Pentagon: Fort Hood Shootings: 12 Dead, 31 Injured On Texas Military Base

One Gunman Dead, Two Other Suspects In Custody.

Gunman killed:: Malik Nadal Hasan, Major, U.S. Army, age 39 or 40.

The U.S. Army says 12 people have been killed and 31 wounded in a shooting rampage on the Fort Hood Army base in Texas. Lt. Gen Bob Cone said at a news conference that one shooter has been killed and two suspects were apprehended on Thursday. He says they are all U.S. soldiers.

The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.

The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn't sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.

The general called the attack "a terrible tragedy, stunning." He said the community was "absolutely devastated."

The extent of the injuries of victims "varies significantly," according to Cone.

The first shooting began at about 1:30 p.m. at a personnel and medical processing office, Army spokesman Lt. Col. Nathan Banks said. The facility, called a Soldier Rating and Processing center, handles administrative details for soldiers.

Banks says the second shooting took place at a theater on the sprawling base.

Sgt. Rebekah Lampam, a spokeswoman at Fort Hood, said it was not known whether the shooters were soldiers or civilians.

An Army spokesman said the base was locked down after the shootings.

Covering 339 square miles, Fort Hood is the largest active duty armored post in the United States. Home to about 52,000 troops as of earlier this year, the sprawling base is located halfway between Austin and Waco.

At the Soldier Readiness Center, soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening - on average about 300-400 screened a day, Lampam said.
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Lampam said a graduation ceremony for soldiers who finished college courses while deployed was going on in the auditorium at the time of the shooting.

The White House said President Barack Obama was notified of the shootings.

The base is home to nine schools - seven elementary schools and two middle schools - and all were on lockdown, said Killeen school spokesman Todd Martin.

Texas Department of Public Safety spokeswoman Tela Mange said Texas Rangers and state troopers were en route to Fort Hood to help seal the perimeter of the 108,000 acre base.

Fort Hood officially opened on Sept. 18, 1942, and was named in honor of Gen. John Bell Hood. It has been continuously used for armored training and is charged with maintaining readiness for combat missions.

Local TV station KXXV reports:

We've learned an incident has taken place at the sports dome, now known as the soldier readiness area.... Temple ISD Schools Have Been locked down as part of this incident. The district's spokeswoman tells News Channel 25 the district is on soft lockdown.

MSNBC is reporting that one suspect is in custody, and one is still on the loose. Additional reports have come in that a second suspect is on the loose on the military base, but that has not been confirmed at this time. According to reports, the suspects were in military uniform. More details from MSNBC:

The official would not give [the suspect's] name nor additional details. It was unknown whether victims are soldiers or civilians. One gunman was reportedly in custody and another was on the loose, NBC News said. A third shooter may be involved, according to NBC News affiliate KCEN, which said the person had opened fire on the SWAT team at the base.

The Fort Hood military base is huge -- home to 4,929 active duty officers, 45,414 enlisted and nearly 9,000 civilian employees. The early word from MSNBC is that this is all military, and no civilians were involved. But that has not been confirmed.

The shootings began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin, honoring soldiers who had obtained degrees from extension schools. President Obama has been informed of the shootings.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...-7-dea_n_347366.html
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Those soldiers have been telling the military - and their doctors - that they have been overstressed and brain damaged from multiple deployments for YEARS now.

The military tells them there's nothing wrong with them and sends the back out for another tour. Roll Eyes

Maybe those in charge will start to listen to what these men and women are trying to say to them, now!
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
Those soldiers have been telling the military - and their doctors - that they have been overstressed and brain damaged from multiple deployments for YEARS now.

The military tells them there's nothing wrong with them and sends the back out for another tour. Roll Eyes

Maybe those in charge will start to listen to what these men and women are trying to say to them, now!

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Nidal Hasan, M.D., M.P.H.,
Psychiatrist

NBC news just reported that the Army Major Malik Nadal Hasan, 39, who was the gunman, was a Army doctor (Psychiatrist) and he was about to be deployed to either Iraq or Afghanstan.

He is a graduate of Virginia Tech Univ and did his medical training and residency in the U.S. Army. He had a clean record, was recently promoted to the rank of Major and was newly assigned to Fort Hood.
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****Gunman was shot multiple times and wounded by a female soldier (probably a military police (MP); he did not die. He is currently hospitalized in stable condition under heavy security.****

Gunman was harassed by other military members because he was Muslim and of Eastern desent.

Gunman used semi-automatic weapons, not Army issue, probably personally and legally bought and owned.
Muslim, Arab Groups Condemn Fort Hood Shooting, Brace For Backlash.

Arab and Muslim political groups are bracing themselves for a wave of anger and attacks after news broke on Thursday that the primary suspect behind the shooting deaths of twelve soldiers at Fort Hood had a Arabic and/or Muslim-sounding name.

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a native of Virginia, is believed to have been responsible for opening fire on his fellow soldiers at the U.S. Army base.

It was not immediately clear whether Nidal Malik Hasan was, in fact, a Muslim, though reports surfaced that he had converted to the religion late in life.

By Thursday evening, nevertheless, Arab-American and Muslim-American advocacy organizations were already readying themselves for a backlash. The Arab-American Institute said it received one threatening call from an unidentified male shortly after reports surfaced that the name of the alleged shooting suspect was Nidal Malik Hasan. The group, which condemned the massacre, said it was expecting more.

"We like to give people the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to being a reactionary thing," said Leigh O'Neill, director of government relations for the organization. "But there is a lot of hate out there and hate is hate. It is bipartisan and doesn't have geographic balance. We feel terrible for the victims today. And I wish people will understand when crime is crime and terrorism is terrorism."

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a civil liberties organization for American Muslims, was, meanwhile, working fast to get ahead of a potential rise in anti-Muslim sentiment. The group was set to host a press conference at 8 p.m. on Thursday evening to condemn the attacks and "urge calm" in the aftermath of the shooting.

Ibrahim Hooper, the group's communications director, told the Huffington Post that they had not, as of 6:30 p.m. received any threatening calls, emails or other communiqués. The organization, he said, would be announcing publicly any such threats as they occurred - in hopes of dissuading people from making them in the first place.

