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Originally posted by Black Viking:
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
Instead of nit-picking over who is more racist or who was racist first, we should be willing to ally with those that are willing to work with us and defend us in return (I know some like that). Like Nmaginate said, our effort should be directed at business itself, but we should also make some allies too. No one group is powerful or numerous enough to take on the System by themself.

Does this statement also apply to white people, or is it impossible for an individual white person to be an ally?


***long Sigh***

Black people don't have any allies. Nor does any other group want to be our allies. Asians, Whites, Hispanics and any other group for that matter only want to be our allies when it serves their interest. The world has never worked the way you perceive it. This is the cold hard truth. Why can't you comprehend this, Black Viking? I thought we went over this before. And why are the misguided like yourself so concerned about how other people perceive Black folk with your ill-conceived efforts to change public opinion? If white folk perception of Blacks is unfavorable then that's their goddamn problem. I'm not going to kiss their ass to make them like me.

Who the hell cares about being accepted by white folk. We have our own internal problems that must be resolved by Blacks and only by Blacks in-house. It doesn't help by compounding the problem with interference from other people who don't have the collective welfare of Black people as a priority and never will. You haven't figured this out by now or you don't want to, which is it?

This tedious subject reminds me of a debate I had in college regarding the civil rights movement. Part of the problem was far too many tired negroes in the movement who's only objective was to have access or the ability to sex/marry white folk and live in their communities. Black liberation was never on the agenda. These fools allowed themselves and white folk to dupe them into believing the civil rights movement was about being "allies", friends or being accepted. ***Shaking my head***

Being allies isn't going to fix our problems. LOL! The last time I checked the Asians and whites don't need or want Blacks as allies. Possessing the economic and political liberation to choose our right of passage to do for ourselves by uplifting the Black community and re-establishing or connection with our relatives on the other side of the Atlantic is the only way to ensure our self-preservation. Not making allies with white folk, Asians, Arabs or anyone else for that matter who dont give two shits about Black people.

Wise up and get it together, "Black Viking"!

OUT!
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Originally posted by Dissident:
Asians, Whites, Hispanics and any other group for that matter only want to be our allies when it serves their interest.

Dissident, you have a unique talent for completely missing the point, while overstating the brutally obvious. What you just stated above has always been true and has not ever been in dispute.

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The world has never worked the way you perceive it. This is the cold hard truth. Why can't you comprehend this, Black Viking?

You don't have the first clue how I perceive the world. Don't project what you think I perceive/believe and then use it as a basis for your pathetic arguments.

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I thought we went over this before.

We did. Although then, as now, you had mistaken me for someone who cares about what you think.

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And why are the misguided like yourself so concerned about how other people perceive Black folk with your ill-conceived efforts to change public opinion? If white folk perception of Blacks is unfavorable then that's their goddamn problem. I'm not going to kiss their ass to make them like me.

You see, this is exactly what I mean. What the hell are you talking about? How did you pull all of that nonsense out of my question to EP? Speaking of which, EP answered the question exactly as I expected him to, and I fully agree with him. I have no idea how you blew it up into all of this garbage, but then, this is why I don't deal with you.

Loose cannons are entertaining, but not very productive.
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Originally posted by UppityNegress:

However, if you willingly migrate here, attain a much better life than you would otherwise have, and then refuse to leave, you have no right to criticise anything here.


bs bs bs bs bs

Now I know that you don't want to hear what my wife has had to say about this country, whether on the 4th of July, or on any other day for that matter. (Especially since much of it is in spanish.)
Well, that would depend. If you wife is an American citizen by birth or naturalization, then I wouldn't care what she says. In fact, I probably agree with her anyway. But just as I'm sure my neighbor doesn't want to hear me complaining about how inadequate I find her house if she so graciously takes me in when mine is destroyed, I do not really care about the criticisms of ilegal imigrants who willingly choses to live here (against the law!), more than likely because their own country is in shambles. Oddly, those immigrants who are so vocal about the problems of America don'tseem to spend nearly half as much time addressing the problems of their native countries.....the very same problems which goaded them to flee in the first place.
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Originally posted by UppityNegress:
Well, that would depend. If you wife is an American citizen by birth or naturalization, then I wouldn't care what she says. In fact, I probably agree with her anyway. But just as I'm sure my neighbor doesn't want to hear me complaining about how inadequate I find her house if she so graciously takes me in when mine is destroyed, I do not really care about the criticisms of ilegal imigrants who willingly choses to live here (against the law!), ...


No, my wife is not a US citizen, although she has been a legal resident for about 3 years now.

For many years she was one of those spanish speaking "illegals" that you like so much to complain about.

She has worked here illegally from 1989 to 1997 when we got married. Since then she has worked here legally.

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...more than likely because their own country is in shambles. Oddly, those immigrants who are so vocal about the problems of America don'tseem to spend nearly half as much time addressing the problems of their native countries.....the very same problems which goaded them to flee in the first place.


Is there anything in particular that you would like her to do about the situation in Colombia?

How about you tell your government to get its troops out of her country for starters? They don't seem to be listening to her.
Good message that sends: if I can't actually effect change in my country, I should go to another and complain about theirs. Yeah, that'll change things, that will.

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How about you tell your government to get its troops out of her country for starters? They don't seem to be listening to her.


I try. There was a protest a few weeks back that I participated in, but honestly Columbia isn't my problem. I am sincerely sorry about the state of affairs there, but I am not a Columbian citizen.

