My experiment with contacts is done.

Conclusion: I'm not going to do it.

One major drawback is that with the contacts my eyes need time to adjust when they focus from near to far and back again. With my astigmatism, the optometrist said that this should be considered "normal". But because it slows my photographic reflexes, that's something I just can't afford to be bothered with.
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Originally posted by Fabulous:
I don't understand why some people don't cover their mouth when they cough.

And some will even SNEEZE without covering their mouth. Eek OH. MY. GAWD! ek

I absolutely LOATHE this lack of consideration for others.


Amen, my sister. AMEN!! tfro
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
My experiment with contacts is done.

Conclusion: I'm not going to do it.

One major drawback is that with the contacts my eyes need time to adjust when they focus from near to far and back again. With my astigmatism, the optometrist said that this should be considered "normal". But because it slows my photographic reflexes, that's something I just can't afford to be bothered with.


Yes, I know this problem: it is one I had with my glasses when I was taking several photography courses. You could really tell in my pictures what the eyes were doing.

Maybe you have the wrong type of contacts? As I said before, I was fit with the CIBA vision and I KNOW my lenses were bigger given my eye size. One eye doctor contends that the contact lenses are the same, but I know mine weren't.

Also, I had to use my fingers to open the bottom lids of my eyes, insert the contact and then open the top lids to make sure the contacts were covered by those lids as well. After that, I got used to holding both lids open with my forefinger and thumb, then inserting the contacts, closing with the lids over them.

That was a DRAMATIC improvement over the glasses.

Finally, for the individual wondering about my previous contacts making the imprint: YES, they actually did that. It was explained to me that because the lenses were too small for my eyes, they were trying to cling to the eye too tightly. I also had lots of irritation because of this and they were NOT fit for astigmatism. Chalk it up to a shoddy eye doc at the time...which got corrected immediately...LOL.

"WIAW"
I'm hating ignorant, arrogant, self-centered, self-absorbed white people right now. I was spending a little time with friends of some of my white co-workers at a tiki bar last night. This white chick proceeds to run off at the mouth about how crazy jews are--ranting and raving while sitting right next to me was one of my co-workers who happened to be jewish. The guy just sat there in silence looking down. I mean how fucking insane that situation was. There I was the only black man socializing with a whole table of white people and the jewish guy is the one that gets the bashing.
Ma'at Hotep,

MAY GOD, THE CREATOR, BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. Consider yourself fortunate that a 'jew' was in your mist because usually it's the 'nigga' who gets blasted but hardly ever in person. I have no love nor hatred for the jews, who just happened to run the world in more ways than one. When you look at who runs the privately owned 'Federal Reserve Bank' and nearly all of the banks world wide, guess who owns them? And these same jews have no love for us; Afrikans world wide. Whenever there is a 'dispute' between white ethnic groups we Blacks should steer of them and take no position because in the end or final ananlyis, these same people become 'brothers/sisters under the skin' and join forces against us. I am not 'anti-jewish'. I'm just 'pro-Black'. The jews were also involved in the slave trade just like the 'other' european whites and the arabs. They (the jews) forcefully took over the so-called 'middle-east' (from the arabs) the same way their european brothern took over 'amerikkka' and Afrika.

I once worked in a company where there was only one jew and one Black. The one Black was me. The white folk in the company hated me more than they hated the jew. I was only hired to keep the NAACP off the comapny's back for not hiring Blacks. Once there was a message on a wall in the mens room: "guns for the arabs, sticks for the jews" and "ropes for the niggers". This was designed to break my spirit but it never did. I use to laught because not only did I think it was funny, I knew exactly who wrote it and I told him if ever a race riot broke out I would personally seek him out and take him out. He, at one time, told me how he use to throw Viet Cong "gooks' out of helicoptors to make them talk. He would laugh because he thought it was so funny; this cold blooded blue eyed blond haired murdering honkey. Gooks being Vietnamese of course. He really hated them although they had done nothing to him. I never liked this blond hair blue eyed european of german extract and ne never liked me. So, we kept our distance having never shared coffee or lunch together. We had a mutual understanding and dislike for one another. He was the one who penned the grafffiti on the wall in the mens room. He should have been fired but he wasn't.

In short, we Afrikans must not get involved with europeans and jews when they are at odds. Let them fight it out or settle their disputes the same way I did at the company I worked. The jew and I got along well. He, however, lived in a 'white neighborhood' while I, of course, lived in the hood. It was better that way. Hotep.

Olu Olufemi Chike
fro Wow brotha Carl Prather....that was deep. Why do you say that jews own the world banks? If that sooo true, why do they hide behind massa's apron when conflict emerges...i.e. between arabs/palestinians? Does this mean that despite ALL the money one may have....it is useless when it comes to RACE? If jewish folks ARE so powerful in the middle east, why is there STILL conflict there. I mean god did say, Israel is their promise land...yea right! And we all know that if it's written in that almighty never-wrong BIBLE...it must be trueRoll Eyes So I'm just curious with your stand on this. fro
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Originally posted by Carl Prather:
Ma'at Hotep,

MAY GOD, THE CREATOR, BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. Consider yourself fortunate that a 'jew' was in your mist because usually it's the 'nigga' who gets blasted but hardly ever in person. I have no love nor hatred for the jews, who just happened to run the world in more ways than one. When you look at who runs the privately owned 'Federal Reserve Bank' and nearly all of the banks world wide, guess who owns them? And these same jews have no love for us; Afrikans world wide. Whenever there is a 'dispute' between white ethnic groups we Blacks should steer of them and take no position because in the end or final ananlyis, these same people become 'brothers/sisters under the skin' and join forces against us. I am not 'anti-jewish'. I'm just 'pro-Black'. The jews were also involved in the slave trade just like the 'other' european whites and the arabs. They (the jews) forcefully took over the so-called 'middle-east' (from the arabs) the same way their european brothern took over 'amerikkka' and Afrika.


I understand what you are saying, but we must be careful 'how' we say it. Askenazim Zionists(Kazar/European converts to Judaism) are the people you are taking issue with. The Beta Israel(prejoritavley known as Falashas) are African/Ethiopian 'Jews' that I am sure you have no problem with. The Zionist/Imperialist state of Israel is culturally dominated by the Askenazim and they oppress the African Jews because they are African/Black and are not Talmudic.


