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Obama proposes idea of two free years of community college

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<cite class="byline vcard top-line">By Roberta Rampton and Steve Holland2 hours ago</cite>
 
President Barack Obama speaks at Central High School, Thursday, Jan. 8, 2015, in Phoenix, about the recovering housing sector. [AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

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President Barack Obama speaks at Central High School, Thursday, Jan. 8, 2015, in Phoenix, about the recovering housing sector. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)
 

By Roberta Rampton and Steve Holland

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama wants to maketwo years of community college free and universally available, a proposal he said on Thursday he would flesh out in his State of the Union speech later this month.

White House officials acknowledged the plan would come with a significant price tag but declined to disclose projected costs, saying those details would come in Obama's budget on Feb. 2.

 

"Put simply, what I'd like to do is to see the first two years of community college free for everybody's who is willing to work for it," Obama said in a video message released by the White House.

 

The ideawould require the Republican-controlled Congress to pass legislation so that the federal government could pay for 75 percent of tuition, with participating state governments having to pick up the rest of the tab.

 

"With no details or information on the cost, this seems more like a talking point than a plan," said Cory Fritz, spokesman for Speaker John Boehner, the top Republican in the House of Representatives.

 

The White House has not yet discussed the idea with lawmakers.

 

"We don't expect the country to be transformed overnight, but we do expect this conversation to begin tomorrow," Cecilia Munoz, a top domestic policy adviser to Obama, told reporters.

 

Obama will elaborate on the plan on Friday during a visit to Tennessee, where the Republican-led state has started a free community college program.

 

If all states signed on to Obama's plan, an estimated 9 million students could benefit. A full-time community college student could save an average of $3,800 in tuition a year.

 

Under the proposal, students who attend at least half-time, maintain a 2.5 grade point average while in college, and make steady progress toward completing their programs would have their tuition eliminated.

 

Not all college programs would qualify. Colleges would be required to offer programs where credits could count toward a four-year college and university degree, should students decide to pursue one, or training programs for skills in demand by local employers.

 

(Reporting by Steve Holland and Roberta Rampton; Editing by Peter Cooney)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Most jobs still require a 4 year degree.

 

Not like it would do anything. Not like the gov't can tell companies requiring a fucking 4 year degree and job experience to sweep floors or run a cash register is idiotic. 

 

And free 2 years of community college already have that anyway, it's called the Pell Grant. You get that and it covers for community college, it's just your degree would be worthless and 4 year schools would only take your general education requirements. 

 

For this to work, 2 year schools would have to offer 4 year classes and only 4 year classes 2 year schools offer are general education requirements. The other classes in thee degree programs are a total different level. Only way to do that is take control of these accreditation organizations and schools and make them have the same classes. And the US Government probably won't do that. 

 

Stop avoiding Universal Education shitty ass Democratic Party. You are supposed to be a "left party". This is a horrible idea. This is something Republicans would come up with and it would take people 4 years to find out how much it doesn't work - funny because a Republican state came up with this, just like a Republican state came up with Obamacare...(see so how much these parties are the fucking same? Democrats can't even produce an original idea, they just copy cat.) But when Democrats do it, it's a good idea and it would take a generation to realize how much it doesn't work. 

 

People already do this and the smart people that do this realize that their classes beyond general education don't mean shit and transfer after getting their general education requirements out of the way. I wish I did that instead of wasting years of my life. 

 

This is like affirmative action all over again, the shit doesn't work. These types of band aids never ever work because it doesn't change anything. It's like starving and being given bread and water everyday. After a while you want a fucking meal, you wanna learn how to cook, you wanna earn how to hunt, you want that consistently reduces hunger, not fucking bread and water. 

 

If I was starving and somebody offered me bread and water I would spit in his or her face. I would probably kill that person. 

 

A better idea would to make HBCUs tuition free, we are the people that need jobs anyway and only way to get that is to waste your life away in an institution that only gives you debt and hope. At least we'll get rid the debt part and HBCUs could be saved.

