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If this isn't the case then the only conclusion we have left with is to insert a few socially conscious black people in these racist institutions.


And clearly, by what I said, those FEW BLACK people will neither change or forward the Independence process by some DELUSIONAL Infiltration theory.

That was clear. What I said I WANTED was clear.
Again, I posted that very passage. I own what I said. But none of that equates to what you claimed. PERIOD.

That portion doesn't equate to what I WANT(ED). PERIOD!

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Why would you be concerned about changing institutions if you want to achieve independence from them?
You are dumb. If they/something is CHANGED then it is not the same. If something is completely changed then, naturally, you are free from what it was. Further, I was clear that I wasn't talking about Separatism, STRAW MAN.

WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVE I talked about?

Keep coming with your Scorned, IMPOTENT logic.
This is very entertaining.
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
You still need help?

Yep, you're a liar.
You're a fucking liar.
You're a damn liar.
You're a damn liar, Nmaginate
You're a damn liar, Nmaginate
You're a damn liar, Nmaginate
You're a damn liar, Nmaginate
You're a damn liar, Nmaginate
You're a damn liar, Nmaginate


Need any more? tongue


Yeah, I'm going to need you to repeat, YOU'RE A DAMN LIAR, about 398,754,834 more times.
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...then, of course, the goal is to eliminate or lessen the effect of them. Perhaps that can be mitigated by a few socially conscious persons (amongst a sea of people who aren't... as conscious)...


What does, "perhaps this can be mitigated by a few socially conscious persons" mean? Who are these socially conscious people that would mitigate the effect of racist institutions?

You're all up in the ropes, Nmaginate, and there's nowhere for you to go. It's only 1 minute into the first round and you already have a cut above your left eye. You're losing, Nmaginate, you're losing.
You can't read. TO ELIMINATE or LESSEN THE EFFECT of them. By definition, Completely Changing them accomplishes that goal. In the absence of complete changes, changes of whatever scale in combination with the ULTIMATE OBJECTIVE -- Our Own Self-Sustaining Institutions (via a process to build to that point) -- is what should be pursued.

You want to actually pose an intelligent question that advances to some actual point?
I'd appreciate.

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Certainly, these racist instititions, as you have stated earlier, which are banks and lending institutions, that hold billions and billions of dollars, wouldn't be threatened by newly created black banks and lending institutions...
AND???

1) What part of IDEAL Reparations don't you understand? .... and ....
2) What the hell do you think that matters?

REPARATIONS isn't an entitlement for WHITE BANKS and other institutions to use towards their own ends, even if ostensibly in service of Black Reparations. Who gives a FUCK whether they will be "threatened"?

Decide what you want to talk about IDEAL REPARATIONS (in a Blackness thread) or something that's not IDEAL. If you're shooting for "practical or probable" then it seems you're gonna have to create another thread with that as topic and/or theme.

Again, WHO GIVES A FUCK who's threatened by us using our REPARATIONS the way we see fit without a concern for what the fuck they think about.

Now what are the RACIST INSTITUTIONS going to do when threatened? Take our Reparations because we don't give it to them?

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?
You might buck. But I don't.

NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by IRONHORSE:
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**I want someone to find scientific data that links people to exclusive behaviors with race being a source of causation


No, no, no, no, Kevin. See, that's why debating with some of you people is so worthless--you're always trying to take shit so seriously.

There doesn't need to be any scientific data to prove that people use the terminology 'acting white' and 'acting black' everyday. Just like white people use the terminology 'white people' and 'trailor trash' and black people use the word 'cracker' when referring to white people in general, so on and so forth with other cultures.

You're trying to make a scientic experimentation out of something as culturally accepted as a superficial distinctions between what it is to be ignorant and unexposed to what it is to be knowledgible and civilized.



It is not experimentation....this shit is older than you or I. Behaviors an be linked to socioeconomic status...hell I know plenty of black desert trailer-dwellers who want sing in country bands and my homie in portland says that the white kids act like blacks in compton with baggy pants and lowriders....all that schit is associated with their socioeconomic status....I betcha any money that blacks and whites who are wealthy via traditional means outside of athelectics and entertainment live similar lives.....the upscale gated communities in Houston where blacks live are just as clean and quiet as those the whites live in....people in certain class levels tend to emulate each other...unless you think rich blacks are the majority of the blacks who are the ones moving in the trailer parks and you believe rich whites are the majority of whites that emulate urban behaviors down to the level of hanging out, carrying gats and drankin 40's with pit bulls around.....that is not a stereotype either...that is schit i've seen firtshand in Compton. People behave along economic lines....the propogandists have transofrmed it into racial issues to make blacks feel inferior and poor whites feel the same, but still feel they are better than a black....which gives them a level of contenment with theirs....with that, "at least i'm white and american" mindset.

There is nothing at all particular to race that can be scientifically concluded except for certain medical conditions such as sickle cell anemia or something like that. ethnic groups have patterns to their health problems based on dietary and environmental and some genetic factors, but none of that is behavior. The way races are socialized while being segregated brings about patterns of behavior, but that is about it.....when I was in japan, the children were becoming westernized based on the behaviors being pumped to them on MTV and BET which they emulated. Their genetic makeup did not change at all...for them to act black or white....which is a nonexistent term, to act a race.........behaviors are linked to socioeconomic status which in turn determines environment....do you really think the prison industrial complex is really getting a significant share of the upper middle class and upper class black demographic? i doubt it like hell......poverty drives behavior and attaches a certain psychology to some in that predicament.........
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Originally posted by IRONHORSE:

Stop crying, Nmaginate, I'm only throwing rabbit punches at you now. I haven't even thrown any uppercuts or body blows yet.
You have none of the so listed punches. Dude, you ain't even got numbs, so what are you talking about?

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What does, "perhaps this can be mitigated by a few socially conscious persons" mean? Who are these socially conscious people that would mitigate the effect of racist institutions?
Exactly what it says.

IT'S DOUBTFUL and... DELUSIONAL!!
That a few "Socially Conscious BLACKS" (if there are any such people with functional influence) can mitigate - i.e. lessen - the effects of the racist institutions.

But even on the very thing I DOUBT ("perhaps" by definition), unlike you, I'm cool with it. Go ahead. Do it. BUT I PREFER this (Building Our Own) for this reason.

Elementary, truthful and honest reading of what I said. PERIOD. Stop making yourself look dumb.

As always (and as Straw Men do) even your question about Who Are the Socially Conscious People is/was UNFOUNDED. Again, I quoted the relevant contextual info. on Page 1 here. There is no doubt WHO I was talking about and what I thought about them (read: DOUBT):

As if "these racist institutions" are producing Socially Conscious Blacks.

Please come with the Power Punches. Because these T-Ball League "jabs" of yours are doing even the punch count trick!

Infilration = DELUSIONAL! PERIOD!
But I can see how you figured I WANTED to insert SC Blacks, etc. lol

Too fuckin' funny! Big Grin
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You can't read. TO ELIMINATE or LESSEN THE EFFECT of them. By definition, Completely Changing them accomplishes that goal.


