Pregnant Black Woman Missing; Where's the Laci Peterson-Like Coverage?

Date: Sunday, July 31, 2005
By: Monica Lewis, BlackAmericaWeb.com

Latoyia Figueroa is far from a blond, blue-eyed belle of the Bible Belt south. Nor is she a petite housewife from a California suburb. But like Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teenager last seen in Aruba over Memorial Day weekend, Figueroa has apparently vanished without a trace, and like Laci Peterson, Figueroa's loved ones are as concerned about her whereabouts as they are for the unborn child she is carrying.

It's been two weeks since Figueroa went missing, yet her story hasn't garnered nearly half of the national spotlight captured by Holloway, Peterson, Lori Hacking or Jennifer Milbanks in the days following their respective disappearances. A story about Figueroa, a 24-year-old mother from Philadelphia, appeared on CNN for the first time nearly 10 days after she was reported missing. A recent check of transcripts of the cable network's "Larry King Live" talk show found at least 10 episodes in which Holloway was the primary story, an average of one night a week since the girl's May 30 disappearance.

Figueroa was last seen on July 18, and police received a missing persons report on July 21.

When it comes to fair news coverage, it's simply a matter of who's running the show in the nation's newsrooms, Phillip Dixon, chairman of Howard University's Department of Journalism, told BlackAmericaWeb.com.

"For the most part, people of color are underrepresented when it comes down to making decisions on what stories get covered and what stories don't get covered," said Dixon, a former editor at The Philadelphia Inquirer, which did not run a story on Figueroa until July 27, citing that cases of missing adults are not rare.

"A big part of it is that people get excited about things they are familiar with and things that they treasure," Dixon said. "It's the default response -- if it looks like my daughter, I care more than if it looks like your daughter."

Oftentimes, Dixon added, if something negative happens to a black person, it's viewed by journalists as the status quo.

"It's all about the expectations that people have," Dixon said. "Bad things are not supposed to happen to blond, blue-eyed girls. So, it may strike [white journalists] as less newsy" when bad things happen to blacks.

It's not yet known what exactly has happened to Figueroa, a single mother of a seven-year-old girl. On the day she went missing, Figueroa had an appointment with her obstetrician to check the health of her five-month-old fetus. Stephen Pouche, the unborn child's father and Figueroa's reported boyfriend, accompanied her to the doctor's office. While not identified as a suspect, Pouche is considered by Philadelphia police to be the last person to see Figueroa.

Relatives became worried when Figueroa, a good and caring mother by all accounts, failed to pick up her daughter, Izhanae, from daycare. The next day, she didn't show up for work at a T.G.I. Friday's restaurant, where she is a waitress. Police say her cell phone and credit cards have not been used since July 18, the day she was last seen.

Figueroa's family and friends, including Anthony Williams, Figueroa's high school sweetheart and Izhanae's father, question Pouche's supposedly nonchalant attitude and questionable behavior regarding the investigation. Pouche hasn't been actively involved in distributing fliers throughout the city, as many of Figueroa's loved ones have, and last week, he called in to a popular radio station to explain on-air why he thought Figueroa "went away," citing "stress" as a major factor.

News reports have also said that Figueroa and another woman said to have been pregnant with Pouche's child didn't get along, although they were not considered rivals. Police have not said whether the other woman was somehow involved in an April robbery attempt of Figueroa, then two months pregnant, in which she was confronted by a woman who pulled her jacket and kicked her in the stomach.

Tragically, Figueroa's mother, Ann Taylor, faced an untimely death in 1985. News reports claim Taylor, 22, was found dead by police on a North Philadelphia street, her throat slashed. Friends told the Philadelphia Daily News that Figueroa often feared such a demise would befall her.

On July 28, ten days after Figueroa's disappearance, police deployed cadets and canine units to extensively search a park near Pouche's home.

A member of the department's public affairs unit declined to speak with BlackAmericaWeb.com on Friday, but later that day, it was announced that the department's Homicide Unit would be taking over the investigation from the investigatory unit that covers the section of Philadelphia where Figueroa was last seen. The move, according to police, was made because the homicide unit has a "myriad of available resources and personnel" to handle the case.

It's a move that should have been done long before Friday, said Richard Blair, a man who is credited with helping Figueroa's case get the relatively scant national media coverage that it has received to date.

A 51-year-old operations manager from the Philadelphia metropolitan region, Blair decided to email CNN personality Nancy Grace, a former prosecutor known for speaking up for victims' rights, about the circumstances surrounding Figueroa's disappearance. Blair, a blogger with http://www.allspinzone.com, posted the message on his website last week, kicking off a flurry of activity, from enhanced media coverage to the start of the $10,000 reward fund to find Figueroa.

Blair, who is white, believes that race is not the only factor in the lack of media coverage regarding Figueroa's story.

"To me, this whole story speaks of socio-economic divides, as well as racial divides," Blair told BlackAmericaWeb.com, adding that the same thing could have happened to a young, pregnant white woman in a low-to-moderate income area of Philadelphia whose family simply didn't have the means or knowledge to get the story out.