Beta Israel protesting their treatment in Israel
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
fro Wow brotha Carl Prather....that was deep. Why do you say that jews own the world banks? If that sooo true, why do they hide behind massa's apron when conflict emerges...i.e. between arabs/palestinians? Does this mean that despite ALL the money one may have....it is useless when it comes to RACE? If jewish folks ARE so powerful in the middle east, why is there STILL conflict there. I mean god did say, Israel is their promise land...yea right! And we all know that if it's written in that almighty never-wrong BIBLE...it must be trueRoll Eyes So I'm just curious with your stand on this. fro


I know you asked brother Carl, but I couldn't resist.

The Federal Reserve is owned by a very small group of international bankers family(cartels). The Rothchilds are one... Askenazm Jews became involved in usury because in Fuedal Europe it was one of the few professions they were not banned from.

The Zionist Askenazm(European Jews) in occupied Palestine(Israel) are working as a Western colonial outpost in the region. Israel's colinization was funded(financially and with arms) by the Brittish and Amerikkka. Now, who is really the 'puppet master' is for you to decide. The fact that Israel even exists as an exclusively Jewish imperialist state(in a geopolitical sae of Arabs and Islam) is proof of their 'power'. Theodore Herzel, the father of Zionism was an atheist. So the misinterpreted scriptural justification for establishing Israel was complete BS. Before settling on Palestine, they strongly considered Uganda, Mozambique, and parts of South Amerikkka as possible locations for this 'homeland'. Also, Orthodox Jews are often vocally anti-Zionist because they believe literalizing "Israel" and "Zion" as a physical place in an attempt to excuse imperialism is a perversion of scripture.

The whole need for a homeland arrose as a result of the Nazi final solution. Interestingly, the international 'Jewish' bankers funded both sides of the war. They also funded the Russians(who persecuted Russian Jews) Now, why would powerful 'Jews' fund the persecution of their own people? For an excuse to colonize perhaps(not to mention make grand profit)? It's all quite diabolical. The people 'behind the scenes' are the real power players... and those are the ineternational banking cartels.

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
-Mayer Amschel Rothschild
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The so-called "anti-semitism" was practiced among the euro-jews as much if not more than from any other non-jew group.

There were 3 jew groups in europe: The sephardic and split between german from eastern european jews.

The sephardic were the aristocrats of the bunch and the first wave of jews to immigrate to the u.s., thanks to the spanish inquisition.

They looked down on the other groups, but as the other groups immigrated to the u.s. they took on that "...Enemy of an enemy is my friend" theme.

When Herzle, with is aristocratic acting behind, got his dose of reality -he then started his campaign -zionism.

If I recall correctly, the redshields (rothchilds) and other wealthy jews weren't interested in this zionist thing. They didn't wanna mess up "a good thing". Eventually, they got on the bandwagon.

For some, as Oshun Auset alluded to, saw it as being good for $$$$.

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Before settling on Palestine, they strongly considered Uganda, Mozambique, and parts of South Amerikkka as possible locations for this 'homeland'


There was a ship filled with jews trying to get away from en-pending doom called the 'st. louis'. This boat made some trips to cuba and amerikkka, but they got no love.
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Originally posted by Raptor:
2¢:

The so-called "anti-semitism" was practiced among the euro-jews as much if not more than from any other non-jew group.

There were 3 jew groups in europe: The sephardic and split between german from eastern european jews.


Question. Don't the Sephardim have 'real' genetic ties to actual ethnic 'Semetic Jewry'(Mizrahim),hence their appearance, while the Askenazim are strictly from the converted Khazar empire population(hence their appearance)?

Also, where do the Dagestani and Azerbaijani fit in? Are they a middle Eastern migration or the branch of the Khazar empire that didn't migrate into Northern and Eastern Europe?

I'm trying to remember...

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The sephardic were the aristocrats of the bunch and the first wave of jews to immigrate to the u.s., thanks to the spanish inquisition.

They looked down on the other groups, but as the other groups immigrated to the u.s. they took on that "...Enemy of an enemy is my friend" theme.


I have a question(looks like you can help me out)... I heard that the Sephardim dominated the Jewish Maffia and excluded the Ashkenazim from joining(or holding high office.. I can't remember which)? Is that true(and part of that aristocratic attitude you were referring to)?

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If I recall correctly, the redshields (rothchilds) and other wealthy jews weren't interested in this zionist thing. They didn't wanna mess up "a good thing". Eventually, they got on the bandwagon.

For some, as Oshun Auset alluded to, saw it as being good for $$$$.


Yup...

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There was a ship filled with jews trying to get away from en-pending doom called the 'st. louis'. This boat made some trips to cuba and amerikkka, but they got no love.


Wasn't that interesting? The U.S. wouldn't help them but then used them as an excuse to join the war...
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

Question. Don't the Sephardim have 'real' genetic ties to actual ethnic 'Semetic Jewry',(hence their appearance) while the Askenazim are strictly from the converted Kazar empire population(hence their appearance)?


I don't know with regard to the genetic ties. As for their appearance, well, remember the moors influence on iberia?

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I have a question(looks like you can help me out)... I heard that the Shephardim dominated the Jewish Maffia and excluded the Askenasim from joining(or holding high office.. I can't remember which)? Is that true(and part of that aristocratic attitude you were referring to)?


I haven't come across literature directly or explicitly speaking to the mafioso connections, but they did indeed hate on their jewish brethren of the ashkenaz ilk, which speaks in part to the booshy attitude of the sepharda.


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Wasn't that interesting? The U.S. wouldn't help them but then used them as an excuse to join the war...


Yeah and as a result, israel gets quasi-welfare checks from the u.s., us.

Which reminds me of a book, "They Dare To Speak Out", by Paul Findley, a former republican u.s. representative.

Hmm, I'll add it to firefly's 'eye out for books' list.
Ma'at Hotep Oshun Auset,

MAY GOD, THE CREATOR, BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. You are a very informed individual. The jews, do indeed, own the majority of the worlds banks. The rothchilds are just one of the jewish families who own and/or control the worlds monetary supply. They (the jews) did, indeed, bankroll the past two world wars and that's one of the reasons Hitler hated them so much. Alan Greenspan, a jew, was the head of the Federal Reserve Bank (a privately owned enterprise) as is the current head and as were the past heads. The jews in the so-called middle east were offered several Black Afrikan nations first for 'statehood' but opted for the Palestin's land as promised in a book they were instrumental in altering (the bible) which is full of nothing but the lies initiated at the first council of Nicesa (325 A.D.) by Constantine. The jews use a passage in the bible as a basis for taking the land of the Palestinians from them by force with the assistenance of both amerikkka and britian. The jews were not GOD's chosen people as they claim because we are. GOD did not promise them the land they stole from the Palestinians like their spanish (spain) allies did to the country of Mexico and their european allies did to the native amerikkkans (so-called indians) in this country. Why is israel called the 'state of israel' instead of the land or country of isreal? The reason is simple. Israel is considered the '51st state of amerikkka' but, of course, it is not spelled out by the amerikkkan government nor noted by the media or in books by amerikkka itself. But it is the 51st stste.

