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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
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Originally posted by ZeusTKP:

Can you answer my question though. Do you find a reductionist way of thinking inherrently offensive?



I already told you... I find it too simple-minded. Incredibly so. And it's dishonest too.

And I know I wasn't talking about philosophical Reductionism. I was, however, talking about your dullard's approach to reducing serious issues to petty, even sinister emotions held by your virtual opponents as a ploy for you to dismiss their positions up to and including the validity of their positions.


Like I said, I don't need to use any words denoting emotion in my arguments at all.

Hell, I don't need adjectives.

I can go back and re-write every single post. Deal?
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
You don't have to ask me for permission. If you were so capable then you would be trying to strike up a deal...

July 06, 2006 12:30 AM (my initial post)
July 08, 2006 11:53 PM (your first one this page)

At such a late date. You could have take care of it all on July 06, 2006 01:06 AM but you didn't.

That's the deal.


I can go back and start re-writing my posts, with your input, in a way that would conform to your language of engagement. In return, you'll actually reply to my arguments.

Deal?
You have no argument. And this thread, according to you, wasn't about that:

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I just want people's opinions about the current state of race relations in the US and what, concrete, specific things they want to be different and how, specifically. I'm not going to propose anything at all (in this thread). I just want people to list specific problems that they see, say who is responsible and how. And how the wrongs should be made right.


So "DEAL" with that and stop being so FAKE. You didn't enter this thread saying you wanted to debate or that you wanted people to respond to what you "propose" - aka your "argument(s)".

And quit BEGGING!

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I can go back and start re-writing my posts, with your input, in a way that would conform to your language of engagement. In return, you'll actually reply to my arguments.


Translated: "Please reply to my non-existent arguments."

I can go back and look to no avail for your argument. Deal?
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
You have no argument. And this thread, according to you, wasn't about that:

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I just want people's opinions about the current state of race relations in the US and what, concrete, specific things they want to be different and how, specifically. I'm not going to propose anything at all (in this thread). I just want people to list specific problems that they see, say who is responsible and how. And how the wrongs should be made right.


So "DEAL" with that and stop being so FAKE. You didn't enter this thread saying you wanted to debate or that you wanted people to respond to what you "propose" - aka your "argument(s)".

And quit BEGGING!


This thread has been derailed long ago.

Your definition of begging seems to be just asking any question. In that case, I can't stop begging.

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Translated: "Please reply to my non-existent arguments."


That's not an accurate translation. I didn't say that, and I'm not saying it now.

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I can go back and look to no avail for your argument. Deal?


How can you? Didn't you say that I don't have the right "language of engagement"? How can you even read my posts?
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Where are your arguments at on this thread? Maybe you can see them, Superman. LOL!


I'm going to try to steer the conversation a tad more to reduce the overall amount of repeated statements on both sides.

Let's review:

You: "I can't respond to your crap because it uses reductionist terms, and generally does not use the language of engagement."

Correct? Is this the problem that we are having?

I think that we should solve this before I try to post any arguments. Do you agree?

If I try to post my arguments the same way, I'll just get the same reaction from you. Correct?

Let's start over. Is that OK by you?
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Originally posted by ZeusTKP:
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Where are your arguments at on this thread? Maybe you can see them, Superman. LOL!


I'm going to try to steer the conversation a tad more to reduce the overall amount of repeated statements on both sides.

Let's review:

You: "I can't respond to your crap because it uses reductionist terms, and generally does not use the language of engagement."

Correct? Is this the problem that we are having?

I think that we should solve this before I try to post any arguments. Do you agree?

If I try to post my arguments the same way, I'll just get the same reaction from you. Correct?

Let's start over. Is that OK by you?



try sincerity.....
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Originally posted by ZeusTKP:

I'm going to try to steer the conversation a tad more to reduce the overall amount of repeated statements on both sides.



Your STEERING (and other such motives or ideas) are exactly the problem. You know you have present any "arguments" in this thread so you've concoct something to STEER attention away from that - your LIE that you've made an argument here (perhaps you call yourself making one in your other thread).

And why are you begging me to "start over"? I never told you it was "okay" in the first place. I did tell you that your unsophisticated language and penchant for being stupid enough to think that you could elicit a conversation using those idiotic terms was the most non-starting "crap" ever (for someone with the nerve to think they should be taken seriously). I told you that reducing people's positions on serious issues to petty emotions and disfavorable motives, etc. was, well... "crappy" on your part. And as I said from the beginning:

There really is no room for an intelligent conversation when your language (and, hence, mentality) of engagement is no more sophisticated than that.