 

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Oh and I just wanna say, Obama is such a damn Republican. This dude is a FAILURE of a President. He has to be the most disappointing President of all time.

 

OF ALL TIME.

 

Yes We Can! CHANGE!...this dude sucks. Might as well have Mitt Romney as president, in some alternative reality Mitt Romney is president and has the exact same programs. 

 

I wish the Democratic Party and Republican would just go ahead and merge so there can be a real alternative. 

 

I hate the USA.

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A better idea would to make HBCUs tuition free, we are the people that need jobs anyway and only way to get that is to waste your life away in an institution that only gives you debt and hope. At least we'll get rid the debt part and HBCUs could be saved.
 
I like that too but you are wrong about most jobs require a 4 year degree. If you simply get certified in Microsoft or various database utilities, there is a long list of certifications that can get you in the door. How about certified in VoIP, voice over internet protocol network, I have one with AllWorks. I was thinking starting a VoIP telephone network company.  that can take you somewhere. Its a great idea, you might check it out for yourself, its low overhead and you can offer many telecom services and you can work it from home. I decided I don't need the headache, LOL
 
There are a lot of jobs that do not require a 4 year degree, AC and Heat, Electrical work, plumbing work, heavy machine, construction work, engine repair, plenty of 2 year technical degrees, web developers, much of the IT stuff is really about being able to learn and execute. But what do I know i'm not looking but its really about mastering what you want to do. 
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Originally Posted by Kocolicious:

  Hal. Lay,. Lu. Yer!!!    This will DEFINITELY help a lot of black youths I know who are extremely AFRAID to enter any type of college.  Making it FREE...will lose the intimidation.  But!

That's a great point! Many young people who can't afford a 4 year school go to community college and find their confidence and go on and get that 4 year degree. I think its much cheaper to do it like that anyway and if you have some remedial issues then I really think its a great idea to go the community college route. That is the problem with the world, low educated folks have more issues if they are not the type that are self starters, self learners and strongly determined, hungry. 

 

I worked in IT and engineering and some of the best software developers I worked with had no college degree never went to college at all. But they were talented in what they specialized in and made serious bank. It comes down to being good at what you do and doing something no one else wants to do and it is usually something that is hard to learn. In I T, computers, networking, telecom, software development, database development and management there are a lot of skills like that. I know a guy who network Apple Computers, integrate them with existing legacy networks and he is killing it and he has no degree of any kind but he is good at what he does. And he dresses like a hobo and stinks sometimes but he is still where I used to work for 16 years. 

 

I know a guy who rebuilds and repairs compressors and engines for ships, he got so busy and made enough money and bought his own crew boat, its a boat the carries equipment out on the ocean, it's like a flat bed truck but its a boat and he provides and charges transport for heavy equipment going and coming to rigs and ships in the Gulf, he has no degree just a self starter, smart learner and he executes. 

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Hey my brotha....self-starters are who built this country.  They had no degree in agriculture, electricity, architetic[sp], culinary, music, art, literature....none of that!  Didn't even have the command of the English language.  But! What they ALL had....was TALENT,  Innate talent...something massa never mastered.  As why there is gonna be a lot of "white" opposition to this....cuz who is innately talented with untouched brilliance?   That's right us!  Which makes my president such a genius!  Inspite of what is said by the peanut gallery....he knows he has NOTHING to lose...so now?  It's time to drop this bomb on massa before he leaves the white house.  And look.  There is MORE acoming[that will benefit his people.]   Watch.  But!  

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I think it's a very good idea.  

 

I really think that education through a 4-year degree should be free in a country with as much money as America, but we know that is no where near about to happen not a minute before corporate America and special interest 'groups' can have all their puppet politicians turn it into a Ponzi scheme that they can fleece first.  

Originally Posted by sunnubian:

I think it's a very good idea.  

 

I really think that education through a 4-year degree should be free in a country with as much money as America, but we know that is no where near about to happen not a minute before corporate America and special interest 'groups' can have all their puppet politicians turn it into a Ponzi scheme that they can fleece first.  

