In February of 2008 (https://www.africanamerica.org/...8938052196530/page/1),I said the following, in response to a thread Noah started asking what a "successful" Obama presidency would look like:  

 

"a successful presidency cannot depend on what Congress will be willing to do, or how large his mandate is. That's because, as you point out, Noah, he has indicated no qualifiers. In fact, he has stated that he'll be able to cross party lines and build and win consensus. So these points are indeed non-issues. If he feels confidently enough in his abilities to actually promise that during the campaign, then we can't explain away any failures he may sustain by saying that Congress didn't cooperate. He has taken that excuse completely off the table. 

And I admire him for that, quite frankly. "


I saw a headline on HuffPost that made me think of that discussion.  When I look at this debt ceiling debacle, and consider how, the way I see it, it basically brings to the current reality the permanent decline of the US that I warned about in that earlier thread, it makes me ask the question.  Is Obama's presidency destined to be a failure?  Has it been a failure so far?  If, during the campaign, he promised to be able to get results even if Congress is against him, is his presidency basically a failure because he failed to get the right wingers on board?  

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  He hasn't FAILED anything...you ask me.  He doesn't control congress....no president does/has.  This is a historic battle.  Plus...ya know he wouldn't have had it HALF this hard or with soooooo much disrespect aand resentment had he been a WHITEMAN.  Just put it out there.  Cuz that's where the truth lies.  America still have this plantation mentality...as why they outsourced most of the good jobs to countries whose people are still subservant to the govt....cuz why?  They want it CHEAP!  They can give a sweet fock about the people in this country.  Take the blinders off!  Please.  This is STILL a racist, backward azz country....the thing that makes it appealling....is...everybody can be a racist backward and still have their personal freedom.  Yum.  But if one looks clearly it is not too much different than it was back in the day when slaves did it all FREE.  Whiteboy don't wanna pay anyone, don't want anyone to have more than HIM....and care less if this country falls.  This country have been ran  by the mafia, the secret society and the 10%....so this is not new news.  The only thing that is insultative to whiteboy....is America voted for a black man...who represents the slave, the subhuman, the inferior.  "How dare America!  I'll show her.  Ill just let her FALL flat on her face....bitch!"  That's what the WHITEMAN is thinking....nothing else.  So to even insinulate[sp] that my President has failed is more than an insult...cuz the charma in life is:  whatever goes around....comes around.  And he is LIVING proof as Black President of the United States of America that charma does eventually come back around....but!  I'm just sayin

Personally, Vox .... I don't think that his inability to get past Congress is what has made the President's term a "failure" thusfar.  And, yes, I do consider what he's done so far 'not up to par" (lemme put it like that! )... and could, in the end, make his overall presidency a "failure" for us all.

 

IMO, the problem here is 1) what Jesse Jackson said over in the other post!   (So I'm not gonna repeat it here ... just "yeah that!" to all that was quoted!

 

But, 2) I see his MAIN problem as being his political inexperience at the time he was elected to the job!!  I don't necessarily blame him for thinking he could do what essentially there never was a snowball's chance in hell of achieving!!  He THOUGHT it was possible to reason with the unreasonable ...and if anything, I would blame him for believing that .... simply because ... if you're gonna ask for the job of POTUS, you should KNOW what's really involved in it!!! 

 

But I don't fault his enthusiasm or his optimism.  I think those are good qualities to have.  And, generally, if one tries hard enough, you can achieve almost anything!!  So, he thought he could ... and I don't think that's a bad thing.

 

However .... He didn't know what was really involved.  Had no earthly clue.  And while I always hoped/believed that his exceptional capacity for intelligence might be able to overcome that .... the reality of the situation is that it has caused him to make one bad decision after another!!    He's allowing himself to be "punked" .... rather than adequately presenting himself as a "leader."  He's allowing Republicans to show his weaknesses ... when, if he has any power at all .... he should be laying the full-force of it down on them, and walking over the bodies, while pursing a more 'citizen-friendly' (lemme put it like that!) agenda.