As the father of a young woman near Figueroa's age, Blair said he felt compelled to act on his thoughts about the mediocre media coverage. Since his missive to Grace, Blair has been called by network, radio and cable talk shows, as well as newspapers across the country seeking interviews, including Grace and conservative MSNBC talking head Tucker Carlson. During a show last week, Carlson discussed the role race is playing and credited Blair for his jumping to action.

"(Blair's} point was the obvious one. And it is that black women from city centers, from urban areas, who disappear get none of the coverage that those like Natalee Holloway get, who are obviously from a different demographic. And, you know, it's impossible to deny the truth of this," Carlson said on air.

The next day, CNN, MSNBC, and FOX were showing pictures of Figueroa and aerial shots of Philadelphia police combing the area in which she was last seen.

However, Blair doesn't consider himself a hero and has been somewhat mum on the matter, choosing only to speak with BlackAmericaWeb.com, a Philadelphia newspaper, a local talk radio show and Ed Gordon's National Public Radio show.

For Blair, who has exchanged email messages with members of Figueroa's family, the primary concern for everyone should be finding Figueroa alive and well. Once that happens, we can move on to discussing another matter that needs to be addressed, Blair said.

"The crux of the matter is that nobody was talking about it. It just seemed like nobody cared," Blair said, adding that local media didn't necessarily jump on the story until days after Figueroa's disappearance. Media coverage is important in cases like this, Blair said, not just to keep the public informed and alert, but also to keep pressure on law enforcement to not let a case go cold.

"(Fair news coverage) is a dialogue that has been screaming to be had," Blair said. "Obviously, it's a backburner issue until Latoyia is found, but we really need to have that dialogue. And I think this is a great opportunity to have that national discussion."

© MBM

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The boyfriend did it. I just know it.

I'm sure race is one of the largest factors in why this story hasn't been covered, but I think another reason is that it doesn't sound like a real all-around mystery that could capture your attention day-after-day. The boyfriend sounds very guilty of killing her and the baby.
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
The boyfriend did it. I just know it.

I'm sure race is one of the largest factors in why this story hasn't been covered, but I think another reason is that it doesn't sound like a real all-around mystery that could capture your attention day-after-day. The boyfriend sounds very guilty of killing her and the baby.


But when Laci Peterson and Lori Hacking went missing, they wern't all-around mysteries, either. In both cases the husbands were suspected from the beginning and in both cases the husbands were eventually convicted.

Media coverage for these two missing women was almost immediate. So why has Latoyia Figueroa been treated differently even though her boyfriend may have something to do with her dissapearence?
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"Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it."
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I Posted this on July 29, 2005 02:30 PM somewhere on this forum because i didn't really know where to post it.

This is my take on things!


Something very scary going on in this country.

I have been upset for quite a while now, because more and more I see stories of disappearing Black women being put on the back pages of newspapers as being not newsworthy enough. More and more I see that when white women disappear they get the front page news, they get the news breaks and weeks of intensive coverage is spent on them. Stories of pregnant black women murdered go all the way in the back of the paper.


It disgusts me to see that when this young lady went missing, it took 11 days and a lot of harassment from bloggers before national news picked up on it.
This could have been your or my sister, and what distress would we have been in right now just by the lack of attention we would be getting from the media, in our efforts to find our sister. How sad must it be for her family and her child that she does not seem to be as important as Laci Peterson or Natalee Holloway or even the scam artist who ran away and led all the officials astray for a couple of days because she decided she didn't want to get married.

What scares me the most is that whenever a black person ends up in a bad situation, the press will jump on that item and speculate up a storm. They will call in witnesses or near witnesses, and ask random people for their opinion (as in the case of the woman, who happens to be black, leaving her son at the side of the Beltway in Washington DC. How could she have done such a thing, but she did and she ended up in jail while her son was put in foster care despite efforts from family and friends to have the boy placed with them. In another case where a white woman drove from Alabama to DC with 5 kids, putting each kid in the trunk for an hour because she didn't have enough seating in the car, not that big a deal, these kids were not put in foster care, they were sent to their dad while police questioned the mom who didn't have to go to jail.)

I have only been in this country for 4 years, but I don't think I want to be here any longer, because of how I see black people being treated here. The blood, sweat and many many tears shed by their forefathers and mothers was in vain. Blacks are still treated as second class citizens; they still have to make so many sacrifices to get somewhere. This country was built on racist values which still exist and will stay unfortunately.

How bitterly do I write, it is because my heart bleeds when I see things like that. There are so many wrongs in this place, of which the biggest issue the mistreatment of blacks.

As for Miss LaToyia Figueroa, I hope and pray that God will shine his light on her path and keep her safe from harm. I pray that people will find it in their hearts to do their utmost to try and find her and make sure that she and her baby are okay.
This sickens me. A "runaway" bride gets coverage for weeks after she has been exposed, yet this has not received the media attention it deserves.

Although I hate blaming/crediting race, I am well aware that racism is alive, well, and living in the land of the free and the home of the brave. This matter - and others like it - bring that point home painfully on far too many occasions.