At this juncture, again, there is no concrete reporting as to whether Nidal Malik Hasan was in fact a Muslim or an Arab. All that has been reported is that he served in the Department of Psychology at the Center for the Study of Traumatic Stress at the Bethesda Naval Facility in Bethesda, Maryland. He is believed to be 39 or 40 years old.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...condem_n_347777.html
The media of course is afraid to come out and say certain things and instead are coming up with possible reasons.

1. He was picked on and called names. bs
2. He was worried/scarred about his upcoming deployment. bs
3. He posted some questionable items on his blog, but they are not sure he wrote them. bs

The non-existent practice of racial profiling has just increased over night and given some of the "real Americans" a reason to buy more guns and ammo.
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
I mean ... how scary is it that the SHRINK, himself, loses his mind and goes off on a rampage! Eek


But since he was a psychiatrist he must have had a SANE reason for doing it.

People think NORMAL is SANE. But if this war is INSANE then what does that say about NORMAL PEOPLE?

The nation that put men on the Moon goes to war over a couple of destroyed skyscrapers and yet can't specify the distribution of steel in the skyscrapers. 20 And most people can't figure out that that makes NO SENSE.

That is NORMAL alright.

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Originally posted by EbonyRose
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I mean ... how scary is it that the SHRINK, himself, loses his mind and goes off on a rampage!Eek


fro I don't know....my instinctions are tellin' me that this was premeditated. In otherwords, I think he planned this. I also think there's more to this story in terms of his alligance to his culture even though he was born in this country....I just think he may have been part of a "cell" that was placed here years ago...for this very reason/mission executed yesterday. Folks forget how some Arabs are....they plan years in advance. Don't believe me...look at their history. It's there. They have been known to wait hundreds of years....to attack....and will inbed their projected ideas generationally. That's what I think cuz I. don't trust 'em. Nope. Not one ioda.

fro
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Originally posted by ocatchings:

1. He was picked on and called names. bs
2. He was worried/scared about his upcoming deployment. bs


Why aren't these credible explanations?

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The non-existent practice of racial profiling has just increased over night and given some of the "real Americans" a reason to buy more guns and ammo.


Yeah, but denial of "reasonable" (I use this loosely, b/c nothing justifies murder) cirmcumstances you called bs on above doesn't help againt blatant anti-Muslim racism, either, imo.

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From what I gather, Major Hasan was genuinely committed to serving the interests of US Armed Forces, but observed serious logical discrepancies in how the US targeted the enemy for "fighting a dirty war" and how the US used the same approaches, albeit justified because "we are us and not them".

What would be golden (although it will never happen) is for the Army to publically release the atrocities Major Hasan's patients shared with him. I bet it isn't pretty (from either side) and I suspect the irrationality of violence likely drove him to a moment where he said "eff it" and was done.

It happens to all people, with the right buttons pushed. His buttons just happened to be "discriminated muslim + psychiatrist + horrible, irrational psych cases + getting ready to experience the madness 1st hand".

I don't buy an idea that he was a "sleeper" Muslim just waiting for his chance to do Allah's will against the US.
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Originally posted by shulamite:
I don't buy an idea that he was a "sleeper" Muslim just waiting for his chance to do Allah's will against the US.
Yeah, I'm sure that's not it. If he was about to be deployed, what's the chance that an organized group told him to attack right then and there, shortly before he was to be deployed?

Plus, terror groups usually go for the BIG, coordinated attack. There would have been many other similar attacks on other bases at the same time.

Nevertheless, this was not a good look for American Muslims. It will not only stir anti-Muslim sentiment here, but it also makes it harder to blame people for feeling that way. If a Muslim Army Major does this -- and face it, there aren't many Muslim Army Majors -- then it's hard to counter haters by saying that ordinary Muslims aren't like that. He should have just committed suicide and been done with it. It'll be interesting to see what happens when he recovers, if he does.
Originally posted by ocatchings:

1. He was picked on and called names.
So? If that is the case there should be a mass killing daily on every installation. If a subordinate disrespected him they would be disciplined. If a peer or superior did it same thing. He most likely got his panties in a bunch b/c no one wanted to jump on his band wagon.

2. He was worried/scared about his upcoming deployment.
He had never deployed so what exactly was he worried about??? Roll Eyes

Why aren't these credible explanations?
Quote: Originally posted by ocatchings:

1. He was picked on and called names.

So? If that is the case there should be a mass killing daily on every installation. If a subordinate disrespected him they would be disciplined. If a peer or superior did it same thing. He most likely got his panties in a bunch b/c no one wanted to jump on his band wagon.

2. He was worried/scared about his upcoming deployment.

He had never deployed so what exactly was he worried about???

Why aren't these credible explanations?
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They are credible.

During peacetime, when the U.S. is not at war, soldiers killing/wounding other soldiers is something that happens througout the military, world-wide, all the time.

Maybe not to this magnitude, but it does happen and when it does, the Army and the other military branches via the military legal system; the Uniform Code Of Military Justice (UCMJ) handles their problems and takes care of their own.

Regular American citizens never hear about it and only because we are at war (and this is a rarity) are these situations are highly visible to the public.

And one of the main reasons for these soldier's killing deaths? Harrassment or in other words, soldiers fuckin' with other soldiers and in this case, Major Malik Nadal Hasan was a victim of possible constant pressure & daily harassment because he was Muslim (he did not/could not hide it and his own family acknowledged it) and him being a ranking Army officer only made it worse and contributed to his actions.

Soldiers, at time (both male & female), can be some evil-thinking, cruel, non-caring, disrespectful human beings hidden under the guise and military uniform of the hard-core, gung ho, "duty first" environment that the military lives in.

Think about it.

He is an American-born, devout, religious and practicing Muslim in the U.S. military who joined the military prior to the occurance of 9-11. He joined to serve his country as an officer and soldier equal to all others.

He joined into the Army in 1997 after college and became a doctor via the U.S. military (which paid for his medical schooling and internship etc) so he was locked into his Army career & committment to the Army for at least 6 years due to the Army paying for his complete medical training.

Then 9-11 happened and what race and religious sect was on the chopping block for American rage, pressure, resentment & hate? Muslims.