Oh, I can read alright, Nmaginate. Your problem is you can't accept that you contradicted yourself 50,000 posts ago.

Again, why would you want to do anything to a racist white institution when you want to achieve independence and self-sufficiency?

It would seem that if we got reparations we would have more than enough funding to build our own banks and lending institutions without any involvement of racist banks and lending institutions, however, you said you wanted to ELIMINATE or LESSEN the effect of these racist banks and institutions.

Are you afraid of these racist institutions? Wouldn't the success of our black banks and lending institutions send racist banks and institutions running for the hills? You can't have both, Nmaginate--you can't want to erect new black banks and businesses and change racist banks and lending institutions at the same time. You either do one or the other.

The success of black banks and businesses should be enough competition to make these racist banks and institutions want to change, especially after these black banks and institutinos would pull blacks as well as other races of people from these racist white institutions.

Yeah, Nmaginate, this is all what you have IMAGINED.

You read too many comic books, Nmaginate.
You crack me the fuck up, Nmaginate, because you don't even have the ability to "imagine" rationally. I've only skimmed your ideas for reparations as well as this bullshit you're talking about of creating black banks and businesses--if it were up to a fool like you, Nmaginate, our reparations would be spent before we saw one penny of it go into anything.

Do you realize how many TRILLIONS of dollars it would take to start up, fund, and maintain all of these private black schools, black banks and black lending institutions? You're out of your mind, Nmaginate, and this trash about leaving it up to black people to regulate their own tax dollars??

Oh my God...somebody help this fool...and I thought Blaqfist's idea of giving get out of jail free cards to felons was a bad idea.

I'm going to enjoy taking your ideas for reparations apart, paragraph by paragraph.

27 days and counting............
Kevin41,

You know discussing socio-economic behavior patterns that have been falsly linked to race to give excuses for the continued oppression and exploitation of the masses of our people in particular and humanity in general is way too serious a subject, and it makes debating/discussing issues with people that think like you worthless!
Razz
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
Kevin41,

You know discussing socio-economic behavior patterns that have been falsly linked to race to give excuses for the continued oppression and exploitation of the masses of our people in particular and humanity in general is way too serious a subject, and it makes debating/discussing issues with people that think like you worthless!
Razz


Run on sentences out the ass.

I thought this was beneath you, Oshit, I mean, Oshun?

I thought you said you were going to "Ignore Ironhorse Conversations?"

Another liar.
There is NO CONTRADICTION.

Are you afraid of these racist institutions?

What the fuck are you talking about?
I'm afraid of banks... lol

Diary of the Absurd

Wouldn't the success of our black banks and lending institutions send racist banks and institutions running for the hills?

More absurdity. At least stick with your prior premise. But maybe I was wrong. When you said the [WHITE] "Racist" banks would be "threatened" I would have never figured you were talking about them Running For The Hills... LMAO!

I could give a FUCK where they run. Forward you thesis directly... Instead of this silly shit. Like I'm suppose to care what WHITE Banks have to say/think upon the Advent of REPARATIONS serviced by BLACK BANKS.

Spell it out BOY!! What are they gonna do that YOU ARE SCARED OF?

Now, all-of-a-sudden, you're considering WHITE BACKLASH. What? Are the going to be RACE BANK WARS or something breaking out?

Speak up BOY!

You can't have both, Nmaginate--you can't want to erect new black banks and businesses and change racist banks and lending institutions at the same time.

Well, in truth, you inserted banks here. I was speaking more in terms of government. But, technically speaking, NOTHING makes the two mutually exclusive save your simplistic, EUROCENTRIC EITHER OR mindset.

You either do one or the other.

According to what? According to what rules?
And what part of the *OR* statement didn't you catch in the passage you quoted over and over to no (twisting) avail?

But I did tell you about the EITHER OR shit.
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Well, in truth, you inserted banks here. I was speaking more in terms of government. But, technically speaking, NOTHING makes the two mutually exclusive save your simplistic, EUROCENTRIC EITHER OR mindset.


Damn, Nmaginate, I can tell it's waaaaaaay past your bedtime. First, you just want to achieve independence and self-sufficiency from racist institutions--it took me several pages of back and forth insults before you stopped making generalized statements (racist institutions) and you went from saying racist institutions to saying banks and lending instititions--I bet you gonna say I made that up to, huh?

Then, you go so far as to say you want to create black banks and lending institutions, now you want to control the government? Okay, okay, okay, let me catch my breath here because I'm laughing so hard I think I coughed up a button I swallowed when I was 5 years old.

You're over the top, Nmaginate--you just want shit to pop up out of thin air with no explanation of how we are supposed to get to this level of self-sufficiency. So, what are we going to do--automatically get free land for all of these schools, banks, and lending institutions? are all the infrastructures that will be needed to run these entities just pop up too? Oh, I forgot, all of this is supposed to happen--it better happen because you and every other black citizen in the United States wants it to happen.
Are you going to make the government waive laws that place restrictions on other businesses, oh, I forgot, you want us to control our own taxes to. Damn--you haven't even begun to comprehend the logistics of the scale and time it would take to accomplish all of this bullshit, and somehow, through all this, 220 billion other people in the United States of America are just going to sit there and put up with this bullshit.

This is why nobody is supporting you on this take over the US dream you're talking about. Damn--it would take me 3 days just to BEGIN to point out all of the flaws in your dreams. Damn, Nmaginate, you need to check yourself into a damn mental ward, dude. You're out of your damn mind.

You have to be about the craziest son of a bitch I've ever met on the internet.
Do you realize how many TRILLIONS of dollars it would take to start up, fund, and maintain all of these private black schools, black banks and black lending institutions?

ALL THESE... I never put a number to it.
Reparations "money" have to enter somewhere. REPARATIONS are in TRILLIONS of dollars.

BLACK BANKS already exist.
Black schools already exist, etc., etc.

Again, I put no number on anything in terms of quantity WHEN or WHERE. In fact, I've said it is a PROCESS and in terms of schools (and it goes for all) REPARATIONS should be used to (first) fortify and (then) replicated successful models.

You're out of your mind, Nmaginate, and this trash about leaving it up to black people to regulate their own tax dollars??

Why? Because you think BLACK FOLKS TOO DUMB to do something like that, huh? I guess that follows. Black folk are too dumb as individuals to manage Reparations so, naturally by your HOUSY logic, collectively we're like compounded dumb or something. LMAO!

How you EXPOSE your issues for all to see!

Sorry ass sap! You are entertaining though! bsm

Nmaginate, our reparations would be spent before we saw one penny of it go into anything.

Ha! Ha! I love your SCORNED LOVER lyrics!
None of your CRAB issue objections stack up. Like with everything, you fly off the handle making unfounded ASSumptions to try to make your sorry feel better. Obviously, it still hasn't worked.

Please more Power Punches and Critiques.