 

I heard somebody say that the issues the President has been dealing with since he got into office are more Republican than they are Democratic (i.e., money issues vs. social concerns) and it's true.  I believe he is doing this because he's very determined and fixated on the idea of developing for the FUTURE instead of the more pressing need of addressing what's happening RIGHT NOW in the PRESENT.

 

Which isn't a bad idea .... but totally out of place right now.

 

He didn't/doesn't know what he's doing.  And he's doing what he IS doing all wrong.  He hasn't been able to figure it out, either, thusfar.  And ... unfortunately, I'm not sure if I have the confidence that, before it's over for him, he will.  

 

So, yeah ... I think eventual failure is definitely an option.

 

But I'ma KEEP HOME ALIVE!!!   GO JESSE!!! 

To me, he seems hamstrung by his conciliatory personality.  It appears it got him pretty far (like, all the way to the White House).  But it doesn't worked so well against sworn political enemies.  Although the Tea Party didn't get everything they wanted, they have succeeded in shrinking the federal government to historic levels... at a time when that's really the LAST thing the US needs right now.  The more details I read concerning this debt deal, the more it appears that the future strength and economic dominance of this country has COMPLETELY been sold out!  Not to mention the interests of the most economically vulnerable Americans. 

 

This debt deal embodies, in its entirety, the "small federal government" philosophy of the right wing... and what's worse is this: in a crisis that was SOLELY the fault of the right wingers, the solution doesn't leave obvious room for voters to solely BLAME the right wingers.  That's in part because the Dems are going along with it; and partly because the worst effects of the deal won't take effect for a few years. 

 

How do we have a Keynesian president who shrinks the government to 1950 levels? 

 

Ebony, I'm not ready to agree with you about Obama being inexperienced -- after all, I'M inexperienced, but I would've been a lot better able to handle the Republicans than he's been.  Rather, it's idealism on his part, as well as bad advice, that leads him to harbor this ridiculous, pie-in-the-sky notion that these Republicans could ever be reasoned with.  My policy would've been, "They get one chance to show they're serious."  But that one chance would've been squandered way back in late 2008, after the election, when you started hearing right wingers accuse him of trying to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.  He never advocated any such thing.  They were lying, to get right wingers more rallied against him.  Soon as I saw that, I'd've been like, "Oh Well... Time for Plan B."  And I would've devoted the whole first term to smashing them.  They wouldn't've won the House in 2010 if he'd been more focused on pointing out the fallacies of their positions and the folly of allowing them to govern. 

 

It was necessary to support Obama in '08, for the reasons I pointed out back then in the post I quoted above.  And supporting him in 2012 may be something to do still.  But you mark my words.  The country was on its way to ruin back during Dubya's term, and the only hope to save it was Obama being able to work things out.  He hasn't -- not his fault; nobody else would've done it either -- and now, I'm thinking we're irreversibly on the way to serious decline.  If success = saving the country from that, then Obama has failed. 

 

 

I don't think that it has anything to do with inexperience, but I do think that it has everything to do with President Obama naivety about the truth about racism, racism in America, southern racists and southern racism in particular.  

 

He has been letting southern racists/racist republicans run the show from the beginning, from giving a damn about that corporate funded 'tea party' sham, to actually thinking that he can reason with people who got where they are purely by playing the race card to get and to maintain their constituents, let alone the fact that most of them have been born and raised on the tit of racism.  He seems to naive to believe that these people will see American go to hell with gasoline drawers on before they will let a Black man, the nation's first Black president even appear to be a success or for his being elected to have helped this country.

 

I did not vote for him to go to Washington and comprise away every g-damn thing that could possibly help working people and America's poor.  Who in the hell compromises with someone that does not compromise with them?  