So, while you're talking about how things get repeated here... Ask yourself why I have to repeat that to you: Because you certainly don't act like you understand.

Again, no one requested your audience. No one cares what your position, feelings or arguments are. They are not important to me for sure. So, knowing that? There is no reason for your question about "starting over." You and I never "began."

ONLY you have an interest in talking to me. And it's you who has something to gain from that exchange. Not I. You can offer me NOTHING. So there is literally NOTHING to "start over" for. At least not with me. I might talk to you but you're not ready to have a conversation with me. You've been proving that over and over the whole time.
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Your STEERING (and other such motives or ideas) are exactly the problem. You know you have present any "arguments" in this thread so you've concoct something to STEER attention away from that - your LIE that you've made an argument here (perhaps you call yourself making one in your other thread).


How do you know whether or not I've made an argument if you, yourself, claim that my language is unreadable to you?

Why haven't you answered many of the simple yes/no questions I've asked?

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And why are you begging me to "start over"?


I think I know what the problem is. I think you mistake my being polite for begging.

I don't have to be polite, if that bothers you. I'm a guest on this board, so I try to control myself.

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I never told you it was "okay" in the first place. I did tell you that your unsophisticated language and penchant for being stupid enough to think that you could elicit a conversation using those idiotic terms was the most non-starting "crap" ever (for someone with the nerve to think they should be taken seriously). I told you that reducing people's positions on serious issues to petty emotions and disfavorable motives, etc. was, well... "crappy" on your part. And as I said from the beginning:

There really is no room for an intelligent conversation when your language (and, hence, mentality) of engagement is no more sophisticated than that.

So, while you're talking about how things get repeated here... Ask yourself why I have to repeat that to you: Because you certainly don't act like you understand.

Again, no one requested your audience. No one cares what your position, feelings or arguments are. They are not important to me for sure. So, knowing that? There is no reason for your question about "starting over." You and I never "began."

ONLY you have an interest in talking to me. And it's you who has something to gain from that exchange. Not I. You can offer me NOTHING. So there is literally NOTHING to "start over" for. At least not with me. I might talk to you but you're not ready to have a conversation with me. You've been proving that over and over the whole time.


So do you want to try to start over or not?
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Originally posted by ZeusTKP:

How do you know whether or not I've made an argument if you, yourself, claim that my language is unreadable to you?


I never claimed that. I said:
There really is no room for an intelligent conversation when your language (and, hence, mentality) of engagement is no more sophisticated than that.

You can't twist, spin or turn any of that into me saying what you write is "unreadable." To the contrary, I can read what you say but much of it is INTELLIGENT/intelligible given the subject matter. Period.

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I'm a guest on this board...


And that's your problem in a nutshell. You and your "guest" mentality. I did not invite you and certainly the people here whom you have tried to have a "discussion" with have not invited you here. So you're none of our guest.

The moral here is how it has been your very mentality that has brought this upon yourself. Had you just started posting here without all the pretense things would have been different. If you didn't consider yourself a "guest" (and everything that goes into that concept for you), things probably would have been much different.

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So do you want to try to start over or not?


Polite or not, asinine questions like that are why I don't answer questions from you. I told you from the start that your language itself = NON-STARTER. So you can't start something over that never begin int he first place. As such, your question is UNINTELLIGIBLE because of what I said, clearly, in the post you quoted:

ONLY you have an interest in talking to me (and others).



Why haven't you answered many of the simple yes/no questions I've asked?

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And why are you begging me to "start over"?


I think I know what the problem is. I think you mistake my being polite for begging.

I don't have to be polite, if that bothers you. I'm a guest on this board, so I try to control myself.

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I never told you it was "okay" in the first place. I did tell you that your unsophisticated language and penchant for being stupid enough to think that you could elicit a conversation using those idiotic terms was the most non-starting "crap" ever (for someone with the nerve to think they should be taken seriously). I told you that reducing people's positions on serious issues to petty emotions and disfavorable motives, etc. was, well... "crappy" on your part. And as I said from the beginning:

There really is no room for an intelligent conversation when your language (and, hence, mentality) of engagement is no more sophisticated than that.

So, while you're talking about how things get repeated here... Ask yourself why I have to repeat that to you: Because you certainly don't act like you understand.

Again, no one requested your audience. No one cares what your position, feelings or arguments are. They are not important to me for sure. So, knowing that? There is no reason for your question about "starting over." You and I never "began."

