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Hitler's Bank Bares Its Dark Past

There's no way to put a positive spin on German industry's collaboration with the Nazi regime before and during World War II, so Dresdner Bank Chief Executive Herbert Walter didn't try. Presenting the results of an independent study of Dresdner's role in the Holocaust, Walter admitted: "It confronts us with bitter historical truths. We accept these truths, even when they are painful."

Painful is hardly a strong enough word. According to the study by a team of historians from German universities, Dresdner functioned as the house bank to Hitler's Schutzstaffel (SS), lending more money than any other bank to the organization that was at the forefront of the most ghastly atrocities. Dresdner, co-founded by Eugen Gutmann, who was Jewish, quickly expelled its Jewish employees after the Nazi takeover and arbitrarily cut the pension payments of Jewish retirees. The bank even owned a stake in the construction company that built the crematorium at the Auschwitz concentration camp.
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U.S. wants Holocaust archives opened
U.S. officials and Holocaust museum leaders want the historical archives of the Nazi genocide opened to the public despite German vows to keep it closed...

Information on 17.5 million people are stored in it, including details on which prisoners were experimented on and who, including Jews, collaborated with Nazis, reports. The New York Times
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Throughout the 18th century, the total population of Germany tripled in size. The Jewish community in Germany also increased at high rate. Because of this rapid increase, many Jews were forced to live in poverty. Jews had few employment opportunities and were not allowed to join the army, work as laborers or own land to farm. While they were forced to live as beggars, a law was decreed so as to make Jewish begging illegal. Jews who were caught begging could be punished by death.

The majority of impoverished Jews were not taken care of by their communities. They were instead forced to roam the country, begging for food, and eventually turning to thievery. This intense poverty led to an eruption of Jewish gangs. Criminal gangs became well-organized groups, creating charity funds to give to the families of other criminals or to the sick. The Jewish gangs were so organized, in fact, that many gang members found themselves rising in their societal status.
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I brought this up because of another conversation I'm having elsewhere that centers around Jews/Holocaust. While surfin' I came across the above information and was reminded of this statement by Maulana Karenga addressing the topic of Reparations for African-Americans and the idea that there were Africans or Blacks who collaborated with the Slave Trade, etc.

Every holocaust had collaborators: the Native Americans, Jews, Australoids, Armenians and Africans. No one morally sensitive claims Jews are responsible for their holocaust based on the evidence of Jewish collaborators. How then are Africans indicted for the collaborators among them?
At first, I thought the title of the thread was an admonishment, which I thought was curious.

After reading your followup comment, it is clear it is a statement of fact.

And your right, it isn't thrown up in their face.

I think it is a part of the 'Grand Agreement'. Somethings just are not 'done in polite society'...so to speak.

The implied question of your thread's title points at treatment we give 'collaborators' in African American culture.

PEACE

Jim Chester
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The implied question of your thread's title points at treatment we give 'collaborators' in African American culture.
No. There is no such implication. What is implied and clearly alluded to is how people in general, particular non-African Americans, try to act as if the presence of collaborators de-legitimatizes or otherwise lessens African-American claims to Reparations.
Ok Africans may have been involved in the slave trade, but who committed the crimes against us?
Who raped, tortured, molested, made us mentally into slaves, murdered us at will, lynched us, economically, socially kept us at a large disadvantage, systematically disconnected us from our original languages, culture, religions and African heritage? It wasn't Africans. We need to recognize that, first and foremost. How many native africans in America owned slaves and treated them like whites did? When our people bought one another it was to set them free, contrary to some reports written about African slave owners in the U.S. by the way which is a tactic to deflect the guilt of the white general population.
So although they may throw that bit about Africans involvement in the slave trade, once you know the truth of the matter, they can't hold it over our heads or their heads either. This is the message that needs to be conveyed here.
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The implied question of your thread's title points at treatment we give 'collaborators' in African American culture.
No. There is no such implication. What is implied and clearly alluded to is how people in general, particular non-African Americans, try to act as if the presence of collaborators de-legitimatizes or otherwise lessens African-American claims to Reparations.


Thanks for the specifics.

Those who believe, or advocate this should be redirected with the info you provided.

It certainly is clear enough.


PEACE

Jim Chester
"...The Nazis used the Jewish leaders in most European cities and the ghettos of the Eastern Occupied Territories and Poland to provide a census of their Jewish populations. These Judenrat were also required to provide lists of names -- Jews to be transported to the death camps -- and to provide Jewish police to enforce the collection of their people. It would not have been possible for the Nazis to have killed so many Jews in such a short time without the co-operation of the Junderat. This is an awkward historical truth, as revealed by historians such as Raul Hilberg and Hanna Arendt.16 As historian Raul Hilberg states:
    "As time passed by, the Jewish councils became increasingly impotent in their efforts to cope with the welfare efforts of their task, but they made themselves felt all the more in their implementation of Nazi decrees. With the growth of the destructive function of the Judenrat, many Jewish leaders felt an almost irresistible urge to look like their German masters. In March 1940 a Nazi observer in Krackow was struck by the contrast between the poverty and filth in the Jewish quarter and the business like luxury of the Jewish community headquarters, which was filled with beautiful charts, comfortable leather chairs, and heavy carpets. In Warsaw the Jewish oligarchy took to wearing boots. In the Lodz ghetto "dictator" Rumkowski printed postage stamps bearing his likeness and made speeches which contained expressions such as "my children," "my factories," and "my Jews."
It would appear that the desire to live often overruled all moral considerations. This observation can be made not only of the Jewish individuals who were leaders but of the Jewish population as a whole, and indeed, of the German population also. Many people lived with fear and persecution during the war; under these circumstances morality did not offer a safe refuge...

http://www.geocities.com/aleph135/P2WC.HTML
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What is implied and clearly alluded to is how people in general, particular non-African Americans, try to act as if the presence of collaborators de-legitimatizes or otherwise lessens African-American claims to Reparations.


Exactly!

[QUOTE}How then are Africans indicted for the collaborators among them?[QUOTE]

It is true, Afrika did "take part" in the disenfrancisement of her people. However, the Catholic Church, Arabs, Portuguese and Spanish Jews (Grandee's) took this mass de-humaniziation to a whole nother level and swallowed up those "Afrikans who initially took part...

Thanks, Nmaginate--good topic!

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