Official with knowledge of Conn. school shooting: 27 dead, including 18 children

Video: Connecticut State Police say they are assisting local police in Newtown amid reports of a shooting at an elementary school.

 

NEWTOWN, Conn. — An official with knowledge of a shooting at a Connecticut elementary school says 27 people are dead, including 18 children.

 

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still under way.

 

State police Lt. Paul Vance says only that staff and students at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown are among the victims. He says the shooter was dead in the school.

 

Vance says Newtown police called state police around 9:40 a.m. A SWAT team was among the throngs of police to respond to the school, about 60 miles northeast of New York City.

 

Photos from the scene showed young students — some crying, others looking visibly frightened — being escorted by adults through a parking lot in a line, hands on each other’s shoulders.

 

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AFRICAN AMERICA IS AT WAR

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON AFRICAN AMERICA

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON AFRICAN AMERICANS

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA

AMERICA'S RACISTS HAVE INFILTRATED AMERICAN POLICE FORCES TO WAGE A RACE WAR AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA

THE BLACK RACE IS AT WAR

FIRST WORLD WAR:  THE APPROXIMATELY 6,000 YEAR WORLD WAR ON AFRICA AND THE BLACK RACE

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You said that right my sista.  Still afraid of us....AND how many of us go into a school and kill children?  I mean...since we are SOOOOOOO angry and all and yet not often if any do you HEAR about us wearing ALL black with multiple weapons storm into a school and murder innocent children......and people.  Wonder what the psychologists/psychiatrists are gonna up with their asssessment on "why is that" answer?  This is tragic especially when young children are involved.  I call this COWARDICE on so many levels.  Why not go to a place where people have guns too and can shoot back?  Like Iraq, Afganistan? I hate it when children are USED in personal retaliations.  Hate it.  This is soooooooo sad.

It just soooooooooo pisses me off when they take their own lives!!    

 

I would MUCH rather they die from brutal assaults while in prison!!!!  

Obama Weeps Over Colorado School Massacre

"Our hearts are broken today," the president said.

Posted: 12/14/2012 05:29 PM GMT+00:00
 
 

A man opened fire at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, on Friday morning, killing at least 26 people — including 18 children.

The gunman who died at the school has been identified as 24-year-old Ryan Lanza. Lanza's mother reportedly worked at the school.

Authorities are investigating the possibility of a second gunman.

“It’s alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America,” Stephen Delgiadice told the AP. His eight-year-old daughter heard two big bangs, but was not injured.

In a sign of respect for the victims of the shooting, President Obama issued an official proclamation ordering the U.S. flag be flown at half-staff at the White House, all public buildings and military posts until Dec. 18.

"As a country, we have been through this too many times," President Obama said. "Whether it’s an elementary school in Newtown, or a shopping mall in Oregon, or a temple in Wisconsin, or a movie theater in Aurora, or a street corner in Chicago -- these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods, and these children are our children."

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And so it begins, every expert claiming it was some psychotic break, Call this bum what he is, a coward and a terrorist! It will not happen b/c it will force too many of the to look  the mirror

Since I posted this story, I have just been feeling sick, almost nauseous, the more I think of how young those children were, how deranged this young man had to be . . .

 

. . . then, to make it worse, I'm watching news reports that say that the guns (Glock and a Sig Sauer nine millimeter) (and a .223 caliber semi-automatic assault rifle in the trunk), were registered in the name of his mother, a teacher at the elementary school.

 

This is just sickening, and it is happening too often, here and around the world, even children are not safe, not off limits . . . for anything . . .

 

How many school shootings have we had in this country now?

 

How many school shooting have happened in other countries?

 

How many children are dying in drone attacks just because they want to kill a certain person(s)?

 

How many children are abused, kidnapped, molested, raped, murdered?

 

How many children are sold into slavery?

 

How many child soldiers are there?

 

How many children are dead or dying because of wars, (being fought by adults)?

 

How many children are hungry, starving, cold?

 

How many children have been killed in a "drive-by"?

 

How many Black teenagers have been killed by racists?

 

How many Black teenagers have been killed by police?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by ocatchings:

And so it begins, every expert claiming it was some psychotic break, Call this bum what he is, a coward and a terrorist! It will not happen b/c it will force too many of the to look  the mirror

 

 

Nor has - or will - any news outlet even touch the subject that ALL of these mass shootings have been committed by young, White males.  

 

You'd think somebody, by now, would ask/investigate/study why this particular segment of Americans are more prone to this type of action more than any other.  

Originally Posted by sunnubian:

Since I posted this story, I have just been feeling sick, almost nauseous, the more I think of how young those children were, how deranged this young man had to be . . .

 

 

 

What's been making me the most heartsick and causing me almost physical illness is the thought of there being sooooooo many parents - 20 sets at least - that are going through what has to be an unbearable pain right now.

 

I can't even begin to imagine what they're feeling.  I don't even want to try.  I can only pray for them.  'Cause there can't be anything else you can do for them right now.  

Originally Posted by EbonyRose:
 

 

You'd think somebody, by now, would ask/investigate/study why this particular segment of Americans are more prone to this type of action more than any other.  

 

Actually, they have, at least, the FBI.  They have a profile for this type so down pact that they can almost always predict that it is a White male, what age he is, type of job he may have, where he probably live, and what he mad about.  

 

But, the waters may may be murky now, even for the FBI, considering that we have seen resent Black 'serial killers' and with the shock of John Malvo, a Black man committing crimes normally only seen in White males, for instance.  