You went from talking about how WHITE Banks would feel threatened then your stupid ass retreated into saying BS like "Black Banks are impossible. UNTHINKABLE (for a HOUSY like me, IRONH~)" and "Black Tax Administration/Government is impossible. UNTHINKABLE (for a HOUSY like me, IRONH~)"... That shit, at least that BANK shit, might actually be respectable (in a not really kind of way) if you didn't first try some stupid ass "THE WHITE BANKS! Oh my! Oh my!" angle.

Just shows you're FISH... in my pond... without a pole -- i.e. Ill-Equipped! bang
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Damn--you haven't even begun to comprehend the logistics of the scale and time it would take to accomplish all of this bullshit, and somehow, through all this, 220 billion other people in the United States of America are just going to sit there and put up with this bullshit.
Check you numbers.

FUCK what other people in the US have to say or what they will put up with. REPARATIONS won't be dictated by them. Who gives a shit what they think.

What are they going to do?
Say, "You can't use YOUR MONEY like that."

What the fuck is that?
Dude, I could give a fuck if you agree with what I see as IDEAL... IDEAL.... IDEAL.... REPARATIONS. Seems to me you liked the comfort of that IDEAL when challenged. Just shows how fake you are.

And, yes, I am aware of the LOGISTICS.
So what's your point?

You don't like what I've said?
NOTE TO IRONHORSE.... I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!

So please continue with your (scorned) Critiques and comments. What? Did you think I was going to cry?

Comment on every thing line by line, point by point. Do it a thousand times on every thread in every forum here. As long as you're happy and get that scorn off your chest. I'm cool... I'm cool... cabbage
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ALL THESE... I never put a number to it.


Yeah, I figured that out about 153,497,853 posts ago when you followed me in this discussion on pseudo-blackness, that has nothing to do with your stupid ass ideas on reparations.

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BLACK BANKS already exist.
Black schools already exist, etc., etc.


*GASP* Oh really? hmmmm, well, Pinky, which is what I'm going to start calling you from now on, there aren't even REMOTELY enough existing black banks and schools to take on the whole nation. It takes billions of dollars just to run schools alone, and you can't just start up banks because ou want to. In order for these black banks and schools to maintain their existence some 'racist' banks and schools are going to have to closed down.

You're out of your damn mind, Nmaginate. You know what? you're a fucking idiot and it's clear from all these ignorant ass posts you've made, following me in every forum you see my screename pop up in to continue talking about NOTHING.

Do you have a life? Do you have a woman? Do you even have a DICK to jack off with? I seriously think the answer to all of the above is NONE OF THE ABOVE.

You are out of your damn mind, Nmaginate.
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So, what are we going to do--automatically get free land for all of these schools, banks, and lending institutions?
DUDE? What is REPARATIONS?
(And, yes, LAND is an issue on the table I'm sure. BUT existing institutions have LAND. REPARATIONS MONEY and/or arrangements = LAND.)

What is your problem?

Because you want to be tied to WHITE INSTITUTIONS because you are a HOUSY and you are SCARED, as you had to say so yourself... Doesn't mean I am.

Now, please, speak up my man!
Spell out all of the consequences and repurcussions.

You talked about "threatened WHITE Banks" and some BILLION people (typo or psycho) not wanting to "put up" with it... What does any of that mean? WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO?

I mean, it was you who said:
No Every White Man Is Your Enemy.

So talk to me. None of this muffled shit. Out with it!
All this bullshit you've been preaching about boils down to one thing--I don't give a fuck.

Yeah, that's what you said--I don't give a fuck.

You've have thrown ALL rules of debating on this subject out of the door, therefore, it is no longer a debate. it's just you, yourself, in dire need of attention, and some pussy or, in your case, a dick in your mouth.

You can't rationalize "I don't give a fuck." you can't debate, "I don't give a fuck." You can't contest, "I don't give a fuck."

Admit it, Nmaginate--this isn't about reparations, this isn't about anything in AA.org. this is about your obsession with me.

I knew you were gay all along but you denied it--that's why you're up this late at night. You have no life--admit it.

Admit it, Nmaginate, you've followed me all over AA.org. You have to be where ever I go on AA.org. YOU'RE OBSESSED WITH ME, NMAGINATE.

You're obsessed.

You're obsessed.

You're obsessed.

You're obsessed.

You're obsessed.
Just admit it, Nmaginate--this isn't about reparations. This doesn't have anything to do with any subject in AA.org.

Admit it. You're obsessed with me, Nmaginate.

Your debate has boiled down to, "I don't give a fuck." therefore, you have tapped out of the competition because you can't debate on "I don't give a fuck." You can't rationalize, "I don't give a fuck." You can't take over the government, let alone the entire country on, "I don't give a fuck." YOU LOST.
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In order for these black banks and schools to maintain their existence some 'racist' banks and schools are going to have to closed down.
That shit doesn't add up UNDERCOVER BROTHER.

Who gives a FUCK if WHITE SCHOOLS and BANKS have to close down (assuming they would... nothing automatically says they would)? What does that have to do with REPARATIONS, Housy?

That doesn't detail why BLACK SCHOOLS and BLACK BANKS can't be done. Unless you subscribe to Simon WHITEY Says So. Undercover, Scorned Lover!

Spell it out!
What does WHITE schools (and dude there are existing inner-city schools that are virtually all black/minority... so your idea doesn't hold) and WHITE banks have to do with the REPARATIONS Calculus?

REPARATIONS is an exclusive Black Cost-Benefit Analysis. WHITES, what happens to their institutions, don't factor in.

REPARATIONS is about BLACK PEOPLE not White people. Spell your shit out. I didn't know Reparations was suppose to be a love campaign. lol
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
Kevin41,

You know discussing socio-economic behavior patterns that have been falsly linked to race to give excuses for the continued oppression and exploitation of the masses of our people in particular and humanity in general is way too serious a subject, and it makes debating/discussing issues with people that think like you worthless!
Razz