So Major Malik Nadal Hasan, for the last 8 years as an Army officer, had to endure the scrunity and resentment pointed directly & indirectly at him (from subordinate, peer and superior) on a daily basis from fellow soldiers while at the same time performing his assigned and medical duties as a medical physican (and a psycharist for the last year) caring for, tending to, listening to and mentoring the very soldiers who were fighting and killing his own people during wartime fighting against his own ilk, Muslims (Al Qaeda, Taliban, Iraq, Afghanstan ans Pakistan citizens) who live, practice and live religiously just like him.

In a war in Iraq that was totally illegial.

Army Majors have a mimimum of 10+ years in service. For his first 2.5 years in the Army (pre 9-11), no problem. After 9-11, things got worse for him.

Why didn't he get out of the Army? He probably couldn't. The military instituted the Stop-Loss Progam, which means that as along as the U.S. military is at war, solders are needed and the military locks you down: you cannot resign, retire or get out as you regularily would, especially if you are deemed a vital & critical asset and since he was a psycharist with all these returning from the war zone PTSD cases, he probably fit that criteria.

To me that's like (as an example) a Black psycharist in the Pre-Civil Rights 1940's-1950's doing his job: counseling member after member of the Ku Klux Klan and everyday racist White folk as they discuss hanging, burning and killing niggers in a society that fully supports it.

And who in the military chain-of-command was he going to complain to? Not his boss/superiors or his military American-born Christain peers, they weren't going to listen to an Army officer complain and bitch about his ills (especially since he is an Muslim) since officers are supposed to lead, command, direct, "suck it up and move on". You are an Army officer, you solve problems, not make them.

His subordinates, peers & superiors would deem him as a complainer: an ineffective and inadequate leader not fit for greater accountability and/or resposibilities.

In other words, dead weight.

That Army Major felt the pressures of his daily ridicule by his military for his religious beliefs, the constant killing and criticisms of his Muslim brethern in the American media cycles and the war zone(s), and his opinions & voice (outside of the comfort of his Muslim brothers & sisters) was silenced as a military officer performing his duites.

He snapped but this is not the first time that a solder has snapped and killed. For a military officer (especially a high ranking one) to do this, that's unusual.

I keep hearing on the MSM from everybody (civilian & soldier) saying "why would he do this, kill his own?"

Either, we can't be that dumb, playing dumb or are trying to evade the real truth here.

As for his deployment? He had no choice. he was going to deploy and he knew exactly what he was going in to and that reality probably scared the hell out of him.

There are thousands of Muslim Americans who serve in all branches of the U.S. military and I'll bet you that they have been and are being harrassed daily.

Just remember that the U.S. military is considered a large country that expands world-wide and "life" happens.

The Army has dropped the ball on this problem (in the U.S., overseas & during wartime) for a long time. I am waiting to see how truthful the Army will be about this reality and not wedge this as an isolated incident.
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Here is an exerpt from the news article: "Muslims at Fort Hood voice outrage".

"Leaders of the vibrant Muslim community here expressed outrage on Friday at the shooting rampage being laid to one of their members,But some of the men who had befriended Major Hasan at the mosque said the military should examine the policies that might have caused him to snap.

“When a white guy shoots up a post office, they call that going postal,” said Victor Benjamin II, 30, a former member of the Army. “But when a Muslim does it, they call it jihad".

“Ultimately it was Brother Nidal’s doing, but the command should be held accountable,” Mr. Benjamin said. “G.I.’s are like any equipment in the Army. When it breaks, those who were in charge of keeping it fit should be held responsible for it.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33...s-the_new_york_times

Good point. tfro
fro Just so ALL yall know..I didn't seek or ask for approval in MY opinion as to whether or not homeboy is a SLEEPER awaiting jihad orders. This is MY perspective. Not any of yalls. Never LOOKED for anybody[documented or NOT!] to verify or justify MY view OR even agree with it. And I still BELIEVE he is in fact a sleeper...there are those of you too young to understand how it was in the days when the muslims and europeans were at each other throats during the islam/christian crusades...and this eternal war lasted for hundreds of years. And it is also CLEAR those of you haven't read up on the history of the middle east especially the arabs and how they hold grudges....for centuries against their enemies....but! That's not my call. I ONLY know from what I have read in the past...and KNOW the middle east STILL retains that backward azz mentality in regards to suicide death missions....so it's NOT out of ordinary thinking to presume....that maybe they STILL have the ability to produce generational goals through their children...and grand children. This man didn't snap. For what? He was a professional in the field of social behavior...he had the tools to combat teasing and bullying...he was no child...a grown man of 39. Plus he had an option to do what? LEAVE the military! And find another professional. This was PLANNED! Oh yea...it doesn't take a genius to see this either...but! Roll Eyes Some of us are too conditioned to think that there aren't folks out there....using strategic LONG TERM elements to destroy America. And the most important tool thus far is....patience...but! JMHO is all.

BTW: There is saying that America will collaspe from the inside out. What other brilliant way to see that happen as their own soldier...screaming to "allah" and then began taking the lives of the unsuspecting...his fellow comrades. He even said many times that he is a MUSLIM first and an American secondly...so what does that tell ya? I'm just sayin.Roll Eyes


fro
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Originally posted by Cholly: The Army has dropped the ball on this problem (in the U.S., overseas & during wartime) for a long time. I am waiting to see how truthful the Army will be about this reality and not wedge this as an isolated incident.


Excellent synopsis, Cholly.

The Army will never disclose the extent of Muslim ethnic hatred (or all other "isms", for that matter).


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Originally posted by Vox:
He should have just committed suicide and been done with it.


This is one of the issues I think army psychologists/HR will be racking their brains over. Why mass murder and not suicide from a trained psychiatrist yelling "Allah" while doing it? I wonder how much of that represents giving into "expectations", somewhat like bright AA students who give in to poor academic performance when faced with unrelenting expectations of inferiority.

At the very least, I hope the Army will grant a person with a profile such as Dr. Hasan's a discharge when he or she asks for one. That MSNBC commentary is right, Cholly. This is on the Army. 9
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Originally posted by Vox:
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Originally posted by shulamite:
I don't buy an idea that he was a "sleeper" Muslim just waiting for his chance to do Allah's will against the US.
Yeah, I'm sure that's not it. If he was about to be deployed, what's the chance that an organized group told him to attack right then and there, shortly before he was to be deployed?


I, too, wasn't really sure about the "sleeper" theory ... until last night on one of the news shows, I saw an interview with the apartment manager of the building he was staying in.

