Zakar has sparked my interest in this topic
Have you been disappointed by women? How so?
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Oh boy, this is going to a doosy! 
Yes I have been disappointed in women. I was in a relationship with a young lady, I allowed her to move in with me, I busted my ass paid all the bills, helped her get a job,and I was always concerned about making sure we grew together. She basically decieved me, told me what she thought I wanted to hear,and was really only concerned about what she wanted to do. All along she was still in love with her first love, (who left her for a white girl)and when I caught on to it she tried to blow it off as them just being friends. Im like if you have been broken up with this dude for over a year, and you have a new phone , why is his number in there. To make a long story short, she betrayed me, and I havent spoken to her since.
I am in no ways perfect, I am sure Ive hurt women, but i never betrayed anyone. Thats a feeling I wouldnt wish on anyone.
On general note. Just from laying back observing women, most seem to be attracted to men that look like they got something going on, nice car, flashy clothes, got women chasing them. They love a dude like that. Seems to me most women get off on men who they think are bad boys, but are really frontin.
Also women say men are all about sex and things like that. But it seems to me women are just as bad or worst. If you can put it down in the bedroom, nine times out of ten they will basically put up with anything else. Their idea of a man it seems to me is strictly physical, they say its emotional, but to me her emotions are tied to sex.
Most women I meet say they are intelligent and want a man thats intelligent as well, are really not deep , really not concerned about anything intellectually stimulating , they only care about how you can make her feel. Dont get me wrong knowing how to please your woman in the bedroom is important, but that to me is a small piece in building a strong productive relationship. I know plenty of dudes with nothing going on but the bedroom and they seem to always keep women. Any man that wants to respect a woman for the totallity of what they are are often seen as weak. I was joking with one of my friends the other day. we were like if you say hello, how you doing today sweetheart, a woman will look at you like your crazy, but if you say whatsup shorty they start skinnin and grinin, im rambling i know but just some of the instances
I am in no ways perfect, I am sure Ive hurt women, but i never betrayed anyone. Thats a feeling I wouldnt wish on anyone.
On general note. Just from laying back observing women, most seem to be attracted to men that look like they got something going on, nice car, flashy clothes, got women chasing them. They love a dude like that. Seems to me most women get off on men who they think are bad boys, but are really frontin.
Also women say men are all about sex and things like that. But it seems to me women are just as bad or worst. If you can put it down in the bedroom, nine times out of ten they will basically put up with anything else. Their idea of a man it seems to me is strictly physical, they say its emotional, but to me her emotions are tied to sex.
Most women I meet say they are intelligent and want a man thats intelligent as well, are really not deep , really not concerned about anything intellectually stimulating , they only care about how you can make her feel. Dont get me wrong knowing how to please your woman in the bedroom is important, but that to me is a small piece in building a strong productive relationship. I know plenty of dudes with nothing going on but the bedroom and they seem to always keep women. Any man that wants to respect a woman for the totallity of what they are are often seen as weak. I was joking with one of my friends the other day. we were like if you say hello, how you doing today sweetheart, a woman will look at you like your crazy, but if you say whatsup shorty they start skinnin and grinin, im rambling i know but just some of the instances
quote:Originally posted by MBM:
What about you?
Peace,
Khalliqa
quote:Originally posted by The one and only ME:
Zakar has sparked my interest in this topic
Have you been disappointed by women? How so?
I have yet to hear a man NOT disappointed in some way...
but men are human, I'm sure just as there are women that disappoint them... and there are those that fill their heart...
depends on the woman...
and their compatibility...
Peace,
Khalliqa
quote:Originally posted by The one and only ME:
Zakar has sparked my interest in this topic
Have you been disappointed by women? How so?
Yes.
The list of why and how so is to long to put down here.
quote:Originally posted by The one and only ME:
Zakar has sparked my interest in this topic
Have you been disappointed by women? How so?
yes, but i've learned a very valuable life lesson from my past experiences...'You can't give someone caviar, when all they want is tuna fish!!'
quote:Originally posted by xxGAMBITxx:
Yes.
