Pull Up Your Pants: The Challenge and Trap of Respectability Politics

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"I'm just trying to make a way out of no way, for my people" -Modejeska Monteith Simpkins

 

AFRICAN AMERICA IS AT WAR

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON AFRICAN AMERICA

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON AFRICAN AMERICANS

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA

AMERICA'S RACISTS HAVE INFILTRATED AMERICAN POLICE FORCES TO WAGE A RACE WAR AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA

THE BLACK RACE IS AT WAR

FIRST WORLD WAR:  THE APPROXIMATELY 6,000 YEAR WORLD WAR ON AFRICA AND THE BLACK RACE

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White men are always flashing themselves in their drawers on television.  When they do, you say, "Where the hell is it?"  Black men are NEVER in their drawers on TV because it'll be POW DOW.  That's the difference and that's what has white men in a tizzy always in this country, against our males.

 

If a young white male's pants are saggin' no one notices; could be a girl, for all one knows at first glance.  Black men saggin' put the white man on sexual alert. He worries about all the females in his family right down to the dog. That's when he cocks his gun, aiming at our sons.

  Ok.  Read it.  Still say that respectability starts in the home, community and then out in the world.  All these academic jargoners can say what they want but if they wanna revisit the time when we were at our brilliance?  They need to look at how it was done.  And first off.......respect for yourself, your family, community.  That's not happening currently.  As why in my view black killings are at an all-time high.  Cuz even when we at our best....listen to me here..WE WERE STILL BEING KILLED.  Only this time with the assistance of the black community.  Just like Boko brought havoc upon his OWN people based on a different mindset....SO DID THE BLACK GANGS who destroyed three generations of black folks.  So until we get back to the basics?  No amount of politically correct jargon gonna save the next black boy from being KILLED by the police or killed by someone who LOOKS just like HIM.  

 

Cuz the bottom line?  We don't respect each other.  We. Don't. Respect. Each Other.  So all this stuff expressed in the above article?  Is nothing more than conjecture as far as I'm concerned cuz as long as black kids are STILL killing each other...that means "killing each other today"  and justifying it by saying they were disrespected?  The killings or the genocide of our people by our OWN people and the police will continue....  Just saying,  But!

Originally Posted by Kocolicious:

  Ok.  Read it.  Still say that respectability starts in the home, community and then out in the world.  All these academic jargoners can say what they want but if they wanna revisit the time when we were at our brilliance?  They need to look at how it was done.  And first off.......respect for yourself, your family, community.  That's not happening currently.  As why in my view black killings are at an all-time high.  Cuz even when we at our best....listen to me here..WE WERE STILL BEING KILLED.  Only this time with the assistance of the black community.  Just like Boko brought havoc upon his OWN people based on a different mindset....SO DID THE BLACK GANGS who destroyed three generations of black folks.  So until we get back to the basics?  No amount of politically correct jargon gonna save the next black boy from being KILLED by the police or killed by someone who LOOKS just like HIM.  

 

Cuz the bottom line?  We don't respect each other.  We. Don't. Respect. Each Other.  So all this stuff expressed in the above article?  Is nothing more than conjecture as far as I'm concerned cuz as long as black kids are STILL killing each other...that means "killing each other today"  and justifying it by saying they were disrespected?  The killings or the genocide of our people by our OWN people and the police will continue....  Just saying,  But!

 

 

I think his point is, that African Americans should have "respectability", but that it should be genuine, real, and not just 'for show', not fake, and especially, not just 'for show' merely to front to White people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

  I understand my sista.  But my point is if you have respect already ingrained in you....respectability will be genuine and sincere.  You can't develop something you don't have in the first place.  And in the last 30 years or so....respectability in the black community was MURDERED by gang bangers.  We as a group HAD respect for ourselves and our families....we worked hard and as a result was able to pull outta that despair massa said was because we were subhumans.  Fast forward today....you can't tell me that black folks RESPECT each other.  Maybe some....not all...especially the young people.  And this is just my opinion....and as a rule I look at articles like this as filabustering...cuz the point is missed that the GLOW of respect is GONE in the black community ...and it left with ongoing murders of our youth by our youth.  So for me?  I'm not gonna dismiss that.  Yes massa expects us to be a certain way but he had us as slaves....so what the hell does he know?  He's a monster!  However when you wanna talk about respect in the black community that's a whole different animal all together.  

 

See?  It's more than that.  A lotta black men [and some black women] don't love their children enough to wanna take care of them.  Some black men talk about black women as if these women are not responsible for bringing life into the world that continues black culture.  Something's not right about that as why many new blacks have revisited the "minstrel show" or for a better term "wearing the mask."   This is nothing new.  And that's why I say that it all comes from home....first.  Respect, self-love, altrusim....all of it including black love.  It is very complicated I know....however I still stand by what I've said.  For the reasons I've mentioned above.  But!  

Originally Posted by Kocolicious:

  I understand my sista.  But my point is if you have respect already ingrained in you....respectability will be genuine and sincere.  You can't develop something you don't have in the first place.  And in the last 30 years or so....respectability in the black community was MURDERED by gang bangers.  We as a group HAD respect for ourselves and our families....we worked hard and as a result was able to pull outta that despair massa said was because we were subhumans.  Fast forward today....you can't tell me that black folks RESPECT each other.  Maybe some....not all...especially the young people.  And this is just my opinion....and as a rule I look at articles like this as filabustering...cuz the point is missed that the GLOW of respect is GONE in the black community ...and it left with ongoing murders of our youth by our youth.  So for me?  I'm not gonna dismiss that.  Yes massa expects us to be a certain way but he had us as slaves....so what the hell does he know?  He's a monster!  However when you wanna talk about respect in the black community that's a whole different animal all together.  