ONLY you have an interest in talking to me. And it's you who has something to gain from that exchange. Not I. You can offer me NOTHING. So there is literally NOTHING to "start over" for. At least not with me. I might talk to you but you're not ready to have a conversation with me. You've been proving that over and over the whole time.


So do you want to try to start over or not?[/QUOTE]
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How do you know whether or not I've made an argument if you, yourself, claim that my language is unreadable to you?

Why haven't you answered many of the simple yes/no questions I've asked?


Zeus, if I was you I'd gather my marbles and go home. The people that agrees with the arguments you're attempting to make are on sites such as skinheads.com. You may want to give them a try if you want some "love".
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
I never claimed that. I said:
There really is no room for an intelligent conversation when your language (and, hence, mentality) of engagement is no more sophisticated than that.

You can't twist, spin or turn any of that into me saying what you write is "unreadable." To the contrary, I can read what you say but much of it is INTELLIGENT/intelligible given the subject matter. Period.


I'm guessing you meant to say "not intelligent/intelligible".

What is unintelligible about my asking you to elaborate on your statements regarding ending white supremacy and getting rid of the constitution? Is the word "elaborate" unintelligible to you?

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And that's your problem in a nutshell. You and your "guest" mentality.


Wow, how many mentalities do I have?

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I did not invite you


Then why have you been replying to me for 10 pages?

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and certainly the people here whom you have tried to have a "discussion" with have not invited you here. So you're none of our guest.


I WAS invited. And I posted in the introduction forum and made my intentions clear. I didn't hear a peep from any of you then.

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The moral here is how it has been your very mentality that has brought this upon yourself. Had you just started posting here without all the pretense things would have been different.


I beg to differ. Show me any poster that disagreed with the board and lived to tell about it.

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If you didn't consider yourself a "guest" (and everything that goes into that concept for you), things probably would have been much different.


What??! What should I have considered myself then? After I was invited here?

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Polite or not, asinine questions like that are why I don't answer questions from you. I told you from the start that your language itself = NON-STARTER.


And I'm asking you if you want to give me CONSTRUCTIVE feedback so that I can change my language and try to start a new discussion.

Yes or no? Why is that so difficult to answer???

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So you can't start something over that never begin int he first place.


Fine. I just want to start a discussion then.

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As such, your question is UNINTELLIGIBLE because of what I said, clearly, in the post you quoted:


I replied to your post...
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Originally posted by alonzo:
Zeus, if I was you I'd gather my marbles and go home. The people that agrees with the arguments you're attempting to make are on sites such as skinheads.com. You may want to give them a try if you want some "love".


Believe it or not, skinheads don't agrees with me. I've already linked to the people who agrees with me: http://www.lp.org

In any case, the assumption is that intelligent people who don't agrees with me will be able to argue for their position.
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Originally posted by ZeusTKP:

I'm guessing you meant to say "not intelligent/intelligible".


Yes. We have a winner!

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What is unintelligible about my asking you to elaborate on your statements regarding ending white supremacy and getting rid of the constitution? Is the word "elaborate" unintelligible to you?


We have another winner. It's unintelligible when I tell you that I answered your initial question. Not being hard of (cyber)hearing helps.

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Wow, how many mentalities do I have?


"Calm yourself." You have as many as you display. Now... your point?

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Then why have you been replying to me for 10 pages?


Equivocating will get you nowhere. I've demonstrated on these 10 + pages HOW YOU ARE NOT READY. You can count the number of times you've had to backtrack, cover up, etc., etc., etc.

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I WAS invited.


And? That's not what I said. I said:
the people here whom you have tried to have a "discussion" with have not invited you here

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And I posted in the introduction forum and made my intentions clear. I didn't hear a peep from any of you then.


"Calm yourself."

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I beg to differ.


You've been BEGGING for quite some time. Plenty of people have disagreements. There near polar disagreements over Bill Cosby... Plenty of posters "living to tell about it."

Get over yourself. As much as you want to be special... you are not (special).

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Show me any poster that disagreed with the board and lived to tell about it.


Hmmmm... So now something can be done, one person to the next over the internet? Interesting...

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What??! What should I have considered myself then? After I was invited here?


Ummmm.... Most people, who after registering, with an interest in posting at forums consider themselves as... merely a new poster among those who have been there longer than themselves. Most people don't come with any other "intention" other than participating - even when invited.

You, on the other hand, had an agenda. You came here looking for something. Simply put, you came here to TAKE AWAY. Not add. You came here with a bunch of crazy assumptions.

First things first, I'm actually white.

Now, that was "actually" weighing on your brain, how much? I mean, did you feel you gave people the impression that you were "actually" something else?