 

I'm sure the biggest shocker for the police, the FBI, and America, was that it was the son of a teacher that taught at that school, and that the guns he, (her 20 year-old) had were registered in her name.

Originally Posted by ocatchings:

And so it begins, every expert claiming it was some psychotic break, Call this bum what he is, a coward and a terrorist! It will not happen b/c it will force too many of the to look  the mirror

 

The way I see it, he;s both, a terrorist and someone mentally disturbed.  You would have to be mentally disturbed to do something like this, and doing something like this makes you a terrorist.

Originally Posted by sunnubian:

Since I posted this story, I have just been feeling sick, almost nauseous, the more I think of how young those children were, how deranged this young man had to be . . .

 

. . . then, to make it worse, I'm watching news reports that say that the guns (Glock and a Sig Sauer nine millimeter) (and a .223 caliber semi-automatic assault rifle in the trunk), were registered in the name of his mother, a teacher at the elementary school.

 

This is just sickening, and it is happening too often, here and around the world, even children are not safe, not off limits . . . for anything . . .

 

How many school shootings have we had in this country now?

 

How many school shooting have happened in other countries?

 

How many children are dying in drone attacks just because they want to kill a certain person(s)?

 

How many children are abused, kidnapped, molested, raped, murdered?

 

How many children are sold into slavery?

 

How many child soldiers are there?

 

How many children are dead or dying because of wars, (being fought by adults)?

 

How many children are hungry, starving, cold?

 

How many children have been killed in a "drive-by"?

 

How many Black teenagers have been murdered by racists?

 

How many Black teenagers have been murdered by police?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My question is why are all these mass killings (especially this year) always happening in these so called, quiet, quaint, loveable, liveable, American small towns (including the surburbs) with majority Whites as residents with supposed low crime rates which are deemed great places to "live and raise children and family" small town no one has ever heard of before until these mass murders happen?

 

And immediately after the initial investigation(s) the killer (whether he commits suicide or not) get labeled as a somehow disturbed, a nerd, loner, aloof, quiet yet he's also well-liked, smart and unassuming.

 

My question is: What is causing these small town, people to mass kill in these small towns? What fueling their rage against people they probably already know?

 

Is it the so-called nice, polite, law abiding citizens (young and old) of these small towns that probably causes these killers to kill in mass murder and even kill people they know? Are the citizens and their behaviors part of the overall problem that never get's seriously looked into as part of the problem?

 

Large cites like Chicago, NY. LA etc, don't have mass killings but more isolated individual killings yet the big cities are deemed not great for living yet these small towns can spark a flame of mass killings at anytime.


When Columbine happened, the one thing that was quickly swept under the rug was the fact that the two killers were Goth influenced kids with the black clothing, hair etc that got bullied, picked on and harassed by the students of Columbine High School because they were different and didn't fit in and when a reporter asked a student about that, the questioning was quickly changed.


When I resided in Oklahoma, I lived in a town surburb called Glenpool, Oklahoma and one day while shopping for groceries, a young White store employee stopped me and asked me if I were Indian since Native Americans are heavily populated in Oklahoma. I said no and asked why.


He then proceeded to ask me a question about a slang term (can't remember what it was called) that seemed to upset a native Indian employee that he and other White employees kept calling him.

 

He said to me "He (the offended) told us that if we don't stop calling him that word, he was going to quit", I just don't understand why he keeps getting upset"

 

I then asked him, "If you and your fellow employees knows that calling him that slang term which is offensive to him and his Native Indian race, why do you and your peers working in the store continue to call him that negative term?

 

He then said, "Because we're friends (doubt that) and we think it all in good fun, we're just trying to be nice and it shouldn't bother him because we're friends."


Then he asked me what do you think I should I do?

 

I just looked at him, shook my head, laughed to myself and walked away.


And this is the same neighborhood where my next door neighbor never spoke to me for an entire year (wouldn't even wave hello back at me) and when I re-located out of state, the very day (that morning) I was leaving and she saw he in the same grocery store I referenced earlier getting some Gatorade before my trip, she came up to me, tapped me on the shoulder, introduced herself, finally spoke to me and told me how good a neighbor I was.


Besides being some of the dumbest and clueless people......


These so-called "good for the soul" small towns harbor some of the most ignorant, racist and nasty people you would ever want to meet and there is continued gossip and drama b.s. happening all the time that directly and indirectly affects people like this killer who was probably fed up and in his mind, took necessary action.

I suspect that the number of mass killings, like this one, and the countless others in this country, are a result of one of two things or both;  under addressed mental illness and drug use.  

 

Often it is both, since mentally ill people too often attempt to self-medicate with drugs.  Now, particularly, there seems to be drugs out there that we are finding out about too far after-the-fact.  For example, look how long people have been using bath salts and K-2 and our legislators are just now considering making it illegal to be sold, and that's only in certain states, for those that are.   

 

Another thing that people are not accepting as true or prevalent, is the fact that the marijuana out there is not the marijuana that used to be grown organically by hippies.  Now people are winding up in mental wards after smoking what they though was just marijuana.  There is something wrong with the marijuana that is being sold out there, more likely toxins in the man-made chemicals used to grow it in dark, unnatural environments, but, who knows, it may be that it is being deliberately tainted by those with something against Americans in general.   

 

It also has to be considered just how many Americans are mentally ill, period, these days.  Then you have to think about just how many of those Americans are locked out of counseling and treatment because of a lack of insurance, unemployment, poverty.  For example, a young male over 18 cannot get medicaid, and usually the age range where schizophrenia sets in is between 18-23 years of age.  I mention young male because schizophrenia is more prevalent in young males, but, it is the same case for young females over 18 years of age with no children, which brings you back full circle to poverty in many cases. 