 

See?  It's more than that.  A lotta black men [and some black women] don't love their children enough to wanna take care of them.  Some black men talk about black women as if these women are not responsible for bringing life into the world that continues black culture.  Something's not right about that as why many new blacks have revisited the "minstrel show" or for a better term "wearing the mask."   This is nothing new.  And that's why I say that it all comes from home....first.  Respect, self-love, altrusim....all of it including black love.  It is very complicated I know....however I still stand by what I've said.  For the reasons I've mentioned above.  But!  

 

You're right about how the Black community has lost the respect we used to have and that used to be demanded from us.  I see it in how young people speak to older people and the things young people will do in front of older people.  

 

But, really, it's not just the Black community, it's ALL of America in general.  I mean, every time I'm making a purchase and some young girl (or guy) (or fetus) calls me "sweetie" or "hone"(short for honey) or "dear" or "baby", I just want to slap the sh!t out of them.

 

Often, I will state clearly that my name is . . . ., and I'm old enough to be your mother, so don't call me "sweetie" or "hone" or "dear"; and that's usually the only way I put a stop to it, with them, but no sooner than I make that clear, I'm confronted with the same thing at the next location, etc.  

 

But, sadly, too, is the fact that many of our young people are that way because of how many adults and older people have blurred the lines between the two groups in the first place.  

 

And even sadder is fact, as you referenced, ( "You can't develop something you don't have in the first place"), the fact that most of these young people have never even been taught even the most basic rules of respect; they don't even know what the big deal is; they don't even know in many cases, that they are being disrespectful.  

 

When I was coming up, you did not call a woman old enough to be your mother, or a man old enough to be your father, honey, or hone' or sweetie or dear; you called them by their name, and if you didn't know their name, you said "Ma'am" or "Sir" or "Mrs./Miss" or "Mr.",  If adults were around, you didn't let them here you use profanity or hear you talking about anything you couldn't talk with them about.  Now, you can walk past teenagers or young people who won't skip a beat using profanity of talking about God knows what and know that you can hear them.  And the way I see all this, unless it is turned around soon, any semblance or being respectful or "respectability" between the two groups is going to be lost forever.  

Sista Sunnubian wrote:  

You're right about how the Black community has lost the respect we used to have and that used to be demanded from us.  I see it in how young people speak to older people and the things young people will do in front of older people.  

 

But, really, it's not just the Black community, it's ALL of America in general.  I mean, every time I'm making a purchase and some young girl (or guy) (or fetus) calls me "sweetie" or "hone"(short for honey) or "dear" or "baby", I just want to slap the sh!t out of them.

 

Often, I will state clearly that my name is . . . ., and I'm old enough to be your mother, so don't call me "sweetie" or "hone" or "dear"; and that's usually the only way I put a stop to it, with them, but no sooner than I make that clear, I'm confronted with the same thing at the next location, etc.  

 

But, sadly, too, is the fact that many of our young people are that way because of how many adults and older people have blurred the lines between the two groups in the first place.  

 

And even sadder is fact, as you referenced, ( "You can't develop something you don't have in the first place"), the fact that most of these young people have never even been taught even the most basic rules of respect; they don't even know what the big deal is; they don't even know in many cases, that they are being disrespectful.  

 

When I was coming up, you did not call a woman old enough to be your mother, or a man old enough to be your father, honey, or hone' or sweetie or dear; you called them by their name, and if you didn't know their name, you said "Ma'am" or "Sir" or "Mrs./Miss" or "Mr.",  If adults were around, you didn't let them here you use profanity or hear you talking about anything you couldn't talk with them about.  Now, you can walk past teenagers or young people who won't skip a beat using profanity of talking about God knows what and know that you can hear them.  And the way I see all this, unless it is turned around soon, any semblance or being respectful or "respectability" between the two groups is going to be lost forever.  

 

  Exactly my sista.  That is the REAL crisis in our community.  The crack and gang banging period caused a lot of black parents to drop the ball.  They choose drugs and a destructive lifestyle in place of their children.  A lot of children have been passed around from foster care to foster care.....and who's teaching them anything?  And frankly, I don't think they know what the definition of respect IS.

 

 Surely the black guys who killed that black woman for laughing don't know.  And a lot of it is our fault.  There's no way I would let my children disrespect any person old enough to be their parents or grandparents.  You're right the lines have blurred....but!  I blame the flooding of different cultures who come here with disrespect for women already in place. Some black parents wanting to be their children's friend instead of mom and dad.  And the awful mistake of having the kids THINK that they are on the same level as adults.  Big mistake.

 

 And let's not forget the flash of the $100 tennis shoe and the got to have it $400 iphone.  Our priorities are now MATERIAL and a [fake] status many blacks are trying to achieve.  So RESPECT must start at home.  No way my sons would call any woman old enough to be their aunt let alone their mother....sweetie,,,,,baby....mama...  When it happens to me...I tell them just say I look nice cuz I'm old enough to be your grandma...and I don't have a problem telling them that.  One young guy attempted to call me suga one day at the shoe store...and we battled back and forth and he finally agreed to call me mama-cakes.  He was 17!  And working.  So I let him slide.  But it's true my sista.  We gotta start teaching them YOUNG...before they can talk good...the right way to behave and to speak in public.  Cuz it REALLY is a life or death situation and today's black parents[some of em] just don't know.  BTW:  We won't even talk about cussing....cuz it appears that it is now a new language like pig latin teens just have to use.  They think it's cute and cool.  And it's neither.  But!  

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