And why would you assume posting, after an invitation, would be "against the rules"? Coming with stupid agendas make you say and do awkward things.


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And I'm asking you if you want to give me CONSTRUCTIVE feedback so that I can change my language and try to start a new discussion.


And I've been telling you that you aren't ready to have a discussion, new or old. That's the CONSTRUCTIVE feedback I've been giving you. You and all your MENTALITIES filled with all those awkward assumptions and crazy agendas are, as I said, NON-STARTERS. That you would ask to "start" a discussion shows the error in your thoughts.

You are free to post here as you will. I have been free in telling you:

"There really is no room for an intelligent conversation when your language (and, hence, mentality) of engagement is no more sophisticated than that."

HINT: You haven't changed your mentality/mentalities - i.e. the underlying motive and assumptions you came here with.

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Yes or no? Why is that so difficult to answer???


I've answered you. What's so hard for you to understand? I told you rather clearly, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR VIEWS ARE. Period.

What part of that don't you understand? What part of that makes you asking me "do you want to..." an intelligent question? Answer: NONE OF IT!

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Fine. I just want to start a discussion then.


And there you go. Don't ask me a question about what I "want" to do based off of what you want. I have not sought your audience. You are not my guest here. NOTHING about my exchanges with you suggest that I "want" anything as far as a discussion with you because, again, I've outlined HOW YOU ARE NOT READY.

But you are free to post here. And that, without any expectations. Good luck to you.
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
We have another winner. It's unintelligible when I tell you that I answered your initial question.


I'm asking you to elaborate on that answer.

Why are you refusing to do so?

This must be the 5th or more time that I've asked.

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Not being hard of (cyber)hearing helps.


I think that you will continue posting indefinitely, ignoring everything. I don't see how I can make anything simpler than a yes/no question.

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"Calm yourself." You have as many as you display. Now... your point?


It's frankly stupid to say that someone has multiple mentalities unless you're accusing them of having a multiple personality disorder.

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Equivocating will get you nowhere. I've demonstrated on these 10 + pages HOW YOU ARE NOT READY.


Can I do anything to demonstrate readines? Reply with one of: Yes, no, maybe, don't know.

If yes or maybe, then how?

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You can count the number of times you've had to backtrack, cover up, etc., etc., etc.


Is it "wrong" to admit being wrong about something? Reply with one of: Yes, no, maybe, don't know.

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You've been BEGGING for quite some time.


Maybe I should avoid all polite English expressions to avoid aggravating you? Reply with one of: Yes, no, maybe, don't know.

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Plenty of people have disagreements. There near polar disagreements over Bill Cosby... Plenty of posters "living to tell about it."

Get over yourself. As much as you want to be special... you are not (special).


I meant whites who disagree over AA.

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Ummmm.... Most people, who after registering, with an interest in posting at forums consider themselves as... merely a new poster among those who have been there longer than themselves. Most people don't come with any other "intention" other than participating - even when invited.

You, on the other hand, had an agenda.


You still haven't said what my agenda is.


What

is

my

agenda

?


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You came here looking for something. Simply put, you came here to TAKE AWAY.


I want to take away your opinion on what to do to end white supremacy. What's the 2nd step after declaring the constitution to be null and void?

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Not add.

God forbid. Roll Eyes
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You came here with a bunch of crazy assumptions.


List 5. I double-dog-dare ya.

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First things first, I'm actually white.

Now, that was "actually" weighing on your brain, how much? I mean, did you feel you gave people the impression that you were "actually" something else?


This is an African American board. I was told it was mainly African American. I didn't want it to seem like I'm hiding my identity.

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And why would you assume posting, after an invitation, would be "against the rules"?


If you had actually read my introduction thread, you would have seen that I was banned from another African American forum for posting the exact same intro post.

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And I've been telling you that you aren't ready to have a discussion, new or old. That's the CONSTRUCTIVE feedback I've been giving you.


Do you know what "constructive feedback" means?

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You and all your MENTALITIES filled with all those awkward assumptions and crazy agendas


Now don't do something crazy like actually listing any of these assumptions or agendas...

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are, as I said, NON-STARTERS. That you would ask to "start" a discussion shows the error in your thoughts.

You are free to post here as you will. I have been free in telling you:

"There really is no room for an intelligent conversation when your language (and, hence, mentality) of engagement is no more sophisticated than that."

HINT: You haven't changed your mentality/mentalities - i.e. the underlying motive and assumptions you came here with.

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Yes or no? Why is that so difficult to answer???