I can only pray that the family members and others who love her and those of us who are aware of the situation make so much noice and create such a stir that justice shall not be denied.
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Originally posted by Popcorn:
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
The boyfriend did it. I just know it.

I'm sure race is one of the largest factors in why this story hasn't been covered, but I think another reason is that it doesn't sound like a real all-around mystery that could capture your attention day-after-day. The boyfriend sounds very guilty of killing her and the baby.


But when Laci Peterson and Lori Hacking went missing, they wern't all-around mysteries, either. In both cases the husbands were suspected from the beginning and in both cases the husbands were eventually convicted.

Media coverage for these two missing women was almost immediate. So why has Latoyia Figueroa been treated differently even though her boyfriend may have something to do with her dissapearence?




Let's not beat aound the bush people. She's not white.
I think we all agree that skin color is the predominant reason why the story is not being covered in the media.

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Originally posted by Frenchy:
The boyfriend did it. I just know it.

I'm sure race is one of the largest factors in why this story hasn't been covered, but I think another reason is that it doesn't sound like a real all-around mystery that could capture your attention day-after-day. The boyfriend sounds very guilty of killing her and the baby.
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Originally posted by SistahSouljah:

Let's not beat aound the bush people. She's not white.



That's it in a nutshell. She's not white and "deemed" of less value. There's no other explanation.
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MBM,

I wonder why the black and Latino communities in Philly didn't start the search earlier? Why do they always have to wait for the white media?

Anyway, I sure hope for the sake of the race pimps that her suspected killer turns out to be a white KKK member. Otherwise, this story will drop off the national radar even faster. Not even BET will give a damn. Look what happened to the murdering black Carr brothers in Wichita. No national coverage at all. Black murderers are "deemed" of less value. There's no other explanation.
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Originally posted by EgbertSouse:
MBM,

I wonder why the black and Latino communities in Philly didn't start the search earlier? Why do they always have to wait for the white media?

Anyway, I sure hope for the sake of the race pimps that her suspected killer turns out to be a white KKK member. Otherwise, this story will drop off the national radar even faster. Not even BET will give a damn. Look what happened to the murdering black Carr brothers in Wichita. No national coverage at all. Black murderers are "deemed" of less value. There's no other explanation.


You are about the lamest person this side of Nebraska. Right! All those Black and Latino News Directors at CBS and Fox should have been right on top of this.

The Carr brothers must have had some media coverage or your stupid ass wouldn't have known about it. Or, did you hear about it while watching re-runs of "Birth of a Nation" on the Skinhead Channel? Do you get that channel in Hawaii, W.C.?

Truthfully, we'll pray that one of your daughters never goes missing. I wouldn't wish that on any parent, even one as fucked-up as you.
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Originally posted by Popcorn:
Truthfully, we'll pray that one of your daughters never goes missing. I wouldn't wish that on any parent, even one as fucked-up as you.
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No thanks. I don't need your prayers. Neither do my daughters. Besides, praying to the black devil hasn't helped black folks any. You should know that by now. Unless you're praying to the white man's god?


Finally, my little chickadee, I'm reporting your foul and disgusting post to MBM. He'll send you packing so the rest of us can get back to some serious posting.

Extra butter?
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I think she was gracious trying to tell your racially diseased in the mind azz that your daughters be out of harms way.....hell there are people who would find them and harm them just because of the kinda racial bullschit you talk.......so take the consideration.....and don't be a small prick all of your life...figuratively speaking............
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Originally posted by EgbertSouse:

No thanks. I don't need your prayers. Neither do my daughters. Besides, praying to the black devil hasn't helped black folks any.

I'm reporting your foul and disgusting post to MBM. He'll send you packing so the rest of us can get back to some serious posting.



I pray to the One God who cannot be named. You can mess with that if you want to, but I won't.

But I didn't know the devil was black. Been spending some time with him, have you? Trying to smooth the transition? With your phony degree in chemistry, you should be used to the smell of sulfur.

Report me? Oh, no!! Pleeeeze don't report me, Mr. Egghead. I'm so scared.

Serious Posting?? You haven't posted anything serious since you taped up that "No Blacks Allowed" sign in your puny little hardware store.

With your asinine posts, you've been making fun of folks here going on two years. And after each post you snicker and tell yourself how clever you are, don't you? Making fun of people makes you feel good, does it? You know what that says about you, Egghead?
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If this is a homicide, chances are it was a Black person in Philadelphia who killed her. More times than not, Black on Black violence is responsible for the unwarranted death of numerous individuals from the Black community. If this is the case, it would be pointless for the media to cover every criminal act that Black people perpetrate against each other.

Bottom line, Black people should have more respect for each other.

In the event that this is a homicide, if the killer is Caucasian, or otherwise, unless a witness comes forth, a very slim chance exists that this murder will be investigated. It is very doubtful that the media, especially as it concerns Caucasian owned media outlets, will expose this tragedy because it is of very little benefit to their community! It is very doubtful that this teenager was killed, by a Caucasian in a predominently Black section of Philadelphia. There should be no mystery as to who killed Latoyia Figueroa, because considering the circumstances, it is certain that she was killed by a Black assailant, and most likely it was her boy friend.
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Originally posted by Michael:
If this is a homicide, chances are it was a Black person in Philadelphia who killed her. More times than not, Black on Black violence is responsible for the unwarranted death of numerous individuals from the Black community. If this is the case, it would be pointless for the media to cover every criminal act that Black people perpetrate against each other.