Originally Posted by Cholly:

 

And immediately after the initial investigation(s) the killer (whether he commits suicide or not) get labeled as a somehow disturbed, a nerd, loner, aloof, quiet yet he's also well-liked, smart and unassuming.

 

My question is: What is causing these small town, people to mass kill in these small towns? What fueling their rage against people they probably already know?

 

 

 

You know, Cholly ..... I started having the same thought ... especially after the "mental issues" excuse got tossed into the picture.  And not that he wasn't/isn't mentally ill ... but, much about his behavior shows a certain level of calculation and premeditation.  And not a "Snap!  I'm irrationally insane all of a sudden"! type of action.

 

I was thinking about the Chicago-street-corner-type murders (read: Black-on-Black crime) ... and as "insane" as that is ... most of the time, the murderer is NOT insane/mentally ill (as clinically defined) ... but DOES, obviously, have problems (emotional/social/the lack of maturity) to where so heartlessly and arbitrarily taking another's life is done without regard, thought or remorse.  At least at the time they are committing the crime.

 

Our children are (generally) NOT insane ... but, angry, vindictive, thoughtless, maybe even cruel and/or unfeeling.  But, usually, there is one intended target ... for which they have wrongly and irrationally determined performed some sort of (irrelevant) slight against them ... and, as a matter of "payback/revenge" that "person/target" gets marked for death ... and is shot and killed.

 

However .... these young, White, "he'd-never-do-anything-like-that" nice, personable, "all-American" boys are picking up guns and intentionally going into crowded, highly-populated areas of strangers and shooting to kill people that they don't even know .... that have never directly done anything to them. 

 

And for that, they must be "insane" ... but, it seems to me that they, too, are also suffering from the same sort of feelings of anger, revenge, thoughtlessness and/or cruelty.  They just decide to take it out on more -and innocent - people.  But the underlying emotional recesses and lack of reasoning are basically the same.

 

While I certainly wouldn't rule out there being a degree of "insanity" relating to these mass-murders .... I also wonder if, perhaps, they are more in their "right mind" than they are given credit for.  But, what's NOT being addressed is that a lot of these "normal, but quiet, 'he was such a nice boy'" murderers are simply being influenced to kill by the uncontrolled amount of violence, murder and cruelty they see and live with daily through the media, internet and video games.

 

That these nice, quiet "I'm nobody" individuals aren't rationally deciding to "make a name for themselves", be "somebody" for the only time in their lives ... going down in "infamous" history for committing unspeakable crimes, which untold numbers of people will never be able to FORGET who they are and what they've done.  

 

While I do believe there is an evil/sickness in ANYONE that can look another person in the eye and kill them without conscious or remorse ... I do believe Caucasians are much more prone to this mentality than anybody else.  (After all, they've been doing it for millennia longer than any other race of people!! )

 

But .... just as easily as this child-murder could have been "insane" ... he could have just as easily simply been in full control of his faculties, yet pissed off (at his mother ... or the still-missing ex-girlfriend), jealous, felt slighted,  revengeful, or wanted notoriety or a sense of importance ... or, on some irrational level simply wanted to emulate/recreate the "intended-to-be-like-real-life" type of violence and evil that is rampant in today's movies, TV, internet, video games ... so that he could finally feel a sense of power.

 

And let's not forget the totally wide-open, easy-access and availability of the legally-owned and purchased, personal-use, semi-automatic assault weapons they are using on innocent strangers ... hurting people with no personal relationship connection with them whatsoever, with guns that are in the home, theirs and legal to have.  

 

The same story of which could be applied to ALL of the senseless mass-murders that have taken place, just this year alone.  There have been at least five or six.  And the year's not over.  We can only hope that such carnage is.

 

They throw out that "he's got mental issues" label like it's some kind of given.  Like that's the only thing people can believe about someone who would do something like this.  But I'm not buying it, wholesale, for every instance of this kind of circumstances.

 

I chalk some of these White-boy committed acts of mass murder to the same kind of senselessness of some of the Black gang-committed individual killings ... youth, ignorance, a lack of compassion, unreasonable and unrelenting violent influences, and just basic societal decline.

Last edited by EbonyRose

Quote by ER: "I started having the same thought ... especially after the "mental issues" excuse got tossed into the picture".


And by throwing the "mental issue" angle out front quick, fast and in a hurry which happens in all these cases, it automatically deflects two things:


(1) The gun control/weapons ban issue that conservative NRA gun lobby activists have already started their defense with this mass killing and (2) eliminates any/all investigations about the environment that this young man lived in his entire life, what he was negatively faced with everyday by his peers and adults (to include his family members) that finally after having enough, could have caused that spark that motivated him to do this because IMO, to kill your mother and/or other family members is one thing (happens all the time) but to make specific plans, go to the elementary school where his mother once taught and because it's a small community, he probably knew many of the teachers and parents of the young kids who go there, purposely target the entire school and kill 26 people to include 20 small children of other parents on purpose says to me that there was and is something way bigger happening regarding him, that town's environment and the citizens of that community.


Based on media interviews, he was considered somewhat "mental" but a non threatening young man throughout the community in direct comparsion to someone else or others in town who is probably labeled a trouble maker yet that "quiet, well-liked, smart and unassuming randomly killed other people's children that he probably knew and their parents.


And if drugs and/or alcohol was also a factor, then that just sped up the process.


And sadly, that internal investigation will never happen, many people in that town know in their heart they were very negative towards that young man, he was probably bullied and laughed at throughout his entire life by peers and adults (what type of parent was his mother or siblings? Good or bad) and upon asking any of them, they will all look you in the face and lie.