 

I just do not get President Obama's tactics, indifference, and how quick he is to give in, compromise, give it up, damn.  President Obama should not have compromised on a damn thing with the same damn people who brought this country to near economic ruin in the first place;  he should have stood his ground and let the country know that he was standing his ground by utilizing the bully pulpit every chance he got so that the people will not have a shadow of a doubt as the fact that Congress, democrats and republicans, but especially republicans, in Congress are there to satisfy the desires of Wall Street, big business, the oil companies, big pharma, big agra, and special interest groups that are being dolled out multi-million/billion dollar government contracts, yet are suspiciously not hiring anyone, at least not any Americans.  I have to question why would President Obama left every Bush-Cheney policy in place, even down to No Child Left Behind.  

 

It is time for the American people to face the fact that we no longer have a government, that what we really have is a runaway government, and the only Americans in this country that actually really have a government are the ones that own and/or run Big Business, Wall Street, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Agri and all of the Foreign Interests of all these groups.  

  

It's time for Americans to do what the people in Egypt did, take their country back from a runaway government, a biased Supreme Court, an unjust Legal System, and out of the clutches of Corporate America.

 

 

Obama needs to talk to the people much, much more, (he needs to get a little Ross Perot in him) and blow up the internet, the news media, radio stations, publications, magazines with facts and proof of what Congress is really doing, and why, and have the charts, diagrams, references, etc., to prove it.

 

If he is not careful, he is going to compromise America off the map.

 

Okay!  What EXACTLY should HE do with no one having his back?  He's out there by himself.  Folks bailed on him....big time.  Plus everyone's a critic.  So.  All these folks are so complex about the job he's doing....WHAT SHOULD HE DO?  Who has a better plan?  What SHOULD his strategy be against MASSA?  This ONE kneegrow.  huh?  All this experience everyone ELSE has.  I wanna KNOW.  Cuz it's real easy to be a back seat driver.....but!  I'm just sayin

Originally Posted by Kocolicious:

WHAT SHOULD HE DO?  Who has a better plan?  What SHOULD his strategy be against MASSA?  This ONE kneegrow.  huh?  All this experience everyone ELSE has.  I wanna KNOW.  Cuz it's real easy to be a back seat driver.....but!  I'm just sayin

Well, there's nothing he can do now, because it's too late.  But it was always extremely obvious what he should've been doing from the start.  For example, we know that trickle-down economics is terrible policy.  It not only caused this economic collapse, but the collapse exposed the total illogic behind the concept.  But Republicans live and die by trickle-down economics.  If I were Obama, I would've used my White House bully pulpit, my role as Educator-In-Chief -- which is part of why so many people supported him (hence why they would've wanted to hear it) to make people totally clear on why trickle-down economics -- with its deregulation and its low taxes and lower spending -- is utter bullshit. 

 

Instead, we've had three years of Republicans swearing it's our salvation, but NO Democratic effort to argue the opposite.  This makes no sense.  If the Dems had made these people clearer on exactly why the Republican view of the economy was so pathetically flawed, they may not have voted in these House Tea Party people to "straighten out" the economy.  Instead, we now have to deal with Tea Party principles actually WINNING the debt ceiling debate. 

 

AND, he even squandered the chance to make the right wingers look bad in all of this.  They really were the reason for the crisis, but the fact that they won makes it look like they were right to start this.  Obama now can't argue that they were wrong, because the deal he's signing is completely in accord with their aims. 

 

And remember, Koco: the original post pointed out that Obama made these pledges that he'd get results, regardless of what kind of opposition he would have, BECAUSE of his ability to build consensus.  But if he's had to roll over instead of making good things happen, then I'm sorry, but that's not what we voted for. 

 

There is so much that Obama could have done, that it is difficult to no where to begin. Here are just a couple things that could have happened before the Republicans took the House back in 2010.

1. He could have raised the debt limit before the new Congress was seated , when Dems had the House and Senate. This is before the Teabaggers arrived But he, Reid, and Pelosi baulked.

