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Still #1, still puttin it on the competition both defensively and offensively. Yeah I was at the game yesterday, I was soaked (from the rain), and drunk off my a$$......

Tressel might look like a living, breathing, older version of a Ken doll, but the man knows football! Wink
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Originally posted by xxGAMBITxx:
Still #1, still puttin it on the competition both defensively and offensively. Yeah I was at the game yesterday, I was soaked (from the rain), and drunk off my a$$......

Tressel might look like a living, breathing, older version of a Ken doll, but the man knows football! Wink


Not another Buckeyes fan. bang I don't know if we can be together now, 2XGam. I'm a 3rd generation Irish fan.
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Originally posted by BigTeacher:
Good point. Charlie Weis' biggest "win" so far was last year's 34-31 loss to USC. The Irish got a lot of mileage out of that one. Ty Willingham's fate was sealed at ND not because his teams went 21-15, but because they got blown out by USC 3 years straight.


Ty Willingham's fate was sealed when he first started because he was a black man in a racist system, I'm sorry to say. I stick with the Irish now because the guys on that team are Ty Willingham's recruits, including Quinn. Plus, my Granny loves the Irish.
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Originally posted by Tre:

Ty Willingham's fate was sealed when he first started because he was a black man in a racist system, I'm sorry to say. I stick with the Irish now because the guys on that team are Ty Willingham's recruits, including Quinn. Plus, my Granny loves the Irish.


huh? Ty did get a raw deal from ND, and frankly, Weis won last year with Ty's recruits, so I agree with your overall premise. But you say his fate was sealed because he was a black man in a racist system.

Well ND did hire him, and I'm pretty sure he was black the day they did so. It was a good hire and they should have stayed with him, but how can you castigate ND without at least acknowleding they did the right thing... before they did the wrong thing?
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Originally posted by TruthSeeker:
Well ND did hire him, and I'm pretty sure he was black the day they did so. It was a good hire and they should have stayed with him, but how can you castigate ND without at least acknowleding they did the right thing... before they did the wrong thing?


ND did the right thing, sort of. If you do recall, George O'Leary was the hired coach, but resigned after it was discovered that he falsified information about his academic and athletic achievements--Ty Willingham was next in line and thus, got the job. So, if O'Leary would have been still in place, this would be a moot issue.
I'm tellin' ya, if Ty Willingham went 21-15 with a least 2 wins over SC, he'd still be coaching ND. Not that I'm defending ND by any means, but arch-rivalries in college football cut deep. With all due respect to Michigan, SC is ND's only true traditional rival, and at a school like ND, you can't get blown out over and over again by your only arch-rival. Bob Davie was allowed to stay through his 5-year contract at ND mainly because his teams did well against SC.
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Originally posted by BigTeacher:
I'm tellin' ya, if Ty Willingham went 21-15 with a least 2 wins over SC, he'd still be coaching ND. Not that I'm defending ND by any means, but arch-rivalries in college football cut deep. With all due respect to Michigan, SC is ND's only true traditional rival, and at a school like ND, you can't get blown out over and over again by your only arch-rival. Bob Davie was allowed to stay through his 5-year contract at ND mainly because his teams did well against SC.


I don't know if I agree with that Big Teach. Ty had an identical record as Charlie through his first season and they didn't extend his contract, yet they extended Weiss' in his first season. I think Davie was allowed to stay, despite his disasterous record because he was white.

I'll always contend that.
It all comes down to sponsorship... ND has a big TV contract... The NBC network put a lot of pressure on ND because they were not exciting to watch... they were fairly consistent in their play under TW, but not exciting... Even though I hate "the Irish", watching Mich. state "bitch up" last week made for good TV... Watching them lose to USC last year was an exciting game... as pointed out earlier...

As far as racism and the coaching job @ ND, it definetely played a role... had ND even had any African american assistant coaches before TW got there?? I am almost willing to bet that they will never have another... Racism is ever present and omnipresent... We as a people are judged more harshly than out white counterparts... I see it everyday... as one of the few African american sound engineers in sports... Worldwide...

TW should have never taken the job... as he was the 2nd choice (and the only one still available - he might have been even farther down the list) he should have "made them pay" for their mistake in not choosing him 1st...

JMHO
Good point about Weis getting the quick extension as opposed to Ty getting the quick hook...I'm sure race was a factor. But I stand by what I said before - if Ty's teams did well against SC, he would have at least been around for the length of the initial 5-year contract. I used to think that a black guy would be the starting quarterback for ND. Tony Rice got the position and kept it because he was a winner, and he consistently beat SC in huge games. Of course, it didn't hurt that option-lovin' Lou Holtz was the Irish coach at the time.
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Originally posted by BigTeacher:
Okay, okay, your boys are the best. Do they get Michigan at home in the Horseshoe or away at the Big House this season?


We take the boys in blue at the 'Shoe this year! Saves me gas and time when I watch them declaw the wolverines....lol

Nov. 18th! Get your flasks of rum ready and and the pizza nice and hot! That day is gonna be off...da...chain! Big Grin
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Originally posted by xxGAMBITxx:
We take the boys in blue at the 'Shoe this year! Saves me gas and time when I watch them declaw the wolverines....lol

Nov. 18th! Get your flasks of rum ready and and the pizza nice and hot!

Now you know that's right up my alley. lol

That day is gonna be off...da...chain! Big Grin


By the way 2XGam, did I mention that I have "Brutus the Buckeye" sitting here at my desk? I'm not a Bucks fan or anything, but I do love Brutus. Smile
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Originally posted by Tre:
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Originally posted by xxGAMBITxx:
We take the boys in blue at the 'Shoe this year! Saves me gas and time when I watch them declaw the wolverines....lol

Nov. 18th! Get your flasks of rum ready and and the pizza nice and hot!

Now you know that's right up my alley. lol

That day is gonna be off...da...chain! Big Grin


By the way 2XGam, did I mention that I have "Brutus the Buckeye" sitting here at my desk? I'm not a Bucks fan or anything, but I do love Brutus. Smile


LOL! I have Brutus all up in my office! You should see the looks I get from Generals..it's priceless. lol

*Uhhh Sargeant do you have a desk in here or do you just work on Brutus the Buckeyes big ole head? lol*

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