I've answered you. What's so hard for you to understand? I told you rather clearly, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR VIEWS ARE. Period.


Then why are you responding to my posts?

Why bring up this crap with "Language of Engagement", "agendas", "mentality", etc ad nauseam if you don't care about anything I have to say anyway?
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I told you rather clearly, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR VIEWS ARE. Period.


Then why are you responding to my posts?


I'm not responding to any of your posts about YOUR VIEWS (on AA, Race Relations, etc.) otherwise you wouldn't be asking me if "I want to start over."

Learn what the hell CONTEXT is and make your questions fit the specified CONTEXT as opposed to committing the fallacy of losing focus, purposely, on what you know is being referred to. Sorry, New Jack... Those little ploys do not and will not help you.

That you can't conceive of a point without this over-reliance on Rhetorical Questions (i.e. LOADED QUESTIONS) begging as you do... Well, it's so telling. Me responding to you about how you've approached this forum and your awkward attempts to get a conversation is wholly different from discussing, let alone caring about your views (on AA, Race Relations, etc.).

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I'm asking you to elaborate on that answer.

Why are you refusing to do so?


Such is my perogative, especially when I only intended to address your initial question. Somehow, you got confused and thought that you got a green light for this ONE-WAY conversation YOU WANT.

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This must be the 5th or more time that I've asked.


5 or more times you've wasted your cyber-breath and acted like you couldn't hear.

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I think that you will continue posting indefinitely, ignoring everything.


Yeah, I can flow... Your point?

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It's frankly stupid to say that someone has multiple mentalities unless you're accusing them of having a multiple personality disorder.


UNINTELLIGIBLE!!!

You're stupid for approaching this forum with both of those MENTALITIES. I could give a damn if you call it a disorder or not. But it's your problem (clearly outlined), not mine.

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Can I do anything to demonstrate readines? Reply with one of: Yes, no, maybe, don't know.


I already told you. But your M.O. is to "ignore everything."


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Is it "wrong" to admit being wrong about something?


It's stupid to think you can use that as a ploy to get a conversation YOU WANT while obviously not changing anything about your core, fundaMENTAL and underlying assumptions.

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Maybe I should avoid all polite English expressions to avoid aggravating you?


Use whatever English you like. I'm not one to care about "civility" and such things. STOP BEGGING and appreciate the irony.

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I meant whites who disagree over AA.


What difference does it make whether the person is Black or White? A disagreement is a disagreement, especially when the stated reasons are born of the same ideas?

So, yes! Appreciate the irony and behold your ignorant assumption(s).

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You still haven't said what my agenda is.


Your BEGGING Agenda. Again, YOU WANT a conversation. Oops! You said a "discussion" but it's clear you have a strange concept of what that is.

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You came here looking for something. Simply put, you came here to TAKE AWAY.

I want to take away your opinion on what to do to end white supremacy.


Nope!! You stated purpose and reason for this and the other thread, your whole purpose and AGENDA for being here was declared to be something other than that. You don't and won't get to TAKE AWAY and leave those initial pretenses. You don't get a discussion you want. A ONE-WAY conversation.
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Originally posted by ZeusTKP:

List 5. I double-dog-dare ya.


ASSUMPTION #1:
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This is an African American board. I was told it was mainly African American. I didn't want it to seem like I'm hiding my identity.


"Actually"... The bulk of your problems, as long since discussed, is due to your AGENDA of trying to HIDE your intentions. The DISTRACTIONS thread sorta lays it out. But you already know how your thread(s), particular this one, did not put forth your genuine motive and reason for starting the thread(s).

ASSUMPTION #2... That people would GIVE A F~CK what your opinion is about Race Relations (the BOGUS theme of yours), Affirmative Action, etc.

ASSUMPTION #3... You figured your MISPLACED and MISDIRECTED perspective on Race Relations, AA, etc. would fertile ground for some of what the DISTRACTION thread is about and how your MISGUIDED focus would not be exposed. In fact, you were caught off guard and made a pure azz (a pure dumb azz) out of yourself.

ASSUMPTION #4... You thought you were going to get away with bring your Bush-League D-game to this forum and actually present something formidable in the way of your (basic) arguments, views, etc. You EXPOSED yourself in nothing flat with your sophomoric tactics and low-grade, low-success, low-intelligence language.

ASSUMPTION #5... You thought somebody would give damn about your being White.

Say something else... I can keep going.

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If you had actually read my introduction thread, you would have seen that I was banned from another African American forum for posting the exact same intro post.