2. He could have let the Bush era tax cuts die. There is a good bit of the revenue that we are losing.

3. Leveraged the federal bailout of the banks and Wall Street, requiring more oversight and accountability, so corporations would actually pay their fair share of taxed.

 

These are not radical suggestions, and could have averted this current debacle.

And remember, Koco: the original post pointed out that Obama made these pledges that he'd get results, regardless of what kind of opposition he would have, BECAUSE of his ability to build consensus.  But if he's had to roll over instead of making good things happen, then I'm sorry, but that's not what we voted for.

 

  Well...as an early Obama supporter it is very disappointing to see you change lanes in the midst of an obstacle of a black man trying to get some prelevant things done in an all white resistant environment.  It is so amazing to me that many blackfolks have forgotten so quickly how massa really is when it comes to power.  Me talking, as an early Obama supporter I didn't bail out on my president then and won't bail out on him now simply cuz of his "inability to build consensus" just yet or his unprecedented approach to rectifying an undoable situation or situations that massa have caused isn't going as smoothly as he had projected.  Cuz he is faced with 400 years of white man stuck on stupid.  And I am quite sure that this brilliantly intelligent man is at a total lost of the devastating measures massa will go to...to keep HIM a black man from leading them.  Cuz that is the bottom line ya know.  To me this is the "black tax" persona....and the shocking thing is some of us have to work harder to convince our OWN people that WE can get the job done.  But!  Be sure historically ...massa is no genius by far.

 

Bottom line...this is the SAME circus of resistance.  The same threat to Social Security and the same opposition that denotes any cuts will cause a budget deficit...I mean I've heard this before.  It's like a presidential broken record.  But my president was thinking about the PEOPLE when he tried to negoitate with massa-which is an element the Republicans and Tea Partiers...care less about.  Cuz what is bullshyte my brotha....is threatening to do something so huge to people that it will take their ability to eat.  Just to prove a point.  That's asine. This is NOT a third world country!!! What it is... is a financial quandary we are currently in as a STRAIGHT result of the Bush presidency.  Folks need to understand and remember that.  If these political roundtable snobs stopped playing russian roulette with other people lives and grow up....compromises could be implemented in fairness on both sides-this is NOT rocket science.  But we know why they stalmated...don't we?  We can walk around this "white" elephant if we wanna....but!  It will never CHANGE the truth...no matter how it's painted.  And...it's still bullshyte as long as they i.e. massa see a black man in a position originally created for a white man.  Cuz in the real world.....that's the bottom line....but!  I'm just sayin      

Well, I'll tell ya ... While I definitely agree with y'all say about the President's somewhat warped and distorted style of "idealism" .... I believe that if he had  actually BEEN a Senator for more than 5 minutes, he could have (although I'm not sure would have) been able to LEARN who and what he was dealing with in the form of the rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth type of Republican opposition that is within Congress ... both then and now.

 

That should (and I would hope would) have blown that crazy idea of being able to "make friends with the enemy" all to hell before it even had a chance to form good in his head. 

 

I mean ... lemme ask you this, VOX ... when the President said he was going to "build concensus" with Republicans during the campaign, did you really believe that he would ... or could??     Because .. and I'm pretty sure I said this back in those discussions ... there was NO WAY IN HELL that was EVER gonna happen!!  I knew he wanted it to ... and said he would ... but, I didn't believe it for a second!!  Because I knew it was a political impossibility. A "trying to fit a square peg in a round hole" kind of impossibility!!   Not because he's Black.  But because Republicans are just mentally deranged that way!!

 

They don't understand the meaning of the word "compromise" ... if it means you're going to mess with their financial/economic status quo.  They never have ... and they never will.  And they weren't gonna "work with" him.  He was going to have to bulldoze his way over them.

 

But ... like you, I figured that once he figured that out, he'd throw that ridiculous "compromise" notion out the window and start putting his foot down .... on top of their little greedy, irrational heads!!   But he didn't.  He hasn't.  And I'm not sure now that he ever will. 