yeah....it can be lonely being me in that respect...you don't know how many times people tell me to "chill on that black stuff", "who do you think you are Malcolm X"?....I had a sister once tell me in jury duty, "what do you think you are some kinda lawyer".....when I presented my schit thoroughly the next day, she had nothing to rebut it, so she cracked and called me a opmpous arrogant azzhole"...to me that was a badge of honor...it always is a badge of honor to make an adversary crack when they are being nasty, indignant and sarcastic to compensate for their lack of facts to use as a rebuttal....why else would you curse someone out and shout at them when they didn't say shit directly to their azz in the first place? And the cold part about Oshun, when I checked her azz, some brother told me that I should be cool...I told him brother please...you may go through life as a verbal whipping boy but that is not my thing...he said that after I told her in return that "as pretty as you are I see why you are divorced childless bitch, and if you ever address me like that again they will be deliberating my case...now try me.....and the reason I came at her like that is because she was really nasty to this older black lady where that lady had to ask to please let me speak. I guess she was used to going through the worls schitting on people....puleeze...and the cold part about it...it was sad that the older lady had to see two younger blacks act like that, because she was really motherly and we were kool during the week.....but she knew that lady was nasty and did not really trip on it. But maybe people do not know that politness and courtesy is a form of being intelliegent and indignance and sarcasm unwarranted is for the ignorant. I held the door open for her and she "humphed" on through it snorting like a brahama bull.....the story of my life...people take my demeanor and my respect for their intelligence as a weakness and then crack when their azz get checked...i never intiate it either...if you look in this board, you will see all my battles start after someone tells me I'm saying stupid schit without substantiating it....i dealt with enough of people TRYING that schit in academia....and I was only diplomatic there because facts have to be acknowledged....you can't just tell someone what they say is there opinion, not tell them why it is their opinion and not a fact...without ridculing yourself.....i could tell you stories all night about me and people....because i'm kool with everyone and try to be....but I don't give people schit and I don't take theirs.....fair enough huh? geesh....glad i hae allot of energy....fools will burn you out!!!!!
You see, Kevin, there you go again, writing blocks and blocks of information and not starting a new paragraph with each thought.

Also, Kevin, don't get beside yourself--I think the situation is, MBM has spoiled you people--you're so used to MBM popping in every now and then, and rubbing you on the head for writing something that appealed to him, you've become accustomed to wanting instant gratification after every post you've put a little time into.

Furthermore, you people want everyone to agree with whatever opinions and philosophies you present without a differing response, "Oh, you're right, Kevin, I couldn't imagine it any other way." Wrong.

While you may be right in your description of the degrees of blackness as percieved by the media influenced populous of America, your clinical explanation is only just that--clinical. In other words you're only advocating political correctness.

There are different races and cultures on this planet for a reason--there are strengths and shortcomings of the individual races for a reason, which may be indigenous to but not exclusive to one particular race. There is no such thing as one form of right and wrong, civilized and primitive.

Trailor trash and rednecks are indigenous to trailor parks. There may be a negligible number of blacks or hispanics, nevertheless, the predominate population of people in trailor parks are white. Ghetto blacks or hoodrats are indigenous to the projects. Once again, there may be a negligible number of whites or hispanics, nevertheless, the predominant race of people in the projects are black (even though, speaking percentage wise, there are more whites on welfare than blacks).

Rednecks poison of choice is methanphetamine and beer--hoodrat's choice of poison is crack and hard liquor. Now, when you go up the socio-economic ladder to middle and upper middle class people, the differences in morrays and folkways blend more, due to education and having more access, however, once you climb into the upperclass socio-economic level it separates again.

The point is, Kevin, even though you are right in your description, you can't undo centuries of cultural epithets just because you think it's wrong. There will always be certain epithets that will be associated with certain races of people, mainly imposed upon themselves. poor people may have their uncivilized similarities but the way in which poor blacks and poor whites display their uncivilized behavior differs in some cases. The same applies to different races of people of higher socio-economic status.

An aspiring comedian made the statement: "You politically correct people make me sick...you want to be politically correct, then, fine, be politically correct and get mugged. When someone asks you to describe who you got mugged by, just say you was mugged by a person. When they ask you what the person looked like, tell them the person that mugged you looked like people."
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The bottom line....there is no such a thing as acting black --Kevin41


If there is no such thing as 'acting black' then what the hell do you call country ass white kids in the middle of idaho doing--listening to rap, dressing in urban clothing, using black slang, and participating in what could be considered gang activity?

If there is no such thing as 'acting black' then why is there such a thing as 'acting white' where a group of blacks label a black person as 'acting white' because he or she speaks proper english language, befriends people of other races, prefers education to ignorance, and does the right thing even if the right thing isn't popular opinion?


I have always found that statement slightly confusing especially when you challenge people on what it acting black. My kids were always challenged in school for not being black enough, but when I told my kids to challenge the assumption of what is black enough and the people making the accusation, the people being challenged had no clue on how to respond. Their only perception of what is acting black being culled from the media and entertainment industry.

I agree that the if the term "acting white" is accepted then clearly the term "acting black" is just as acceptable, while neither is adequately defined, the definition based on who is using the term and their perception, you just can't dismiss the terms because for whatever reason they are part of how we describe the lifestyle and mannerisms of people.
I posted this in the family section, and think it is relevant to this thread as well.

I just have to share the conversation between my 9 year old daughter and I this morning on the way to school. [My wife was in the car, but remained silent.]

My daughter was describing a TV commercial in with a white kid in a tricked out SUV with music pumping pulls up next to a Black couple. The white kid has his cap cocked to the side and is bobbing his head. He glances over to the Black couple and gives them the "Look at me" nod, and the then shifts into reverse.

I was familiar with the commercial; but in describing the white kid's behavior, my daughter said, "He was acting all Black ..."

I waited for her to finish and then asked her "what do you mean he was acting Black? What is acting Black?" She responded he had his cap turned to the side, he had all that gold around his neck, he had his music up real loud..."

I asked her, "Have you ever seen me with my hat turned to the side?" "How many gold chains do I wear?" "Have you ever heard me with the car radio playing real loud?"

She looked at me and said, "he was acting all thugged out."

I asked her, "Is acting Black the same as acting thugged out? She said, "No, but that what everbody calls it."

I offered, "No, Baby-girl, acting Black is when you got straight A's on your report card. Acting Black is when you got accepted to and won the 'Odyssey of the Mind' competition. Acting Black is when you picked up the cello for the first time three months ago and were selected to play a solo in the year-end concert. For adults, acting Black is when your mother and I get up every morning and go to work so that we can provide for you. Acting Black is making sure you do your homework every night and working with you on the things that you don't quite understand. Acting Black is telling you when you've done something good, and correcting you when you go astray. Acting Black is your mother and me coming into your room every night to kiss you and tell you we love you before you go to sleep. Acting Black is NOT acting like a thug, a clown, or a criminal."
"You see, Kevin, there you go again, writing blocks and blocks of information and not starting a new paragraph with each thought.

Also, Kevin, don't get beside yourself--I think the situation is, MBM has spoiled you people--you're so used to MBM popping in every now and then, and rubbing you on the head for writing something that appealed to him, you've become accustomed to wanting instant gratification after every post you've put a little time into.

Furthermore, you people want everyone to agree with whatever opinions and philosophies you present without a differing response, "Oh, you're right, Kevin, I couldn't imagine it any other way." Wrong." by Ironhorse

Why did you feel the need to begin your post with this? It adds nothing to the thread, other than to incite others to be distracted from what could be an good discussion.

Honestly, your antics are getting tired.
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Why did you feel the need to begin your post with this? It adds nothing to the thread, other than to incite others to be distracted from what could be an good discussion.

Honestly, your antics are getting tired.


That segment at the beginning is precisely what stopped me from responding. There are the scant makings of an engaging thread here, but who wants to respond to the relevant stuff after it's been laced it from the beginning with all of that nonsense? Especially when the author of it is exactly the main person who's guilty of all of the things he's criticizing here, minus the nitpicky point about Kevin's paragraphs.

