Whoooooaaaa. Hold up there. If, God forbid, my young daughter grew up to be amoral in her behavior, the fact that I love and revere her does not mean that I cannot look down upon and be disappointed by her actions. In other works, I can condemn her actions while still loving and revering her unconditionally. I would let her know that I had higher expectations of her than that and just because others are doing it that it is no excuse or rationalization for her to follow that path in the quest for equality.

Sister, if you want to "back that thang up" or have been "backing that thang up", go right ahead. If you have a young daughter and you want to promote her "backing her thang up" go right ahead. If you want to debate and rationalize female promiscuity...go right ahead. Because men jump off a cliff, send yourself and your daughters along with them....go right ahead sister. If you want to blame and condemn me for saying...DON"T DO IT....go right ahead sister.

I have an older brother who was drug dealer (quasi pimp too) in his youth and young adulthood. He had cars, money and women. He got those things from doing the wrong things, even though those wrong things netted him pleasures in the short run. However, he always tried to persuade me away from such a life style, notwithstanding the benefits he was getting from it. Was he wrong for or some kind of pejorative-ist for trying to prevent me from engaging in such a lifestyle? Was he wrong for having higher expectations of me? Who did he think he was...just because he was older that he could try and tell me not to take the path that he was taking? THat is sibling prejudice. Its sibling-ism! Had I taken that path, I could have been dead or in jail by now....how dare he deprive me of such a future...when he himself was heading down such a path?

Do what you will sister...as long as you are happy....nothing else matter...but somehow I doubt that you are....or will be in the long run.
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The direct question is do women have the power to change male behavior by virtue of the conditions women choose to have sex with a man?



*The answer is hell yes......not saying that men are not responsible also but the vicious cycle starts with the woman...they are the ones that add value or take value to sex....hell they can make men buy new cars, nice clothes, groom themselves, wear that smell-pretty bullschit...and buy anything they sell on TV that makes a man think he can have sex as a result of buying that product....they can also make a man behave according to higher standards....just like the women who only f-k around with the rappers with big cars and houses....present themselves as if they REQUIRE a man to have that schit in order to get their goodies....why can't they hold a man to a high non-materialistic standard the same way? The reason allot of men are the way they are is because they can be sorry SOB's and get laid.....if coochie could only be had if you were an upstanding brother......the line would be down the street at any venue that affords a man self-improvement....because they really do want that thang....and this would be just another effort to get it...like paying for a porsche or something........that question is a no-brainer to me....and the answer is definitely yes......
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
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The direct question is do women have the power to change male behavior by virtue of the conditions women choose to have sex with a man?



*The answer is hell yes......not saying that men are not responsible also but the vicious cycle starts with the woman...they are the ones that add value or take value to sex....hell they can make men buy new cars, nice clothes, groom themselves, wear that smell-pretty bullschit...and buy anything they sell on TV that makes a man think he can have sex as a result of buying that product....they can also make a man behave according to higher standards....just like the women who only f-k around with the rappers with big cars and houses....present themselves as if they REQUIRE a man to have that schit in order to get their goodies....why can't they hold a man to a high non-materialistic standard the same way? The reason allot of men are the way they are is because they can be sorry SOB's and get laid.....if coochie could only be had if you were an upstanding brother......the line would be down the street at any venue that affords a man self-improvement....because they really do want that thang....and this would be just another effort to get it...like paying for a porsche or something........that question is a no-brainer to me....and the answer is definitely yes......


THANK YOU..THANK YOU....THANK YOU. BINGO...its sad that too many women are so busy competitng with one and other to recognize the collective power they have to control male behavior. War between grasshoppers is to the delight of crows.
Noah,

First, Kweli4Real is a 44 year old married and monogamous man that has had and survived his hedonistic/insecure days (years).

Whoooooaaaa. Hold up there. If, God forbid, my young daughter grew up to be amoral in her behavior, the fact that I love and revere her does not mean that I cannot look down upon and be disappointed by her actions. In other works, I can condemn her actions while still loving and revering her unconditionally. I would let her know that I had higher expectations of her than that and just because others are doing it that it is no excuse or rationalization for her to follow that path in the quest for equality. by NTA

And, I have no problem with this. In fact, I have and continue to tell my 10 year old daughter much of the same thing.