He had only been there a short time, but (according to the manager) he had paid 6 months rent in advance (something the mgr. said no other tenant had ever done ... but, I know from experience that it is not an uncommon option here in TX for people to do that!)

He said that he was a good, quiet tenant ... but that he had left instructions that NOBODY be allowed in his apt. (no repair people, etc.) when he wasn't there or without his express permission. And that the mgr. hadn't seen him have one visitor there until the day before the attack! This visitor was a dark-skinned Middle-Eastern man wearing Arab-type garb. The man stayed a short time and then left!

Now ... all that could be coincidence! But ... maybe not! 19

That coupled with the fact that every news story I've seen on it says that there was no plausible reason that the good doctor should have been carrying a (let alone 2) weapons on his person, in that area, at that time! It was a civilian officer that took him down ... because most of the soldiers there were not armed!

Sooooo ... that made me think that there was at least a measure of premeditation there ... if not for an outright conspiracy! And that the conspiracy theory is at least ... at the very least, a possibility! 19

Many other people are coming out of the woodwork now claiming that he was very vocally outspoken about his dissatisfaction with the war(s) and the U.S. culpability in them. So, I'm thinking that, yeah ... he might have "snapped" ... but, it was NOT just in that instant, overwhelmed at that moment, in that place and time.

And I really have to question whether or not he was working alone! If he was not part of some 'terrorist cell' ... what he did accomplished the same mission as a suicide bomber ... he killed/injured as many as he could with the opportunity that he had. Only he didn't die. Roll Eyes

But, I'm sure he's eventually going to wish he had.
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
He said that he was a good, quiet tenant ... but that he had left instructions that NOBODY be allowed in his apt. (no repair people, etc.) when he wasn't there or without his express permission. And that the mgr. hadn't seen him have one visitor there until the day before the attack! This visitor was a dark-skinned Middle-Eastern man wearing Arab-type garb. The man stayed a short time and then left!

That coupled with the fact that every news story I've seen on it says that there was no plausible reason that the good doctor should have been carrying a (let alone 2) weapons on his person, in that area, at that time! It was a civilian officer that took him down ... because most of the soldiers there were not armed!

Sooooo ... that made me think that there was at least a measure of premeditation there ... if not for an outright conspiracy! And that the conspiracy theory is at least ... at the very least, a possibility! 19

Many other people are coming out of the woodwork now claiming that he was very vocally outspoken about his dissatisfaction with the war(s) and the U.S. culpability in them. So, I'm thinking that, yeah ... he might have "snapped" ... but, it was NOT just in that instant, overwhelmed at that moment, in that place and time.
I don't think anybody is saying it wasn't premeditated; clearly he had planned this out. He no doubt snapped some time ago. Just like that white guy earlier this year who shot up the gym. Remember, like Cholly & OCatchings noted, this guy wanted to LEAVE the military, but the army said no. So he was fretting, and probably couldn't take it.

But the religious element undoubtedly played a part here, IMO. And this is why, regardless of why this happened, he has doomed relations between Arab-Americans and everyone else for a good while. AND, his dumb ass is likely to live to see it.

I'd like to know who that guy is who visited him the night before, but for all we know that was a falafel delivery guy... Meanwhile, I am looking forward to learning what ultimately comes of the investigation.
fro If a person WANTED to leave the military....trust me. It CAN be done....even if it's a dishonorable discharge. The ARMY is not SLAVERY! An individual has rights if he is not happy being in the armed forces. There are ways to be released....paid education or not. Plus intelligence is NOT gonna tell the American people everything. Don't want the country to panic...we are dealing with so much including the swine flu pandemic. So too much drama will cause despair and will bred violent reactions. That's why I believe that this was premediated and CAREFULLY planned cuz if it walks like a duck, talk like a duck and look like a duck...then it's a what?

Also, folks keep forgetting how sneaky folks are when they are operating jihads. They're not gonna tell. But their ACTIONS will and have. And only after looking back will folks say there were obvious warnings beforehand. So. More info will leak and soon we will ALL know what was on homeboy's mind when he murdered 13 people and counting....just cuz he [claimed he] was having a supposedly "bad" day...... Yea right!....But! JMHO is all.

fro
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Originally posted by Vox:
I don't think anybody is saying it wasn't premeditated; clearly he had planned this out. He no doubt snapped some time ago. Just like that white guy earlier this year who shot up the gym. Remember, like Cholly & OCatchings noted, this guy wanted to LEAVE the military, but the army said no. So he was fretting, and probably couldn't take it.


Well, honestly ... in the beginning I thought he had just "snapped" ...right then and there on the spot ... giving him 'the benefit of the doubt', I guess. 19

He was a Major ... (I didn't know how recently that happened, but ...) I jut figured he had to have already known all there was to know about the military, after having been there so long ... and being a psychiatrist ... I mean, I figured the 'shock and awe' of what was going on these days would have been no surprise to him!

Being on a military base, I also figured it wouldn't have been unusual for people to walk around with a weapon on (I'm not the least bit familiar with military protocol! Smile) ... but, as the bits and pieces leak out, everything I tried to give him credit for simply does not apply in this case. sck

While I know that (probably) most Muslims are not violence-oriented (i.e., they do not take the whole 'jihad' thing literally) ... I do believe the Muslim teachings promote the same kind of fanaticism that Christianity does ... and anybody who jumps into either religion with both feet become 'tilted' ... just a little ... to one extreme or the other and are 'dangerous' in their own right when it comes to trying to live up to their interpretation of 'their' God and his/their Scripture! Eek
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Originally posted by Dissident:
Just learned Fort Hood was named after Confederate General James Bell Hood. Interesting, but not surprised.


In Texas .... Confused Oh, most definitely!

Texas STILL wants to secede from 'the Union'! Eek I'm not sure they even know they lost the war here! Big Grin
Quote by Koco: "If a person WANTED to leave the military".
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Koco, you are absoluty right.

He could have gone AWOL, be extremely subordinate to a superior officer, commit an extreme ethnics violation, a crime (outside of this act) etc., in order to position himself for Army dismissal; a dishonorable or bad conduct discharge and his Muslim religious probably (and other influences) were probably interconnected with this planned massacre of U.S. soldiers. That will be throughly investigated and the facts will reveal but IMO, the U.S. Army, the entire U.S. military, the Pentagon, the Joints Chiefs Of Staff and the White House dropped the ball big time on this and have a MASSIVE racial (Muslim, Black etc) and highly possible, inter-terrorist problem among it's military ranks.