Too bad I don't have more time to start my blog back up again... putting my thoughts out there for comment without all the craziness was cool when I had more time. Meanwhile, I can have discussions about "acting black" at home, offline, without dealing with all of this internet psycho madness.
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You see, Kevin, there you go again, writing blocks and blocks of information and not starting a new paragraph with each thought.

Also, Kevin, don't get beside yourself--I think the situation is, MBM has spoiled you people--you're so used to MBM popping in every now and then, and rubbing you on the head for writing something that appealed to him, you've become accustomed to wanting instant gratification after every post you've put a little time into.

Furthermore, you people want everyone to agree with whatever opinions and philosophies you present without a differing response, "Oh, you're right, Kevin, I couldn't imagine it any other way." Wrong.

While you may be right in your description of the degrees of blackness as percieved by the media influenced populous of America, your clinical explanation is only just that--clinical. In other words you're only advocating political correctness.

There are different races and cultures on this planet for a reason--there are strengths and shortcomings of the individual races for a reason, which may be indigenous to but not exclusive to one particular race. There is no such thing as one form of right and wrong, civilized and primitive.

Trailor trash and rednecks are indigenous to trailor parks. There may be a negligible number of blacks or hispanics, nevertheless, the predominate population of people in trailor parks are white. Ghetto blacks or hoodrats are indigenous to the projects. Once again, there may be a negligible number of whites or hispanics, nevertheless, the predominant race of people in the projects are black (even though, speaking percentage wise, there are more whites on welfare than blacks).

Rednecks poison of choice is methanphetamine and beer--hoodrat's choice of poison is crack and hard liquor. Now, when you go up the socio-economic ladder to middle and upper middle class people, the differences in morrays and folkways blend more, due to education and having more access, however, once you climb into the upperclass socio-economic level it separates again.

The point is, Kevin, even though you are right in your description, you can't undo centuries of cultural epithets just because you think it's wrong. There will always be certain epithets that will be associated with certain races of people, mainly imposed upon themselves. poor people may have their uncivilized similarities but the way in which poor blacks and poor whites display their uncivilized behavior differs in some cases. The same applies to different races of people of higher socio-economic status.

An aspiring comedian made the statement: "You politically correct people make me sick...you want to be politically correct, then, fine, be politically correct and get mugged. When someone asks you to describe who you got mugged by, just say you was mugged by a person. When they ask you what the person looked like, tell them the person that mugged you looked like people."



*I didn't know I had to follow formal rules of writing in here.....probbaly never will.

Well I guess black people who want to stay mired in their own ignorance can do so....just don't come at me with that schit cuz i'll correct them...just as Kweli corrected his daughter. And when people have opinions that they cannot substantiate...then they are embracing stupidity because there is a comfort zone associated with it.....and everything that is f-ked up about us needs to be changed.....because I do not know what acting black is.....but it seems like a stereotype that indicates ignorance as a norm for black people. I guess acting Asian is studying hard and having good grades...i'd prefer that any day over some ignorant azz niggah stereotype....and once again....describing behavior along color lines as opposed to socioeconomic lines, which trancends race altogether but demonstrates commonalities amongst them....is dumbed-down layman thinking with no scientific or theoretical basis..and if black people normalize that kind of thinking in their kids heads...then I see why some school districts have 80% of black kids labeled as remedial...their parents are pushing them to be underacheivers...along with sending them to f-ked up schools....where they go and write down whatever the fuck they feel like..maybe that is why I never see them carrying books home...they must feel as if they don't need them.

A clinical expression is grounded in academic research....it stands as paramount to anything everday people stand outside and talk about....just like a dictionary definition transcends any layman definition....and in the real world...not the community, hood or homies approval..the formal definition and enunciation is what counts.....and if black people really beleive the shit they say stands like my pal does in here...no wonder there are problems with academic acheivement by many...they lack the self-discipline needed to embrace real schit and fade niggah schit that is only credible in social circles and nowhere else.
*and by the way.....my parents patted me on the head when I was a kid and did a good job...anyone else who touches my head will get their hand broken off and shoved up their azz......you say there is no right or wrong..try to attain higher education, particularly in the sciences..and you will find out real quick what is right and what is wrong....if I do not like nothing else about academia...I like the fact that ignorant people cannot just assign themselves credibility like they do in layman's circles...you have to put up or shut up.....make the grade or just realize that the tuition money is going down the drain........
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*I didn't know I had to follow formal rules of writing in here.....probbaly never will. --Kevin41



Hmmmm. By Faheem's judgement you would be "coping out" because "you can't hang with how we do things around here."

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.....and everything that is f-ked up about us needs to be changed.....because I do not know what acting black is.....--Kevin41


First of all, what part of a third world country or the Milky Way Galaxy are you from? Secondly, even with your clinical description it doesn't eliminate the fact that billions of people of all races and cultures have always been subjected to racial epithets and always will.

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.....but it seems like a stereotype that indicates ignorance as a norm for black people. --Kevin41


If that is the case then the rest of the world is ignorant too and you're the only naively enlightened one(are you an oxymoron?)amongst us. You're right, Kevin--it must be hard being by yourself on planet earth.

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I guess acting Asian is studying hard and having good grades...i'd prefer that any day over some ignorant azz niggah stereotype....--Kevin41


Sounds like your disdain for racial epithets is more personal than clinically oriented. I would love to labeled as studying hard and having good grades too instead of being stereotyped as knowing how to play basketball or running fast or being from the hood or automatically being in the know on the latest slang terminology or being violent, nevertheless, we are labeled, however, it doesn't mean we have to make those stereotypes true. It's not the stereotypes that hurt us, it's the fools that perpetuate those stereotypes that do.

I get sick and tired of seeing a black man face down in somebody's front yard by some police officer on the TV show, "COPS" for running, I got tired a long time ago of seeing stereotypical black sitcoms (thanks, Bill), and black sitcoms, period (thanks HBO's version of Soulfood), as if everything about black life is funny and trivial--sprinkled everynow and then with a touch of a serious episode, dealing with drugs or pregnancy to somehow maintain that show's credibility.

Then again, you have to think--asians are poorly represented in TV shows and even more unfairly represented in movies (thanks, Bruce Lee) as ass-kicking masterful martial artists that kick ass all over the screen but don't get any ass. So, which stereotype do you want, Kevin? You want to be stereotyped as "black men generally have bigger dicks and are great lovers" or "Asian men have small penises." Take your pick.

....describing behavior along color lines as opposed to socioeconomic lines, which trancends race altogether but demonstrates commonalities amongst them....is dumbed-down layman thinking with no scientific or theoretical basis..and if black people normalize that kind of thinking in their kids heads...then I see why some school districts have 80% of black kids labeled as remedial...their parents are pushing them to be underacheivers... --Kevin41

You keep preaching to the choir, Kevin, however, what I keep seeing from your expressions is that you localize all of your thoughts to how you think society should be and that people, in general, are wrong for not thinking like you. The majority of people on planet earth are followers, Kevin, which can clearly be seen if you did a little quantitative research on AA.org--take a little random sample of some of these nuts on this site--many of these people exist within the same mentality of what you describe but they think they are somehow different because they are capable of expressing themselves adequately online, which has nothing to do with how they interact in real life. A person on this site could be a literary genius but socially inept in person.

