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I just got back from a week long training that was held on the Howard University campus.

While I was in the training, I commented to another trainee [a male about my age] that Howard must have a 3 to 1 [at least] female to male ratio and each woman looked better than the next. But I noticed a lot of men had a certain "swish and sweetness" about them.

He commented that he had noticed it too.

We both said "WHY?"
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Understand caribbean that most HBCU environments are going to have a higher than average Black gay population. When you get to Spelman, you'll see it too. In fact, there is a well-known lesbian/gay organization at the school. When you go to CAU & Morehouse, you'll see this too. The liberal arts environment is typically a more comfortable millieu for openly expressing sexual preference.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
lost me- swish and sweetness??

Pls explain.


Well ... Let me note, I literally saw a man skipping along the sidewalk while calling out to a group of men.

Yes, I was referring to the prevalence of effeminate males.


I'm in graduate school at Ohio State and I have a black man (I won't call him brotha) in one of my classes....fruiter than the garden of eden. And he's loud. And boisterous. And talkitive. And he keeps picking the seat right next to me. sck
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its not just the black males on campus with strong homosexual activity, its the women as well


Yeah, I saw that too; but I don't know about this:
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Its a reflection of the feminization of our culture and society.


I don't know that our culture/society is becoming feminized; Or, that homosexual=feminization.

I do know that as a full-on heterosexual Black male on a campus where females out number males 6 to 1, I'd find it extremely difficult to be monogamus, not have 12-18 dates a week. Big Grin
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Originally posted by thayfen:
Okay...I've decided that my lowly H.S. education is insufficient. I'm putting in for a transfer within the Company. I want to better myself, I want...to go... To Howard. (Now, don't anybody tell my wife about the ratio thing, WE COOL?



This is why when brothas say, that they cant find an educated, beautiful sista..........im surprized.

Ohhh and btw Thayfen, im telling your wife.! Big Grin
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Originally posted by xxGAMBITxx:
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
lost me- swish and sweetness??

Pls explain.


Well ... Let me note, I literally saw a man skipping along the sidewalk while calling out to a group of men.

Yes, I was referring to the prevalence of effeminate males.


I'm in graduate school at Ohio State and I have a black man (I won't call him brotha) in one of my classes....fruiter than the garden of eden. And he's loud. And boisterous. And talkitive. And he keeps picking the seat right next to me. sck


DROP THAT CLASS BRUH!!! DROP THAT CLASS!!! laugh
I took my neice and her best friend to Atlanta last year to attend the SOBU and to tour the Spelman/Morehouse/Morris Brown complex. I dropped them off for a day of shopping at the big mall down there. When I picked them up. their biggest comments were about how many young, Black gay males they saw shopping together.

Needless to say, they crossed Atlanta off the list and I am now hoping they will choose FAMU as their HBCU experience for grad school.
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Originally posted by qty226:
I dont know why this happening.......but i can tell you that young black women, are feeling this..........and its painful.


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Originally posted by ddouble:
Understand caribbean that most HBCU environments are going to have a higher than average Black gay population. When you get to Spelman, you'll see it too. In fact, there is a well-known lesbian/gay organization at the school. When you go to CAU & Morehouse, you'll see this too. The liberal arts environment is typically a more comfortable millieu for openly expressing sexual preference.


No, you get a high ratio of gays in higher education because we're alot less likely to fall for the bullshit that sucks up straight men. That all the high school girls want thugs mean nothing to us, so we have no use for trying to be one. And we're used to not having a bunch of friends to maintain a rep for, since nobody wants to be our friend, so we don't get caught up in the dead-end networking that leads to contentment in merely having esteem amongst your nobody pals, esteem maintained by an insular honor code. None of that ever means anything to us, so the only other option is thinking about our real-world futures. Don't begrudge us for doing well.
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Originally posted by ddouble:
I don't begrudge you Dr. Snacks - I didn't think my comments were negative. Confused Thanks for adding perspective to the thread.


Sorry. The "begrudge" was a response to some of the replies in general. I quoted your response because I don't think that the percentage of gays in college is only the result of the free liberal arts environment.
Dr Snacks.......

My point wasnt directed towards gay men.....but straight men. We are not seeing a lot of straight men in colleges, etc.....and its hurtful to 'straight' women.

Also....i think that 'some' girls wanting 'thugs', shouldnt be a reason why black men are not in college.