Its funny the rednecks we have in America believe you are a taker if you think higher education should be free or at least greatly subsidized but many countires offer free college education people in Norway, Argentina, Germany, Sweden, Finland, Uruguay, Morocco, Egypt, Kenya, Scotland, Spain, Greece, Turkey... many other contries that greatly subsidize university education...

 


Posted in: NewsPosted: October 10, 2014

Germany Extends Free College Education To All Students In The U.S.

Germany has just recently cancelled all forms of tuition fees within the country’s higher education system, basically providing all German students free college education. Today, good news comes from the European nation as Germany announces that it is extending its tuition-free college education to all students from the U.S. and around the world.

 

While the cost of American college education is on the rise — with undergraduate tuition ranging from $14,300 for state universities like UCLA to $37,800 for private non-profit schools like Harvard — Germany’s former college fees aren’t too expensive to begin with. Averaging at $630 per semester, universities in Germany offered one of the cheapest college educations in Europe. Not only was tuition inexpensive, discounts on food, dormitories, and other necessities are commonplace among university systems in Germany, with some institutions even providing free transportation to all its students.

While the country’s former management of its higher education was already the envy of many a nation, German legislators still believed they could do better. CBS News’ Moneywatch quoted Dorothee Stapelfeldt, a senator from Hamburg, who described tuition fees as “unjust”, adding that imposing fees on higher education discouraged people from particular sectors from undertaking the journey of knowledge.

“[Tuition fees] discourage young people who do not have a traditional academic family background from taking up study.

And because the campaign for free education was strong, the ruling for its commencement was swift. Just recently, after a brief ruling by the senate, it was decided that from this year on, college education in the country will be free for all students. This week, as the last German state to abolish tuition fees makes its transition to free education, Germany announces that it is extending its gift of knowledge to students from the U.S. and around the world.

 

German universities do have a request for foreign students who plan to embrace the country’s offer. Aside from the usual credentials and records needed for applying to any other universities, a conversational fluency of German is a prerequisite for applicants coming from outside the country. It appears to be an easy ticket towards free education, until hopefuls realize how difficult it actually is to learn the language. Fortunately, there are plenty of programs both in Germany and in the U.S. that offer courses on basic and advanced German.

 

Germany hosts some of the world’s best universities, including the University of Heidelberg, which has produced 56 Nobel laureates, and Leipzig University, which has nine Nobel winners and one current chancellor, Angela Merkel.

 

http://www.inquisitr.com/15313...students-in-the-u-s/

 

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Why are the white people so fukked up in the United States who believe so greatly  in exploitation? 

Originally Posted by Scottm424:

In my view, all this would do would reduce the already questionable value of a college degree. IF everyone has a Associates Degree, then companies would start asking for the Master's as the entry-level degree.

People with Masters degree have found out a long time ago it does not pay off. Its about talent and mastering whatever you do and doing something most people avoid. But a Masters is great if you also talented and do good work. A Masters is a good achievement anyway, Doctors too but will it pay off, does it matter? I think its great to get a masters or dr degrees but don't expect for it to pay off.

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Originally Posted by Scottm424:

In my view, all this would do would reduce the already questionable value of a college degree. IF everyone has a Associates Degree, then companies would start asking for the Master's as the entry-level degree.

Exactly and it already started.

 

Corporations don't need to invest in training people for work because that's what college is supposed to do. That's why tution prices can go up each year. There is no competition in training new workers. The gov't just funds exploitation of young people.

 

High School degrees already don't mean anything. Associate degrees are a waste of money. 4 Year degree is new high school diploma. Masters Degrees are king in social sciences.

 

It's a dumb idea, Associates Degrees already don't mean anything unless you get it a definite skill. Like HVAC.

 

This is a ridiculous idea on to expand such a program on a federal level. 