 

But, let me explain my reasoning behind this .....

 

During the time that he spent in the Senate (which was actually a little less than 2 years of a 6 yr term) he was part of a Congress that worked the least amount of days than any other Congress in modern history (I believe the average was 160 days in session).  Besides that, he was the "Golden Child" of 'Uncle Teddy'  who was, by far, the most powerful member in BOTH chambers.  Kennedy ran Congress ... and he both directed - and protected - the President.  Obama didn't really have to deal with the "ugly." 

 

In fact, he was (purposely, it seems) directed towards the more "moderate" Republicans with whom he COULD talk and negotiate ... and, in fact, he was able to draft at least 2 bi-partisan pieces of legislation that became law and bear his name ... unprecedented for a first-time,short-term rookie Senator, as was the case with him.

 

He came in with less than 2 years of NATIONAL political experience .. which, IMO, has HAD to at least contribute to his not knowing what he's doing .. making "rookie" mistakes (which he has admitted to!) .... and then doing some of the things he IS doing in all the wrong ways!!

 

I'm sorry but .... if you know what you're doing (have experience), then, you may want to try to do things a little different ... but you KNOW what works!!  The President's (misguided) quest for "middle ground" and "compromise" does, I believe, stem from some distorted "idealism" ... a view of a "one for all and all for one" type of unity that is likely never to exist in our lifetime.

 

But he CLEARLY does not understand how things do (not) get done on a political level in this country. And had he - like every other candidate that was running against him - been in the game for several years (decades in some instances), he would have known a lot more ... than he even does NOW!!    He would have LEARNED ... not only about his colleagues .. but about the country and the attitudes of the people that inhabit it!, as well!! 

 

Time and experience have ALWAYS been the exceptional teacher of what we need to learn most.  He lacked BOTH, politically, when he became President. 

 

PLUS he was kinda weird!!   Ideologically speaking, of course! 

Ebony -- again, I just don't think it's "inexperience."  Here's a clip from Jon Stewart a couple of nights ago.  The whole thing is pretty funny, but if you start at 4:00, you will see a clip from December of 2010 (during the Bush Tax Cut compromise), in which a VERY young journalist asks Obama if, basically, Obama's compromise on the tax cuts will give Republicans an advantage over him once he eventually asks for a debt ceiling increase.  Obama's response reflects how severely he underestimated how crazy the right wingers are... but that young guy, who has even less experience than Obama, clearly was spot on. Here's the clip:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/wa...ise-without-revenues

 

 

It doesn't take experience to see what these guys are capable of.  This is the party that impeached Bill Clinton, creating a full-blown constitutional crisis because this guy lied about having sex with an intern.  THAT was all the experience I would've needed. 

 

The fact that this 20-something journalist knew that this debt ceiling thing would happen, and that Obama would basically be helpless to stop it, demonstrates that it was possible to have known.  If that understanding was out there back then, it's really incumbent upon the president to be one of those people who have that understanding.  Obama's answer proves that he really didn't see it coming.  Which means that he didn't know what that kid knew.

 

FAIL. 

  What has FAILED....in my opinion is blackfolks' MEMORY.  What President ever did the RIGHT thang for African Americans.....first?!!!  Waiting.    Folks are willing to throw my President under the bus.... while we as blackfolks historically KNOW massa is NOT gonna give up anything without a FIGHT! Especially power of the most powerful country on earth. Nothings changed people just cuz we have a black president.   No matter whatcha say....no matter the proper conjecture....that's ALL it is.  A bunch of simi colligate[sp] yapping.  Plus...folks sitting on the side line talking about what the president should and should not do!  But I bet a dime against a donut.....those SAME FOLKS who criticize everybody else without EVER looking in the mirror at own discretions will sit back and watch something WRONG happen...without  lifting ONE finger to help..while arrogantly projecting to others [using their complex political jardon] that they have their money on the issues....just to APPEAR they know what's going on....but!  Will not open their eyes to real time.  To real issues....affecting us all.  We. Need. Jobs...folks! To turn this crisis around...people are not SPENDING money cuz they are SCARED regarding their future.   So, if the president is gonna act hard azz and veto a bill....what will that do to the PEOPLE????? Just to prove to a few naysayers that he has BALLS.... ri. di. cu. lous  I haven't seen a GREAT president yet in my life time...who could cover all angles making those in politics....and those in public happy.  Do yall?  Okay.  Name ONE!!!!!  Just ONE...and I'll go sit down somewhere.