A lot of the 'dumbed-down layman thinking' is clearly evident in the jealous, envious discussion, Blaqfist, made to make fun of my picture.

I checked that forum out and thought I was back in elementary school, "Who does he think he is...nyahh, nyahh, nyahh...we hate you because we don't understand you, and you don't think like us." That is truly some hilarious shit--grown ass people making fun of a picture--grown ass, insecure men having their masculinity threatened to the point of unprovokingly telling me their weight and height and Fagunwa telling me where he wanted to meet me so we could--fight?

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A clinical expression is grounded in academic research....it stands as paramount to anything everday people stand outside and talk about....just like a dictionary definition transcends any layman definition....and in the real world...not the community, hood or homies approval..the formal definition and enunciation is what counts.....and if black people really beleive the shit they say stands like my pal does in here...no wonder there are problems with academic acheivement by many...--Kevin41


Be careful, Kevin. You're begining to dangerously sound like Bill Cosby or John McWhorter. You know most of these pseudo-intellectuals on this site hate those two men with a passion.

......you say there is no right or wrong..try to attain higher education, particularly in the sciences..and you will find out real quick what is right and what is wrong....--Kevin41

First of all, I didn't say there is no right or wrong--I said there is no one version of right and wrong. Secondly, and once again, you're preaching to the choir. I've done enough quantitative research at the graduate level in the classroom and enough qualititive research in the social wellness workshops I've held on various college campuses to know exactly what the problem is.
i don't sound shit like Bill...he was running his damn mouth in a rhetorical way....I am saying FACTUALLY there are school districts in amerikkka where 80% of the black kids are labeled as remedial.......period



Bro, if you went to grad school then you know damn well what PEOPLE call something does not mean shit...it is the factual information that stands in the end....now if people want to bask in a layman's world that requires less thought and leaves them less informed...so be it....that's on them


and as so far as the world is..i don't give a schit....because I have followed the advice of my parents first...and my own second...and the results have been stellar.....so i want everyone to do what they like....but please shut the fuck up when their thinking is realized to be some dumb shit.....that is the only problem I have with people....you cannot tell em shit because they are going to do what they want to....but when schit backfires, they are willing to sit their desperate azzes down and listen.....but f-k em then.......I don't have time to be post-validated and seen as credible when people want to see me as such.....

i don't have a disdain for schit in terms of stereotypes because none of the schit applies to me...i had a BSEE, MPA & PHD by 34 and I still had/got a poor man's Kobe jumpshot and always scored higher than the white kids from grade school up.....so that old athelete can't be an intellectual and vice versa bullschit is just that...bullschit......me and my boys used to refer to ourselves at the awards ceremonies as the spooks who ruined the group photo...we wonder if our faces are cut out of the picture in the white kids homes :-) ...and when people ask me how I went to school and I tell them scholarship, they always ask me what did i play.....and i tell them not a gotdamn thing...now that is a stereotype for real.........so anywhere I go I strive to come out on top......and since I was a child...i never gave a f-k what people thought.....my family gave me all the self-confidence I needed...and my parents held me to standards that made me have to say f-k what everyone was talking about.......and that is one thing about me...i am a person...not a character....no stereotype for blacks stick to me bro...whether it is basketball, crime, being dumber than the white kids with lower test scores or all of that schit....you might want to talk to the individuals that have so much hatred for black people.......because they are mad they are one......that is not my problem and not my issue to resolve....i'm kool on it all.....and move ahead by my dammy....I just try to share the love...but if no one wants it....fuck em all.....big and small..........so there is no need to attach issues to me....i don't have none...i come from a balanced ass background with progressive azz parents and siblings....I love both of my parents the same and don't have favorites at all amongst us...my parents were married 56 years before my pops passed....and he raised me in a way jews raise their sons......where they think like men before 13 years old..so he prepared us well..so well, all 5 of us finished college without needing a penny from our parents...man on our 13th birthday our dad used to give us the occupational handbook and the us book of schools and colleges...told us to figure out what we wanted to be and how we ws going to become it....and we had until our 18th birthday to present our plan...and we couldn't stay at home unless we were in school...he didn't want our money to pay him rent or for schit else....fly the coop otherwise...which we all did anyway...at 18...I was the last one out......we are real balanced....no prison no drugs, no out of wedlock births...hell they do not even drink....i drink brew...like a f-king Texan......so i'm kool on it all because my immediate crew is kool and none of us have ever needed each other for money, advice or nothing...and if i was smart like my family....i would only speak to people who want to make some sense....I am the diplomat in the family..i always believed that you could convince an ignorant motherf-ker of anything...they don't see it like that....they believe in distancing themselves.....which is what I should do...and eventually I probably will.....if i'm smart...but the bottom line is...i'm not walking around with all those damn issues people who think and do like they want to give themselves....i am a logical and emotionally grounded brother....which makes you do a whole lot less dumb schit over the course of a lifetime....so i'm kool...i just want to remain non-dsyfunctional and progressive......and I will be a problem to no one.....at all.......I come from a black neighborhood in texas that is middle class and looks the exact same as it did when we were kids.....those are the kinda black people I was raised around...industrious, respectful with a great work ethic.....THOSE are the stereotypes I created for my dammy...and those are the only kind of black people I emulate..the rest seem caught up to me......but still I have a spot in my heart for them....but i don't want to be schit like them......i'm out....Go Spurs!!!!!
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
i don't sound shit like Bill...he was running his damn mouth in a rhetorical way....I am saying FACTUALLY there are school districts in amerikkka where 80% of the black kids are labeled as remedial.......period



Bro, if you went to grad school then you know damn well what PEOPLE call something does not mean shit...it is the factual information that stands in the end....now if people want to bask in a layman's world that requires less thought and leaves them less informed...so be it....that's on them


and as so far as the world is..i don't give a schit....because I have followed the advice of my parents first...and my own second...and the results have been stellar.....so i want everyone to do what they like....but please shut the fuck up when their thinking is realized to be some dumb shit.....that is the only problem I have with people....you cannot tell em shit because they are going to do what they want to....but when schit backfires, they are willing to sit their desperate azzes down and listen.....but f-k em then.......I don't have time to be post-validated and seen as credible when people want to see me as such.....