Amerikkka needed to conquer Iraq and then take over Iran and then on to take over Syria in order to control the so-called middle east and the major oil producing countries in the world. The rest they have in their pockets already. When they were allied with south afrika prior to Nelson Mandella taking over, amerikkka had israel on the northern part of Afrika and south africa on the southern tip of Afrika thereby controlling the continent of Afrika with them. Israel trained the south african armies and supplied them with arms. Remember, south afrika had 'the A-bomb' prior to Black South Afrikan's taking control of their own country. When this happened, amerikkka, with the assistenance of the united nations, ruled that South Afrika could no longer have the 'A-bomb' and forced them to dismantel their arsenal of atomic weapons. Strange don't ya think? The conflict in north Afrika will continue until amerikkka and their euro[pean allies control that part of the world entirely. They do, however, have a problem with China, which has a vested interest in Afrika and it's oil suopplies and mineral wealth and is a major trading partner with many Afrikan countries. You must have noted that almost everything being imported from China into amerikkka is 'tainted' in one way or another. From toys to tooth paste to the automobile China is trying to export to amerikkka which is a consumer friendly car that give exceptional gas milage. The funny thing about this is there are many amerikkkan owned or controlled companies in China. Now don't that tell you something?

The rothchilds, the mellons, the rubensteins, the carnegies, the rockefellers, the blumbergs, all jews and controllers of the money flow through out the world. There are many others who I cannot recall at the moment but they all are members of the Trilateral Commission, the Committee of 300, the Council on Foreign Relations, and board members of the Federal Reserve Bank (FRB). Since the FRB is not controlled by the amerikkkan government, then who controls the money and the flow of money in amerikkka? Certainly not the amerikkkan government itself. Who owns the largest banks in the world? What happened to the gold standard amerikkka use to be on and why is amerikkka no longer on the gold standard? And, with the advent of the new world order, these same people will control the world with their 'one world government' concept because they control the wealth of the world. They must get rid of millions of people first and we are at the top of the list.

There will be no borders for the rich and the super rich who will be able to move about freely. The borders will apply to the poor and the supper poor. One government governing the entire world and guess who will sit at the throne and be the power behing the throne? This is the agenda of the rich people of the world who control the majority of the wealth of the world and the jews sit at if not on the top. The jews will still control money the as they do now.

There is a reason for the 'world de-population growth' movement and guess who is the main target of this de-population growth movement which started with margaret sanger with her 'planned parenthood' movement? Ex-president jimmy carter and his secretary of state zbigniew brzezinski (a german jew who just happens to be the head of the Council of Foreign Relations) were instrumental with the de-population movement that includes AID's as an instrument for 'de-population'. AID's just happened to be discovered in a lab in south afrika by south afrikan scientist along with the assistenance of amerikkkan scientist which is documented. This is another means for aiding israel but you have to read between the lines or just watch the biggest enemy of Black people in amerikkka: CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, FOX, or read The Wall Street Journal, NY Times. Wash. Post, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, and many other media outlets who support the zionist state of israel and the party of rutherford b. hayes, abe lincoln and of course ronald raegan.

You speak of the Russian jews and why would a jew persecute a jew? It's all about the money. White folk have no aligence to one another when it comes to money. Just like gordon gecko spelled out in the movie 'wall street': there is no democracy, its the rich who rule the world and the poor who don't. White folk all agree on one thing: they must stop the nigga's no matter what. There is no secret that some powerful jews assisted Hilter and tha Nazi's during both world wars. As for the zionist, not all jews are zionist just the same as not all russians are communist. It's about self preservation. That's why some people become 'turn coats'or traitors against their own country and people. As amerikkka is killing thousands of the Iraqi people, why are some iraqi's supporting the very people that are killing their people? Why did some native amerikkkans assist the genocide of their own people? It's all about self preservation if not money. We have our share of 'uncle tom anglo-saxon jack and jill negro-bourgeoisie amerikkkan loving negros' who care little or nothing about their race. We are not a unique people after all. But we are striving to get there. Hotep

Olu Olufemi Chike
Ma'at Hotep,

MAY GOD, THE CREATOR, BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. I don't understand what you are referring to when you say "we have to be careful' when describing a jew. A jew is a jew just the same as an arab is an arab. If the person is Black, this person is an 'Afrikan' because they are of Black Afrikan heritage. Judaism in not, to me, a race of people as are we Afrikans. To me, jusism is a way of religious belief. A baptist, a methodist, a catholic or a COGIC member is still a 'christian' just like the askenazist or falashans are still jews. I can see no separation there. They are still jews. They still adhere to their jewish way of life and support their country against the arabs.

Religion is a european concept while African Consciousoness is a way of life. We Afrikans were not origionally christians nor muslims until our countries were invaded and conquered by both europeans and arabs. Our relationship with and understanding of GOD was entirely different from how we worship GOD, THE CREATOR, today. We were more spiritual and knowledgable about GOD, THE CREATOR, and the universe at large. We understand what the 'sun of GOD' is and not 'who the sun (son) of GOD is. We had a greater understanding of the earth and the creatures that inhabited it and lived in a 'clean' enviornment until the arabs and europeans disrupted the natural order of things by adding their filth and polution.

We, Afrikans world wide, have taken on the religion of the arabs, jews and christians while they are destroying our spiritual way of life and our relationship with the One True Living GOD, THE CREATOR. All three were involved in the slave trade of Black Afrikans. The christians and jews have murdered more people in the world than all of the rest of the people put together under the guise of religion. The europeans have poluted the world with their dipiction of moses and jesus: both of whom who never existed and cannot be proven they did. The same applies to noah, paul, john the baptist, mary, joseph, muhammad, elijah, samson, nor any of the rest of the so-called people in the christian bible and the muslim holy koran. There is no tangible evidence of their existenance. No 'physical' evidence that is. None is; never was and never will be. Just like the WMD"s; they did not exist. Please don't tell me what the 'bible' says and the 'holy koran' says. Written by mortal's for the sake of controlling the people in their region if not the world. Thats why there are so many different versions of both the bible and holy koran. Each designed to support the needs of those in power at the time. The mormans have their own bible the same as the catholics.