And as you alluded, Blacks basically target and kill specifically and Whites tend to kill anybody in the line of fire at random.

I know folks aren't supposed to speak ill of the dead, but if there was a way to raise those mass murderers (who kill themselves after doing their dirt) from the dead, and just bury him up to his neck.  Then pour some karo syrup, molasses and some hot sauce on top of his head and face...and pour a sack of scorpions and mound of fire ants and let them eat his face off for 6 or 7 hours...

 

He may have been "crazy" but not totally crazy.  He waited to kill some kids, not on a Monday...he waited on Friday, so they would be so happy to see the weekend...during December, and the Friday before Christmas break, knowing that his crime will destroy the weekend and the holiday break of SEVERAL families.  He ain't crazy enough to not read a calendar.  The P.O.S. is worse than the phucking Grinch.  The Grinch wanted to steal Christmas, not kill everybody in Whoville.  SMDH.

This was another very interesting story/happening that got glossed over by our media (I heard about it through an international news source) ... and probably rightfully so, considering ....

 

But on the SAME day as this mass-murdering of our young, innocent children .... pretty much the SAME thing happened in China ... with a madman attacking and harming just about the SAME amount of children .... also at an elementary school setting.

 

The difference: The "mentally ill" Chinese man used a knife instead of a gun.  22 children were attacked but (thus far) NONE of them have DIED!!!  (Many are still in critical condition.

 

With unchecked, unregulated gun laws in the U.S.:  Just about EVERYONE shot was KILLED as a result of their injuries.

 

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Knife attack at Chinese school wounds 22 children

 
By CNN Staff
updated 9:35 AM EST, Fri December 14, 2012

 

 

Wei Jingru, a primary school student injured in a knife attack, receives medical treatment in a hospital.

 

Beijing (CNN) -- Twenty-two primary school children were wounded in a knife attack Friday in central China, authorities said.

 

The attack took place at the entrance to the Chenpeng Village Primary School in Henan province, according to the public information department of Guangshan county, the area where the school is located. An adult was also wounded, it said.

 

Several of the children are in critical condition, the state-run website Chinanews.com said, citing local authorities.

 

Read more: Malala is face of global attacks on schools

 

Police say they have detained a suspect, a 36-year-old man from the village, state media reported.

 

Initial assessments suggest the man is mentally ill, Chinanews.com said, citing Guangshan authorities.

China was hit by a spate of knife and cleaver attacks that targeted school children in 2010.

 

A number of measures were introduced at the time, including increased security at schools across the country and a regulation requiring people to register with their national ID cards when buying large knives.

 

CNN's Shao Tian in Beijing and journalist Pan Xinlei in Hong Kong contributed to this report.

 

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And here is a link to a more in-depth story about how the atrocious gun laws in this country mad a bad situation a hundred times worse!!!  

 

 

CHINA ATTACK ILLUSTRATES U.S. GUN LAW DIVIDE

 

 

 

I just can't wrap my head around how distorted your mind has to be and just how much of a coward you have to be, to be able to look into the face of a child, and still be able to murder him or her.  

 

There is just too much mental illness these days, there is something going on.  

  I think there are SEVERAL reasons why massive attacks occur.  Especially in the US.  I call it innate guilt or innate human dysfunction.  Both theories have to do with slavery or encroachment in some form.  First, by China still being a government that encroaches the human rights of its citizens....the violent response could be generational.  Can't destroy the government so will get those who are the closest.  i.e. innocent CHILDREN.  And when a government don't wanna REALLY identify the cause[which they know what it is] it will conveniently hide behind MENTAL ILLNESS as the reason.   

 

Second in the case of the US:  Here the goth person living in an environment most parents WOULD prostitute themselves to acquire for the benefit of their children's success....where neighborhoods are on the SAME page in wanting to be away from the "rat" race of city life....where the people themselves are considered educated, highly financially secure and a bit elitics.  Ummmmm why would a brilliant guy whose is a product of this genius-making site....would do the worse thing a person can possibly heartlessly do?  KILL HIS MOTHER.  KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN.    This genius whose IQ excel his inner city counterparts to the nth power....what is it that would inspire him to MURDER innocent children..mostly those who look like him? 

 

Like the Chinese government....America is the first to say that this person has a personality disorder....without the evidentary findings of psychologists/psychiatrists to confirm it....hell Dr. Phil didn't even say that.  So the question is why would someone who potentially has EVERYTHING would turn on his own folks?  Innate GUILT.  Which can be defined by simply understanding the dynamics of the cruelty done to people in order to gain power:  white supremacy or just "power."   So here some white people may not be able to stomach the fact that they are where they are as a result of violence and force.  Maybe after researching his US history....he couldn't look in the mirror.  Maybe he viewed his mom as a hypocrite in HIS own mind...where he thought she didn't deserve her life...or maybe just maybe he didn't UNDERSTAND what he was feeling innately.  Whose knows?  But to come out and do the cowardice white man out by indicating mental illness....when this mental illness has never been effective in the defense of black/hispanic individuals who may have robbed a bank, performed a drive-by or committed a senseless homocide...or even the ones who participate in car chases.  This mental illness defense CONCEPT is primarily used for white only although there has been many cases WHERE minorities used mental illness as a defense in court and most times FAILED.  Me or one have heard of a lot of any minorities getting off, or not getting the death penalty because they were momentarily "CRAZY in the head."   It doesn't WORK for us.  But always work for them.