And it has never been properly addressed. Never.

It reminds me of when the Iraq War first started. American forces invaded that country and from the lips of our WH leaders (VP Chaney) and it's military generals, they proudly stated that "we we going to be greeted as liberators by te Iraqui people".

And what happened? Extreme chaos, looting, killing and the destruction of an entire 1000+ years Iraq civilization with no military exit stragety plan.

The Army and the entire U.S, military has the exact same problem with this and the spin machine (along with the help of the MSM) is in full effect right now tryin' to divert this and provide cover for this situation and not answer/hide/evade the real questions and do the real work.

And when the facts bear out, will they tell/reveal the truth or cover-up?

They did not do it with ex-pro football Pat Tillman who was killed by friendly fire in Iraq, made him a Silver Star, national hero under false circumstances, lied to the Tillman family for years until exposed and the very general who was in charge of that entire operation and primarily responsible/accountable for the Pat Tillman situation,, General McChrystal, the now Commanding General of troops in Afghanstan, who undermines Pres Obama and wants to rush in 50,000-60,000 more troops in Afghanstan?

Not much comfort in truth-telling here.

The Army will do the usual, mourn the dead, provide solice, comfort/support it's military families, make the necessary adjustments to satisfy the tax-paying public and once that is accomplished, will the public & the MSM ask the hard questions? Will the Army dig deep into this problem or just write it off as an isolated incident and carry on as usual since they are wars to fight?

These generals, they roll out, (both active duty & retired), who have no clue as to what's really going on among it's ranks) will feed and sell you with the usual lip service, "military policy talk" all day long.

Also, remember, since the war began, the military (especially the Army) had (and still have) an extremely hard time recruiting young civilians for active duty and drastically lowered it recruiting standards just to keep their heads above water and meet those monthly quotas.

Question? How many, (under normal recruiting circumstances, would not have been approved to serve) were approved or purposely slipped through the cracks by those military recruiters and how many, as to your point, were extreme Muslim symphathizers, possibly "sleeper cell" jihadists?

The Army wasn't doing hard backround checks of potential recruits, for 8 years. They needed bodies to fight in Iraq and Afghanstan.

They may try but cannot blame this on Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

The U.S. military, by it own fault and ineptness, has a huge internal soldier problem.

The fact that he was a seasoned, ranking military officer, college educated, medically trained psycharist does not matter. he could have been a helicopter pilot, mechanic or a cook.

And they left the door wide open fro
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Originally posted by shulamite:
Cholly, do you think Major Hasan just "snapped" or do you think he planted himself in the Army with a strategic goal to kill Americans someday?

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I think that he snapped because he joined the military in 1997, 2.5 years earlier, pre-9-11.

After finishing college, he got an all expenses paid for, via the military, a costly medical education and a Army commission as a Second Lieutenant, (all he had to do was serve a certain amount of time in the Army to pay it back) and he kept getting promoted to higher rank for the next 10 years.

And pre 9-11, there was very little or no resentment (at least not at this level) towards himself (he felt safe & secure as an American) & Muslim Americans. 9-11 & Iraq happened (bad timimg for Muslims) and no one saw it coming.

For 8 of those 10 years, he served in the Army, he served under the umbrella of post 9-11 world wide religious Muslim resentment, hate and war against his people.

Remember, after 9-11, Muslims (for a little while and still now) replaced us in the "racism towards a race of people" department.

Muslims weren't even on the radar, pre 9-11, of American citizens. Hispanics & Asians got more flak than Muslims at that time.

But it's hard to tell either way but both set of factors (constant harassment stress along with possible jihad "supported" religious beliefs) probably could have set him off.

Only he knows if he snapped, was a plant or was convinced over the years by fellow Muslims but I think that he snapped.

Being in the military is extremely challenging stressful, very demanding and hard, even during peace time. As for officers, they are leaders and much is expected of you.

Unlike civilians, there is a straight line code of professionalism and ethnics that military officers walk everyday.

And in today's terorists climate, The Taliban & Al Qaeda are constantly working terrorist angles and what better way to defaet an Army that to do it from the inside?

The Taliban and Al Qaeda may resent the fact that Muslim Americana serving in the U.S. military is fighting against them but if they can find consistant weak links in the system and convert thinking through religious faith and beliefs, it's an advantage for them.

And hopefully, if he recovers and comes out of his coma (and the Army will interrogate him) they may find out but as I stated before the Army dropped the ball: left the door wide open, lowering recruitment standards for years, allowing citizens with criminal records, felons and possible Muslim jihadists to serve (here on American soil as well as on the battlefield) and if the Army did not realize that (I think that they did know) they know it now.
yeah ... what he just said!

I think the good Major probably started off as a 'good American' (about as good as an American as an Arab-Muslim-American can get! Eek) and planned to serve his country (as opposed to his religion) as best he could in the U.S. Military.

But things got turned around somewhere along the way. 19

There's a lot of propaganda out there floating around by terrorist organizations (and others) ... and being globally connected to it doesn't help matters a whole lot, either. sck He apparently got caught up ... and was definitely in the wrong situation at the wrong place and in the wrong time!

Maybe he wasn't a "plant" ... maybe the terrorists just found him already growing in the middle of a garden and decided to water him ... until he bloomed into a mass murderer.
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Originally posted by Vox:

Remember, like Cholly & OCatchings noted, this guy wanted to LEAVE the military, but the army said no.


That was kind of stupid.

If I want to quit my job, I just quit.

I've done it before, even mid-semester once. I didn't have to shoot up the university to get out.
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Originally posted by Dissident:
Just learned Fort Hood was named after Confederate General James Bell Hood. Interesting, but not surprised.


Ft Polk
Ft Bragg
Ft Benning

I think there are a few others but it is interesting that our most "powerful" and "respected" units are located at these post.
Most of the post named after Union Generals are named after the ones considered weak or not very good leaders
Originally posted by Ricardomath
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That was kind of stupid.

If I want to quit my job, I just quit.