Bottom line, Black people should have more respect for each other.

In the event that this is a homicide, if the killer is Caucasian, or otherwise, unless a witness comes forth, a very slim chance exists that this murder will be investigated. It is very doubtful that the media, especially as it concerns Caucasian owned media outlets, will expose this tragedy because it is of very little benefit to their community! It is very doubtful that this teenager was killed, by a Caucasian in a predominently Black section of Philadelphia. There should be no mystery as to who killed Latoyia Figueroa, because considering the circumstances, it is certain that she was killed by a Black assailant, and most likely it was her boy friend.


That's a twisted ass response man.
"That's a twisted ass response man." by SistahSouljah

"It's been two weeks since Figueroa went missing, yet her story hasn't garnered nearly half of the national spotlight captured by Holloway, Peterson, Lori Hacking or Jennifer Milbanks in the days following their respective disappearances. A story about Figueroa, a 24-year-old mother from Philadelphia, appeared on CNN for the first time nearly 10 days after she was reported missing. A recent check of transcripts of the cable network's "Larry King Live" talk show found at least 10 episodes in which Holloway was the primary story, an average of one night a week since the girl's May 30 disappearance."

"It's not yet known what exactly has happened to Figueroa, a single mother of a seven-year-old girl. On the day she went missing, Figueroa had an appointment with her obstetrician to check the health of her five-month-old fetus. Stephen Pouche, the unborn child's father and Figueroa's reported boyfriend, accompanied her to the doctor's office. While not identified as a suspect, Pouche is considered by Philadelphia police to be the last person to see Figueroa."

...Furthermore, Latoyia Figueroa has been a single mother since her teens, and with this second out-of-wedlock child on the way, she is still a single mom, which means that she has been promiscuous.

....It is very possible that her own promiscuity may have contributed to her present situation.
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Originally posted by Michael:

...Furthermore, Latoyia Figueroa has been a single mother since her teens, which means that she has been promiscuous.

....It is very possible that her own promiscuity may have contributed to her present situation.


Wait a damn minute bitch upset

The fact that she became a mother at a young age DOES NOT equate to your opinion that she was promiscuous. That's pure bullshit. You know this woman? You wanna sit there and tell me that there's no possibility that she was raped or a victim of incest or even that the condom that her boyfriend was wearing at that time broke? You know her whole life story? There's a difference between promiscuity and limited sex. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE WAS DOING. Shit happens, if you haven't heard, and what she does or doesn't do in her sex life has nothing to do with this. Reread the title of the thread moron, and get back on track. She's MISSING, and the media isn't fairly covering the story.
"The fact that she became a mother at a young age DOES NOT equate to your opinion that she was promiscuous. That's pure bullshit. You know this woman? You wanna sit there and tell me that there's no possibility that she was raped or a victim of incest or even that the condom that her boyfriend was wearing at that time broke? You know her whole life story? There's a difference between promiscuity and limited sex. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE WAS DOING. Shit happens, if you haven't heard, and what she does or doesn't do in her sex life has nothing to do with this. Reread the title of the thread moron, and get back on track. She's MISSING, and the media isn't fairly covering the story." by SistahSouljah

Although this speaks to Chicago, Black on Black Crime is high in Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Baltimore, as well as other communities predominated by Blacks

Well, SistahSouljah, you left out abstinence. No, I don't know her situation. Furthermore, considering the number of Black people killed by other Black people, it would not be practical for the media to give equal weight and coverage for every Black person murdered or missing as a result of gross disrespect shown toward them by another Black person! Media coverage is expensive, and for television, radio, and newspaper outlets to cover every Black on Black missing person, or murder situation would drive a company into "bankruptcy".

By far it would be more practical, less expensive, and productive for Black people to show more respect for each other. Mutual respect would have prevented this situation. There would be no need to beg for expensive media coverage, financed by the Caucasian community, for a situation that should not have occured in the first place.

...If Black people expect that kind of media coverage for a situation of senseless wrong doing perpetrated by Black assailants, then the Black community will have to pay for the media coverage!
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Originally posted by Michael:

Furthermore, considering the number of Black people killed by other Black people, it would not be practical for the media to give equal weight and coverage for every Black person murdered by another Black person!


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I left out abstinence because obviously that's not the reason why she got pregnant! And it doesn't matter, the boyfriend may have done it, so what. SOMEONE IS NOT DOING HIS OR HER JOB. They INVESTIGATE, not PRESUME. That's how shit goes. NO ONE KNOWS what happened yet, though we all have our thoughts on the situation. You're standing up for the media and that's screwed up man.
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Originally posted by SistahSouljah:

The fact that she became a mother at a young age DOES NOT equate to your opinion that she was promiscuous. That's pure bullshit. You know this woman? You wanna sit there and tell me that there's no possibility that she was raped or a victim of incest or even that the condom that her boyfriend was wearing at that time broke? You know her whole life story? There's a difference between promiscuity and limited sex. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE WAS DOING. Shit happens, if you haven't heard, and what she does or doesn't do in her sex life has nothing to do with this. Reread the title of the thread moron, and get back on track. She's MISSING, and the media isn't fairly covering the story.