In short, what I am saying still applies. A jew is a jew no matter what their 'ethnetic' jewish background is. I rest my case. Hotep.

Olu Olufemi Chike.
Ma'at Hotep Kocolicious,

MAY GOD, THE CREATOR, BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. The power lies behind the throne, not on the throne. George bush is not the power, the military-industrail complex is the real power. As for israel, the power being amerikkka and the throne being israel. Amerikkka uses isreal to control that region of the so-called middle east. It's not that israel is hidding behind 'messa's apron' as you put it. Amerikkka uses israel as a jumping off post should any conflict occur in that region and, again, to conttrol that region. When the so-called six-day-war war between Egypt and isreal occurred, who do you think amerikkka supplied with arms and intelligenance? And why do you think they did? All while israel was supplying apartheid south africa, their ally, with training and arms. They also gave the A-bomb technology to south africa which has since been taken from them since Black South Afrikans took control of their own country. Taken by amerikkka with the assistenance of those european and some asians who control the united nations don't cha know. Now, only europeans, jews, india and pakistine have the bomb. All amerikkkan allies. Oh yea, China and Russia too.

amerikkka needs israel because they are the true 'bankers' of the world. They have a knack for making money. Look at the many, many businesses they control not only in amerikkka but through out the world. They controll the amerikkkan and british news media's who are wholly owned by the Federal Reserve Bank which is controlled by jews. Wall Street would not be wall street if not for the jews. They make more money off xmas, thanksgiving, easter, the 4th, valentine's day, sweetest day than any other group of people in the world. They don't, however, celebrate these holidays opting to celebrate their own jewish holidays. Thats fine with me because I don't celebrate them either. They are in it for the money. They are also very nationalistic, being allied to their so-called mother country of israel over the host country in which they reside.

White folk want Black folk and the world to forget the what happened to our race during slavery but they want the world to remember the so-called jewish holocaust. What happened to the jews can never be compared to what happened to our people. The jews lost six to seven million (6 to 7) people while we lost over one hundred (100) millions. The russians lost over twenty six (26) million people during the second world war. Not all jews were involved in holocaust which lasted no more than ten (10) years. What happened to our people lasted over four (4) hundred years and is still happening today although cloaked with various admendments to their constitution. We, Afrikans through out the world, should learn to be the same way. Unity amoungst our people world wide is the only way to survive what the europeans have in store for us throught their de-population growth programs. They know us better than we know ourselves. Why else would they want to rid the world of us. They did a job on the native amerikans (indians) and now it is us they have their genicidal eyes one. We must be the ultimate prize. Hotep.

Olu Olufemi Chike.
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Originally posted by Carl Prather:
Ma'at Hotep,

MAY GOD, THE CREATOR, BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. I don't understand what you are referring to when you say "we have to be careful' when describing a jew. A jew is a jew just the same as an arab is an arab. If the person is Black, this person is an 'Afrikan' because they are of Black Afrikan heritage. Judaism in not, to me, a race of people as are we Afrikans. To me, jusism is a way of religious belief. A baptist, a methodist, a catholic or a COGIC member is still a 'christian' just like the askenazist or falashans are still jews. I can see no separation there. They are still jews. They still adhere to their jewish way of life and support their country against the arabs...

In short, what I am saying still applies. A jew is a jew no matter what their 'ethnetic' jewish background is. I rest my case. Hotep.

Olu Olufemi Chike.


What I meant was that the Beta Israel are persecuted in Israel(like we are in Amerikkka). They no more should be blamed for the actions of the Zionist state of occupied Palestine than Africans in Amerikkka should be blamed for the Amerikkkan governments actions. They are not the ones that hold power like the Askenazim Zionists who own run international banking cartels. Therefore IMO they shouldn't be lumped in with the ciriticism of 'Jews'.
Ma'at Hotep Oslun Auset,

MAY GOD, THE CREATOR, BE WITH YOUL ALWAYS. Perhaps I am a bit confused. Are you saying that one group of jews is persecuting another group of jews or you speaking of jews in general? What I am asking is: are you saying that the people being persecuted by the zionist are not jews or are they? In amerikkka, Blacks of Afrikan descent are not amerikkkans by virture of being admended to the constitution, which can be repealed anytime the european community in amerikkka decides to or has the power to do so. I cannot understand how one can seperate one group of people from another group if they are the same people. Like the Suni and Shiites of Iraq. They are still Iraqi's. There are many types of apples and oranges yet they are still considered apples and oranges. A jew is a jew just the same as an anglo-saxon is an anglo-saxon. Perhaps the jews are all lumped in the same group like we Afrikans in amerikkka are: our ancestors came from differents parts of Afrika but their ethnetic purity was destroyed when they were enslaved and mixed and bred like horses or dogs.

I don't know the difference between the Beta jews and the Askenazim jews no more than I know the difference between the Suni and Shiite arabs in Iraq. Just like the average person in amerikkka lump all asians the in the same group. It would be gratifying if we Afrikans could be distinguished one from another but that's impossible because what happened to us. I am not the least bit interested in the difference in the jewish or arab populations. It is, of course, good to know that there is a difference if only educational purposes only. The jews and the arabs have no love for my people and each is united when it comes to us. My interest lies in the freedom and equality of Black Afrikans world wide. Let the jews and the arabs fight their own battles because GOD knows we have to fight our own. The jews, no matter whether they are Beta or askeniaim have one thing in commmon: they are united against the world including amerikkka. They lied their way into the christian bible and made themselves GOD's chosen people. If you don't believe it go to google and type in the protocol of zion and read it for yourself.
Hotep.

Olu Olufemi Chike
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Originally posted by Carl Prather:
Ma'at Hotep Oslun Auset,

MAY GOD, THE CREATOR, BE WITH YOUL ALWAYS. Perhaps I am a bit confused. Are you saying that one group of jews is persecuting another group of jews or you speaking of jews in general?


White Jews are persecuting Black Jews.

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What I am asking is: are you saying that the people being persecuted by the zionist are not jews or are they?


White Khazar empire converts to Judaism(the Askenasim) economically, culturally, and socially dominate Zionism. They persecute African Ethiopians that are Jewish.

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In amerikkka, Blacks of Afrikan descent are not amerikkkans by virture of being admended to the constitution, which can be repealed anytime the european community in amerikkka decides to or has the power to do so.


