 & 2 together to form anything approaching a logical argument.

Retreat & Resort must be your motto.
Again, I don't see you poppin' off about FACT(s) again and idiotic BS about "the majority of U.S. taxpayers"...


.....again show me the money!

Heck, other than "begging" the reparations advocates don't have enough ammunition in proof to hold private industry responsible for this, let alone attempting to hold taxpayer's responsible for a claim for damages that the taxpayers are not responsible for, as applied to reparations for slavery!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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Originally posted by Michael:

Heck, the reparations advocates don't have enough ammunition in proof to hold private industry responsible for this, let alone attempting to hold taxpayer's responsible for a claim for damages that the taxpayers are not responsible for reparations!
Keep thinking that. Just don't cry when it happens.

You show me exactly what's gonna stop the push for Reparations. It won't be Private Industry. It for damn sure won't be this mythological "tax payer" roadblock.

Again, the majority of Americans (tax payers or otherwise) and their opinions are IRRELEVANT. And there was a point in time where you could have said "show me the money/proof" when it came to Emanicipation or Civil Rights. And we both know how that turned out.

So keep saying silly shit.
Lord knows you can't compose a legitimate argument.
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
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Originally posted by Michael:

Heck, the reparations advocates don't have enough ammunition in proof to hold private industry responsible for this, let alone attempting to hold taxpayer's responsible for a claim for damages that the taxpayers are not responsible for reparations!
Keep thinking that. Just don't cry when it happens.

You show me exactly what's gonna stop the push for Reparations. It won't be Private Industry. It for damn sure won't be this mythological "tax payer" roadblock.

Again, the majority of Americans (tax payers or otherwise) and their opinions are IRRELEVANT. And there was a point in time where you could have said "show me the money/proof" when it came to Emanicipation or Civil Rights. And we both know how that turned out.

So keep saying silly shit.
Lord knows you can't compose a legitimate argument.


....but Nmaginate, the taxpayers, the government, and/or private industry are the source of payment. This is not silly because these are the individuals, or organizations that have the means to pay for this.

The Black community is the most poverty stricken, mis-represented, under-represented community in the U.S., meaning the Black community would not come close to being capable to pay for this.

If the money doesn't coming from taxpayers, and/or private industry, then you can forget it, because these are the groups that have the means to pay for this!

.....Oh but...... perhaps money and its equivalent fall from the branches of a tree,..... or perhaps if you beg for money long and hard enough your wish will be granted....

....Forget it. Unless the taxpayers, or private industry foot the bill, reparations for slavery will not happen, period, period, period. Unless the advocates of the reparations movement can show enough strong evidence as to:

A. Who is directly responsible and on what grounds!

B. How much is owed and on what basis!

C. Who are the victims, and/on what grounds.

D. What group of Black people are going to benefit from this, because even during the "Reconstruction Era" the entire Black population was not held in bondage.

Furthermore, just as surely as the sun shines, within the U.S., Black slavemasters owned and used the labor of Black slaves to promote their own self interests.

Private industry is not about to incriminate itself, to the point that the owners, or heirs of any large corporation will accept the huge financial burden of financial responsibility or otherwise for slavery.


...better to spend your time pursuing the possible as opposed to the highly unlikely.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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....but Nmaginate, the taxpayers, the government, and/or private industry are the source of payment. This is not silly because these are the individuals, or organizations that have the means to pay for this.
Trying to find another tangent, huh?

Again, put forth a list or even one piece of legislation that was held up for a taxpayer vote. Just one.

What? White people are gonna start a revolution when Black people are given their Reparations?

Well, that would be great!! Then the gig would be up. There would be no mistaken the degree of racism that still resides in the hearts and minds of these esteemed "taxpayers".

I have no problem with that possibility.

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...better to spend your time pursuing the possible as opposed to the highly unlikely.
I think you need to spend your time using Child Psychology on a child.

Silly... you've voiced your opinion and how you are against Reparations. Showing your WHITE (or White-like) colors. What the hell do you think your little advise is worth when its on a subject that you've shown your opposition to?

This is very silly. Again, I reference both the Emancipation and the Civil Rights Movement itself. Had people in those times took the attitude of "pursuing the possible", as you put it then I think it would be "highly unlikely" that things would be as they are.

Now say something relevant and material to the subject. Your little bullshit rants and 1st Grade level Psychology only speak to your impotence.
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A. Who is directly responsible and on what grounds!

B. How much is owed and on what basis!

C. Who are the victims, and/on what grounds.

D. What group of Black people are going to benefit from this, because even during the "Reconstruction Era" the entire Black population was not held in bondage.
Again, none of this is up to a vote or the approval of cynics and White People in general. All that needs to be known is THE DEBT IS OWED.

Worrying your poor little WHITE HEAD about details that don't concern you is like... NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, taxpayer or not.

Again, name one national item/policy/agenda/etc. that taxpayers vote on?

Seeing that the answer is NONE, Not A One then the Kangaroo Court scenario you're trying to concoct is seen for what it is. Utter BULLSHIT!

NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well again Nmaginate,

"Now say something relevant and material to the subject. Your little bullshit rants and 1st Grade level Psychology only speak to your impotence." by Nmaginate


"A. Who is directly responsible and on what grounds!

B. How much is owed and on what basis!

C. Who are the victims, and/on what grounds.

D. What group of Black people are going to benefit from this, because even during the "Reconstruction Era" the entire Black population was not held in bondage." by MLL

....be it first grade, second grade, a doctorate in political science, following in the footsteps of a pompous professor of pomposity, a running around town to gain fame like a no Good Reverend Jesse Jackson or Reverend Al Sharpton, my little bullish rants, 1st grade level psychology, a "Cow jumping over the Moon", creating my own self-inflicted migrain headache in my little Black head, pleading and begging, Tip Toeing through the Tulips, having Minister Louis Farakan and the N.O.I. as the enforcers, having successive "Million Man Marches for the next one hundred years, seeking guidance of "protest warriors", etc.

.....if the plaintiffs can't show good cause for receiving the money, in a well founded argument, neither the people, being the taxpayers, nor the judicial system are going to award any large settlement to address reparations for the wrongs of slavery.


....no matter how much you attempt to say otherwise, the money doesn't just appear out of thin air!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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Talk is cheap. I must presume,

"the descendents of the people who robbed, stole, and/or killed to obtain it. It's not rightfully theirs and we want it back.." by HeruStar

....are just going to give up and hand over their hard earned or deserved assets without fighting back right!

Mind you, the Black community is the most disorganized, unfaithful, self-destructive to their own survival community on the planet.

Heck, the Black reparations movement advocates who believe that they are going to overpower or take property from very powerful, very well organized, very well armed, and politically active Caucasian affluent communities, can't be serious.

More likely, the ring leaders of this reparations for slavery movement will have the little guy or gal taking the risks, all while the ring leaders of the movement consume Cognac, flirt with women, party, etc., while the little guy or gals meet and greet artillery shells, face penal incarceration, get killed or maimed, etc.

Heck, Black people by and large can't provide the necessities of life, in providing clean water, food, or clothing, for the Black community,.....but they expect to take from the Caucasian community that provides food, clothing, water, electricity, employment opportunities of all sorts to numerous U.S. citizens without regard to their ethnicity.

If this is what the advocates of any reparations movement for slavery think, in that corporate america and the owners thereof are push overs, who will give up their rights without contest, then those who believe this live in La La Land!

A basically disorganized self destructive Black community going up against any affluent organized Caucasian community, would be like "David" going up against Goliath, but instead, "David" gets slaughtered!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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Honestly Mike, why are you so anti-Reperations? Why are you so vehemently against blacks getting what's rightfully theirs? Why do you hold the White man in such high esteem? You say that we should focus on other issues, but obviously you are not concerned with problems in the black community because of all the ducking and dodging you've been doing in numerous posts.
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Originally posted by HeruStar:
Honestly Mike, why are you so anti-Reperations? Why are you so vehemently against blacks getting what's rightfully theirs? Why do you hold the White man in such high esteem? You say that we should focus on other issues, but obviously you are not concerned with problems in the black community because of all the ducking and dodging you've been doing in numerous posts.


It is not that I'm against reparations. The things that I have shared are things that must be done if those who seek reparations expect to win.

...Ignoring Michael Jackson's predicament, this would be an example of a formal complaint that will be accepted by the courts for redress. A claim using this format will have to be filed stating the specifics, in instances, the names, the parties, the violations, etc., to demand redress for slavery. Slim chance exists that Caucasian, or Corporate America will volunteer incriminating evidence to nail themselves to the cross! Heck it is certain that much of the information has been destroyed rather than leave an easy to follow paper trail that can be used in a claim against corporated America.

The claim, be it a claim for reparations or otherwise, the claim must be specific as to parties, the claim for redress, the specific reasons to justify your claim for redress, specific proven losses, and the reasonable amount expected to recover the loss incurred.

"Why are you so vehemently against blacks getting what's rightfully theirs? Why do you hold the White man in such high esteem? You say that we should focus on other issues, but obviously you are not concerned with problems in the black community because of all the ducking and dodging you've been doing in numerous posts."

.....will be ignored by the courts. A formal complaint must be filed by the plaintiffs, accepted by the court on its merit, before any legal remedy will be considered!

It is very doubtful, that any claim for redress will be settled without going through the normal legal process.

Unless ordered to do so by a valid court judgment, Corporate America, the affluent, any private citizen, etc., will resist parting with assets.

The amount of money that the reparations movement seeks will not be satisfied without proving the claim in court, without active political involvement of our own Black elected leadership, and/or the consent of the American people.

...and those who believe that assets held by Caucasians, and/or any other ethnicity, will be taken by the Black community through forceful means, will end up as dead as dead can get!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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That statement wasn't for the court it was for you. No one here has suggested taking anything forcefully. You haven't shared anything that we don't already know as far as contributions to the movement are concerned.