This seems to be getting rather personal. Like I said, I'm sorry about any hardship your wife had to endure, but I still stand by my comment that it's pretty friggin' rude to sneak into another country and then start complaining about it. I honestly don'T understand why people would say it's alright, but then call me an arrogant brainwashed imperialist if I were to go to Cancun and start bitching about how much I dispise the Mexican governement and Mexican policies (I'm not saying you personally have done this). Anywas, I've said my bit and will leave it at that
Racial Violence Behind Bars - Time For Straight Talk Between the Black and Latino Communities
By Anthony Asadullah Samad


The violence that has taken place between Black and Latino inmates in the Los Angeles (and now Riverside and San Bernadino) County Jails has caused both the black and Latino communities to take inventory of their relationship. Future relations will require candor, honesty and some historical reflection that has allowed them to peacefully co-exist for 500 years.

Black community leaders (most politicians and mega-church leaders, as well as half of the black civil rights organizations) have been nowhere in sight as the community has expressed its outrage over the mistreatment and what seems to be the purposeful isolation of black inmates among disproportionate groups of Latino inmates that have resulted in attacks on (and the death of two) Blacks behind bars. Most distressing is the overwhelming silence on the part of Latino leadership that has made many wonder aloud who controls the Latino community.

Both communities are looking at each other in bewilderment as distrust runs abound. One thing that neither community has done is really address the causes of this conflict (beyond blaming the Sheriff's Dept.-who does have some culpability in setting up some of the conflict, but is not the true source). We've only looked at the effects of what circumstances had caused. It's time both communities have a little straight talk-not about what is right but about what is true and just.

The black community first. We have to be honest about why black inmates are being attacked, and yes, it's racial. It's not about gangs moving from the streets into the jails. So-called gangs have moved in and out of jails for several decades now. And yes, overcrowding is a contributing factor. Disparate treatment by the Sheriff's Dept. is another contributing factor (that black leadership should be all over), but the principle factor is an event that should have shocked us all and a united call for justice. Has it occurred to anybody that the race riots increased significantly since the January 29th shooting of Elio Carrion by San Bernardino Sheriff's deputy, Ivory J. Webb. Once the video-taped shooting of an unarmed Air Force senior airman made its rounds on national television, the jail riots began. This is also when the Mexican Mafia allegedly "greenlighted" the attacks on black inmates.

The black community has asked why the Latino community has not spoken out on the attacks, or against the Mexican Mafia, for giving the go (if that's actually what has happened). But the black community has not led the call for Webb to be prosecuted by the San Bernardino District Attorney's Office. We are a community that knows what it's like to be racially attacked and afflicted by the larger community and not have anyone speak out. That's our history here in America and our constant complaint against so-called "right-minded" Whites that allow racism to persist in its colorblind context. Yet, it's happened to our Latino brothers and sisters, and we're silent, and several in the Latino community (including some of my students at East Los Angeles College) have asked when the black community is going to speak out on the San Bernardino shooting of a Latino citizen by a Black cop. It hasn't happened.

Now the Latino community. We have to be honest about this whole Latino empowerment trip that some in the community has waged as a "takeover" campaign based on population shifts. It's interesting that these "pro-Latino" proponents are not aggressing on Whites or Asians in the same way that they are aggressing on African Americans, even as Blacks have played a role in advancing this empowerment agenda with the election of Antonio Villaraigosa, among others. We understand that Blacks and Latinos are in direct competition for entry, middle level and even senior level jobs in a marketplace where job growth is not keeping up with population growth. It's also not lost that both communities are plagued with gang violence, but the one thing that black leaders have done is to be ardent opponents of gang violence and some of the most vocal in calling for "O.G.s" to intercede on street level and jail level conflict.

Black community activists have been among the most vocal in police attacks against Latinos, including Rampart Scandal and the baby Pina shooting. Black grassroots was among the most vocal in calling for the firing and jailing of bad black cops Rafeal Perez and David Mack, as well as the Latino LAPD officer that shot Devin Brown. The Latino leadership (except for State Senator, Gloria Romero) has been extremely closed lipped. This includes Latino clergy. Those who claim they want justice, must pursue justice in all its realms and not be influenced by "the color of injustice." Dr. King said that "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." This could never be more true than in this instance. If Blacks want justice behind bars, we have to call for justice in the streets, and if Latinos want justice for Elio Carrion in the streets, they have to call for justice behind bars.

For the racial jail violence to stop, the black community, including black leadership, must march on San Bernardino (as it has marched on Riverside, Claremont and Lancaster) and call on the District Attorney's Office, who has investigated some 120 officer involved shooting in San Bernardino County-and has never charged an officer-to charge Ivory Webb with attempted murder under the collar of authority, so due process can take its course and the truth about what really happened can be known. And the Latino community, including Latino leadership, is going to have to call a halt-via the Mexican mafia or otherwise-to the attacks of black inmates in the county jails. Both communities must put what is just before what they think is right. Rightness is relative (and some even think revenge is right). We must understand that what some of us think right isn't always just. But what is just is always right. If we can stand a little straight talk, justice must prevail in both communities, and we must help each other get justice in each other's cause.

Anthony Asadullah Samad is a national columnist, managing director of the Urban Issues Forum and author of 50 Years After Brown: The State of Black Equality In America (Kabili Press, 2005). He can be reached at www.AnthonySamad.com

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