 

Originally Posted by Momentum:
 
 
There are a lot of jobs that do not require a 4 year degree, AC and Heat, Electrical work, plumbing work, heavy machine, construction work, engine repair, plenty of 2 year technical degrees, web developers, much of the IT stuff is really about being able to learn and execute. But what do I know i'm not looking but its really about mastering what you want to do. 

 

 For the average 18 year old...we don't go for those things.

 

Most of us go into CC to transfer to a 4 year degree. It's just a way to cut costs, or a way to work while stacking money to afford a 4 year degree. Or you do it because you didn't get a 3.7 in HS and it's a way to get your gen ed requirements out the way and make a 3.7 and transfer to the school you wanna go to. You can't stay because then your degree would be worthless unless it is vocational. And how many of us looking around wanting to be a plumber at 18. Nah, we wanna go be economists, computer scientists, software developers, mathematicians, teachers, accountants, engineers, psychologists, investment bankers, political scientists and etc. Occupations that require 4 years just to get your foot in the door.

 

And matter of fact High Schools themselves push you to do a Bachelors because there are two type of diplomas, college prep and technical diplomas and guess which one degree they push HS students into? You choose technical, you probably not gonna go to a university straight from high school. You'll have to go to a two year institution. 

 

This program would work for people that been in the workforce and want to retool and switch careers. Or people that are in their career field and need to get some class time so they can get some certs. There are tons of people in CC doing these things. They already have the work experience to the point where their 2 year degree is worth something. By itself, it isn't. 

 

If you are young, you must realize the game and you leave before they suck up anymore money and then tell you to go to this college all the way in the middle of nowhere so your credits can count in General Business Technology.

 

For this to have the grand effect that Obama and the Democratic Party want it to have, it would have to completely change the college education system from the ground up and that would mean reducing the autonomy of schools. It would mean price controls. Credit controls. School textbook price controls. Things that make the consumer aka students safe from exploitation.

 

Not giving these institutions more money so they can screw around with it some more. They already get tons of from the gov't money to screw around with. 

 

 Just like the MyBrothersKeeper program was quickly dismissed as a gov't program soon as it came out.

 

These band-aids that feel good when you got cuts all over the face, arms, legs but you really got an infection and you need antibiotics. So you are slowly dying but somebody rubbing your head, wrapping up your wounds makes you feel good.

 

At a certain point people gotta say this is bullshit and demand more and if the ruling class can't do more, tell them to go fuck themselves. 

 

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Originally Posted by GoodMan:
Originally Posted by Scottm424:

In my view, all this would do would reduce the already questionable value of a college degree. IF everyone has a Associates Degree, then companies would start asking for the Master's as the entry-level degree.

Exactly and it already started.

 

Corporations don't need to invest in training people for work because that's what college is supposed to do. That's why tution prices can go up each year. There is no competition in training new workers. The gov't just funds exploitation of young people.

 

High School degrees already don't mean anything. Associate degrees are a waste of money. 4 Year degree is new high school diploma. Masters Degrees are king in social sciences.

 

It's a dumb idea, Associates Degrees already don't mean anything unless you get it a definite skill. Like HVAC.

 

This is a ridiculous idea on to expand such a program on a federal level. 

 

Originally Posted by Momentum:
 
 
There are a lot of jobs that do not require a 4 year degree, AC and Heat, Electrical work, plumbing work, heavy machine, construction work, engine repair, plenty of 2 year technical degrees, web developers, much of the IT stuff is really about being able to learn and execute. But what do I know i'm not looking but its really about mastering what you want to do. 

 

 For the average 18 year old...we don't go for those things.

 

Most of us go into CC to transfer to a 4 year degree. It's just a way to cut costs, or a way to work while stacking money to afford a 4 year degree. Or you do it because you didn't get a 3.7 in HS and it's a way to get your gen ed requirements out the way and make a 3.7 and transfer to the school you wanna go to. You can't stay because then your degree would be worthless unless it is vocational. And how many of us looking around wanting to be a plumber at 18. Nah, we wanna go be economists, computer scientists, software developers, mathematicians, teachers, accountants, engineers, psychologists, investment bankers, political scientists and etc. Occupations that require 4 years just to get your foot in the door.