Black men gay/straight.....are having a hard time.

I dont begrudge you.......you have my respect.
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Originally posted by qty226:
Dr Snacks.......

My point wasnt directed towards gay men.....but straight men. We are not seeing a lot of straight men in colleges, etc.....and its hurtful to 'straight' women.

Also....i think that 'some' girls wanting 'thugs', shouldnt be a reason why black men are not in college.

Black men gay/straight.....are having a hard time.

I dont begrudge you.......you have my respect.


Now I feel bad for being so defensive.

Anyway, it's painful to me too to see the ratio of straight women to men in higher education so dramatically off balance. I don't like the idea that they'll be so few black families from educated backgrounds in the future.
If there is a disproportionate percentage of gay black males in college, varsus straight black males, and that disproportion does not exist among white males, then we have the solid makings of a great opportunity to clarify and pinpoint the problems that young (mainly straight) black males are having. If it's simply a disproportion of black women to men, there are many more possibilities to look at. But if we see the disproportion exists vis a vis sexual orientation, then I think the problem can come down to issues which impact straight black males' motives, or motivations, and what factors influence them or target them toward our tendency toward failure.

Dr. Snacks, welcome to the site!! hat
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Originally posted by Vox:
If there is a disproportionate percentage of gay black males in college, varsus straight black males, and that disproportion does not exist among white males, then we have the solid makings of a great opportunity to clarify and pinpoint the problems that young (mainly straight) black males are having. If it's simply a disproportion of black women to men, there are many more possibilities to look at. But if we see the disproportion exists vis a vis sexual orientation, then I think the problem can come down to issues which impact straight black males' motives, or motivations, and what factors influence them or target them toward our tendency toward failure.

Dr. Snacks, welcome to the site!! hat


Sorry, It's been a long day; but, HUH?

After reading the above 5 times, the only thing I'm sure I understood was,
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Dr. Snacks, welcome to the site!!
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Originally posted by Dr_Snacks:
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Originally posted by qty226:
Dr Snacks.......

My point wasnt directed towards gay men.....but straight men. We are not seeing a lot of straight men in colleges, etc.....and its hurtful to 'straight' women.

Also....i think that 'some' girls wanting 'thugs', shouldnt be a reason why black men are not in college.

Black men gay/straight.....are having a hard time.

I dont begrudge you.......you have my respect.


Now I feel bad for being so defensive.

Anyway, it's painful to me too to see the ratio of straight women to men in higher education so dramatically off balance. I don't like the idea that they'll be so few black families from educated backgrounds in the future.



Dont feel bad, we all have work to do...! Smile

wel
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
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Originally posted by Vox:
If there is a disproportionate percentage of gay black males in college, varsus straight black males, and that disproportion does not exist among white males, then we have the solid makings of a great opportunity to clarify and pinpoint the problems that young (mainly straight) black males are having. If it's simply a disproportion of black women to men, there are many more possibilities to look at. But if we see the disproportion exists vis a vis sexual orientation, then I think the problem can come down to issues which impact straight black males' motives, or motivations, and what factors influence them or target them toward our tendency toward failure.

Dr. Snacks, welcome to the site!! hat


Sorry, It's been a long day; but, HUH?

After reading the above 5 times, the only thing I'm sure I understood was,
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Dr. Snacks, welcome to the site!!


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LOL!!! Sorry, Kweli. I was basically saying that if black gay males are somehow as immune as black women are from whatever problems are keeping brothers from going to college (or otherwise achieving), then it may be easier to target what exactly those problems are. It's not that there are too many gay men in college; it's that there are too few straight men. Whatever is leading straight brothers in the wrong direction is probably based on differences in what motivates them, vs. what motivates women and gay men. Obviously, then, the solution should focus on issues related to motivation. Whatever is screwing with us is probably screwing us up in that area, I would suspect.

I was probably just getting too complicated in trying to state the blatantly obvious! Sorry!
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Originally posted by Dr_Snacks:
Anyway, it's painful to me too to see the ratio of straight women to men in higher education so dramatically off balance. I don't like the idea that they'll be so few black families from educated backgrounds in the future.


I agree it is very painful to see how shocking that ratio is. It is really scary when I think about how a lot of our brothas and sistahs are not pursuing a higher education. Our communities need educated brothas and sistahs. But that is not to say that our brothas and sistahs that did not attend college are not equally important because they are.

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