The list of why and how so is to long to put down here.
Just a brief summary would suffice..
*Also please mention what you did to her*
quote:Originally posted by qty226:quote:Originally posted by xxGAMBITxx:
Yes.
The list of why and how so is to long to put down here.
Just a brief summary would suffice..
*Also please mention what you did to her*
....*trying to open up this big can of worms I see. *The high ability to decieve, manipulate, and undercut a good thing.
The only thing I did was drop them like a bad habit, on the curb in the rain when I got fed up.
Gambit........i see youre trying to 'slide', out of this one...
quote:Originally posted by qty226:
Gambit........i see youre trying to 'slide', out of this one...
Moi? "Slide"? Never...
quote:Have you been disappointed by women?
Of course!
quote:How so?
The list is too long.
The entire nation is filled with scandalous broads, born again virgins, reinvented hoes, and disloyal sistas.
quote:Originally posted by Shango67:quote:Have you been disappointed by women?
Of course!quote:How so?
The list is too long.
The entire nation is filled with scandalous broads, born again virgins, reinvented hoes, and disloyal sistas.
Good lawd!quote:Originally posted by xxGAMBITxx:quote:Originally posted by The one and only ME:
Zakar has sparked my interest in this topic
Have you been disappointed by women? How so?
Yes.
The list of why and how so is to long to put down here.
Forgive me, but I am beginning to see a pattern here.
Could this be the communication issue that women speak of? You expect us to uphold a certain standard-tell you what we want, need, give you our life history but you can't even be bothered with us when we are trying to find out what "WE" as women can do to improve ourselves in the eyes of the black man..........? (That is the ultimate goal of this topic, FOR ME)
Could this be the communication issue that women speak of? You expect us to uphold a certain standard-tell you what we want, need, give you our life history but you can't even be bothered with us when we are trying to find out what "WE" as women can do to improve ourselves in the eyes of the black man..........? (That is the ultimate goal of this topic, FOR ME)
quote:Originally posted by The one and only ME:
Forgive me, but I am beginning to see a pattern here.
Could this be the communication issue that women speak of? You expect us to uphold a certain standard-tell you what we want, need, give you our life history but you can't even be bothered with us when we are trying to find out what "WE" as women can do to improve ourselves in the eyes of the black man..........? (That is the ultimate goal of this topic, FOR ME)
This is a fair question. I'll do my best in trying to answer it:
For me it's simple. Take THAT ONE friend that every woman has. You know the that to her face you go "Yeah girl;do yo thang girl" to but in your mind your shaking your head and thinking "what the hell is wrong with you?". Take that friend, examine her actions, thoughts and just her general life processes and DON'T BE HER OR LIKE HER!
But thats just me and my thoughts......
one and only -
You're new here; let me school you on how things usually go down around here.
Example 1: Woman launches into rant thread about how terrible men are.
95% of the ladies co-sign
Men defend themselves or proclaim that they and their friends do not engage in subject of rant.
Ladies say we are being dishonest and continue to rant, often with little regard for the language used or civility.
Example 2: Man launches into rant thread about how terrible women are.
80-85% of men co-sign
Ladies deny that the behavior occurs, then suggest that ultimately men are the reason the women being ranted about behaved the way they did.
If a lady happens to agree with the male rant, she is quickly shouted down or accused of having some issue (suck-up, brainwashed, naive, unenlightened).
Ladies then relaunch the rants from their threads, overrunning the male poster's thread.
Read through some old threads in the Den, Sista's Spot, and Dating/Relationships. We know how it happens around here; we open up, only to be told our perceptions aren't valid - it's tiring & annoying; so when someone new, possibly with good intentions, posts this type of question, many of us are skeptical.
Lucy's pulled the football away too many times...
You're new here; let me school you on how things usually go down around here.
Example 1: Woman launches into rant thread about how terrible men are.
95% of the ladies co-sign
Men defend themselves or proclaim that they and their friends do not engage in subject of rant.