Lofton's perfect except for one minor character flaw, SistahSouljah. Didn't he mention that?

His one flaw is that he's totally devoid of compassion. He never can see beyond the obvious and he can't understand the irrelevancies in his posts. Whoops! I guess that's two flaws.

You have to explain everything to Lofton at a first grade-level, or he won't get it. He can't see that this is about more than just one person. He can't see how it might even apply to himself. He's too caught-up in being judgmental of everything and everyone.

And he has no compassion or empathy for Latoyia's family. It doesn't occur to him that she has a child, a mother, a father, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles who miss her, who grieve for her.

The most important thing to Lofton is his ivory tower were he can sit and pass judgement on all before him. And anything that can be even remotely connected to his mantra of corrupt Black politicians is all the better. Even the disappearance of a young pregnant mother.
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The most important thing to Lofton is his ivory tower were he can sit and pass judgement on all before him. And anything that can be even remotely connected to his mantra of corrupt Black politicians is all the better. Even the disappearance of a young pregnant mother.



**and the strange part is...he claims black social workers broke his family up or tried to...for no reason....which I find it highly unlikely that black social workers just pick families at random....but you would think that alone would make one grow up compassionate about ANY family situation that causes a loss of a family member...you would think...but self and black hatred is a psychological affliction...and if you ask that cat who is black that he thinks is worth a damn.....it will be someone who the black majority finds repulsive......it is like a poe white southern republican voting for this pro-business administration just to be diametrically opposed to black people on the issues...his dumb azz does not realize that socioeconomical issues transcend race to a certain extent and affect people by class instead....but when I saw poe white protesting the integration of public housing, i knew they had loss their f-king minds....so trying to address that cat from the premise that he will be objective and hear you out is fruitless...you are basing your response on talking to someone whose mind is closed for the winter......
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He can't see that this is about more than just one person. He can't see how it might even apply to himself. He's too caught-up in being judgmental of everything and everyone.


Actually, he's too caught-up in being judgmental of everything and everyone Black. white folk and their pathologies get a pass or are lauded as something to aspire to.
"Lofton's perfect except for one minor character flaw, SistahSouljah. Didn't he mention that?

His one flaw is that he's totally devoid of compassion. He never can see beyond the obvious and he can't understand the irrelevancies in his posts. Whoops! I guess that's two flaws.

You have to explain everything to Lofton at a first grade-level, or he won't get it. He can't see that this is about more than just one person. He can't see how it might even apply to himself. He's too caught-up in being judgmental of everything and everyone.

And he has no compassion or empathy for Latoyia's family. It doesn't occur to him that she has a child, a mother, a father, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles who miss her, who grieve for her." by popcorn

Speaking of irrelevancies, of course the high cost of media coverage would not be relevant to a very irresponsible community as it relates to the typical Black community. The Black community won't be picking up the tab for the expenses. My personal judgment, the reality that I've shared regarding the disgrace of Black folks and/or other erroneous comments to belittle my good character have absolutely nothing do with how the owner(s) of a business, who by and large are not Black spend their assets. The individual, or set of individuals who own the business control how, and to what extent the assets of the business will be directed, which has nothing to do with my personal judgment.

The issue of cost, and being paid for services rendered, would be very much on the mind of the owners and operators of the media outlets who by and large are not Black people. Those who think that a media outlet to which the Black community do not control are going to spend assets in the same fashion and to the same extent as what is spent on Caucasians in distress are dreaming. If Black people expect to receive equal treatment while someone else is footing the bill, then dream on, this will not happen. Those who have a vested interest or a controlling interest in the company determine how the assets of the company are spent, and not a community such as the Black community, which has very little if any vested interest in "Free Enterprise".

Speaking of compassion, compassion must first start from within the Black community, because is it not the first responsibility of Caucasians, and/or any other ethnic group to create a safe environment for Black people.

So far the Black community, as it relates to the so-called Black middleclass, the so-called university educated, and/or our elected Black leadership have little if any compassion for the Black community.

"**and the strange part is...he claims black social workers broke his family up or tried to...for no reason....which I find it highly unlikely that black social workers just pick families at random....but you would think that alone would make one grow up compassionate about ANY family situation that causes a loss of a family member...you would think...but self and black hatred is a psychological affliction...and if you ask that cat who is black that he thinks is worth a damn.....it will be someone who the black majority finds repulsive......it is like a poe white southern republican voting for this pro-business administration just to be diametrically opposed to black people on the issues...his dumb azz does not realize that socioeconomical issues transcend race to a certain extent and affect people by class instead....but when I saw poe white protesting the integration of public housing, i knew they had loss their f-king minds....so trying to address that cat from the premise that he will be objective and hear you out is fruitless...you are basing your response on talking to someone whose mind is closed for the winter......" by the infamous Kevin41, nothing like truth to wash away the erroneous information of a so-called university professor! Just open the link, and Kevin41, Kweli4Real, Popcorn, etc., etc., comments would be rendered meaningless, unsubstantiated.

