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Originally posted by Norland:
OK, so Condi's educated. She'll be OK as long as there's oil flowing somewhere on this planet.


*ha ha*

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My choice of millionaire/billionaire is Oprah over Condi for my admiration. I've seen Oprah do wonderful things for people; ...


She has her issues, but she has proven her good intentions. I am a firm believer in karma, and I think she has plenty of the good kind coming her way.

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...all I know about Condi is that she has expensive shoe tastes.


And, that she loves her husband... uhhh' pRresident.
No wonder tha' Skeeza is afflicted:
Author - Eugene Robinson
    "Ms. Rice's father, a prominent pastor in Birmingham, looked down on Shuttlesworth [Fred] and his small working class congregation, and publicly called them "uneducated, misguided Negroes." But, in 2005, a life-size statute of Shuttlesworth stands majestically for all the ages in front of the Birmingham Civil Rights Museum. Rev. Rice's monument is his daughter's high position in a Republican administration that has 2% support in black America. That is poetic justice personified."
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    My dear wife speaks with disdain about white people, particularly Southern whites, who exalt blacks like Rice for downplaying the terrible toll of racism, past and present. Every ranking black official in the Bush Administration fits that mold and is a replica of Rice. 40 years ago, Bull Connor and George Wallace called King and Shuttlesworth irresponsible and applauded Rice's father and others of his ilk as "responsible moderate Negro leaders."
I have been reluctant to characterize Rev. Rice's attitude as characteristic of the intra-racism that has plagued us for generations. Everything I hear about her upbringing, however, had that ring to it.

How she was brought up is not her fault.

How she lives her life now is totally her choice.

She is who she is.

Let's hope, and help, her grow in the reasonable responsibility to her people.

PEACE

Jim Chester
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Let's hope, and help, her grow in the reasonable responsibility to her people.


Mr. Chester:

Do you ever step back and survey the landscape of Black elected officials that are representing Black people and apply this same rationale to them?

When you say "responsibility to her people" do you ever imagine the concept of measuring this by the RESULTS rather than the POPULAR MANDATE that these people in their current state of mind may have?

What if 3 people are 200 pounds over weight and you are their personal trainer? Their "popular mandate" may be to live a sedentary lifestyle - watching television and going to restaurants. THEIR CURRENT STATE OF BEING would tend to produce evidence to them as to the EFFECTIVENESS of their "popular mandate" and how it contributes to their current state of obesity, right?

Now you as a personal trainer, seeing the cause and effect are forced to come in and show them a diffent way that would tend to upset their "popular mandate". They will be forced to change their ways and it will be hard work. You will no doubt be attacked when they wake up the next morning and they are sore. They will note that in their previous way of doing things THEY WERE NEVER SORE. They used to enjoy appetizing food and now you have them eating TASTELESS MUSH.

Do you think that YOU will be a popular man with them Mr Chester?

With this little tale can we both agree that we need to have some LONG TERM REFERENCE - getting the people back to a state of reasonable body weight AND THEN JUDGE THEIR "Personal Trainer's" program based on their respective ability to achieve this goal?

With this in mind please tell me " responsibility to her people" that Maxine Waters, Cynthia McKinney, Kwami Killpatrick and several others that seem to escape your rath have shown?
Mr. Chester:

Do you ever step back and survey the landscape of Black elected officials that are representing Black people and apply this same rationale to them?---CF

Yes, always. What other reasonable thing can you do? They are in the office. I certainly cannot change that.

When you say "responsibility to her people" do you ever imagine the concept of measuring this by the RESULTS rather than the POPULAR MANDATE that these people in their current state of mind may have?---CF

Yes. If they have failed, as is frequently the case, it is always a disappointment. But the circumstance has not changed for that person. They are still in the office. And...I cannot change that.

Come election time, and maybe someone else will get a chance, and hopefully do better.

I don't know what 'popular mandate...mentality' means.


What if 3 people are 200 pounds over weight and you are their personal trainer? Their "popular mandate" may be to live a sedentary lifestyle - watching television and going to restaurants. THEIR CURRENT STATE OF BEING would tend to produce evidence to them as to the EFFECTIVENESS of their "popular mandate" and how it contributes to their current state of obesity, right?

Now you as a personal trainer, seeing the cause and effect are forced to come in and show them a diffent way that would tend to upset their "popular mandate". They will be forced to change their ways and it will be hard work. You will no doubt be attacked when they wake up the next morning and they are sore. They will note that in their previous way of doing things THEY WERE NEVER SORE. They used to enjoy appetizing food and now you have them eating TASTELESS MUSH.

Do you think that YOU will be a popular man with them Mr Chester?---CF

As posed, the answer to your question would have to be, 'No.', but your analogy is not applicable.

I have no immediate authority over a sitting official. My next opportunity to effect that person will only be to keep or remove that person, and that would be assuming I live in the jurisdiction. Otherwise, I am simply a bystander.


With this little tale can we both agree that we need to have some LONG TERM REFERENCE - getting the people back to a state of reasonable body weight AND THEN JUDGE THEIR "Personal Trainer's" program based on their respective ability to achieve this goal?

No, we can't agree, because it is wishful thinking.

Neither African American-American, nor any other public official of African ancestry serves at the discretion and pleasure of all people of African ancestry, known or unknown.

Neither does Dr. Rice.


With this in mind please tell me " responsibility to her people" that Maxine Waters, Cynthia McKinney, Kwami Killpatrick and several others that seem to escape your rath have shown?---Construction Feedback

Clearly, and without reference to your inapplicable analogy, you have not read my posts regarding members of the Congressional Black Caucus.

I have repeatedly 'called them to task' for failing to challenge the 'inequity under the law' provisions of the Voting Rights Act.

I have also challenged them, the members of the CBC, for supporting the ill-conceived House Resolution of Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. AND their similar support of the incompetent proposed petition of the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition regarding extension of the 'special provisions' of that law as they effect African American-Amreicans.


PEACE

Jim Chester
POPULAR MANDATE:

Popular Mandate is a tactic used frequently, for example, on BlackCommentator.com in which they attempt to JUSTIFY their views and ideology for the benefit of Black people on the basis that "most Blacks think this way" (and thus it must be so) rather than on producing emperical evidence that certain policy are EFFECTIVE at having the collective to achieve their stated goals.

Thus when some other Black comes to the table having views that are not in line with the popularly held beliefs that this cabal ENFORCES this Black person is said to have views that are COUNTER TO THE BEST INTERESTS OF BLACK PEOPLE as measured NOT BY any emperical evidence but BY THE POPULARITY of the views that this person is running counter to.

My point is that Popular Mandate in and of itself is not a construct that can be used as a fundamental principle. Popular Mandate must be build upon truth and policies that are proven to work lest you end up enforcing people to be unified behind policies that they can see are not working BUT they not wanting to go against what is said to be in the "Best Interests of their Race" will remain silent and "Get In Where They Fit In".

It seems to me that anyone who makes the claim "in the best interests...." would be able to PROVE this without using the attack based methods that they typically resort to.

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