Same goes for the Ethiopian(Black African) Jews pictured above.

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I cannot understand how one can seperate one group of people from another group if they are the same people.


They aren't the same people. They have a shared religion.

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Like the Suni and Shiites of Iraq. They are still Iraqi's. There are many types of apples and oranges yet they are still considered apples and oranges.


Youi man they are still 'Arab'. Suni and Shiites are both ethnically the same Arabs that practice different forms of the same religion(inside and outside of Iraq) Beta Israel(Ethiopian Jews) are ethnically a different people than the Askenasim Jews, they just happen to also practice a different form of the same religion.

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A jew is a jew just the same as an anglo-saxon is an anglo-saxon.


That's not accurate. Jewery is not an ethnicity. It is a religion.

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Perhaps the jews are all lumped in the same group like we Afrikans in amerikkka are: our ancestors came from differents parts of Afrika but their ethnetic purity was destroyed when they were enslaved and mixed and bred like horses or dogs.


No, their different intra-religious ethnic purities remain very much intact. Hence there are differences like this...



Ethiopian Jews/Beta Israel(Black African) vs. Askenazim Jews(White of Eastern European descent)

Jewry, like you stated is a religion... but it is not an 'ethnicity'. What I am stating is that is inaccurate to 'lump all Jews together' because they do not consider themselves all the same, or treat each other as such, and/or all share the same power dynamics within Israel or globally. Therefore when saying the 'Jews' are exploiting people globally, you are only really talking about a specific ethnic group of jews that culturally dominate Israel(and therefore all other Jews).

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I don't know the difference between the Beta jews and the Askenazim jews no more than I know the difference between the Suni and Shiite arabs in Iraq.


I hope I explained the difference. The Sunni and Shiite are the same race and religion. The Beta Israel and the Askenazim are the same religion, but not the same race.

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Just like the average person in amerikkka lump all asians the in the same group. It would be gratifying if we Afrikans could be distinguished one from another but that's impossible because what happened to us.


But we can distinguish ourselves from the EUropeans/Whites in Amerikkka and they distinguish us as different from them also, and opppress/exploit us based on this racial difference. The same goes for the Ethiopian jews in Israel.

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I am not the least bit interested in the difference in the jewish or arab populations.


Judaism and Islam are religions that different races of peopel practice..

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It is, of course, good to know that there is a difference if only educational purposes only. The jews and the arabs have no love for my people and each is united when it comes to us.[/quoite]

Not the Black African Ethiopian Jews.

[quote]My interest lies in the freedom and equality of Black Afrikans world wide.


Reguardless of religion right? I'm no fan of the Abrahamic religions, but Africans practice them too...

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Let the jews and the arabs fight their own battles because GOD knows we have to fight our own. The jews, no matter whether they are Beta or askeniaim have one thing in commmon: they are united against the world including amerikkka. They lied their way into the christian bible and made themselves GOD's chosen people. If you don't believe it go to google and type in the protocol of zion and read it for yourself.
Hotep.


I know all about it...
The Jews I am talking about(and that are pictured above) ARE BLACK AFRICANS. That's the point, they are not Arabs, they are not European Jews... They are not against us. They are our BLACK AFRICAN BROTHERS...That's the point I'm trying to make.

The Beta Israel are Ethiopian Jews who were imported to Israel by the government because they European Askenazim wanted it to appear that they aren't racist against 'Black Jews'... Yet when they landed, because they are not Talmudic(and are of another race), they were forced to 'prick' themselves again to prove circumcission(sommething no other ethnic group was forced to do) They have the lowest standard of living of anyone in Israel except the Palestinians. You are thinking of Jews as one people, one racial group. I'm trying to explain that they are not... Just like X-ians are not one race of people.


FYI, Another Beta Israel(Falasha)... Dr. Yosef A.A. ben-Jochannan

http://www.africawithin.com/jochannan/dr_ben.htm

Dr. Yosef A. A. Ben-Jochannan, affectionately known as "Dr. Ben" was born December 31, 1918, to an Afro-Puerto Rican mother and an Ethiopian father in what is known as the "Falasha"(Beta Israel) Hebrew community in Gondar, Ethiopia.

Dr. Ben's formal education began in Puerto Rico. His early education continued in The Virgin Islands and in Brazil, where he attended elementary and secondary school. Dr. Ben earned a B.S. degree in Civil Engineering at the university of Puerto Rico, and a Master's degree in Architectural Engineering from the University of Havana, Cuba. He received doctorial degrees in Cultural Anthropology and Moorish History, from the University of Havana and the University of Barcelona Spain.

Dr. Ben was adjunct professor at Cornell University, Ithaca, New York, for over a decade (1976–1987). He has written and published over forty-nine books and papers, revealing much of the information unearthed while he was in Egypt. Two of his better known works include, Black Man of the Nile and His Family and Africa: Mother of Major Western Religions.

In 1939, shortly after receiving his undergraduate degree, Dr. Ben's father sent him to Egypt to study first hand the ancient history of African People. Since 1941, Dr. Ben has been to Egypt at least twice a year. He began leading educational tours to Egypt in 1946. When asked why he began the tours, he replied "because no one knew or cared about Egypt and most believed Egypt was not in Africa." According to Dr. Ben, Egypt is the place to go to learn the fundamentals of living. Over five decades have passed and Dr. Ben, a preeminent scholar and Egyptologist, remains focused on Nile Valley Civilization.

Dr. Ben is a 360˚ Mason of The Craft.
Ma'at Hotep Asun Onset,

MAY GOD, THE CREATOR BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. The problem with you arugument is we, Afrikans, originally were not a 'religious people'. We were a people whose relationlship with THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD, had nothing to do with religion. Religion is a european concept. The Ethopians were Afrikan Consciousness people who had a spiritual relation with GOD. The jews are the new kids on the block. They have lied about their exodus out of Egypt where they were never enslaved. They lied about the holocaust. They lied about moses and the rest of the biblical clan. We, Afrikans, were GOD Conscious people when they, the europeans, were still crawling around in the caves of the caucasus mountainss of eastern europe and western Asia. When the europeans invaded Afrika, including Ethopia wich predated Egypt, one of the first things they did was to insert their religion on a people who had absolutely no concept of what religion, any religion, was about. In doing so they destroyed any and all aspects of they way Afrikans truly worshiped GOD. They made laws that outlawed the Afrikans way of worship to included death to those who did not adhere to their religious principals.