If they did, Black people would not be begging Caucasian owned media outlets, and/or other Caucasian owned business interests to make the Black community a safe place to live.
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If they did, Black people would not be begging Caucasian owned media outlets, and/or other Caucasian owned business interests to make the Black community a safe place to live.



The police departments (for which black people pay taxes)are supposed to do that....not business interests...that is not their responsibility...but since they depend on black people to keep their doors open...maybe it should be their responsibility....also
"The police departments (for which black people pay taxes)are supposed to do that....not business interests...that is not their responsibility...but since they depend on black people to keep their doors open...maybe it should be their responsibility....also" by Kevin41

....The police department has yet to make the inner-city a safe place for Blacks to live. More so than not the police come in blazing and ask questions later.

Heck, in many instances the Police wait until the smoke clears, long after the commission of a criminal act perpetrated by Blacks against other Black people.

Police officers are quick to respond in protecting outside business interests from criminal acts perpetrated by Black people against a Caucasian, Korean, Jewish, etc., business owner.

Again, it is the Black community's responsibility to protect its' own interests. If left up to the police department, rarely is it the case where the best interests of law abiding U.S. citizens who are Black are protected.

......Don't take my word for it. Ask the average Black man, woman, or child inner-city dweller when was the last time any police officer protected their best interests, and it is certain few individuals will speak highly of police officers.

The bottom line, Black people must show mutual respect for each other to increase their chances of survival, and to reduce the need for typically very negative police responses, a police response that rarely aids the afflicted, the oppressed, the victim, etc., as it pertains to Black people victimized by criminal activity.

I will say, that our present Police Chief, Los Angeles Chief William Bratton, has done more to hold police accountable to the residents of the inner-city, in a South Central Los Angeles, than all his predecessors combined! It is through Police Chief Bratton's leadership that many residents of South Central Los Angeles who formerly distrusted police officers, have formed alliances with police officers from the Los Angeles Police Department.
Bratton?? Then why the hell is there completely inappropriate conduct between police and Black people nearly every other day in LA in which the cops get off with not so much as a slap on the wrist? How is that holding police accountable? It's on the rise.

And the fact that 5-0 don't do their job is not Black people's fault. We have the right to expect qualtiy service from them (you know, that service that white people get). A couple months ago my family called the police because we heard what sounded like someone trying to break into our house at 2 am. Thank God it wasn't, because the cops didn't show up til noon the next day.

Everyone knows Black people don't often get the same treatment and protection. BUT IT'S REALLY NOT OUR JOB TO PROTECT OURSELVES. The point is, THEY are not doing what they're supposed to do! You can't pin someone else's responsibility on the entire Black community.
"Bratton?? Then why the hell is there completely inappropriate conduct between police and Black people nearly every other day in LA in which the cops get off with not so much as a slap on the wrist? How is that holding police accountable? It's on the rise.

And the fact that 5-0 don't do their job is not Black people's fault. We have the right to expect qualtiy service from them (you know, that service that white people get). A couple months ago my family called the police because we heard what sounded like someone trying to break into our house at 2 am. Thank God it wasn't, because the cops didn't show up til noon the next day." by SistahSouljah

Well Chief Bratton is doing a much better job of serving South Central Los Angeles, than former Police Chief Bernard Parks. Former Chief Bernard Parks, now Councilman Bernard Parks is carpetbagger, deceitful, protected his unethical and/or criminal personal friends in high places at the expense of the residents of South Central Los Angeles.


...more on the Rampart Scandal

Unlike the Black community, a community that protects or promotes foolishness or corruption, the Hispanic community is making, and continues to make a "grip" in mega-buck payoffs for damages behind the legacy of "Bernard Parks" as it pertains to the infamous "Rampart Scandal".
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Everyone knows Black people don't often get the same treatment and protection. BUT IT'S REALLY NOT OUR JOB TO PROTECT OURSELVES. The point is, THEY are not doing what they're supposed to do! You can't pin someone else's responsibility on the entire Black community.
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You are just a self-loathing person and you hate Black people. South Central is in a shambles. And even if the police ARE doing better at protecting Blacks from criminals, which I am not convinced of, who is going to protect Blacks from the police?!
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If left up to the police department, rarely is it the case where the best interests of law abiding U.S. citizens who are Black are protected.


Isn't this what K41 just said in the post right before yours? That the police weren't doing their job? Do you need a translator?

And so what if the reality differs sharply from the expectation. Blacks DO pay their taxes that support the police departments and have a right to expect protection.

Some whites may be stupid but they're not so stupid as to believe that other whites, out of the goodness of their hearts, "must show mutual respect for each other". They know damn well that other whites are going to be robbing them and pounding on them if left to do it. So what's the point of this "mutual respect" fairy-tale? It's a nice idea, but get real!