 

And I only say this because America has NOT dealt with the psychological ramifications of slavery, jim crow, segegation, the 3/5 assertion to justify cruelty and the inhumane medical practices placed on African Americans.  Many haven't apologized or even attempted to research thoroughly what "slavery" has or has not manifested in the pattern of behavior among  African descendents.  If one brave psychologist/psychiatrist would make this attempt without bias or racism.....a lot of behavior we see today can be traced back to its origin and explained.  And just like we inherit genes from the human pool in terms of how we are physically and mentally....I do think there is a place to research for inherited trama genes:  PSTD.   Which I think also travel in the same way as the "gene" and transfer to our offsprings.   But massa won't touch that or any other issue that has a direct correlation not only to slavery here in western hemisphere but globel slavery in its entirety.  This is something to ponder and consider when witnessing the ongoing massive violent outcry of massa's children/grandchildren/greatchildren.  We have at least 40 of these violent events since the early seventies.   Is there a connection of the past and present?    I think so.  But!  Just sayin  

Originally Posted by Huey:

I know folks aren't supposed to speak ill of the dead, but if there was a way to raise those mass murderers (who kill themselves after doing their dirt) from the dead, and just bury him up to his neck.  Then pour some karo syrup, molasses and some hot sauce on top of his head and face...and pour a sack of scorpions and mound of fire ants and let them eat his face off for 6 or 7 hours...

 

He may have been "crazy" but not totally crazy.  He waited to kill some kids, not on a Monday...he waited on Friday, so they would be so happy to see the weekend...during December, and the Friday before Christmas break, knowing that his crime will destroy the weekend and the holiday break of SEVERAL families.  He ain't crazy enough to not read a calendar.  The P.O.S. is worse than the phucking Grinch.  The Grinch wanted to steal Christmas, not kill everybody in Whoville.  SMDH.

 

Thank you, Huey!!  I agree with you 100%!!  

 

First ... no need to raise him from the dead ... I think I'd be in favor of torturing that scum's corpse .... just because ... why not???  

 

But secondly .... after watching the tail end of Meet the Press today ... it was sickening to me how many of the panelist repeatedly chose to toss the (lack of) 'gun control' issue to the side to harp on this "we need to do something about mental illness" thing!!  

 

And ... I'm with you ... his ass may have been crazy ... but it wasn't THAT damn crazy!!   He was sane enough to know that what he did was WRONG enough that he had to kill himself ... before the police did ... or before he had to face a harsh and lengthy punishment - life in prison or the death penalty.  He was sane enough to not just shoot his mother ... but to also want to hurt something that he knew she loved very much ... which were her students. After the fact!!!

 

"Mental illness" didn't kill those 6 and 7 year old children.  A semi-automatic assault rifle did.  He could have been "crazy" all he wanted to ... but nothing about his brain - inside his head .... could have been lethal to others.  

 

Some on that panel even tried to dismiss this American culture of violence and demented cruelty that's highlighted in our media every freakin' day ... in favor of the "mental illness" defense.  One guy noted that most of these sickos weren't heavily into the violent video games ... but, what about the movie theater killer ... he thought he was BATMAN (i.e., a reference to movie!!) ... the Columbine killers went Goth ... (again a heavy influence from movies and the Internet)!!  

 

I can't believe people are ASKING ... as a damn QUESTION ... whether or not we need to have an assault weapons ban!?!?!?   It's not rocket science to figure out that .... if you take away all the murders where those types of guns were used .... you'd have a whole helluva lot more people ALIVE TODAY!!  Including 20 innocent kindergarten children ... and 7 heroic adults.

 

This country isn't serious about stopping this kind of tragedy ... if they've gotta ask whether or not we should get rid of the very thing that caused it!  

Why direct his threat at an elementary school??  

 

 

 

Ind. man with 47 guns arrested after school threat


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A northern Indiana man who allegedly threatened to "kill as many people as he could" at an elementary school near his home was arrested by officers who later found 47 guns and ammunition hidden throughout his home.

 

Von. I. Meyer, 60, of Cedar Lake, was arrested Saturday after prosecutors filed formal charges of felony intimidation, domestic battery and resisting law enforcement against him. He was being held Sunday without bond at the Lake County Jail, pending an initial hearing on the charges, police said in a statement.

 

Cedar Lake Police officers were called to Meyer's home early Friday after he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire once she fell asleep, the statement said.

 

Meyer also threatened to enter nearby Jane Ball Elementary School "and kill as many people as he could before police could stop him," the statement said. Meyer's home is less than 1,000 feet from the school and linked to it by trails and paths through a wooded area, police said.

 

Police said in the statement that they notified school officials and boosted security at all area schools Friday — the same day 26 people, including 20 students, were shot and killed at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

On Saturday, officers served warrants at Meyer's home and arrested him. The statement said police had learned that Meyer kept many weapons in his older, two-story home and "is a known member of the Invaders Motorcycle Gang."

 

Officers searched the home, finding 47 guns and ammunition worth more than $100,000 hidden throughout the home. Many of the weapons were collector's guns.

 

Cedar Lake is about 45 miles southeast of Chicago.

 

A dispatcher with Cedar Lake Police said that the police chief was not available for interviews until Monday.

 

Lake County police spokeswoman Patti Van Til said Sunday that a SWAT team from the department assisted in serving Saturday's warrants.

I still see it as mental illness, because a sane person cannot just go in an elementary school and kill 6 and 7 year-old children like they were rats.

 

I see America's gun-control problem being more so the fact that people who shouldn't have guns being able to easily obtain them; criminals, gang members, mentally ill people.

 

But, the more you read about this young man's mother, you have to wonder if it wasn't his own upbringing, his own home environment, that may have pushed him over the edge.  