And this shows even more of your problematic MENTALITIES... lol It also shows another of your IGNORANT ASSUMPTIONS.

I guess all Black/African-American oriented forums are alike. Oh but thanks for EXPOSING yourself.


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Do you know what "constructive feedback" means?


Sorry, dude... We don't have that type of relationship or rapport. Maybe you'll be able to figure out what I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR VIEWS ARE means some time in the next 50 years.
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
This is pure comedy. Only a man obsessed with his own privilege


"obsessed with my own privilege"? Roll Eyes

What is that even supposed to mean?

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would demand a "Yes, no, maybe, don't know" answer to his loaded questions. laugh


OK, "Yes, no, maybe, don't know, loaded question."
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
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I told you rather clearly, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR VIEWS ARE. Period.


Then why are you responding to my posts?


I'm not responding to any of your posts about YOUR VIEWS (on AA, Race Relations, etc.) otherwise you wouldn't be asking me if "I want to start over."

Learn what the hell CONTEXT is and make your questions fit the specified CONTEXT as opposed to committing the fallacy of losing focus, purposely, on what you know is being referred to. Sorry, New Jack... Those little ploys do not and will not help you.

That you can't conceive of a point without this over-reliance on Rhetorical Questions (i.e. LOADED QUESTIONS) begging as you do... Well, it's so telling. Me responding to you about how you've approached this forum and your awkward attempts to get a conversation is wholly different from discussing, let alone caring about your views (on AA, Race Relations, etc.).


Surely, you didn't miss this part:
Why bring up this crap with "Language of Engagement", "agendas", "mentality", etc ad nauseam if you don't care about anything I have to say anyway?
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
ASSUMPTION #1:
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This is an African American board. I was told it was mainly African American. I didn't want it to seem like I'm hiding my identity.


"Actually"... The bulk of your problems, as long since discussed, is due to your AGENDA of trying to HIDE your intentions. The DISTRACTIONS thread sorta lays it out. But you already know how your thread(s), particular this one, did not put forth your genuine motive and reason for starting the thread(s).


You didn't actually list any assumptions that I have.

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ASSUMPTION #2... That people would GIVE A F~CK what your opinion is about Race Relations (the BOGUS theme of yours), Affirmative Action, etc.


I didn't assume that. I asked questions, people were free to answer or not to answer.

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ASSUMPTION #3... You figured your MISPLACED and MISDIRECTED perspective on Race Relations, AA, etc. would fertile ground for some of what the DISTRACTION thread is about and how your MISGUIDED focus would not be exposed. In fact, you were caught off guard and made a pure azz (a pure dumb azz) out of yourself.


That's not even coherent.

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ASSUMPTION #4... You thought you were going to get away with bring your Bush-League D-game to this forum and actually present something formidable in the way of your (basic) arguments, views, etc. You EXPOSED yourself in nothing flat with your sophomoric tactics and low-grade, low-success, low-intelligence language.


No... no game. Just questions. Only you people and freeconservatives.com accuse others of "playing games".

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ASSUMPTION #5... You thought somebody would give damn about your being White.


Again, I had no assumption of any reasonable behavior from anyone on here.

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Say something else... I can keep going.


Something else.
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Originally posted by ZeusTKP:

Surely, you didn't miss this part:
Why bring up this crap with "Language of Engagement", "agendas", "mentality", etc ad nauseam if you don't care about anything I have to say anyway?


And I know you didn't miss how I pointed out how IRRELEVANT that was (I'm not responding to any of your posts about YOUR VIEWS (on AA, Race Relations, etc.). It being OUT OF CONTEXT and all.

And I've already explained ad nauseam why I've had to inform you about your lack of a Language of Engagement.

There really is no room for an intelligent conversation when your language (and, hence, mentality) of engagement is no more sophisticated than that.


What part of that don't you understand?
What part of that has to do with the actual "discussion" you keep begging for?

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You didn't actually list any assumptions that I have.


Yeah, okay. Roll Eyes

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I didn't assume that. I asked questions, people were free to answer or not to answer.


Hmmm.... Curious. Very curious.

"I'm asking you to elaborate on that answer.
Why are you refusing to do so?"


You do have a strange concept of "FREEDOM."

Yes or no? Why is that so difficult to answer???

A strange... strange concept of "FREEDOM."

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Only you people and freeconservatives.com accuse others of "playing games".


Oh no. Not a "YOU PEOPLE" sighting. nono

Dude, you have been clearly disingenuous, if not flat out dishonest about what you wanted this thread, e.g., to be about. That's the definition of playing games. All this begging ("why?"... "why?"... I'd do it. Why can't you?) is all your little SEE THROUGH attempt to play games.