Ladies say we are being dishonest and continue to rant, often with little regard for the language used or civility.
Example 2: Man launches into rant thread about how terrible women are.
80-85% of men co-sign
Ladies deny that the behavior occurs, then suggest that ultimately men are the reason the women being ranted about behaved the way they did.
If a lady happens to agree with the male rant, she is quickly shouted down or accused of having some issue (suck-up, brainwashed, naive, unenlightened).
Ladies then relaunch the rants from their threads, overrunning the male poster's thread.
Read through some old threads in the Den, Sista's Spot, and Dating/Relationships. We know how it happens around here; we open up, only to be told our perceptions aren't valid - it's tiring & annoying; so when someone new, possibly with good intentions, posts this type of question, many of us are skeptical.
Lucy's pulled the football away too many times...
Yes, D, I am new here and, trust me, it is not my intention to disclaim anyone's views or opinions. I was asking for real life examples/experiences. Not perspective (which we all know can be questioned).
I don't know any of the other sistas on the site so I can only speak for myself when I say that the only way to "fix" this is to fully communicate the issues and look for REAL ways to adjust...... I mean, if its too late for me, let me teach my daughters to be "good" women in the eyes of society-MOST importantly, the black man.
I don't know any of the other sistas on the site so I can only speak for myself when I say that the only way to "fix" this is to fully communicate the issues and look for REAL ways to adjust...... I mean, if its too late for me, let me teach my daughters to be "good" women in the eyes of society-MOST importantly, the black man.
Have I been disappointed by a woman? Of course. Many times.
How so? By her allowing her friends into our relationship. She began treating me the way her friends treated their unfaithful, irresponsible domineering men; even though, she acknowledged that I exhibited none of those traits.
By her [a different woman] being unfaithful. When we got together she made no bones about her desire to be a "stay-at-home take care of the house" woman. I had no problem with that. I made enough $$$ to meet our financial needs. Her fling was with a hustlin' Bad Boy. He was my polar opposite. I discovered the affair after a week when he stole some money and beat her a$$.
By her [a different woman] refusing to grow beyond where she was, despite my encouragement and support. This was a bright woman who refused to pick up a book; she would rather watch sit-com reruns after she came home from her cashiering job. She actually turned down a promotion because it would've interfered with her TV watching.
By her [a different woman] refusing to allow me to grow beyond where I was. She was an attempted dream-killer. enuff said.
By her [a different woman] spending every dime I made, while b!tching and moaning that I worked too much.
But all of these disappointments taught me lessons and made me the man that I am today. So, I can complain.
How so? By her allowing her friends into our relationship. She began treating me the way her friends treated their unfaithful, irresponsible domineering men; even though, she acknowledged that I exhibited none of those traits.
By her [a different woman] being unfaithful. When we got together she made no bones about her desire to be a "stay-at-home take care of the house" woman. I had no problem with that. I made enough $$$ to meet our financial needs. Her fling was with a hustlin' Bad Boy. He was my polar opposite. I discovered the affair after a week when he stole some money and beat her a$$.
By her [a different woman] refusing to grow beyond where she was, despite my encouragement and support. This was a bright woman who refused to pick up a book; she would rather watch sit-com reruns after she came home from her cashiering job. She actually turned down a promotion because it would've interfered with her TV watching.
By her [a different woman] refusing to allow me to grow beyond where I was. She was an attempted dream-killer. enuff said.
By her [a different woman] spending every dime I made, while b!tching and moaning that I worked too much.
But all of these disappointments taught me lessons and made me the man that I am today. So, I can complain.
quote:Could this be the communication issue that women speak of? You expect us to uphold a certain standard-tell you what we want, need, give you our life history but you can't even be bothered with us when we are trying to find out what "WE" as women can do to improve ourselves in the eyes of the black man..........? (That is the ultimate goal of this topic, FOR ME)
Here is a start...
1) Don't fuck your man's brother, best friend, cousin, and / or enemy
2) Don't sleep with your girlfriend... unless I am invited.