I've done it before, even mid-semester once. I didn't have to shoot up the university to get out.


fro That's all I'm sayin' Roll Eyes If he wasn't a PLANT....he certainty EVOLVED into one. Maybe folks are just uncomfortable with the fact that....the terrorists may be plotting violent mayhem within the United States oppose to doing it WAY WAY WAY on the outside of American soil. Maybe Americans are too comfortable hearing about this kinda thang in Pakistan, Afgahinstan[sp] or Iraq. It's easier to change the channel...cuz they are most times unaffected....but! Not this time. Nope. Me myself still believe that the some of middle east folks despite their wealth in oil are still socially STUCK in olden days where they settled disputes by chopping off heads or killing those who won't convert or by todays standards: blowin themselves up with the enemy...but! JMHO is all.

fro
I'm still not buying it and the more the media talks about it looking for a loophole or excuse the more disgusted I get.
The problem as I see it is he is an American citizen. To call his act terrorism will mean others who have hid behind the notion of freedom fighters or just expressing my "birth right" will have to be lumped in the same category.
Either we can face the fact that home grwon terrorism is a fact of life or we can continue to keep our head in the sand.
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Originally posted by ocatchings:
The "he just snapped theory" is looking weaker and weaker by the minute..............
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/...als/story?id=9030873

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It's been reported that he is now breathing and talking on his own.

IMO, when he decided to join ROTC while in college, graduated, received a officer's commision as a Second Lieutenant in the Army after college decided to become a medical physican and at that time, was a recruited sleeper cell "plant" for Al Qaeda/Taliban all along, for 10 long years was to join the Army and (at some point in his career with Al Qaeda/Taliban assistance) commit this or some other planned terrorist act? It was pre-meditated.

If not that, and his thinking was overturned/ seduced and overtime, twisted, disillusioned, angry sentiment and he grew (while in Army uniform) from being a good, motivated, dedicated U.S. military Army officer turned Islamic terrorist based on his negative treatment towards himself (he received a lot of shit, both inside and outside the military in his everyday life) his religiousbeliefs/views and the wars against his Muslim religion and his ilk and his outlet/refuge was sympathizing with Al Qaeda/Taliban (text messages, e-mails, phone calls, Muslim religious services etc), then, IMO, he snapped.

People all the time having jobs/occupations, go to work everyday and perform their duties with no intention to do anybody harm but, and at some point, for some reason (after so many years and a negative or series of negative events, ie, firing, lay-off, mistreatment(s), etc) go back to that job bearing loaded weapons and shoot/kill/wound people.

Most recent: Last Friday in Orlando, Fl.


Jason Rodriguez, the suspect in the shooting at the Legions Place office building, leaves the Orlando Police Department building in Orlando

http://online.wsj.com/article/...NexttoWhatsNewsThird

It happens all the time.

Was he an Al Qaeda plant purposely placed in the Army, by Al Qaeda/Taliban from day one, a good military officer turned Islamic symphatizer due to consistant negativity/attacks/war/killings on his own kind? In other words, he just a pissed off soldier.

The Army can investigate, via the FBI/CIA and try to tie him to Al Qaeda (true or not) in order to please the public and sway the incident away from themselves but they need to look squarely at themselves.

For me, I am not convinced and/or letting the U.S. Army/military off the hook and lessen their ultimate responsibility/accountibility on this!

It's reported that there are over 4,000 Muslims actively servicing in the Army and throughout the entire military service, probably thousands more.

The Army and the entire military has a problem.

They need to fix it and I hope that they tell the whole truth about this incident.
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Originally posted by Cholly:
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Originally posted by ocatchings:
The "he just snapped theory" is looking weaker and weaker by the minute..............
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/...als/story?id=9030873

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It's been reported that he is now breathing and talking on his own.

IMO, when he decided to join ROTC while in college, graduated, received a officer's commision as a Second Lieutenant in the Army after college decided to become a medical physican and at that time, was a recruited sleeper cell "plant" for Al Qaeda/Taliban all along, for 10 long years was to join the Army and (at some point in his career with Al Qaeda/Taliban assistance) commit this or some other planned terrorist act? It was pre-meditated.

If not that, and his thinking was overturned/ seduced and overtime, twisted, disillusioned, angry sentiment and he grew (while in Army uniform) from being a good, motivated, dedicated U.S. military Army officer turned Islamic terrorist based on his negative treatment towards himself (he received a lot of shit, both inside and outside the military in his everyday life) his religiousbeliefs/views and the wars against his Muslim religion and his ilk and his outlet/refuge was sympathizing with Al Qaeda/Taliban (text messages, e-mails, phone calls, Muslim religious services etc), then, IMO, he snapped.

People all the time having jobs/occupations, go to work everyday and perform their duties with no intention to do anybody harm but, and at some point, for some reason (after so many years and a negative or series of negative events, ie, firing, lay-off, mistreatment(s), etc) go back to that job bearing loaded weapons and shoot/kill/wound people.

Most recent: Last Friday in Orlando, Fl.


Jason Rodriguez, the suspect in the shooting at the Legions Place office building, leaves the Orlando Police Department building in Orlando

http://online.wsj.com/article/...NexttoWhatsNewsThird

It happens all the time.

Was he an Al Qaeda plant purposely placed in the Army, by Al Qaeda/Taliban from day one, a good military officer turned Islamic symphatizer due to consistant negativity/attacks/war/killings on his own kind? In other words, he just a pissed off soldier.

The Army can investigate, via the FBI/CIA and try to tie him to Al Qaeda (true or not) in order to please the public and sway the incident away from themselves but they need to look squarely at themselves.

For me, I am not convinced and/or letting the U.S. Army/military off the hook and lessen their ultimate responsibility/accountibility on this!

It's reported that there are over 4,000 Muslims actively servicing in the Army and throughout the entire military service, probably thousands more.

The Army and the entire military has a problem.

They need to fix it and I hope that they tell the whole truth about this incident.


His attempt to contact Al Qaeda should have been enough to get him off the streets then.
What I don't understand is how you believe the military is behind this?

I'm not sure if he was a plant or recruited, but what I do know is the same thing the FBI, CIA and other alphbets know, our adversaries are patient.
That was one thing I remembered from every AAR I attended. Don't rush, be careful and don't be fooled into a fale sense of security.