 

First, I don't know of many (really, any) women that are "avid gun collectors", or that are regular dice players.  Then, there is the issue of people mentioning that the mother never spoke of her own children, and the fact that her regular gardener had never seen this, now twenty-year old, anytime he was ever at their home over the years he worked there. What their neighbors or people knew them, are saying, leads one to believe that this was a strange family, at least the mother and son.

 

 

 

 

 

I know they are spelled differently but aren't intimidation and terrorism the same thing? Still doing all they can to say certain groups can not be terrorist.

I remember hear some psychologist make a really peculiar interpretation of killers who kill themselves after the incident.  He says that they do it out of uncontrollable stress and this releases that stress.  But after they have done it they realize they have created more problems for themselves that have no good solution.  So suicide is the solution to the new problem.

 

I don't know how often that is true, if ever, but it stuck in my mind.

 

I just saw some article saying that 62% of these killers exhibit psychological problems before they go off.  But if they listed the indications how many people do those exact same things but never kill anybody?  It is not like we can grab 100,000 people every time they exhibit some behavior that mass killers sometimes exhibit.

 

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There's a LOT of confusion surrounding this family!!!  I've even read one report that says that the Mom may not have even been a teacher at that school at the time!!  

 

As to "mental illness" issues ... it's not that I'm trying to say (definitively) that dude was not suffering from some kind of problems .... however, there are too many instances of people doing what to other people would be "unthinkable" that only someone "insane" could do ... where that person is NOT insane at all!!!  But, rather, just desensitized to rational feelings of hurt or causing pain towards others!!  Let alone just having issues of hate, anger, an inability to reason or a disconnect from what for most people are "normal" feelings.

 

As an example .... for some reason, (mostly it's) little boys grow up hurting animals all the time!!  They're not *insane* ... just boys being boys!  Men who abuse women ... MOST of them are NOT crazy in any way!!  Just mean, hateful, and able to cause pain to another human being without remorse.  There's human beings killing/maiming/raping/disfiguring other human beings over in Africa on a daily basis!  Some may be "crazy" ... but some do it so that they, themselves, are not killed!!  Many of them have remorse after they are saved from that situation ... but, still and yet ... they are able to *harm* another human being in the worst way ... simply as a matter of survival for themselves.

 

You have parents/adults who do horrible things to children these days!!  Not killing them ... just abusing them .. who are not, by definition, "crazy" or "insane."  They look at it as "discipline" ... although it's warped and distorted. There was recently a video that showed a young Black male punching an 80+ y/o woman in the face to steal her purse!!  To me, that's "crazy"!!  But, once they caught the guy and interviewed him ... turns our he was just a criminal/thug who wanted to steal.

 

To be "crazy"or "insane" to go and kill - anyone! even one person - but mass-murder people, especially, doesn't mean that these people 'don't know what they're doing' ... that they're not aware that they are going to hurt someone ... that they aren't in their "right minds." 

 

It could very well be that they know EXACTLY what they're doing!!  And that they're doing something they actually want to do!!    IMO, it's possible that this guy - or the theater shooter - or the mall shooter - could've done it for fame or notoriety ... out of anger or for revenge ... a desire to feel powerful .. and just didn't - or perhaps, refused - to feel any sort of empathy, compassion, or consideration about how/what others would feel afterward.

 

Not insane.  Just inconsiderate.

 

Now ... the psycho that shot Gabby Giffords ... no mask, no disguise, broad daylight, crowded place, didn't shoot himself, didn't try to run, either .... now, year ... I'd give him "insanity" in heartbeat!!    Or the mother that drowned her four kids and then called the police and told them what she did and where she was??  Yep!!  Nutty as a fruitcake!  No "rational" thinking there whatsoever!

 

This guy was more *normal* than not to everybody who had ever had any contact with him!!   Adults .. other kids ... neighbors ... nobody says they ever saw even a little bit of a tendency towards violence ... yet, all of a sudden, he did the most violent thing ever imaginable ... more violent than anybody else, really, because he purposefully shot a room full of kindergarten-aged children!  No other mass-murderer that I know of has ever done that.  

 

So ... insane?  Yeah.  Maybe.  But ... maybe not.

Originally Posted by ocatchings:

I know they are spelled differently but aren't intimidation and terrorism the same thing? Still doing all they can to say certain groups can not be terrorist.

 

If he had had a bomb vest on, walked into that classroom and detonated it ... killing the same amount of people ... but just in a different way ... would he have been a "terrorist" then??  

Just imagine what those 20 young children. those 6 teachers and others in past mass killings had to deal with regarding these military style automatic weapons that killed them.

 


The AR-15 style rifle, the most popular in America based on sales, which can be customized in a number of ways, was used in this shooting and also used in the mass shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., in July.



This is a very short 45 second clip demonstration of what the Bushmaster can do with a 20 round ammunition clip in full automatic mode.


 

Pay close attention to the demeanor of the guy in this video and his joy in shooting that 5 gallon plastic container while saying before he shot......"in order to get this guy you need one shot or twenty".......IMO, that "guy" he's referring to is not hunting deer or rabbits....as he shoots that water container, he's thinking about killing someone.

 

Question:

 

**Is/was George Zimmerman who profiled, targeted and murdered Trayvon Martin EVER considered mentally ill?


No.

 

**April 7, 2012, five African Americans were shot in the north side of TulsaOklahoma by  Jacob C. England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32,. Three of the shooting victims died, and all victims were shot within a three-mile radius during that night because England's was killed in 2010, and on Thursday April 5, England appeared to blame his father's death on a black man. Were they both considered mentally ill?