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Again, I had no assumption of any reasonable behavior from anyone on here.


Ha!! That's right up there with your "YOU PEOPLE" crack. lol

You're a freakin' riot!
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
And I've already explained ad nauseam why I've had to inform you about your lack of a Language of Engagement.

There really is no room for an intelligent conversation when your language (and, hence, mentality) of engagement is no more sophisticated than that.


How can there be an "intelligent conversation" if you don't care about anything I have to say no matter how I say it?
Dude, your question assumes that I give a f~ck about said "conversation." I DON'T.

You, on the other hand, DO. So, your question to me is asinine. YOU CARE ABOUT and WANT a conversation. So it's all important TO YOU (not me) how you can help bring that conversation about.

I am not obligated nor will any amount of your BS have me oblige you by having the conversation YOU WANT. So....

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How can there be an "intelligent conversation" if you don't care about anything I have to say no matter how I say it?


Your question is UNINTELLIGIBLE - i.e. it doesn't make sense given the CONTEXT. You're asking me a question when I don't give a sh*t about the question, the answer or answering such an asinine question.

What is your point (in asking such a stupid question)?

And that "no matter how I say it" BS is complicated by this other BS of yours:
Why bring up this crap with "Language of Engagement", "agendas", "mentality", etc ad nauseam if you don't care about anything I have to say anyway?

Hmmm.... Now, since you persist in calling it "CRAP" then any of the times you pretended like you were going to "say things" in a certain way, different from the low-brow BS you started out with... All that shows is how PHONY that pretense was in the first place.

So, THERE CAN BE NO INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION when you will try to FAKE anything just to get the conversation YOU WANT.


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ZeusTKP: "Don't you think that you have anything to gain by having at least a cordial relationship with whites like me?"

Nmaginate: I don't care what your position or argument is. To me, it is immaterial. You've stated you're against AA, etc. I don't care why. It's not important to me. And no. I don't have anything to gain from a One Way 'conversation' with you.

Like I said, YOU obviously have NOTHING you can add. Your asinine litany of questions = proof that you can do nothing but SUBTRACT.

So, no. Given how that is the case, and your mentality is what it is... NO there will be no conversation because YOU just don't know how to have one. And that's all on you. You came here with all that baggage.

You want someone to talk to you. I don't give a damn about the conversation you want one way or the other. Again, to me, what you have to say is IMMATERIAL. Unimportant.

Now what seems to be your problem?


Okay... I'll rephrase you:

NO. I "don't you think (I) have anything to gain by having [a conversation with] whites like you?"

Now, here's one clear and indisputable DUMB azz ASSumption of yours.

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"Don't you think that you have anything to gain by having at least a cordial relationship with whites like me?"


You tried that frame before. Obviously, you ASSUME (ignorantly) that I don't have "cordial" relationships (whatever the hell that is) with Whites, like you (or otherwise, perhaps).

That's just TOO STUPID! As if you know what type of "relationships" I have.

GAME OVER.
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Originally posted by ZeusTKP:
"obsessed with my own privilege"? Roll Eyes

What is that even supposed to mean?


Hmmm...
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Originally posted by ZeusTKP:
No... no game. Just questions. Only you people and freeconservatives.com accuse others of "playing games".

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Originally posted by ZeusTKP:
Again, I had no assumption of any reasonable behavior from anyone on here.

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sleep sleep sleep
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Originally posted by ZeusTKP:
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
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Originally posted by ZeusTKP:
No... no game. Just questions. Only you people and freeconservatives.com accuse others of "playing games".

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*sigh* that refers to you people on this message board only. You don't speak for all blacks.

You see... this is your sense of White Entitlement getting in your way. No, I don't speak for all African Americans. Nor have I given that impression. However, I don't speak for all people on this message board either. Nor have given that impression.

You are the one who said, "you people". Who are you talking to? No one else on either of your threads has talked about "you people". Everyone has been addressing you and your statements. But, when you respond to something Nmaginate posted... all of a sudden it's "you people". The only reason you saw fit to use such a stupid phrase is because you already had your battle lines drawn before you started. You came in here to prove a point to us "people". But, your ignorance and lack of experience with the subject matter (and your rather obvious biases) make that impossible.

Again, this is why no one is taking you seriously. You keep trying to make a point regarding a subject you know nothing about. The vast majority of your questions (even the loaded ones) have been answered. Now, do you have anything else to offer... other than loaded questions? If not, then get on with your life.
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
You see... this is your sense of White Entitlement getting in your way.