The jews inserted themselves into the lives of the Ethopians and then came the Romans. During WW2 Italy invaded Ethopia once again and murderded thousands of it's people while the Pope was making hail-marys. After the Romans came the Arabs. Then came the dreaded christians who are the scum of the earth. This is a religion of murder and destruction. The only reason Afrikans are displaced is due to the religions of europeans, jews and arabs. We, the dispora, will someday reclaim our land albeit not in a hundred lifetimes. But, because of our Ancesotors and GOD, THE CREATOR, we will, someday, reclaim our land. As for the jews, they know what they've done to us. They were a part of the slave trade.

You may note that I am not a person of religion because of my love of the true and living GOD, THE CREATOR. Religion is a control mechanism used as a device to make tranquil a people in order that they can be lead like lambs to the slaughter. They did it to the native amerikkkans when they put up their jesus who they said was the son (instead of the 'sun') of GOD and they (the dispora) where treated like children. They used religion in Afrika by selling this trash to the Afrikans then took their land and left them with their lying bible. They even used the good ship 'jesus' piloted by captain john hawkins as a slave ship. Our people, who were a peaceful people, should have know something was amiss when they were being transported on the ship 'jesus'. They used their religion to take over Egypt which is run today by their desendants who are not Afrikan but of a mixed breed. The same is true of Mexico where Montazuma was a Black man who was slain by the Spanish Conquistadors. The Consquistadors (who mixed with the Black race of Mexico) descendents are the Mexicans of today. Religion, religion, religion. The most diabolical entity used against Afrikans from the advent of religion. You know it and I know it. As for the jews, they are just another form of the european brotherhood. Hotep.

Olu Olufemi Chike
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Originally posted by Carl Prather:
Ma'at Hotep Asun Onset,

MAY GOD, THE CREATOR BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. The problem with you arugument is we, Afrikans, originally were not a 'religious people'. We were a people whose relationlship with THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD, had nothing to do with religion. Religion is a european concept. The Ethopians were Afrikan Consciousness people who had a spiritual relation with GOD. The jews are the new kids on the block. They have lied about their exodus out of Egypt where they were never enslaved. They lied about the holocaust. They lied about moses and the rest of the biblical clan. We, Afrikans, were GOD Conscious people when they, the europeans, were still crawling around in the caves of the caucasus mountainss of eastern europe and western Asia. When the europeans invaded Afrika, including Ethopia wich predated Egypt, one of the first things they did was to insert their religion on a people who had absolutely no concept of what religion, any religion, was about. In doing so they destroyed any and all aspects of they way Afrikans truly worshiped GOD. They made laws that outlawed the Afrikans way of worship to included death to those who did not adhere to their religious principals.


What does any of this have to do with what i said? I agree with most of what you stated(accept the holocaust did happen IMO, although it was nothing compaired to our MAAFA.)... but I don't see how it invalidates what I said. Yes African spirituality predates the Semetic/Abrahamic 'religions'(I practice an African spiritual science myself)... but the fact remains that many of our African people 'now' practice one fo these foreign imposed religions and self idntify as Jew, X-ian, Muslim... The Beta Israel are Black African Jews who live in Israel(the oldest form of Judaism I may add) that cannot be lumped together with the Khazarian European converts to Judaism racially, politically, economically, or culturally... That's all I'm saying. When we say 'the Jews did(fill in the blank)', we have to make sure of 'whom' we are speaking... that's all.

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The jews inserted themselves into the lives of the Ethopians and then came the Romans. During WW2 Italy invaded Ethopia once again and murderded thousands of it's people while the Pope was making hail-marys. After the Romans came the Arabs. Then came the dreaded christians who are the scum of the earth. This is a religion of murder and destruction. The only reason Afrikans are displaced is due to the religions of europeans, jews and arabs. We, the dispora, will someday reclaim our land albeit not in a hundred lifetimes.


Personally, I think that African liberation will happen much sooner than 100 lifetimes.

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But, because of our Ancesotors and GOD, THE CREATOR, we will, someday, reclaim our land. As for the jews, they know what they've done to us. They were a part of the slave trade.

You may note that I am not a person of religion because of my love of the true and living GOD, THE CREATOR. Religion is a control mechanism used as a device to make tranquil a people in order that they can be lead like lambs to the slaughter. They did it to the native amerikkkans when they put up their jesus who they said was the son (instead of the 'sun') of GOD and they (the dispora) where treated like children. They used religion in Afrika by selling this trash to the Afrikans then took their land and left them with their lying bible. They even used the good ship 'jesus' piloted by captain john hawkins as a slave ship. Our people, who were a peaceful people, should have know something was amiss when they were being transported on the ship 'jesus'. They used their religion to take over Egypt which is run today by their desendants who are not Afrikan but of a mixed breed. The same is true of Mexico where Montazuma was a Black man who was slain by the Spanish Conquistadors. The Consquistadors (who mixed with the Black race of Mexico) descendents are the Mexicans of today. Religion, religion, religion. The most diabolical entity used against Afrikans from the advent of religion. You know it and I know it. As for the jews, they are just another form of the european brotherhood. Hotep.

Olu Olufemi Chike


You're preaching to the choir. O dabo.
Ma'at Hotep Oshun Auset

MAY GOD, THE CREATOR, BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. You, aparently, are speaking from the prespective of a religious point of view and I do not. I couldn't care less about religion because religion is a control mechanism period. This is the reason we are still in mental bondage and spiritual hybernation. Our people believe that the christain messiah (jesus) will come and save us from the horrors of life on this planet. They believe that they must die and assend to heaven to enjoy the fruits of life. Little do they know where the true fruits of life reside. Again, I must reiterate: a jew is a jew. If one is Black and and the other isn't what doe's that tell you? A Black jew is still an Afrikan and make no mistake about it. What do you call a 'non-Black' jew? White folk still call Black jews 'nigga's'. It's all about the color my brother. And by opting to be a 'religious' follower doe's not change the color of your skin which is what this is all about. (I'm trying to write this post and listen to Woody Shaw and Jackie McLean at the same time.)

The holocaust was not what the jewish community wants us to think or said it happened. Sympathy is what they were after and sympathy is what they got. Now they are doing to the Palenstinians are what they claim was done to them. They took over a country using a lying false text in the bible as a means and reason for taking the land from a people who meant them no harm. The united states of amerikkka was instrumential in this take over along with their partner in crime, great britian. These same jews want us to forget about what happened to us but will not allow the world to forget what happened to them. For shame.