The only thing that you have suggested is that reperations is a moot argument. So don't even try to get on the fence now when you've clearly represented the other side.
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Originally posted by HeruStar:
That statement wasn't for the court it was for you. No one here has suggested taking anything forcefully. You haven't shared anything that we don't already know as far as contributions to the movement are concerned.

The only thing that you have suggested is that reperations is a moot argument. So don't even try to get on the fence now when you've clearly represented the other side.


....well HeruStar again, you miss the point. This civil complaint as referenced in the 1993 Michael Jackson case file, is an example of a formal complaint. Be it reparations, or any other loss, this would be an example of how to proceed. The circumstances for seeking reparations for slavery would be very different, but this is how it is done!

Without proof the result will be, "This ridiculous amount of money does not come anywhere near what that company owes us for the devastation they caused our ancestors and their descendants," said Antoinette Harrell-Miller, a noted Louisiana genealogist, New Orleans television personality, and organizer of the press conference. "They must pay us more," by Antoinette Harrell-Miller, a noted Louisiana genealogist

"That was my point in my first quote when this thread hit the board. They are 'getting ahead of the game' by offering an amount that 'sounds' impressive. To challenge that amount requires quantitative evidence of its inadequacy.

That's how the 'game' is played.

The next time the demand should be made with a dollar-value attached.

That is if the lesson is learned" Well said Jim Chester


....which means that corporate america is not obligated to pay so much as a dime, and the plaintiffs can't prove their claim for redress! Going to court is no game, you either play for keeps, meaning play to win, or don't proceed at all!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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....Again without proof, without supportive evidence about all that an individual, or group of individuals, can spend their time doing is:

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
maybe we shouldn't have been freed huh Lofton? I mean emancipation did nothing but cause the farmers to lose money huh? by Kevin41


....I only spend my wheels pursuing issues that I can prove, and reparations for slavery is not among the issues or causes that I can prove!

My time is way too valuable to spend my time in any merry-go-round conversation, such as:

"maybe we shouldn't have been freed huh Lofton? I mean emancipation did nothing but cause the farmers to lose money huh?" by Kevin41

Michael Lofton
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Michael LOFTON...

You've hardly ever proven anything here.
You can't prove Reparations won't happen. Everything you've said here I have debuncted for the sure Kangaroo insertions you've made.

One question I raised stands out since you hopped to the insertion what "taxpayers will not support":
Name one issue or item that had to wait for taxpayer's approval before it was appropriated...

Obviously, you inability to prove that [direct]taxpayer support is needed for appropriations shows you to be a fraud.
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You've hardly ever proven anything here.
You can't prove Reparations won't happen. Everything you've said here I have debuncted for the sure Kangaroo insertions you've made.

One question I raised stands out since you hopped to the insertion what "taxpayers will not support":
Name one issue or item that had to wait for taxpayer's approval before it was appropriated...

Obviously, you inability to prove that [direct]taxpayer support is needed for appropriations shows you to be a fraud. by Nmaginate


More likely, the reparations movement is a fraud, because again without proof it won't happen, be it taxpayer's support, the U.S. Congress, the U.S. Supreme Court or otherwise!
Well Nmaginate,

.....If I was fraudulent I would be serving time, or face being sued for my worth, for circulation of information that is not true, with respect to the names of the many elected Black leaders, and some of the preachers, to who I have branded as being worthless. The information that I have shared can also be validated by others. Thus who really fits the MO of being fraudulent!

....until the reparations advocates can come up with proof as to the names, the circumstances, etc., as opposed to begging Caucasians and/or Corporate America for restitution, the reparations movement amounts to nothing but fraud, unfounded allegations, because the reparation advocated haven't established the legal basis for their claims, etc.


"This ridiculous amount of money does not come anywhere near what that company owes us for the devastation they caused our ancestors and their descendants," said Antoinette Harrell-Miller, a noted Louisiana genealogist, New Orleans television personality, and organizer of the press conference. "They must pay us more," she said.

Louisiana reparations activists say they were never consulted on the decision to create the scholarship fund, and are concerned about where the funds will actually go. "This paternalistic approach to paying reparations is reminiscent of how Blacks were treated during slavery," says New Orleans attorney Pius Obioha, co-lead counsel in a federal class action case for slavery reparations pending against Bank One and 17 other corporations. Obioha and his co-lead counsel, Harry Cantrell will attend the press conference."

Jesse Jackson, etc., are a fraud, because plenty of information exists to prove this so.

Michael Jackson is a pedophile, and it is only a matter of weeks before he will end up paying out more of his assets, and/or face prison time.

You won't find Michael Lofton facing any jail time, or being sued for his worth for circulating false information, with respect to the many elected Black leaders, and preachers, to whom I have labeled as being misfits, criminal, treasonous, etc., because the information is indeed true!

If I'm fraudulent Nmaginate, or anyone else who chooses to make this unfounded allegation, I dare you to file a claim against me in court for being fraudulent. Heck, I'll give you all the time you need to build your case, and in the end, you won't have a leg to stand on to prove your unfounded assertion.


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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