i don't have a disdain for schit in terms of stereotypes because none of the schit applies to me...i had a BSEE, MPA & PHD by 34 and I still had/got a poor man's Kobe jumpshot and always scored higher than the white kids from grade school up.....so that old athelete can't be an intellectual and vice versa bullschit is just that...bullschit......me and my boys used to refer to ourselves at the awards ceremonies as the spooks who ruined the group photo...we wonder if our faces are cut out of the picture in the white kids homes :-) ...and when people ask me how I went to school and I tell them scholarship, they always ask me what did i play.....and i tell them not a gotdamn thing...now that is a stereotype for real.........so anywhere I go I strive to come out on top......and since I was a child...i never gave a f-k what people thought.....my family gave me all the self-confidence I needed...and my parents held me to standards that made me have to say f-k what everyone was talking about.......and that is one thing about me...i am a person...not a character....no stereotype for blacks stick to me bro...whether it is basketball, crime, being dumber than the white kids with lower test scores or all of that schit....you might want to talk to the individuals that have so much hatred for black people.......because they are mad they are one......that is not my problem and not my issue to resolve....i'm kool on it all.....and move ahead by my dammy....I just try to share the love...but if no one wants it....fuck em all.....big and small..........so there is no need to attach issues to me....i don't have none...i come from a balanced ass background with progressive azz parents and siblings....I love both of my parents the same and don't have favorites at all amongst us...my parents were married 56 years before my pops passed....and he raised me in a way jews raise their sons......where they think like men before 13 years old..so he prepared us well..so well, all 5 of us finished college without needing a penny from our parents...man on our 13th birthday our dad used to give us the occupational handbook and the us book of schools and colleges...told us to figure out what we wanted to be and how we ws going to become it....and we had until our 18th birthday to present our plan...and we couldn't stay at home unless we were in school...he didn't want our money to pay him rent or for schit else....fly the coop otherwise...which we all did anyway...at 18...I was the last one out......we are real balanced....no prison no drugs, no out of wedlock births...hell they do not even drink....i drink brew...like a f-king Texan......so i'm kool on it all because my immediate crew is kool and none of us have ever needed each other for money, advice or nothing...and if i was smart like my family....i would only speak to people who want to make some sense....I am the diplomat in the family..i always believed that you could convince an ignorant motherf-ker of anything...they don't see it like that....they believe in distancing themselves.....which is what I should do...and eventually I probably will.....if i'm smart...but the bottom line is...i'm not walking around with all those damn issues people who think and do like they want to give themselves....i am a logical and emotionally grounded brother....which makes you do a whole lot less dumb schit over the course of a lifetime....so i'm kool...i just want to remain non-dsyfunctional and progressive......and I will be a problem to no one.....at all.......I come from a black neighborhood in texas that is middle class and looks the exact same as it did when we were kids.....those are the kinda black people I was raised around...industrious, respectful with a great work ethic.....THOSE are the stereotypes I created for my dammy...and those are the only kind of black people I emulate..the rest seem caught up to me......but still I have a spot in my heart for them....but i don't want to be schit like them......i'm out....Go Spurs!!!!!


...it is unfortunate, that some people never leave ghetto mentality, no matter how much education is bestowed upon them. You can take some people out of the "Ghetto" but you can't remove the "Ghetto" from them!

Just means that games like "Ghettopoly" can also include some of the so-called university educated who talk, speak, and write, as if, they never left the back alleys and gutters of the "Hood"!

..Sure can't competently represent yourself, or anyone else, be it as a defendant, a plaintiff, an attorney, a newscaster, a clergyman, an electrician, a homemaker, a custodian, etc., etc., when every other word mentioned is profane.

Personally, I don't see any value in profane language anywhere, under any circumstance!


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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I do not even understand what a ghetto mentality is...please explain that to me......I never was in a ghetto in the first place to be removed out of...sorry to disappoint ya.....you sound like a racist white that thinks all lacks come out of the same type of shit. Lofton, are you afraid that if you cursed you would get it confused when and where it is allowable? I guess you base that statement on your real life and personality being similar to the one YOU exhibit in here. Well bro, the conversations with you are damn sure not indicative of how I would ever spend my time offline.....i cringe at that thought....for real.....and okay i'll be a so-called professor...i only refer to myself as one.....does that make you feel better? You have a real crab azz mentality....you don't see shit good in black people and are hateful as fuck...now I go to school all those years and grew up in a real controlled, crime-free environment......way more than this schithole of a city you grew up in and all you can say is I am ghetto and so-called..now that is a reflection on my upbringing and my parents efforts to raise me....you kind of black people have a serious crab mentality....if you all don't try to tear each other up physically you try to do so from a mental perception standpoint....all you all ever do is criticize and don't so shit and tear each other down....and then wonder why no one wants to stay around people with such negative azz effects on each other..i damn sure don't...I only want to be around civilized, respectful, clean and collective minded blacks...the rest of ya'll are a fucking cancer to the race......man I hope like hell no kids are around you all to pick up ya'll trifling azz colored-folk azz ways....because ya'll will surely be responsible for the next generation of dysfunctional adults...because you all are yourselves...but you try to say rude azz demeaning schit and don't even have a clue that that kind of talk is predicated on self-hate and ignorance....but you really need to go and get your head together and quit trying to displace your internal anger on individuals and the black race.....you sound tormented and are going to drive yourself batty....and no one but some jack-legged black folks are going to give a fuck about you....as much as you see whites as your savior....but you need to get off of that shit.....but I know it is an online thing....you wouldn't dare walk up to the average black person or blurt that diatribe bullschit out in public...maybe this online thing is therapy for your azz...you get to say the schit here you don't get to say in the real world.......if that is the case...knock yourself out.........
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...it is unfortunate, that some people never leave ghetto mentality, no matter how much education is bestowed upon them. You can take some people out of the "Ghetto" but you can't remove the "Ghetto" from them! --Michael


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....you don't see shit good in black people and are hateful as fuck... --Kevin41


Y'all two crack me the fuck up, HA HA HA HAHA!!! Both of y'all calm down--it really ain't that deep.

I like us black folks Big Grin
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I do not even understand what a ghetto mentality is...please explain that to me......I never was in a ghetto in the first place to be removed out of...sorry to disappoint ya.....you sound like a racist white that thinks all lacks come out of the same type of shit. Lofton, are you afraid that if you cursed you would get it confused when and where it is allowable? I guess you base that statement on your real life and personality being similar to the one YOU exhibit in here. Well bro, the conversations with you are damn sure not indicative of how I would ever spend my time offline.....i cringe at that thought....for real.....and okay i'll be a so-called professor...i only refer to myself as one.....does that make you feel better? You have a real crab azz mentality....you don't see shit good in black people and are hateful as fuck...now I go to school all those years and grew up in a real controlled, crime-free environment......way more than this schithole of a city you grew up in and all you can say is I am ghetto and so-called..now that is a reflection on my upbringing and my parents efforts to raise me....you kind of black people have a serious crab mentality....if you all don't try to tear each other up physically you try to do so from a mental perception standpoint....all you all ever do is criticize and don't so shit and tear each other down....and then wonder why no one wants to stay around people with such negative azz effects on each other..i damn sure don't...I only want to be around civilized, respectful, clean and collective minded blacks...the rest of ya'll are a fucking cancer to the race......man I hope like hell no kids are around you all to pick up ya'll trifling azz colored-folk azz ways....because ya'll will surely be responsible for the next generation of dysfunctional adults...because you all are yourselves...but you try to say rude azz demeaning schit and don't even have a clue that that kind of talk is predicated on self-hate and ignorance....but you really need to go and get your head together and quit trying to displace your internal anger on individuals and the black race.....you sound tormented and are going to drive yourself batty....and no one but some jack-legged black folks are going to give a fuck about you....as much as you see whites as your savior....but you need to get off of that shit.....but I know it is an online thing....you wouldn't dare walk up to the average black person or blurt that diatribe bullschit out in public...maybe this online thing is therapy for your azz...you get to say the schit here you don't get to say in the real world.......if that is the case...knock yourself out.........


