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No, the "White Boy" thing is what you just did... just like a "White Boy" on another forum. He, too, had problems with making an actual point and tried to play games (and LOST) like you.


The GROWN UP thing to do is for you to practice what you preach. So I expect to see you pointing out any and every point in my posts (from out exchanges on threads when you thought you had a point about Cosby, etc.) you were sure not to miss.


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one who has tired of your juvenile invent an argument games.


Apparently, I "invented" one with striking precision. Thank you very little.

As proof that you don't practice what you preach and how it is you who have INVENTED something to complain about (and FAILED)... I know you'll recall the way you "INVENTED" the argument on TONE LOCO or some such thread where you said something to the effect of:

"You wouldn't talk that way to your boss or to people in person (referring to my use of language, profanity, etc.)"

What you said there, by your logic, is an INVENTION on the same order of what I've said.
You can really tell a person who loves to argue for the sake of arguing when the somebody gets tired of arguing, and all of a sudden thats a sign of weakness in his argument.

Kweli, I had this same problem when Nmaginate took over a thread where I was trying to discuss some issues. He first criticized me saying to prove that they were real issues, then he criticized me more for arguing with him instead of addressing the issues, then he criticized me even more for trying to not argue with him and instead focus on the issues.

If there's one thing he's good at, he can find a criticism. It'll probably be the same criticisms circled around at everybody on this board a time or two, but he will find a reason to criticize you.
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
No, the "White Boy" thing is what you just did... just like a "White Boy" on another forum. He, too, had problems with making an actual point and tried to play games (and LOST) like you.


The GROWN UP thing to do is for you to practice what you preach. So I expect to see you pointing out any and every point in my posts (from out exchanges on threads when you thought you had a point about Cosby, etc.) you were sure not to miss.


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one who has tired of your juvenile invent an argument games.


Apparently, I "invented" one with striking precision. Thank you very little.

As proof that you don't practice what you preach and how it is you who have INVENTED something to complain about (and FAILED)... I know you'll recall the way you "INVENTED" the argument on TONE LOCO or some such thread where you said something to the effect of:

"You wouldn't talk that way to your boss or to people in person (referring to my use of language, profanity, etc.)"

What you said there, by your logic, is an INVENTION on the same order of what I've said.


lol 20 20 lol

As I said before, you would have a hard time finding a point on a needle. So you invent your own and then argue against it.

I also said that there is a clinical term for your bullsh!t. And your every response to my postings proves the point.

I'm moving on.
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Virtue/Khalliqa: ROFL......

Peace,
Khalliqa


Most people are not aware of this fact [i.e. we continue to use "Uncle Tom" in the incorrect context] because most have never read this 'fictional' work by Harriet Beecher Stowe that exposed the deeds of this wicked nation.

Thanks for responding!



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You can really tell a person who loves to argue for the sake of arguing when the somebody gets tired of arguing, and all of a sudden thats a sign of weakness in his argument.


CORRECTION: I see it for what it is. A self-serving ploy. That's all it is. Plus KWELI has so many other "signs of weakness" that (if I regarded as a "sign") this one, BEGGING ME TO STOP EXPOSING HIM, would not only be his "strongest" (which obviously isn't saying much) but his smartest as well. That is, if only I was motivated by things that serve his purposes...

Unfortunately for him... and you... and Ebony... and anyone else... I AM NOT. The Okey Doke (me going for it) went out with the horse and buggy. But ya'll can keep trying those weak rhetorical (leading and loaded... TELEGRAPHED and pre-empted questions)... Do you. Be weak. Be desperate.

But, BLAKE... You can explain your question marks...

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Confused @ KWELI (what he Posted August 09, 2006 08:51 AM)


I know I found his weird and off-the-wall gesture for a TRUCE (as if we were/are at war... Well, maybe in KWELI'S weak mind) to be rather strange even if you didn't.

So, yeah... (lol) A TRUCE is precede by a "war" of some type. Thanks, KWELI! You've just showed us a clear picture of how you WEAK-think.

A TRUCE? C'mon dude... You know you have no reason, outside of the BS that exists in your mind, to think that "We Are At War." In your own words, from me to you: GET OVER YOURSELF. Roll Eyes

You got to bring some first for us to be "at war." You're way too light in the cakes, my man. Too Light.
No. Please get them grits off your face. Oh but you can let me know:

[1] When you're going to list the things you were sure not to miss in my posts...

[2] When you can actually find an angle or argument that won't blow up in your face (like the one here).



And... "whatever" won't help you. Deciding to be NON-PHONY will.


... Okey Dokey! lol
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But, BLAKE... You can explain your question marks...


Because he was winning the argument. So I didnt see the need for a truce. Confused
I just knew (from past experience) that you would take that as a sign of a weakness and use it as a means to develop a new argument against him.

