quote:Originally posted by ZeusTKP:quote:Originally posted by FireFly:
First up, ZeusTKP, I kind of wonder why we - as in you and I - are having this conversation - it feels to me like some irksome discussion of 'what's right for other folks.'
A: Why do you say that? I'm asking them what reparations would be enough to erase the past. It might be that nothing can. If that's the case, I just want them to say that. But they are too mad to even say that. They are just totally pissed off, period.quote:It's beyond me to intellectualize about something that I have no true experience or deep knowledge of.
B:Words like "intellectualize" and "deep" knowledge are foreign to me, I'm afraid. To me, somethings is logical or it's not.quote:Affirmative Action and Reparations, in particular, are profoundly about people, a human experience, history and healing, not an intellectual exercise I choose to toy with.
Sure I can throw up some of my thoughts but I feel they're meaningless (beyond posturing) unless I can offer some concrete ideas that are actionable. I'm honest enough to admit I can't. While I have a vision of sorts, I feel it's pointless if I can't also suggest the mechanics of it. But back to your question...
I'm in Australia, so I have limited knowledge of the practicalities, actualities, and outcomes of Affirmative Action - it's further down on my Afr Amer studies reading list.
So... my answer is broadstrokes. I'd have to say that any system of 'fairness-by-legislation' is legislation created to enforce fairness, where fairness only exists selectively.
C:What % of the Australian population is African-Australian? How did they get there?quote:Any system has the potential to be exploited or create dependancy - is that your the gripe about it ??
No.quote:- however in my opinion it's more important to ensure equality of opportunity and potential for employment for everyone. To not penalize many because of the few who may exploit those rights.
To answer your question more directly, until I see no need for Affirmative Action
D:When do you think that will be? What would it be like then?
I'll keep my answers short coz it's been a long day.
A: I imagine no Reparations could ever erase the past... Reparations are more about remembering than forgetting.
B: like I said, logic isn't enough. You and I CANNOT experience being African American or experience the legacy of the past. 'Intellectualize' is what you are doing. Don't be cute and say that word is foreign to you or I'll get angry.
C: I don't know. Good question, I'll try and find out. To my knowledge any African Americans here in Australia arrived by plane. However, there is much indigenous Australian history, but fewer than 2.5% of our Pop. is indigenous.
D: When do I see the need to end AA? Probably never. When there is NO need. Which is when American society (and this applies globally too) truly is democratic and everyone has equal rights and opportunities - probably never. What would it BE like if everyone had equal opportunities and equal rights? Utopia probably. A diverse, equal, intelligent, creative and culturally enriched society.
bye 4 now.