And I'm MAJOR PISSED that you would even indirectly defend institutional racism that doesn't care a thing about the disappearance of a young, pregnant mother.
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If left up to the police department, rarely is it the case where the best interests of law abiding U.S. citizens who are Black are protected.


Isn't this what K41 just said in the post right before yours? That the police weren't doing their job? Do you need a translator?

And so what if the reality differs sharply from the expectation. Blacks DO pay their taxes that support the police departments and have a right to expect protection.

Some whites may be stupid but they're not so stupid as to believe that other whites, out of the goodness of their hearts, "must show mutual respect for each other". They know damn well that other whites are going to be robbing them and pounding on them if left to do it. So what's the point of this "mutual respect" fairy-tale? It's a nice idea, but get real!

And I'm MAJOR PISSED that you would even indirectly defend institutional racism that doesn't care a thing about the disappearance of a young, pregnant mother.
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He doesn't care. It's really screwed up Lofton, how quick you are to point out the flaws of Black leadership and the community, but you turn your back and instead praise the corrupt white forces that continue to oppress and degrade Black people.
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You are just a self-loathing person and you hate Black people. South Central is in a shambles. And even if the police ARE doing better at protecting Blacks from criminals, which I am not convinced of, who is going to protect Blacks from the police?!



SistahSouljah,

You are correct....the reason Cheif Parks was unpopular is because he was a strict disciplinarian and was starting to take racist azz cops and break up their networks and get them out of offices and on patrol. Let me tell you firsthand.....the Police Protective League is a racist faction that 99% of the WHITE cops belong to....they are sooo racist that they never had ONE black on their executive board in the HISTORY of the LAPD until the mid-nineties despite how diverse the force was.....that is why Bradley got Gates out....because of the unwritten law that stated a black could not be higher than a LT.....he was LAPD and left for that reason and became mayor....if you ever see an incident of brutality on TV and you see the police union deny the charges...that is the union I am talking about....there are black police associations and unions also...but the Police Protective League is like a Klan faction inside of the department..listening to a useless negro who does nothing but castigate black people based on the way he feels about them and himself is a waste of time...no matter what the issue is....you know what type of posture they are going to assume...one of a racist white male that contains disdain for black people..........period.....that shit sounds like noise on AM radio and nothing more....
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You are just a self-loathing person and you hate Black people. South Central is in a shambles. And even if the police ARE doing better at protecting Blacks from criminals, which I am not convinced of, who is going to protect Blacks from the police?!



SistahSouljah,

You are correct....the reason Cheif Parks was unpopular is because he was a strict disciplinarian and was starting to take racist azz cops and break up their networks and get them out of offices and on patrol. Let me tell you firsthand.....the Police Protective League is a racist faction that 99% of the WHITE cops belong to....they are sooo racist that they never had ONE black on their executive board in the HISTORY of the LAPD until the mid-nineties despite how diverse the force was.....that is why Bradley got Gates out....because of the unwritten law that stated a black could not be higher than a LT.....he was LAPD and left for that reason and became mayor....if you ever see an incident of brutality on TV and you see the police union deny the charges...that is the union I am talking about....there are black police associations and unions also...but the Police Protective League is like a Klan faction inside of the department..listening to a useless negro who does nothing but castigate black people based on the way he feels about them and himself is a waste of time...no matter what the issue is....you know what type of posture they are going to assume...one of a racist white male that contains disdain for black people..........period.....that shit sounds like noise on AM radio and nothing more....


It makes perfect sense. There are too many 'incidents' of police brutality for them to all be classified as random occurences. It doesn't surprise me that there is a force behind it, trying to constantly cover up mishaps.

Which makes it ALL THE MORE DISGUSTING that Lofton would support this human branding iron. He is no better; he is nothing but the same and perhaps even worse. We've come to expect the hate from white people...but this...this is pure bullshit at it's finest. He can never be counted as part of the brotherhood. And besides that, he continually manages to oppose Blacks at every available opportunity, showcasing their flaws, denying that racist whites have anything to do with the struggle, and failing to provide solutions. He is a worthless human, and does not even deserve to be called a MAN, let alone BLACK.
Neither Kevin41, Popcorn, SistahSouljah, have anything to back up their contentions but lip service, character assassination, nonsense, falsehoods, erroneous information, etc., thus it is a waste of my valuable time to respond to the likes of Kevin41, Popcorn, SistahSouljah, etc., etc.

Park's contributed to his own ouster from the LAPD by ignoring the rights of rank and file police officers. Although Bernard Parks now holds office in the 8th district, Parks is not respected anywhere else. In addition, Bernard Parks is carrying too much dead weight, the dead weight being his attitude of being disgruntled for being ousted from the LAPD, and the gullible segment of the Black community who praise him!

Former Los Angeles Police Chief was removed or forced to resign because he is not a good administrator, and incompetent.

Heck, the rank of file of the LAPD promoted the removal of Chief Parks from the position of Police Chief! A test of good leadership is determined by the respect and admiration of those in the trenches, and not upper-management. Chief Parks would like to blame his ouster on the "Race Card". The gullible nature of the majority of the Black community would accept this falsehood, proved false by the reality that the rank and file of the LAPD are from various ethnic backgrounds, both genders, every creed, every religious belief, and/or cultural heritage.