 

And matter of fact High Schools themselves push you to do a Bachelors because there are two type of diplomas, college prep and technical diplomas and guess which one degree they push HS students into? You choose technical, you probably not gonna go to a university straight from high school. You'll have to go to a two year institution. 

 

This program would work for people that been in the workforce and want to retool and switch careers. Or people that are in their career field and need to get some class time so they can get some certs. There are tons of people in CC doing these things. They already have the work experience to the point where their 2 year degree is worth something. By itself, it isn't. 

 

If you are young, you must realize the game and you leave before they suck up anymore money and then tell you to go to this college all the way in the middle of nowhere so your credits can count in General Business Technology.

 

For this to have the grand effect that Obama and the Democratic Party want it to have, it would have to completely change the college education system from the ground up and that would mean reducing the autonomy of schools. It would mean price controls. Credit controls. School textbook price controls. Things that make the consumer aka students safe from exploitation.

 

Not giving these institutions more money so they can screw around with it some more. They already get tons of from the gov't money to screw around with. 

 

 Just like the MyBrothersKeeper program was quickly dismissed as a gov't program soon as it came out.

 

These band-aids that feel good when you got cuts all over the face, arms, legs but you really got an infection and you need antibiotics. So you are slowly dying but somebody rubbing your head, wrapping up your wounds makes you feel good.

 

At a certain point people gotta say this is bullshit and demand more and if the ruling class can't do more, tell them to go fuck themselves. 

 

Good points.... I get that. It seems all government does are band aids and it must always include more gov/tax money being transferred into an exploitative system. 

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January 9, 2015

Republicans Expose Obama’s College Plan as Plot to Make People Smarter

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WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—President Obama’s plan to offer Americans two years of college for free has come under fire from congressional Republicans, who are calling it a blatant plot to make Americans smarter.

 

The G.O.P., which has benefited from the support of so-called “low-information voters” in recent years, accused Obama of cynically trying to make people smarter as a way of chipping away at the Republican base.

“You take low-information voters and give them information, and pretty soon they’re Democrats,” Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said.

 

House Speaker John Boehner said that “forcing knowledge into people” was “flagrantly un-American,” adding, “We make this promise to the American people: if you like your brains, you can keep your brains.”

 

 

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A National Recommended Reading List of 10,000 books with material ranging from kindergarten through college would be cheaper.

 

How many high school graduates could blow away college graduates it they just knew where to find great material?

 

These are college graduates, from Harvard no less:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0wk4qG2mIg

 

Doesn't it snow in Boston?  Don't college undergrads wonder why?  How are we supposed to cope with climate change?

 

The Mind and Its Education, by George Herbert Betts

https://www.gutenberg.org/file.../20220-h/20220-h.htm

 

Xum

Originally Posted by Xumbrarchist:

A National Recommended Reading List of 10,000 books with material ranging from kindergarten through college would be cheaper.

 

How many high school graduates could blow away college graduates it they just knew where to find great material?

 

These are college graduates, from Harvard no less:

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0wk4qG2mIg

 

Doesn't it snow in Boston?  Don't college undergrads wonder why?  How are we supposed to cope with climate change?

 

The Mind and Its Education, by George Herbert Betts

https://www.gutenberg.org/file.../20220-h/20220-h.htm

 

Xum

 

Originally Posted by Xumbrarchist:

A National Recommended Reading List of 10,000 books with material ranging from kindergarten through college would be cheaper.

 

How many high school graduates could blow away college graduates it they just knew where to find great material?

 

These are college graduates, from Harvard no less:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0wk4qG2mIg

 

Doesn't it snow in Boston?  Don't college undergrads wonder why?  How are we supposed to cope with climate change?

 

The Mind and Its Education, by George Herbert Betts

https://www.gutenberg.org/file.../20220-h/20220-h.htm

 

Xum

Xum what you trying to say, a degree is not necessary? What does it really take to get paid or to at least get your foot in the door that can lead to get paid?

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