Well Kevin41

I tried to give you an excuse for your actions. All you've done is succeeded in showing that you are obnoxious, pompous, and perhaps need therapy!

...and be it in person, the streets, etc., etc., should anyone, be it Caucasian, Black, Hispanic, Korean, a Kevin41, etc.,etc. show disrespect towards me, the same or equivalent disrespect will be shown in return.

....and with regard to self-hatred, these individuals have proven by their own actions that they not only hate themselves, but they also have no regard for the Black community!

..With or without input from a Michael Lofton, or anyone else of similar disposition...

.....their days are numbered though. Since by and large the so-called Black middle class refuse to remove blatantly incompetent, criminal, disgraceful, unethical, individuals from a position of leadership, the criminal courts, civil lawsuit for damages, and demographic shifts will take care of this problem!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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now that is funny from someone hating any and every thing black, calling white people buckwheat, disrespecting dead black people who made sure your life was going to be better than theirs and can't even fix your mouth to say schit complimentary about anyone black unless they are someone who espouses that same black-hating azz philosophy which is black people face the social obstacles they do and have the conditions they do because they are inherently f-cked up people......or any negro who aligns themselves with policy makers who are adverse to black people...negro be honest with yourself about your own warped azz psychology which is...you are going to hate in and everything that is good for black people and if you are able to...you will punish them in any way you can, verbally or politically...for what you feel has been done to you by black people......just come out and admit the schit because you damn sure are not smart....or deceptive enough to mask that schit under the guise of that ranting and raving ritual you partake in daily......man that shit has you accusing people of being illegal immigrants and acting too f-king vain to admit that you were just spouting off at the mouth and didn't know what the hell you were talking about......but you want to tell ME about therapy.......whooooh weeee!!! simply amazing...............
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now that is funny from someone hating any and every thing black, calling white people buckwheat, disrespecting dead black people who made sure your life was going to be better than theirs and can't even fix your mouth to say schit complimentary about anyone black unless they are someone who espouses that same black-hating azz philosophy which is black people face the social obstacles they do and have the conditions they do because they are inherently f-cked up people......or any negro who aligns themselves with policy makers who are adverse to black people...negro be honest with yourself about your own warped azz psychology which is...you are going to hate in and everything that is good for black people and if you are able to...you will punish them in any way you can, verbally or politically...for what you feel has been done to you by black people......just come out and admit the schit because you damn sure are not smart....or deceptive enough to mask that schit under the guise of that ranting and raving ritual you partake in daily......man that shit has you accusing people of being illegal immigrants and acting too f-king vain to admit that you were just spouting off at the mouth and didn't know what the hell you were talking about......but you want to tell ME about therapy.......whooooh weeee!!! simply amazing...............


.....every Black person has not been condemned, just misfits. Again, more likely they must hate themselves, because unethical, illegal, and treasonous activity means self destruction in the end!

....and every individual, be it Black, Caucasian, or otherwise, does not show praise or look at ambulance chasing Attorney Johnny Cochran, be it dead, or alive, as being a hero to the Black community. It is certain that the Deadwiler heirs do not share your sentiment for Johnny Cochran!

....as If I've condemned every Black person. I can think of nothing but praise for U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice! This surely rebutts every statement that you have made thus far to say that I have condemned all of Black America!
I'm done Lofton....if that is all you can say in terms of justifying all of your other actions is some bullschit about Condi Rice...who get her wires crossed outside of her area of study sometimes....then there is no sense in talking any further....you have no self-accountability for your own actions whatsoever....yet you are judgemental as hell.....i'm done......
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I'm done Lofton....if that is all you can say in terms of justifying all of your other actions is some bullschit about Condi Rice...who get her wires crossed outside of her area of study sometimes....then there is no sense in talking any further....you have no self-accountability for your own actions whatsoever....yet you are judgemental as hell.....i'm done......


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Originally posted by Kevin41:
now that is funny from someone hating any and every thing black, calling white people buckwheat, disrespecting dead black people who made sure your life was going to be better than theirs and can't even fix your mouth to say schit complimentary about anyone black unless they are someone who espouses that same black-hating azz philosophy which is black people face the social obstacles they do and have the conditions they do because they are inherently f-cked up people......or any negro who aligns themselves with policy makers who are adverse to black people...negro be honest with yourself about your own warped azz psychology which is...you are going to hate in and everything that is good for black people and if you are able to...you will punish them in any way you can, verbally or politically...for what you feel has been done to you by black people......just come out and admit the schit because you damn sure are not smart....or deceptive enough to mask that schit under the guise of that ranting and raving ritual you partake in daily......man that shit has you accusing people of being illegal immigrants and acting too f-king vain to admit that you were just spouting off at the mouth and didn't know what the hell you were talking about......but you want to tell ME about therapy.......whooooh weeee!!! simply amazing...............


Same response, ......as if the illegal immigrant status of no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally is the key theme of any of the material posted. Again these individuals should have been booted out of office but OH Well......just shows after all the sacrifices made to earn the right to vote, some people evidently don't have any sense, or they must be extremely gullible to continue voting in misfits, term after term.

Must be some connection as to why, the Black community continues to remain at the bottom of the heap. I can think of no other reason than a worthless elected leadership, and/or the foolishness of some Black people who continue to keep them up there!


.....every Black person has not been condemned, just misfits. Again, more likely they must hate themselves, because unethical, illegal, and treasonous activity means self destruction in the end!

....and every individual, be it Black, Caucasian, or otherwise, does not show praise or look at ambulance chasing Attorney Johnny Cochran, be it dead, or alive, as being a hero to the Black community. It is certain that the Deadwiler heirs do not share your sentiment for Johnny Cochran!

....as If I've condemned every Black person. I can think of nothing but praise for U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice! This surely rebutts every statement that you have made thus far to say that I have condemned all of Black America!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
once gain...how do you know he's an illegal....see if you can answer the question directly...I'll put any money on it you do not have the ability to give an answer that addresses the question and nothing else......try to see if you can defeat that "Literary ADD" that you so acutely suffer from....what proof do you have that Dymally is an ILLEGAL immigrant and was able to bypass the citizenship requirement to become a Congressman?

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