As far as that Rodriquez bum, he was laid off 2 years ago. Alternatives: look for another job, get a gym membership, play some golf, or sit around and sulk about it. Hmmmmm seems like this dolt decided to use the normal thing, blame everyone else and hold them responsible.
So are you saying that someone else should take the blame for his actions?
Originally posted by Cholly
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IMO, when he decided to join ROTC while in college, graduated, received a officer's commision as a [b]Second Lieutenant in the Army after college decided to become a medical physican and at that time, was a recruited sleeper cell "plant" for Al Qaeda/Taliban all along, for 10 long years was to join the Army and (at some point in his career with Al Qaeda/Taliban assistance) commit this or some other planned terrorist act? It was pre-meditated


fro Uuuummmmm19 Very interesting. Why is it sooooooo outside the box that people can plant a "cell" on a long term basis? Americans are not the only geniuses? Hell many of them are not even geniuses...just lucky bastards that's all. Being in power for this long...and not have the enemy do something extremely violent on american soil. Wow! Suddenly that old "american" hero theory is being stripped away....one piece at a time.... Go figure....but! JMHO is all.

fro
Quote by Koco: "His attempt to contact Al Qaeda should have been enough to get him off the streets then.

What I don't understand is how you believe the military is behind this?"
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I am not implying tht the military is behind this.

I am saying that the military severely dropped the ball and did not properly plan/train/advise/analyze their Officer/NCO chain-of-command and foot soldiers of the possibility of this type of situation happening.

And not only the impossibility of this happening in the U.S. at a military installation on U.S. soil (they never beleived that) and the fact that Army officers/enlisted personnel of Muslim desent/religion could possibly do something this.

If it were a Army private or sergeant, they would attribute it to his Muslim beliefs and his opposition to the war but an Officer? One of their own ranking members who took the oath of office as a military Officer, despite him being Muslim?

They probably never even considered that and if someone brought it up, they brushed it off.

When the war in Iraq first started, a soldier, one of the first to arrive in Iraq in 2002, who opposed the war because of his beliefs and was constantly harassed by fellow soldiers at the height of the war, acquired two hand grenades and threw them into a tent, killing and wounding several soldiers.

The Army's response to the American MSM and American publicat the beginning of the invasion: he was a Islamic symphatizer & terrorist. That soldier is currently serving a long term prison sentence at the military prison at Fort. Levenworth, Kansas.

That was a warning sign and they did nothing. Either missed it, avoided it or because the Army was in attack mode, they forgot about it.

The Army has not properly prepared their soldiers and hae not done a deep analysis of this potential threat.

Listening to the Generals (active & retired) all over TV explaining themselves are some of the most clueless members of the military.

They are people who have made it through the officer ranks to the top of theor profession and are responsible for making/establish Army policy, training, priority rules.

At the very top they are basically all "think tank": they filter command and control down throughout the military chain-of-command to the lowest levels and, just like any organization, priority of training/infomation is done at the lower levels of manager/supervisor levels (Lieutenant/Captain/Commanders/Senior Sergeants) to ensure the training/teaching to the lower ranks (Private, Sergeant).

And just like any organization, when they visit, are briefed, given installation tours or ask questions, 99.99% of the time, everything is cleaned up, dressed up or hidden and CEO's and Generals are always given the "everything is OK" ish by their lower level commanders/managers so that there will be mimimal drama.

IMO, I just don't believe that they planned for this, avoided it or reconsidered (when similiar events of Muslim soldier misconduct) that they needed to make a priority of this.

The Army bottom line: fight, protect, defend, blow shit up and kill the enemy.

I understand that they have to investigate through their channels but don't just go down the road of what the FBI/CIA has surfaced (true or untrue) or who the Major knew, who he worshipped with just to establish a connection of "he was one of them and we missed it" and allow the MSM to feed the American public their version of the truth.

The Army dropped the ball, did not train/think this would happen and now the entire U.S. military is very nervous and on edge that this may happpen again, on U.S. soil, in Iraq or Afghanstan.

Sensativity training for U.S. soldiers in the war zone while in Iraq toward Iraq civilians and Iraq military personnel? Priority.

Sensativity training, re-training and follow-up for U.S. Army soldiers towards their own U.S. Muslim soldiers? Probably not a priority.

The Army has an open can of worms, is now on speed dail and will upgrade their base security, have tons of Islamic/sensitivity training now, ask/question/counsel all soldiers, have the Army Chaplains (ministers) heavily involved, focus primarily on Muslim soldiers (even have them lead/teach training classes), make it a priority and let all of the MSM & the American people know exactly what they are doing but it may be a little too late.

America has the most powerful military in the world and due to ineptitude and lack of priority training/attention, they have been compromsed.
I think you're right, Cholly! It seems they have discovered that they need to close the barn door now the horse is looonnngg gone! Eek

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The Army leadership at Fort Hood will "take a very hard look at ourselves and look at anything that might have been done to have prevented this," he said at a news conference.

"Hasan was a soldier, and we have other soldiers ... that might have some of the same stress and indicators that he has," Cone said. "We have to look across our entire formation, not just in a medical community, but really look hard to our right and left. That's the responsibility for everybody, from the top to the bottom, to make sure we're taking care of our own."

Cone said Monday that he has instructed commanders at Fort Hood to "immediately take a hard look and make sure if there's anybody out there struggling [that] we're going to address their issues."


FULL STORY
quote:
Originally posted by Cholly:
Quote by Koco: "His attempt to contact Al Qaeda should have been enough to get him off the streets then.

What I don't understand is how you believe the military is behind this?"
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I am not implying tht the military is behind this.

I am saying that the military severely dropped the ball and did not properly plan/train/advise/analyze their Officer/NCO chain-of-command and foot soldiers of the possibility of this type of situation happening.

And not only the impossibility of this happening in the U.S. at a military installation on U.S. soil (they never beleived that) and the fact that Army officers/enlisted personnel of Muslim desent/religion could possibly do something this.

If it were a Army private or sergeant, they would attribute it to his Muslim beliefs and his opposition to the war but an Officer? One of their own ranking members who took the oath of office as a military Officer, despite him being Muslim?

They probably never even considered that and if someone brought it up, they brushed it off.