That, however, is not my issue with your position on promiscuity. My issue can be summed up by asking you, "What do/would you tell your SON?" Unless it is the same thing or a similar condemnation of self-destructive behaviors, then you are a sexist, despite you love and reverance.

You tell the story of your brother warning you off the hustler's path and ask, "Was he wrong for or some kind of pejorative-ist for trying to prevent me from engaging in such a lifestyle? Was he wrong for having higher expectations of me?"

Can you not see how that undercuts your sexist view?

Apparently, your brother has/had more love for you than you have/had for him, or any other male. He saw you as a reasoning, self-controling being; not the naughty-by-nature, can't control my urges, flawed being that you represent males to be.

Finally, Noah ...

You give big ups to K41 for saying something that is miles from where you reside. His message is not your message. K41's post recognizes the power of the "P". [And guess what, I absolutely agree that woman can get a man to do just about anything with just a hint that a shot is possible.]

But where K41 got it right, he was not condemning women for living a lifestyle of her choosing. One that maintains her control over her body; rather than ceding to some undefined, male imposed lifesyle, that you approve of.

Tell me, if a woman bedded 16 CPA's and 14 PHD candidates in a month, is she more, less or equally as promiscuous as the woman that sleeps with 12 men, all of whom know each other, that she meets in a club over the course of a year?
If a woman is not raped, then she willingly puts herself in a position that may have negative consequences...just like a man who sleeps with 100's of strange women....if the condom breaks...he may be in deep doo doo also......but the thing is....i do not past judgement on others if their actions do not directly affect me even though I may personally disapprove of what they are doing...it kinda falls in line with my no stance take on personal social issues such as abortion and gay marriage...that have no direct bearing on me......even when I tell youngsters what is probably not the best thing to do....i always start with, "you have the choice to do what you like, but since you solicited my advice, this is what I would do in that situation"....and even if I had a daughter, I would tell her what I do not approve of and what she MUST follow in my house....but once she gets 18 and is independent of me...the choices are hers...and I will intervene to the extent I am told to by her...unless I have to save her life or pull her out of a dangerous situation...then that is my call...but as so far as value systems...at that point all I can tell her is what the hell I will not allow around me....i think that is fair in nature.....I really do.......
Kweli, my bad for thinking you were a woman. I would tell both my son and daughter that they should wait until marriage before engaging is sexual activity. However, I would tell my daughter that she faces an extra burden of risk from such activities, which is the truth. Given that the risk is greater for her, I would be irresponsible not to make an extra effort to prevent such activity from her. That having been said, if every parent were convincing their daughters not to engage in such activity there would be no outlet for boys hormones other than a porno magazine. I do believe that male sexuality is more bound by opportunity than is females and there have been studies to prove this. Thus, it only makes sense that the best strategy to reduce promiscuity is to reduce the opportunities supplied to males.

In regards to my brother, that is a self-serving interpretation. The difference is that I did not have little influence over my brother's behavior, nor did my parents. However, I looked up to my brother, as most young siblings do. Therefore, what he told me was very influential. It is very unlikely that I had the same effect on my brother as he had upon me. The fact that you think I loved him less then he loved me is totally incorrect. Maybe he loved me more than he loved himself, because he was willing to risk his life and freedom in the game, but could not stand the thought of me risking mine.

If you think that his message is not my message than your ability of comprehension is clouded by your emotions on this topic. My message was exactly that women have the power to influence men behavior and that men will not change their behavior without the incentive provided by women. He answered the question I asked to MBM with an affirmative....so how the hell is that a totally different message? Bro, you are just seeing what you want to see.

You also need to go back and check my definition of promiscuous, which you, I believe, asked me to provide in an earlier thread. You ignored the definition that I provided so that you can go on a self-serving tangent of reasoning. Once you go back and check my definition, then you can then apply it to that last question you asked...which I thought was pretty silly.

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