I dont know whats funnier, watching you lose an argument or watching you searching desperately for the strings of hope so that you may have SOMETHING to say, even if it means ignoring the whole argument itself. laugh
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Because he was winning the argument. So I didnt see the need for a truce.


lol


Okey Dokey!


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I dont know whats funnier, watching you lose an argument or watching you searching desperately for the strings of hope



What you say? ek

BLAKE MANNER:
Meanwhile, we have problems in the Black community that you criticize Cosby for mentioning. Is it because you believe they do not exist, or because you know that to actually adress the problem will take WORK instead of just the arguments that you've seemed to master on this message board?


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...so that you may have SOMETHING to say, even if it means ignoring the whole argument itself.


What "whole argument"? Lay out the CONTOURS and the CONTEXT. nono


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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
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Because he was winning the argument. So I didnt see the need for a truce.


lol


Okey Dokey!


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I dont know whats funnier, watching you lose an argument or watching you searching desperately for the strings of hope



What you say? ek

BLAKE MANNER:
Meanwhile, we have problems in the Black community that you criticize Cosby for mentioning. Is it because you believe they do not exist, or because you know that to actually adress the problem will take WORK instead of just the arguments that you've seemed to master on this message board?


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...so that you may have SOMETHING to say, even if it means ignoring the whole argument itself.


What "whole argument"? Lay out the CONTOURS and the CONTEXT. nono


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I dont know whats funnier, watching you lose an argument or watching you searching desperately for the strings of hope so that you may have SOMETHING to say, even if it means ignoring the whole argument itself.


THE DEFINITION: PROJECTIONISM

THE PROJECTOR: BLAKE MANNER



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Originally posted by Nmaginate:

What "whole argument"? Lay out the CONTOURS and the CONTEXT.


BLAKE: ************ S I L E N T **********

>>> He just wanted to "have SOMETHING to say"...
Now that's his bluff has been called... RADIO SILENT <<<
You're so weak... you can't tell that I don't give a damn whether I am or not. You're the one with those PHONY...
Frown "that's not the person I am or want to be" Frown pretenses.


But I can't knock you for wanting that prestigous Internet Rep. Roll Eyes
Or for praying you can find some ploy to get the TRUCE you need...
(to get me off... off of your "war-time" mind).


MOCK THIS... Let me know:

[1] When you're going to list the things you were sure not to miss in my posts...

[2] When you can actually find an angle or argument that won't blow up in your face (like the one here).


Get your Internet Rep right there, KWELI... Get your "MOCK" ON right there... with your weak and desperate "TRUCE" mentality.

Frown "I'll *mock* him into submission. The TRUCE thing didn't work. Got to find something." Frown


KNOW that you don't have the skills to "mock" me.
You would actually have to put together an argument, a sound and sustainable argument to even begin to do that or think you can use some type of fallacious little ploy to get me to TRUCE with you (as if we are at "war").

Keep on serving up the self-serving BS, Kweli... Underwhelm me some more... with the same ole lines.
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(And no, I am not with you!!)


Putting on Nmaginate hat: Since you say you are not laughing with me, you must be laughing at me. Blah, Blah, Blah.

Nmaginate hat off, replacing it with reasonable, ego-balanced hat: Your comment couldn't possibly mean that you just are not laughing ... could it?

I'm laughing to keep from crying. It's sooooo painful to watch.

Nmaginate, you have gone from insightful commentator to the board joke. It's a sad, sad thing to witness. sad
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Nmaginate, you have gone from insightful commentator to the board joke. It's a sad, sad thing to witness.


And you still think I give a damn...

Separate yourself from these tired pretenses. But I can help you out. I'll quote your statement for 10000 times if that will make you feel like you're making a point.

Sorry, KWELI... I don't go for the OKEY DOKEy.
(Like I give a damn whether I'm seen as a "joke" or not. That's something that resonates and is important for you. F~ck an INTERNET REP. WTF is that?)

Know that I consider the source(s).
And know the only thing prohibiting you from such "insights" is this whole YOU DON'T PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH phenomenon:

(*ahem*) LET ME KNOW...
[1] When you're going to list the things you were sure not to miss in my posts...


NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



PS:

I don't post for you (and whatever "insights" you would like to get from me) or anybody else here. Try those pre-school angles with your fellow SILENT MAJORITY, Too Scared To Fully Voice What They Believe In Public (Decorum, Decorum) buddies.
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Putting on Nmaginate hat: Since you say you are not laughing with me, you must be laughing at me. Blah, Blah, Blah.

Nmaginate hat off, replacing it with reasonable, ego-balanced hat: Your comment couldn't possibly mean that you just are not laughing ... could it?


BOGUS... I don't give a $hit if you laugh. This is the Internet, KWELI.