3) Be where you say you are
4) Keep your pants on in the company of another man.
5) Don't "overlaugh" in the company of another man.
6) When you are in a relationship with a dude, DO NOT PURSUE "FRIENDSHIPS" WITH OTHER MEN."
7) Don't talk to OTHER men about your relationship.
8) Stay out of situations your man would not appreciate.
9) Never go on a vacation without your man.
10) Male friends you had before your relationship with your current man or husband, must be put on CHILL mode.
11) It is okay to dance with another dude at a party or club. It is NOT okay to allow him to rub up on your ass.
12) Do not accept MONEY or GIFTS from any man when you are in a relationship. No HOOKUPS either. And I don't care if your car catches fire in the company parking lot, do not accept a ride from a cat who you KNOW is jocking you.
Chew on this list for awhile....
quote:Her fling was with a hustlin' Bad Boy. He was my polar opposite. I discovered the affair after a week when he stole some money and beat her a$$.
And you know what's so funny... when you catch these broads on the foul, they have the NERVE to break up with you as if your SNOOPING was the straw that broke the back.
Fuck the Jedi Mind Trick...
I ALWAYS check into my girl's life; especially when I see some funny shit going on.
Doesn't matter who the woman is... they ALL CHEAT. Can't help themselves.
You know what... I need to leave this discussion. I am about to bust a pipe thinking about the skullduggery of these sistas.
quote:Originally posted by ddouble:
one and only -
You're new here; let me school you on how things usually go down around here.
Example 1: Woman launches into rant thread about how terrible men are.
95% of the ladies co-sign
Men defend themselves or proclaim that they and their friends do not engage in subject of rant.
Ladies say we are being dishonest and continue to rant, often with little regard for the language used or civility.
Example 2: Man launches into rant thread about how terrible women are.
80-85% of men co-sign
Ladies deny that the behavior occurs, then suggest that ultimately men are the reason the women being ranted about behaved the way they did.
If a lady happens to agree with the male rant, she is quickly shouted down or accused of having some issue (suck-up, brainwashed, naive, unenlightened).
Ladies then relaunch the rants from their threads, overrunning the male poster's thread.
Read through some old threads in the Den, Sista's Spot, and Dating/Relationships. We know how it happens around here; we open up, only to be told our perceptions aren't valid - it's tiring & annoying; so when someone new, possibly with good intentions, posts this type of question, many of us are skeptical.
Lucy's pulled the football away too many times...
Yep, and as soon as Charlie Brown goes off about how Lucy yanks the football, resulting in him busting his ass, then she has the NERVE to cuss out Charlie Brown, "How dare your bald-headed, dead Christmas tree purchasing, blockhead ass get mad at me, while I take my precious time and energy to exclusively treat you like shyt in front of your face, instead of behind your back."
quote:Originally posted by The one and only ME:
Forgive me, but I am beginning to see a pattern here.
Could this be the communication issue that women speak of? You expect us to uphold a certain standard-tell you what we want, need, give you our life history but you can't even be bothered with us when we are trying to find out what "WE" as women can do to improve ourselves in the eyes of the black man..........? (That is the ultimate goal of this topic, FOR ME)
Here are a couple of blast from the past that represent my feelings
1
2
I was also trying to find the old post where I went into great detail about my first wife. We meet in seminary. When we got married, she had finished the course work for her doctorate and the plan was for her to take a couple years finishing her dissertation while I worked, and then she would reciprocate while I went back to get mine. We had also planned on starting a family around that time, we both wanted kids. Two years turned into 8, all the while, she refused to work, refused to do much of anything around the house, refused to start a family (she said that she would not have kids until she had finished giving birth to her dissertation
), spent all day watching TV and chatting on the Internet, eventually becoming romantically entangled with a couple of folks she met there. NOTE: This is really just the tip of the iceberg. Its also important to remember that I was a minister, working as a college chaplain in small close-knit communities. The stress of trying to deal with the situation, my job, and my community expectations triggered a major depressive episode. Even her parents took my side in what was going on. Finally, though I got her to do marriage counseling, she refused to change or compromise, so I had to get out to save what little mind I had left. I heard that she did get her degree, though it took her another 2 or 3 years and an obscene amount of debt, which I fortunately did not share.