Gor a question for you. Who are the Beta Israel Jews and where did they come from and how did this (conversion) happen? Did they decide to take on the religion of their enemy or was this forced upon them? The latter I'm sure. I like the term you used "foreign imposed religions" because that's exactly what happened to our Afrikan Ancestors and this is why we are the way we are today. A foreign means of worshiping the TRUE AND LIVING GOD. Their false way of whorshiping GOD instead of our true way of worshiping GOD. Religion on any kind divides not unite a people, espeically Black people. There are so many different religious factions in families it's pathetic. Christins, Muslims, Jews, you name it and it's in our families and each thinks theirs is the true religion and the others are not. I just sit back and witness the relgious carnage that takes place between faction and remain mute because they cannot handle the truth. Sad, but true. Thus, the division. When you read the christain bible, in one book you will find a contridiction of what is said about the same thing in another book. When you hear of someone feeding thousands of people with a few fish and a few loafs of bread you have to be brain stupid to buy that. A woman having a baby without the aid of a man, come on; if you believe that one I've got some dry land in the bottom of the atlantic ocean you can have for free. A person hanging on a cross bt virture of his hands and feet being held up by nails and his body not falling down due to gravity; now that's a good one. Last but not least: Dying, coming back alive and moving a two-to-three ton boulder from in front of a cave and walking out!!. Well, I never. See what I mean. See how messed up we are through religion.

All religions are for control period. From Judaism to Christanity; they are the reasons for our plight. Once we throw off these cloaks of disception, we can come to grips with what ails us as a people and begin to unite as one as we once were. We must never forget the 'strange fruits hanging from trees' as Billie Holiday once sung. We must never allow the past to be repeated because to do so could mean the end of a great and once powerful people. Of course GOD, THE CREATOR AND OUR ANCESTORS, will never allow this to happen. I will never forgive nor forget nor turn the other cheek. Am I preaching to the chior? Perhaps. But can they sing? Hotep

Olu Olufemi Chike
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Originally posted by Carl Prather:
Gor a question for you. Who are the Beta Israel Jews and where did they come from and how did this (conversion) happen? Did they decide to take on the religion of their enemy or was this forced upon them?


I'm just responding as an FYI. As I said before, nothing you have stated, of which most I agree, contradicts what my actual point was.

The related Falash Mura or more accurately called Bete Israel Masihawi or Bete Yahuda Masihawi are Abyssinian Jews who, in most cases due to willful faith since the events of Acts 8:26-39 which produced their first head priest (Ras Kah'n) to who was Masihawi (Messianic) who converted Empress Kandeke Garsemot IV who declared the Messianic faith as the new state religion converting nearly 90% to Messianic Jews,(but in later times, sometimes conversion was due to political and social duress), had converted to Christianity in earlier centuries. The vast majority are returning to their Jewish roots, living in Falash Mura communities and observing Halakha. Bete Israel spiritual leaders, including Chief Kes Raphael Hadane have argued for the acceptance of the Falasha Mura as Jews. [1]

Judaism in Ethiopia goes back to ancient times. The Ethiopian book titled Kebra Nagast, or "Book of the Glory of Kings," includes several references to Biblical verses about Solomon and Sheba. The Hebrew Bible also has various references, Tanakh [1 Kings 10:1-13 and 2 Chronicles 9:1-12]. The early history of the community remains obscure, however.

The now dominant Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church claims it originated from the visit by the Queen of Sheba to King Solomon in the Tenth Century BCE. This visit is mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures (I Kings 10:1). The Bible does not provide details of the queen's visit.

Such details developed as part of Christian Ethiopian tradition in the Middle Ages. Elements included the alleged theft of the Holy Ark, as well as Solomon's getting the Queen of Sheba pregnant. According to Christian Ethiopian tradition, her child established the "Solomonic" lineage in Ethiopia. These elements were first written down in full in the 13th century Kebra Nagast, inspired partly to legitimize the Solomonic dynasty. It was competing with the previous Zagwe dynasty of Agaw descent, which was Cushitic, not Semitic-speaking, though passionately Christian.

The chief Semitic languages of Ethiopia may suggest an antiquity of Judaism in Ethiopia. "There still remains the curious circumstance that a number of Abyssinian words connected with religion, such as the words for Hell, idol, Easter, purification, and alms – are of Hebrew origin. These words must have been derived directly from a Jewish source, for the Abyssinian Church knows the scriptures only in a Ge'ez version made from the Septuagint."[2]

Bete Israel are said to claim that the Ethiopian Jews are descended from the lineage of Moses himself. It is interestingly true that his children and relatives are said to have separated from the other Children of Israel after the Exodus and gone southwards (though the exact area is unspecified). Alternatively, Ethiopian Jews are falsely said by certain modern Israeli speculators to be descended from the tribe of Dan which is not possible since Dan was cut off (made extinct) by God for being completely given over to idolatry. However, the true and written tradition of Bete Israel says that they are descended from the tribe of Judah and also from some of the tribe of Levi who were loyal to Judah instead of the Northern Kingdom. Those who accept the Kebra Negast believe that Bete Israel are descended from a battalion of men of Judah that fled southwards down the Arabian coastal lands from Judaea after the breakup of the united Kingdom of Israel into two kingdoms in the 10th century BCE (while King Solomon still reigned over Judah), Even before the time of King Solomon, there was trade along the Red Sea to the Yemen and even as far as India, according to the Bible. There would therefore have been Jewish settlements at various points along the trade routes. Definite archaeological evidence demonstrates Jewish settlements and their cultural influence on both sides of the Red Sea at least 2,500 years ago. Such settlements existed along the Arabian coast and in Yemen, on the eastern side of the Read Sea, and along the Southern Egyptian and Sudanese coastal regions. However, this evidence makes better logical sense when viewed as evidence supporting the migration account told in the Kebra Negast, that Minilik the Great (Menelik I) lead a battalion of men of Judah and their families and with them 3 dozen priests of Levi (to attend the Ark) and their families all of which migrated with the Ark of the Covenant via said route, making their way back to Aksum, where Minilik I then reigned as the first Jewish Emperor of what is now called Abyssinia, making him the founder of the Solomonic Dynasty.