What part of that don't you understand?
Here you are crying...

Frown Nmag, please stop... cause... cause... it's painful... and I'm hurt... and... and... Frown

KWELI, serve up an argument on an actual topic and do the back-and-forth ON TOPIC as much as you're doing all this SELF-SERVING psycho-babble, pseudo-psycho-analytical dumb-dumb.

See.... You're quick to call it quits then. Such is the extent of your "insights" and ability to do anything approaching a "conflict", from my perspective, that's "TRUCE"-worthy. You know me, I like it when folks want to mix posting (ON THE TOPIC) business with a snap & laugh pleasure. Your problem is: you obviously can't Chew Gum & Walk Straight. It's either one or the other with you. Weak and slow folks need it that simple.

And please keep laughing and showing just how much you want to hide from the fact that you're always on some phony BS (and on the run away from any semblance of discussing the topic or comments made on it).

(*ahem*) LET ME KNOW...
When you're going to list the things you were sure not to miss in my posts...

I mean, that's the standard you wanted to set for me. Be my Role Model, KWELI... Show how you and all your pretenses are not a joke and as fake as you want to be. All this LAUGHING TO KEEP FROM CRYING by you won't cover that up. YOU ARE EXPOSED! And you can finally get around to explaining what you hope or think you're going to accomplish... what's your motivation and purpose for expressing things that don't mean anything to me with the idea, the hope... the desperate desire that they do:

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Nmaginate, you have gone from insightful commentator to the board joke. It's a sad, sad thing to witness.


I mean, this is really WEAK, Kweli. Very, very WEAK. But do you... sck
This is what happen to those who FOLLOW Cosby the LONGEST.

Catch up with the Huxtables

By Mark Lowry
Star-Telegram Staff Writer
Lisa Bonet
 
Lisa Bonet

No one could argue that The Cosby Show (1984-92) was the breakout TV sitcom of the '80s. About an upper-middle-class African-American family, it was groundbreaking and picked up a slew of Emmys, Golden Globes and other awards along the way.

The heads of the Huxtable clan are still in the news, what with Bill Cosby's often-controversial remarks and Phylicia Rashad's recent rebirth on Broadway (she won a best actress Tony for Lena in Lorraine Hansberry's classic A Raisin in the Sun, a role she'll repeat for a 2007 TV movie).

But what about all those children?

Sabrina Le Beauf

She was Sondra, the eldest of the Huxtable offspring, linked with her annoying husband, Elvin. After that series, Le Beauf pursued a career in interior design and continued her first love, live theater. She also does voiceover work for Bill Cosby's animated show, Fatherhood, on Nickelodeon.

Lisa Bonet

Lisa Bonet

The most controversial of the Cosby kids, thanks to her sex scene with Mickey Rourke in Angel Heart and posing nude on the cover of Rolling Stone. She had the hit spinoff A Different World and a kid with her now ex-husband, rocker Lenny Kravitz. In 1995, she changed her name to Lilakoi Moon, and has had select film roles since (High Fidelity, Biker Boyz).

Malcolm-Jamal Warner

"Theo" later had another TV show, Malcolm & Eddie which ran from 1996-2000. He has a jazz band and is active in the Def Poetry Jam scene. He also wrote an autobiography called Theo and Me: Growing Up OK.

Tempestt Bledsoe

She had a daytime talk show in the '90s and has continued with small film roles and guest spots. Earlier this year, she was on the third season of Celebrity Fit Club, a sure sign that your career is going downhill.

Keshia Knight Pulliam

She later won celebrity editions of The Weakest Link and Fear Factor, and has been working on revitalizing her film career. She was one of the sassy hairdressers in Beauty Shop. She also earned a sociology degree, which she might need to get over forever being called "Rudy."

Raven

She went by Raven-Symoné when she played the adopted Olivia late in the Cosby series. She's arguably the most currently successful on this list, thanks to a hit kids show called That's So Raven.

Raven who was on the COSBY SHOW the SHORTEST amount of TIME received HER VERY OWN SUCCESS with the TV PUBLIC especially CHILDREN while everyone else just seemingly DWINDLED including COSBY with the VIEWING TV PUBLIC POPULARITY. Although Phylicia Rashad has been active with the NY AFRICAN SLAVE BURIAL GROUND, it's a WONDER she is STILL in the NEWS.