Shango: LOL. Talk about breaking it down! 
quote:Originally posted by ddouble:
one and only -
You're new here; let me school you on how things usually go down around here.
Example 1: Woman launches into rant thread about how terrible men are.
95% of the ladies co-sign
Men defend themselves or proclaim that they and their friends do not engage in subject of rant.
Ladies say we are being dishonest and continue to rant, often with little regard for the language used or civility.
Example 2: Man launches into rant thread about how terrible women are.
80-85% of men co-sign
Ladies deny that the behavior occurs, then suggest that ultimately men are the reason the women being ranted about behaved the way they did.
If a lady happens to agree with the male rant, she is quickly shouted down or accused of having some issue (suck-up, brainwashed, naive, unenlightened).
Ladies then relaunch the rants from their threads, overrunning the male poster's thread.
Brotha are you taking lessons from the Associated Press?? Men defend themselves, but women deny?? 80-85% of the men co-sign?? Puh-lease! Try 99.9999% cosign and one brotha in the back silently watches it all go down. Hmph!
The one and only me, don't you fall for these guys' crap!
quote:Originally posted by Frenchy:
Try 99.9999% cosign and one brotha in the back silently watches it all go down. Hmph!
Peace,
Khalliqa
quote:Originally posted by Shango67:quote:Her fling was with a hustlin' Bad Boy. He was my polar opposite. I discovered the affair after a week when he stole some money and beat her a$$.
And you know what's so funny... when you catch these broads on the foul, they have the NERVE to break up with you as if your SNOOPING was the straw that broke the back.
Fuck the Jedi Mind Trick...
I ALWAYS check into my girl's life; especially when I see some funny shit going on.
Doesn't matter who the woman is... they ALL CHEAT. Can't help themselves.
You know what... I need to leave this discussion. I am about to bust a pipe thinking about the skullduggery of these sistas.
Shango,
Between you and Zane, I finally have all the confirmation of the fact that ladies cheat as much as men and that the so-called air or allusion of wholesomeness is just that..an overblown and overstated allusion to persisently shift and devert self-responsibility around.
quote:Originally posted by folobatuyi:
Shango,
Between you and Zane, I finally have all the confirmation of the fact that ladies cheat as much as men and that the so-called air or allusion of wholesomeness is just that..an overblown and overstated allusion to persisently shift and devert self-responsibility around.
Felix...
I really hope you don't believe that EVERY woman will cheat on you....
Peace,
Khalliqa
Brother Felix-
When I actively hung out with a crew of single women, I saw & heard things that violate "the code" - stuff that ladies do & think, but keep on the hush amongst themselves. Trust me, the potential to do vile things to one's partner in a relationship is not just a male practice. IMO, women simply cover their tracks better, that's all. But in the end K is right, there are plenty of honorable ladies out there. But until you find one, work on your stiff arm technique.
When I actively hung out with a crew of single women, I saw & heard things that violate "the code" - stuff that ladies do & think, but keep on the hush amongst themselves. Trust me, the potential to do vile things to one's partner in a relationship is not just a male practice. IMO, women simply cover their tracks better, that's all. But in the end K is right, there are plenty of honorable ladies out there. But until you find one, work on your stiff arm technique.
quote:Originally posted by ddouble:
Brother Felix-
When I actively hung out with a crew of single women, I saw & heard things that violate "the code" - stuff that ladies do & think, but keep on the hush amongst themselves. Trust me, the potential to do vile things to one's partner in a relationship is not just a male practice. IMO, women simply cover their tracks better, that's all. But in the end K is right, there are plenty of honorable ladies out there. But until you find one, work on your stiff arm technique.