No.

 

**Is Michael Dunn, the man who approached and killed Jordan Davis in Florida last week over loud music considered mentally ill?


No,


Also consider what the guy did after he killed Jordan Davis. He fled the scene and found out the next day while watching TV that Jordan Davis died because of what he did.


****What's probably similair in ALL these cases? All of them targeted and killed total strangers.****


I know these 3 killings are all White/Black race related with enough American history to back it up but to me, it brings to light the political problem with the overall mental illness debate with this current mass killing and others in the past two years because it is so easy to continue to politically separate and pigeon hole gun control and mental illness as two separate things totally disconnected from each other because the 20 year old who killed at the elementary school was diagnosed as mentally ill while these 4 killers I noted aren't considered mentally ill at all because just like the guy in the video shooting his AR 15 assault weapon at the water container, he's considered just a normal/regular, law abiding, responsible, legal gun owning American who mentally stable and poses no harm to anyone.......unless he kills in mass like the elementary school shooter because if he just kills one or two person(s) similair to the 4 killers I mentioned, then he's not considered mentally ill.



 

Last edited by Cholly
Originally Posted by ocatchings:

I know they are spelled differently but aren't intimidation and terrorism the same thing? Still doing all they can to say certain groups can not be terrorist.

 

Yeah, I was checking that out, too.

Originally Posted by EbonyRose:

Another White man .... another massacre.  

 

And they're still more afraid of us.  

Twice in the same week... looks like they have cultural issues that need to be addressed. Not this black woman's problem. Maybe they need to take responsibility for their actions. hhhhmmmm I see that our black conservatives/Republicans are absolutely silent on this issue. Shocker.

Originally Posted by Fine:

3 Shooters:  A closer look

http://youtu.be/j_fI0hm1dqY

 

This is interesting, though, the other people could just been passing by or cutting through the woods when this all occurred.  

 

But, they are now reporting that the "alleged" shooter has Asberger Syndrome. I could be wrong, but I have never heard of a person with Asberger Syndrome being prone to violence, at least not this kind of violence.  Maybe if someone aggrivates the person with Asberger's and then put a loaded gun in their hand . .  (it has already come out that the mother took the boy to gun ranges, and taught him how to shoot).  Between what this video is implying and the fact that the alleged shooter has Asbergers, this boy may have been set up.  But, an adult actually teaching a child who is emotionally delayed/has Asbergers/Autism/etc.  to shoot a gun is likely setting that child/person up to carry out something that he/she cannot conceive the realities of.

P.S.:  The coincidence that both the father of this shooter, and the father of the movie theater shooter just happen to both be about to testify before the CIA/government regarding the same issue, is overwhelmingly suspicious. 

  You know I got into a dispute about this very thang.  A colleague kept saying the shooter's autistic.  Like that's an "out" for killing all those people.    Although there are several levels of asperber which some conditions can include bipolar and schiropenzia[sp] behavioral patterns, I have NEVER heard of a person suffering from this condition KILL massively and deliberately.  Usually these type of folks are anti-social and do NOT have the social skills to engage in public situations.  It is true that there is no empathy coming from those suffering from this affliction....but!  I never heard of an ASD individual get upset[usually that calls for some kind of emotion which ASD lack] and process a THOUGHT to not only kill his mother....but!  Consciously go to the school either by car or foot with three weapons[and not shoot folks along the way], walk into a SCHOOL...try one door found it was lock....go to another door and commense to SHOOTING young children[sounds like revenge to me] and utlimately shooting adult human shields in the way.  Then methodically shoots himself.  Aspberger?  Nawl wrong answer. 

 

There has been reports that this young guy was a "GOTH."  He dressed in black and walked around town like an outcasted zombie.  If his mother knew that he was austic in anyway, it was her responsibility to make sure she did not have weapons in her home, if he deemed dangerous.  That was not the case.  She was a gun enthuiast[sp] who share her love for guns with friends/neighbors.  So a thinking woman would NOT leave a gun around her home  if she felt danger from her out of control son.  There was no indication of that.  To me, it is just a ploy from the media and whitefolks to humanize the shooter.  Which most massive shooters thus far have been:  WHITE males with  high IQs,  They don't wanna darken their so-called prestine white image to reflect  MONSTERS running amock.  But that's exactly what is happening.  Cuz it would be NO way a minority anybody could get pass the schoolyard with visible WEAPONS.....let alone get all the way inside the school!!!!  So this boy KNEW what he was doing. Knew how to get in.   Plus you don't TEACH a child with asperber HOW TO SHOOT A GUN!!!!  That's crazy.  And his mother didn't seem crazy to me. 

 

So like always....whitefolks are trying to HIDE the blood on their hands[ avoiding the gun control issues]...cuz they KNOW if congress/law makers get involved with this, they as whole will no longer have the opportunity to walk in any gun store and buy a gun the same day.  There will be a substantial amount of time to process this transaction in form of a waiting period.  Whites do not WANT that cuz they are still contemplating a "race war" so they want to be able to buy a gun at a moment's notice-even if they experience human tragedies from time to time...in their mind they are willing to sacrafice a few lives....even if it's their own.  As this story continues to unravel....this is the spin I'm getting.  But!      