....The unwarranted sarcasm sent my direction by Kevin41, Popcorn, SistahSouljah is meaningless to me, because neither of these individuals are an ingredient to my success story, a success story of moving from rags to riches!

...as for self loathing, more so than I, this label fits many of the Black community's own incompetent, unethical, treasonous, and many times criminal elected representatives, journalists, social workers, probation officers, police officers, administrators, medical doctors, preachers, teachers, lawyers, and those who are middleclass or otherwise who praise that misfit set, or individuals who are unworthy of praise.

When given the chance to do the right thing far too many of these individuals have chosen to be sleazy, incompetent, treasonous, foul mouthed, uncouth, un-American, unethical, criminal, perverted, backwards, unfit, immoral, etc.

Makes no sense to praise or follow in the footsteps of any loser, or anyone bent on being sleazy, incompetent, treasonous, foul mouthed, uncouth, un-American, unethical, criminal, perverted, backwards, unfit, immoral, etc.


The only community moving steadily backwards, is in fact the Black community, namely because of those whose actions are truly self loathing, self destructive, reckless, disgraceful, sleazy, incompetent, treasonous, foul mouthed, uncouth, un-American, unethical, criminal, perverted, backwards, unfit, immoral, etc., etc., etc.

"Lofton, your link... it just confirms much of what K41 said in his previous post. Did you even read his post? If you're having difficulty understanding any of this, do what our President does. Have it read to you and explained." by popcorn

"The technical term for those types of degrading and ranting sessions with such consistency has to be considered something like self-loathing or self-depreciating to the extent it is clinically observable...but i'm kool on that nonsense....you are only supposed to give a fool the benefit of the doubt and explain things to him as if he is only confused. If they demonstrate any inkling of comprehension when you explain the flaws in their reasoning and they continue to be adamant about their position with any type of logical rationale that is beyond or close to being beyond rebuttal, then they are just a bona fide, genuinine,authentic, unparalleled......fool" by Kevin41

...More likely the Black community is saturated with fools, and foolishness. Any fool, set of fools, and their money, property, family structure, and/or anything else of value soon parts. It is pointless to continue blaming our own self-destruction on racist caucasians, lack of enough high ranking Black police officers in the LAPD, etc., etc. There would be no need for a heavy concentration of policing authorities in the "inner-city" if Black people had more respect for themselves, and/or others! It is senseless to continue any discussion of police brutality, etc., etc., when far too often Black people are involved in criminal activity, and police officers are licensed to maim, kill, and/or inflict bodily harm.

Black people who choose to violate the law as a way of life, be it the underclass, or those who live in the burbs, evidently like being prey for police officers! Everyone has the choice to be that fool, or not be anyone's fool. The choice is up to the individual. Individual responsibility will definitely minimize the probability of becoming some fool. Lack of common sense, respect for self, respect for the property of others, will guarantee a life of being your own self-created unparalled fool.


.....No need to. Kevin41's message is not relevant. 8th District Los Angeles City Councilman Bernard Parks is a carpet-bagger and a loser unworthy of praise.

Elected representatives such as Bernard Parks, "Brentwood" Burke, "Kerosene" Waters, "the has been old fogie serving foreign interests at the expense of the residents of South Central Los Angeles no good illegal immigrant" Merv Dymally, "Caught with his pants down while having sex with a prostitute in a government owned vehicle while on the payroll of the taxpayer's no good sleazy carpetbagging" Kevin Murray, etc., etc., will be removed from office by demographic shifts, since the typical Black voters choose to waste their right to vote on misfits!


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Neither Kevin41, Popcorn, SistahSouljah, have anything to back up the contentions but lip service, thus it is a waste of my valueable time to response to either Kevin41, Popcorn, or SistahSouljah.

Former Los Angeles Police Chief was removed or forced to resign because he is not a good administrator, and incompetent. Heck, the rank of file of the LAPD promoted the removal of Chief Parks from the position of Police Chief!


Of course you can't stand us; we actually USE the brain inside our skulls!
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Lofton, your link... it just confirms much of what K41 said in his previous post. Did you even read his post? If you're having difficulty understanding any of this, do what our President does. Have it read to you and explained.
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Popcorn,

The technical term for those types of degrading and ranting sessions with such consistency has to be considered something like self-loathing or self-deprecating to the extent it is clinically observable...but i'm kool on that nonsense....you are only supposed to give a fool the benefit of the doubt and explain things to him as if he is only confused. If they demonstrate any inkling of comprehension when you explain the flaws in their reasoning and they continue to be adamant about their position with any type of logical rationale that is beyond or close to being beyond rebuttal, then they are just a bona fide, genuinine,authentic, unparalleled......fool
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If they demonstrate any inkling of comprehension when you explain the flaws in their reasoning and they continue to be adamant about their position withOUT any type of logical rationale that is beyond or close to being beyond rebuttal, then they are just a bona fide, genuinine,authentic, unparalleled......fool



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