quote:Originally posted by Huey:quote:Originally posted by ddouble:
Brother Felix-
When I actively hung out with a crew of single women, I saw & heard things that violate "the code" - stuff that ladies do & think, but keep on the hush amongst themselves. Trust me, the potential to do vile things to one's partner in a relationship is not just a male practice. IMO, women simply cover their tracks better, that's all. But in the end K is right, there are plenty of honorable ladies out there. But until you find one, work on your stiff arm technique.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
DDouble is MY hero
quote:Shango,
Between you and Zane, I finally have all the confirmation of the fact that ladies cheat as much as men and that the so-called air or allusion of wholesomeness is just that..an overblown and overstated allusion to persisently shift and devert self-responsibility around.
Well said!
quote:Felix...
I really hope you don't believe that EVERY woman will cheat on you....
Peace,
Khalliqa
DON'T LISTEN TO HER!
They ALL cheat!
In some form or another...
quote:Originally posted by Shango67:
DON'T LISTEN TO HER!
They ALL cheat!
In some form or another...
I really wanted to stay out of this, because i got the hint that women never listen.
But....i have to tell you, that i have NEVER cheated.
To me, it takes up too much time and energy. After my feelings have changed.....for whatever reason, i bounce. (and trust, i have no problems doing that)
Theres no need for me to chill with a person that im not interested in, etc.
Not all women cheat.
quote:Originally posted by qty226:quote:Originally posted by Shango67:
DON'T LISTEN TO HER!
They ALL cheat!
In some form or another...
I really wanted to stay out of this, because i got the hint that women never listen.
But....i have to tell you, that i have NEVER cheated.
To me, it takes up too much time and energy. After my feelings have changed.....for whatever reason, i bounce. (and trust, i have no problems doing that)
Theres no need for me to chill with a person that im not interested in, etc.
Not all women cheat.
But women like you seem to be to few and to far between. Like ddouble stated: we need to use the stiff arm nowadays. No more taking chances....
quote:Originally posted by xxGAMBITxx:
But women like you seem to be to few and to far between. Like ddouble stated: we need to use the stiff arm nowadays. No more taking chances....
Question...
Have all of the women, in your life........cheated on you?
Tell the truth....
quote:Originally posted by qty226:quote:Originally posted by Shango67:
DON'T LISTEN TO HER!
They ALL cheat!
In some form or another...
I really wanted to stay out of this, because i got the hint that women never listen.
But....i have to tell you, that i have NEVER cheated.
To me, it takes up too much time and energy. After my feelings have changed.....for whatever reason, i bounce. (and trust, i have no problems doing that)
Theres no need for me to chill with a person that im not interested in, etc.
Not all women cheat.
Rule # 63,257...
NO STIFF ARM FOR QTY!
DDOUBLE...
I have shared the STIFF ARM discussion with some of my boys via email, and we have been rolling all morning.
You are a god here in NY!
STIFF ARM!
I love it!
I have shared the STIFF ARM discussion with some of my boys via email, and we have been rolling all morning.
You are a god here in NY!
STIFF ARM!
I love it!
quote:Originally posted by qty226:quote:Originally posted by xxGAMBITxx:
But women like you seem to be to few and to far between. Like ddouble stated: we need to use the stiff arm nowadays. No more taking chances....
Question...
Have all of the women, in your life........cheated on you?
Tell the truth....
Only been cheated on twice (to the best of my knowledge). Both women thought (in their words) that if they cheated it would make me jealous and therefore (in my view) more pliable to their demands.
Both found themeselves on the curb with no cab/bus fare. Oh and the dudes they slept around with, oddly enough, were not there to help them. Funny that...
I tell people damn near every day, those petty tactics will work on mere mortals, but Gambit is in a whole nother class.
quote:Originally posted by Shango67:
DDOUBLE...
I have shared the STIFF ARM discussion with some of my boys via email, and we have been rolling all morning.
You are a god here in NY!
STIFF ARM!
I love it!
Yeah I emailed my brother too. It should be all over Ohio by friday night.