Originally Posted by Kocolicious:

  You know I got into a dispute about this very thang.  A colleague kept saying the shooter's autistic.  Like that's an "out" for killing all those people.    Although there are several levels of asperber which some conditions can include bipolar and schiropenzia[sp] behavioral patterns, I have NEVER heard of a person suffering from this condition KILL massively and deliberately.  Usually these type of folks are anti-social and do NOT have the social skills to engage in public situations.  It is true that there is no empathy coming from those suffering from this affliction....but!  I never heard of an ASD individual get upset[usually that calls for some kind of emotion which ASD lack] and process a THOUGHT to not only kill his mother....but!  Consciously go to the school either by car or foot with three weapons[and not shoot folks along the way], walk into a SCHOOL...try one door found it was lock....go to another door and commense to SHOOTING young children[sounds like revenge to me] and utlimately shooting adult human shields in the way.  Then methodically shoots himself.  Aspberger?  Nawl wrong answer. 

 

There has been reports that this young guy was a "GOTH."  He dressed in black and walked around town like an outcasted zombie.  If his mother knew that he was austic in anyway, it was her responsibility to make sure she did not have weapons in her home, if he deemed dangerous.  That was not the case.  She was a gun enthuiast[sp] who share her love for guns with friends/neighbors.  So a thinking woman would NOT leave a gun around her home  if she felt danger from her out of control son.  There was no indication of that.  To me, it is just a ploy from the media and whitefolks to humanize the shooter.  Which most massive shooters thus far have been:  WHITE males with  high IQs,  They don't wanna darken their so-called prestine white image to reflect  MONSTERS running amock.  But that's exactly what is happening.  Cuz it would be NO way a minority anybody could get pass the schoolyard with visible WEAPONS.....let alone get all the way inside the school!!!!  So this boy KNEW what he was doing. Knew how to get in.   Plus you don't TEACH a child with asperber HOW TO SHOOT A GUN!!!!  That's crazy.  And his mother didn't seem crazy to me. 

 

So like always....whitefolks are trying to HIDE the blood on their hands[ avoiding the gun control issues]...cuz they KNOW if congress/law makers get involved with this, they as whole will no longer have the opportunity to walk in any gun store and buy a gun the same day.  There will be a substantial amount of time to process this transaction in form of a waiting period.  Whites do not WANT that cuz they are still contemplating a "race war" so they want to be able to buy a gun at a moment's notice-even if they experience human tragedies from time to time...in their mind they are willing to sacrafice a few lives....even if it's their own.  As this story continues to unravel....this is the spin I'm getting.  But!      

No autistic doesn't mean stupid or evil.  that's a cop out.

Originally Posted by Kocolicious:

 

.... and process a THOUGHT to not only kill his mother....but!  Consciously go to the school either by car or foot with three weapons[and not shoot folks along the way], walk into a SCHOOL...try one door found it was lock....go to another door and commense to SHOOTING young children[sounds like revenge to me] and utlimately shooting adult human shields in the way.  Then methodically shoots himself.  Aspberger?  Nawl wrong answer. 

 

 

I'm hearing the SAME thang, Ms. Koco!!  

 

Revenge .... anger, vindictiveness, cruelty ... low self-esteem, a desire to be infamous ... and at least a little touch of evil. 

Last edited by EbonyRose
Originally Posted by Kocolicious:

   She was a gun enthuiast[sp] who share her love for guns with friends/neighbors.  So a thinking woman would NOT leave a gun around her home  if she felt danger from her out of control son.  There was no indication of that.  To me, it is just a ploy from the media and whitefolks to humanize the shooter.  Which most massive shooters thus far have been:  WHITE males with  high IQs,  They don't wanna darken their so-called prestine white image to reflect  MONSTERS running amock.       

 

And that's another thing that's getting me about the way the media is handling this ....

 

There's this constant correlation trying to be made between (his supposed) mental illness, the guns he used, and the access to purchase guns.  But what's NOT being talked about here ... and one of the most important issues in this ... is the fact that .... those were not his guns!!  

 

Crazy or not ... there's no issue about people like him and gun ownership.  His Momma was allowed to own 5 semi-automatic assault weapons!!!  SHE was the 'obsessed with military-style killing machines' one in this scenario!!!  Had she not been allowed to own/purchase these weapons ... had she not had the fixation on the lethal kinds of guns that can fire 30 bullets with one shot .... he wouldn't have been the capability to be able to be able to go out and murder almost two dozen children in a matter of minutes!! 

 

Seems to me .... if they want to talk "mental illness" ... then why aren't they focusing on his Momma's "mental" condition or state of mind???    Why isn't the question being asked, "What in the hell was wrong with HER??" that she would embrace such violent, lethal, weaponry and encourage the use and ownership of such things???

 

Yes, she's a "victim." But, sadly, mostly of her own making.    But ignoring her culpability in this isn't addressing one of the MAIN problems with this story!!  A number of kids have died this year after being shot with guns that were in the house where they lived .... owned by those who are supposed to be "adults" that place those guns in harm's way just by having them!!

 

But ... the focus is always on the user .... not the owner.  Which, IMO, means that we're still not having the right conversations when it comes to these guns or the murders they're creating.  

Why isn't the question being asked,"What in the hell was wrong with HER??"


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That's exactly what I'd like to know.

 

I get so tired of our right wing bought and paid for media skating issues and deliberately avoiding questions the right does not want brought up.

 

Between what's happened to/happening with our media, what they are doing with/trying to do with the internet, our politicians working for corporate America and special interest groups instead of the American people, and our Supreme Court being sold out to the right, is this really still America?

And you know, Sunnubian ....

 

While I don't hold out much hope for those in the media ever gaining any type of  dignity about themselves .....

 

I do believe that President Obama's election will serve to shine a (shameful) spotlight on many of our problems/issues/shortcomings as a nation.

 

And .... that at least some of them will be dealt with ... in one way or another!!

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