Hear's a heads up:

Book TV Alert
C-SPAN2's Book TV: August 12-14
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After Words
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Insightful author interviews
(Saturday 9 PM ET, Sunday 6 PM and 9 PM ET)

In his book Enough, Juan Williams, senior correspondent for NPR and political analyst for Fox News Channel, expands on the arguments made by Bill Cosby during his 2004 speech to the NAACP. He discusses the book with Michael Eric Dyson, author of Is Bill Cosby Right?
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Originally posted by Santana St. Cloud:
Hear's a heads up:

Book TV Alert
C-SPAN2's Book TV: August 12-14
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


After Words
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Insightful author interviews
(Saturday 9 PM ET, Sunday 6 PM and 9 PM ET)

In his book Enough, Juan Williams, senior correspondent for NPR and political analyst for Fox News Channel, expands on the arguments made by Bill Cosby during his 2004 speech to the NAACP. He discusses the book with Michael Eric Dyson, author of Is Bill Cosby Right?



This aught to be good...
Cosby's message still being ignored

http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2...100346/1006/OPINIONS

Here's a scoop for you, America: Bill Cosby has a hard time getting his message out.
"The media love to choose what they want to use," he said. "I can't go door-to-door to tell everyone what I really mean."



But Dr. William H. Cosby Jr., Ph.D. Ed., did manage to get a hold of your humble scribe on my cell phone on a Friday afternoon during my vacation, scoring some rare cool points for me in the process by saying hi to my teenage son.

Cosby's like my 100-year-old grandmother; you never know what to expect from him. My heart pounded. Was he calling to praise? To complain? To sue?

As it turned out, he was calling to complain, but not about me. He appreciated my column about the national debate he ignited with his now-famous speech on the 50th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education.

Cosby was calling out of frustration, he said, over the failures of other media to report what he has been trying to say. The Washington Post, which first reported the uproar over his 2004 speech, and other media have focused too much, in his view, on his sarcastic language. Too little attention has been given to the problems about which he was speaking: the crime, violence, school dropouts, out-of-wedlock births and other self-inflicted plagues among black youths left behind by civil rights reforms.

"Our children are trying to tell us something, and we're not listening," he said.

I listened. He talked. I took notes. Among those who missed his point, the last straw for Cosby appears to have been an op-ed essay by Michael Eric Dyson, a University of Pennsylvania humanities professor and well-known Cosby critic, in the July 21 Post. Dyson lashed Cosby's "blame-the-poor tour" for ignoring major political and economic forces that continue to reinforce black poverty, such as low wages, outsourcing, capital flight, downsizing and substandard schools.

"None of these can be overcome by the good behavior of poor blacks," Dyson declared.

But, of course, that statement is wrong, dangerously wrong in the disrespect it pays to the value of good behavior. As generations of successful black families can attest, good behavior won't solve all of your problems, but it beats drugs, crime, abuse, child neglect or other self-destructive behavior.

Cosby offered two stellar examples, Jachin Leatherman and Wayne Nesbit, who defied the usual young black male stereotypes by graduating at the top of their class from Ballou High School, which has one of the District of Columbia's worst crime, poverty and dropout rates. Having survived distractions that included the shooting death of one of Nesbit's football teammates, the two athletes are headed for the College of the Holy Cross this fall.

At a July forum in Washington that featured Cosby, Harvard psychiatrist Alvin Poussaint and other experts on the state of black men in America, both of these bright young men were asked how they did it. They praised their fathers and their coaches for "staying on top" of them.

"There's the answer right there," Cosby said. "Why won't the media cover that?"

Alas, in newsroom terms, the lads are a heartwarming but play-it-inside local human-interest story. Want more attention for your honor students? Let them hold up a liquor store. Some people think Cosby has come down too harshly on black parents who shun personal responsibility, blame police for incarcerations and let their children exalt sports over books.

Cosby might not have been harsh enough. For all of the burdens that we African Americans have to bear from a legacy of racism, we also need to call each other to account for the damage we do to ourselves.

For starters, we could use a lot more fathers like those of the Ballou scholars. Unfortunately, good dads and good moms don't grow on trees, as my own dad used to say about money. If we as a society do not do all that we can to help families in crisis and encourage parental responsibility, we will reap the ugly dividends later in our streets.

That's Cosby's message. At least, he has what some critics call his "bullying pulpit" to help get his message out "” and he's not afraid to use it.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Crash and Burn, Nmaginate ... Crash and Burn ...

Rant and Rave ... Rant and Rave

Let it go ... Step away from the mic.



KWELI, we can do this by the numbers.

On the "What are the Folks Who Criticize Bill Cosby Doing to Help Uplift Poor Blacks?" thread you mustered a staggering 6 posts. You were ready to give up in 3. That was when you thought you had a substantive position or argument. The volumes speak...

On this thread... Well, you lasted until your 4th post before you wanted to...

But the strange thing is, after all your pretenses... after all your poses... here you are posting way more times talking BS (6 vs. 15 so far) than you've ever even dared to in the midst, the meat or the heat of a real exchange. Can't chew gum and walk straight?

CRASH? and BURN? sck Dude, your $hits in flames.

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