When the war in Iraq first started, a soldier, one of the first to arrive in Iraq in 2002, who opposed the war because of his beliefs and was constantly harassed by fellow soldiers at the height of the war, acquired two hand grenades and threw them into a tent, killing and wounding several soldiers.

The Army's response to the American MSM and American publicat the beginning of the invasion: he was a Islamic symphatizer & terrorist. That soldier is currently serving a long term prison sentence at the military prison at Fort. Levenworth, Kansas.

That was a warning sign and they did nothing. Either missed it, avoided it or because the Army was in attack mode, they forgot about it.

The Army has not properly prepared their soldiers and hae not done a deep analysis of this potential threat.

Listening to the Generals (active & retired) all over TV explaining themselves are some of the most clueless members of the military.

They are people who have made it through the officer ranks to the top of theor profession and are responsible for making/establish Army policy, training, priority rules.

At the very top they are basically all "think tank": they filter command and control down throughout the military chain-of-command to the lowest levels and, just like any organization, priority of training/infomation is done at the lower levels of manager/supervisor levels (Lieutenant/Captain/Commanders/Senior Sergeants) to ensure the training/teaching to the lower ranks (Private, Sergeant).

And just like any organization, when they visit, are briefed, given installation tours or ask questions, 99.99% of the time, everything is cleaned up, dressed up or hidden and CEO's and Generals are always given the "everything is OK" ish by their lower level commanders/managers so that there will be mimimal drama.

IMO, I just don't believe that they planned for this, avoided it or reconsidered (when similiar events of Muslim soldier misconduct) that they needed to make a priority of this.

The Army bottom line: fight, protect, defend, blow shit up and kill the enemy.

I understand that they have to investigate through their channels but don't just go down the road of what the FBI/CIA has surfaced (true or untrue) or who the Major knew, who he worshipped with just to establish a connection of "he was one of them and we missed it" and allow the MSM to feed the American public their version of the truth.

The Army dropped the ball, did not train/think this would happen and now the entire U.S. military is very nervous and on edge that this may happpen again, on U.S. soil, in Iraq or Afghanstan.

Sensativity training for U.S. soldiers in the war zone while in Iraq toward Iraq civilians and Iraq military personnel? Priority.

Sensativity training, re-training and follow-up for U.S. Army soldiers towards their own U.S. Muslim soldiers? Probably not a priority.

The Army has an open can of worms, is now on speed dail and will upgrade their base security, have tons of Islamic/sensitivity training now, ask/question/counsel all soldiers, have the Army Chaplains (ministers) heavily involved, focus primarily on Muslim soldiers (even have them lead/teach training classes), make it a priority and let all of the MSM & the American people know exactly what they are doing but it may be a little too late.

America has the most powerful military in the world and due to ineptitude and lack of priority training/attention, they have been compromsed.



I misunderstood but now I read you lima charlie
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
Originally posted by Cholly
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Quote by Koco: "His attempt to contact Al Qaeda should have been enough to get him off the streets then.


fro UhhhhEek I didn't say this. But good observation nonetheless.tfro
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Sorry about that...... Big Grin

fro
Cholly, pay attention!
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
I think you're right, Cholly! It seems they have discovered that they need to close the barn door now the horse is looonnngg gone! Eek

(QUOTE)The Army leadership at Fort Hood will "take a very hard look at ourselves and look at anything that might have been done to have prevented this," he said at a news conference.

"Hasan was a soldier, and we have other soldiers ... that might have some of the same stress and indicators that he has," Cone said. "We have to look across our entire formation, not just in a medical community, but really look hard to our right and left. That's the responsibility for everybody, from the top to the bottom, to make sure we're taking care of our own."

Cone said Monday that he has instructed commanders at Fort Hood to "immediately take a hard look and make sure if there's anybody out there struggling [that] we're going to address their issues."


FULL STORY[/QUOTE]
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Typical example of how the Army screwed this up bigtime:

Fort Hood suspect warned of threats within ranks.

Major Hasan said Muslim troops should be released as conscientious objectors.

Exerpt: from article:

"The Army psychiatrist believed to have killed 13 people at Fort Hood warned a roomful of senior Army physicians a year and a half ago that to avoid "adverse events," the military should allow Muslim soldiers to be released as conscientious objectors instead of fighting in wars against other Muslims".

" As a senior-year psychiatric resident at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, Maj. Nidal M. Hasan was supposed to make a presentation on a medical topic of his choosing as a culminating exercise of the residency program.

Instead, in late June 2007, he stood before his supervisors and about 25 other mental health staff members and lectured on Islam, suicide bombers and threats the military could encounter from Muslims conflicted about fighting in the Muslim countries of Iraq and Afghanstan, according to a copy of the presentation obtained by The Washington Post".

""It was really strange," said one staff member said one staff member who attended the presentation and spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the investigation of Hasan. "The senior doctors looked really upset" at the end. These medical presentations occurred each Wednesday afternoon, and other students had lectured on new medications and treatment of specific mental illnesses.

An Army spokesman said Monday night he was unaware of the presentation, and a Walter Reed spokesman declined to comment. It is unclear whether anyone in attendance reported the briefing to counterintelligence or law enforcement authorities whose job is to identify threats from within the military ranks."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33...news-washington_post

"It was really strange'? No, that was a warning.

bang Roll Eyes ek td6 Major Hasan, a Muslim military officer, warned senior military officers of potential threats (maybe at the time he wasn't referring to himself but!) and instead of listening to someone who knew exactly what happening within the military ranks and taking positive action, they got pissed, blew it off and labeled him and devalued his effectiveness and abilities as a military officer."

Then it happens and now everyone is in shock. bang

But just pay attention ans see the straight line direction the military will go.

They started yesterday with the FBI/CIA working the Al Qaeda/Taliban angle: who he knew and where he worshipped, not the angle that the Army completely dropped the ball and not report information/incidents of this type, investigate and provide necessary training for all soldiers within their own ranks.

Reports say that despite who he knew and corresponded with, currently they have deemed him a lone gunman with no ties to anyone else but they will keep digging to try and connect him someway, somehow.

The MSM/FBI/CIA wouldn't want to further embrass the most powerful Army in the world? Roll Eyes

This is the exactly the boneheaded problem that many ranking military members have and it filters down through the ranks to the lowest levels. Power thrumping common sense thinking. bang

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