According to Jacqueline Pirenne, the spread of Sabaeans across the Red Sea to Ethiopia began in the 8th or 7th centuries BCE. Numerous Sabeans crossed over to Ethiopia to escape from the Assyrians, who had devastated the kingdoms of Israel and Judah. The Assyrians were extending their raids further south. She further states that a second major wave of Sabeans crossed over to Ethiopia in the 6th and 5th centuries BCE to escape Nebuchadnezzar. This wave also included Jews fleeing from the Babylonian takeover of Judah.[3] Most historians generally dismiss these theories of an early Jewish presence in Ethiopia in favor of a later ethnogenesis of the Bete Israel and presence of Judaism among Ethiopians.

There was a significant movement of Jews into the Sudanese and Eritrean-Somali coastal areas, and the Arabian and Yemeni coastal areas, following the Roman repression of the various messianic movements that culminated in the destruction of the Second Commonwealth of Judaea in the first century C.E.[citation needed] There is also evidence from the second century CE of Jewish flight southwards from the Fayyum of Egypt.[citation needed] Survivors fled up the Nile, perhaps to the general region of the Sudan.

Although the 13th century Kebra Nagast and some traditional Ethiopian histories have stated that Yodit (or "Gudit"), a 10th century usurping queen, was Jewish, it's unlikely that this was the case. It is more likely that she was a pagan southerner[4] or a usurping Christian Aksumite Queen.[5]

Contrary to the Kebra Negast, some outsiders claim that the Bete Israel rulers traced their lineage back to Moses and the tribe of Dan.[citation needed] The 9th century Jewish traveler Eldad ha-Dani also claimed descent from this tribe. He noted Jewish kingdoms around or in East Africa which existed during his time. Some believe his writings represent the first mention of the Bete Israel, but his accuracy is uncertain. Others doubt his work and point to a lack of firsthand knowledge of Ethiopia's geography and any Ethiopian language, although he claimed the area as his homeland.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Israel
Ma'at Hotep Oshun Auset,

MAY GOD, THE CREATOR, BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. I developed a headache trying to follow the information (FYI) you posed relative to the jewish faith. I can understand almost everything you espoused except when it comes to those folk mentioned in the bible such as moses who never ever existed and you nor anyone else can prove he did. Especially the part about him leading the jews out of Egypt when such exodus never took place nor were the jews enslaved in Egypt. Tangible evidence my friend. Tangible. Physical. No forensic evidence exist in reality for jesus, moses and the rest of the biblical clan. No graves, no markers, no physical evidence therefore they never existed just like the WMD's. The twelve diciples never existed, nor did the last supper take place because, at that time, they did eat at tables as dipicted in almost every painting or picture you see. The romans and jews put into the bible what ever they wanted and you can read this for yourself if you go to google and type in the 'protocols of zion'. Read it for yourself. Solomon and Sheba never existed nor did david slay the giant like it is depicted in the 'bible'. Lies, all lies. Like I said, the bible is like a chain around our necks that keeps us in mental bondage. Believing in a people (the jews) who are the newest race of people on the planet. We are Afrikan, not jews, not anglo-saxon, not french, not italian, not german, and especially not jewish. Black Afrikans my brother, thats what we are and thats what sets us apart from the other races or ethnetic groups.

There are many beautiful passages in the bible but most of the Afrikans in amerikkka and world wide who adhear to the bible, are being led by pied pipers of deception. In reading what you posted I got confused trying to figure out the who's who of the jewish faith. I will never accept the notion that my people willingly converted to a 'foreign' form of worship because they felt that our way of worship was not the proper way to worship. I use to work with a jewish white guy who was forever telling that his race (not religion) was the smartest that ever lived and he was a name dropper also (Albert Einstein, Karl Marx, etc). He told me his race developed the atomic bomb. Golly. I once told him I had a few 'Black' jewish friends who claimed linkage to Black Israelite Hebrews or something like that. When I told him that they had immigrated to Israel, he told me 'you have to be born jewish to be jewish' and that these people will never be accepted by his race (not faith) because they were not jewish. Kool-&-the gang with me because his religion, I told him, was no better nor different from any other religion as far as Black people are concerned. He knew all there was to know about the so-called jewish holocaust but nothing about the Black holocaust of slavery (so he claimed). Well, one of my friends returned from Israel and told me she and her family were treated like garbage. She has since gotten away from the group she was involved with. I also met a young brother in one of my college class's who's family also immigrated to Israel and his oldest brother (he claimed) was a piolet in the Israel air force that was involved in the six day war with Egypt. When I told him how I felt about the 51st state of Israel (not the country) he and I never hit it off because he was a walking campaign for Israel and I was just the opposite. He called me a bigoted anti-semite because I did not care for his adopted country and that I was anti-jewish and pro-arab. I told him I was a pro-Black Afrikan and against any country that invaded and took over the land of it's inhabitants. Thats when he threw up the bible and told me jews were GOD's chosen people and the land of the palestenians were given to them by GOD. The jews used this lie as a means to take over Palestine the same way amerikkka took over this country and spain took over Mexico. By the way, he told me he was not Black he was jewish. Is he a fool or what? He was just as dark as I am.

I must compliment on your knowledge of the jewish people and faith as well as the Ethopian's and their faith. I am not a student of religion therefore I cannot comment of your grasp of religious concepts. I can, however, applaud you for what you are and what your beliefs are. Of course we can agree to disagree but in the final analysis, we are brothers of the skin unless you are white. I do not now nor will I ever accept the beliefs that our people are anything but Black Afrikan and our original beliefs in GOD, THE CREATORM were of Afrikan Consciousness and Spirituality and not some cook-a-menie story about some guy in heaven who watches over us and whose son (not 'sun') died for our sins. Nor will I believe in a book (the bible) that has gone through changes to fit the needs of those who made the changes to justify their purpose and it's purpose. There are many of Black folk who feel as I do and our numbers are growing each day. We are free thinking people whose belief's are in the TRUE AND LIVING GOD and we will never venture into the aspect of religious philosophical thought as a means of worshiping GOD, THE CREATOR. I leave you to your beliefs. Hotep.

Olu Olufemi Chike
Spring break was cool. Cool

I promised the young ones (in my family) that I'd take them for a short trip and we were finally able to do this.

I took them to San Diego for a few days (not far) to check out Sea World, & the San Diego Zoo...we also did a lot of shopping, eating out, & saw Tyler Perry's movie, "Meet the Browns" (a serious dud & real snoozer sleep). . .

it was great fun being together and all that but. . .

but. . .

I'm glad to be home.

Those kids wore me out!
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
You know you're losing a debate when you need to start a thread in the Big House with somebody's name on it ...


I've never understood why people do that....although I do remember at one point purposely sending one of Lofton's threads to the Big House once by means of repeated cursing...

lol 19

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