Care to elaborate on that? (No, I'm not holding my breath.)

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No, I don't speak for all African Americans. Nor have I given that impression. However, I don't speak for all people on this message board either. Nor have given that impression.

You are the one who said, "you people". Who are you talking to?


Virtue, blaqfist, Kweli4Real, Nmaginate and you.

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No one else on either of your threads has talked about "you people".


Yeah, there's only one of me.

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Everyone has been addressing you and your statements. But, when you respond to something Nmaginate posted... all of a sudden it's "you people". The only reason you saw fit to use such a stupid phrase is because you already had your battle lines drawn before you started.


What's that supposed to mean?

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You came in here to prove a point to us "people".


I asked questions. You GUYS didn't want to answer them because you can't get over how much you don't like me and my views.

In any case, how can I prove something to you that's not true? Are you afraid that I'm going to change your thoughts?

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But, your ignorance and lack of experience with the subject matter (and your rather obvious biases) make that impossible.


But you don't want to even discuss the subject matter. Right? You don't want to discuss anything with me, not even my "ignorance". Right?

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Again, this is why no one is taking you seriously. You keep trying to make a point regarding a subject you know nothing about.


Then why is it so hard to point out my mistakes?

Why can't you say:
"Zeus, you are making the following assumptions:
Assumption 1
Assumption 2
Assumption 3
etc

These assumptions are wrong. The facts are:
Fact 1
Fact 2
Fact 3
etc"

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The vast majority of your questions (even the loaded ones) have been answered.


What kind of idiot answers a loaded question?

If a question is loaded, you say so. And then point of the false assumption.

If I ask you: "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

Don't answer the question. Say: "Zeus, that's a loaded question. It makes the implicit assumption that I beat my wife. That's not the case."

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Now, do you have anything else to offer... other than loaded questions? If not, then get on with your life.


Heh, now we're to the "get a life" part of the discussion? I'm getting on with my life just fine, thank you very much.
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Originally posted by ZeusTKP:
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
You see... this is your sense of White Entitlement getting in your way.


Care to elaborate on that? (No, I'm not holding my breath.)

I take things one step at a time. I don't see any point on elaborating on anything until you've finished studying institutional racism.

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No, I don't speak for all African Americans. Nor have I given that impression. However, I don't speak for all people on this message board either. Nor have given that impression.

You are the one who said, "you people". Who are you talking to?


Virtue, blaqfist, Kweli4Real, Nmaginate and you.

This is too funny! I agree with most of what K4R posts, but he's the exception. I disagree with Nmag, Blaqfist, and Virtue, far more often than I agree. But, it would seem that one of the rare things we all agree on is that you are full of shit. Someone should put this on a calender or something...

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No one else on either of your threads has talked about "you people".


Yeah, there's only one of me.

Stupid... there's only one of me too. That's why that "you people" phrase makes you look so retarded.

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You came in here to prove a point to us "people".


I asked questions. You GUYS didn't want to answer them because you can't get over how much you don't like me and my views.

Bullshit. Your questions were answered. I don't know you, so whether I "like" you or not is irrelevent and unappreciable.

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In any case, how can I prove something to you that's not true? Are you afraid that I'm going to change your thoughts?

Remember that "agenda" Nmag has been refering to? Why should we state your agenda, when you keep stating it so clearly?

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But, your ignorance and lack of experience with the subject matter (and your rather obvious biases) make that impossible.


But you don't want to even discuss the subject matter. Right? You don't want to discuss anything with me, not even my "ignorance". Right?

More useless rhetoric. We can't have a discussion regarding something you know nothing about. Go and read something (accurate) about institutional racism... then you can have a discussion about Affirmative Action. Go and read something (accurate) about slavery... then you can have a discussion about Reparations. Go and read something (accurate) about White Supremacy... then you can have a discussion about race relations.

Until you do that... you're just blowing smoke.

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Again, this is why no one is taking you seriously. You keep trying to make a point regarding a subject you know nothing about.


Then why is it so hard to point out my mistakes?

It's not hard... it's ridiculously easy. Several people have done it several times. It's so easy that most of us seem to have gotten bored with it.

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Why can't you say:
"Zeus, you are making the following assumptions:
Assumption 1
Assumption 2
Assumption 3
etc

These assumptions are wrong. The facts are:
Fact 1
Fact 2
Fact 3
etc"

Nmag did all that... and very accurately I might add. I see very little point in repeating it, since you won't get it the second time around either.

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