Originally Posted by Temporary Vox:

Ebony -- again, I just don't think it's "inexperience."  Here's a clip from Jon Stewart a couple of nights ago.  The whole thing is pretty funny, but if you start at 4:00, you will see a clip from December of 2010 (during the Bush Tax Cut compromise), in which a VERY young journalist asks Obama if, basically, Obama's compromise on the tax cuts will give Republicans an advantage over him once he eventually asks for a debt ceiling increase.  Obama's response reflects how severely he underestimated how crazy the right wingers are... but that young guy, who has even less experience than Obama, clearly was spot on. Here's the clip:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/wa...ise-without-revenues

 

 

 

 

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Okay, I see the point you're trying to make about the Daily Show clip, Vox .... BUT .... in reality, what really happened with that was not necessarily just a matter of some "lack of understanding" or "naivete" on the President's part!!!

 

Yes, the Republicans DID try to use the debt ceiling situation to their advantage ... but, while the President didn't think it would happen - and it did - (which can be attributed to bad judgment) ... the Republicans did not and were not about to let the country go into default!!  And he knew that.  And, ultimately, it didn't.

 

Now .... if you will remember, just a few weeks to a month ago, the Republican leadership gave the President unilateral permission and the AUTHORITY to raise the debt ceiling ALL BY HIMSELF!!  No, they didn't want to "compromise" or "negotiate" or do anything that would have resulted in them having to give up anything on their end!!  But the goal was to avoid default ... and, after two years of declarations about how the President needs to be stripped of any and all POWER, they were WILLING to let him have control of the raising of the debt limit until 2013 ... as he saw fit!!! 

 

They were willing to do that all in an effort to just be able to DROP any discussion about raising taxes on the rich!!  And what actually in effect happened is that the President ended up using HIS OWN brand of (misguided/misdirected) advantage to FORCE the conversation to go on by REFUSING to use the 14th Amendment authority to increase the debt limit on his own!! He INSISTED on a deficit-reduction converation in addition to a debt-ceiling increase .... and it was actually HIM who held the REPUBLICANS hostage by turning down their offer at what they considered a "compromise" ... giving him that kind of power ... and forcing them to do what he wanted them to do ... which was to agree to some kind of economic deal. 

 

And that's how - and why - we got with this 11th Hour debacle ... er ... deal.    But, IMO, this whole controversy was NOT the discussion we should have been having at this point in time.  And is why I call it "misguided and misdirected."  THIS kind of fight and stubborn resilience should have been about jobs, the refusal of Big Business to come up off all the billions they're hoarding, or, an additional stimulus package or SOMETHING that we "common folk" actually care about and that more directly affects us!!!

 

I understand the urgency and the importance of the debt/deficit fight ... but, IMO, the President seems to have a problem with distinguishing PRIORITIES in what he picks-and-chooses to have a fight with the Repubs about!!  He seems to have a political ineptness about what's REALLY important to those who put him in the position of President in the first place!! 

 

And, it is my belief that if he had had the proper experience and the time to gain an understanding of who he is REALLY dealing with right now .. he would know how and be able to pick and choose his "showdowns" with these crazy azz people much more effectively.

Also ... let me just throw this in there while I'm at it!!    As to the President's indifference/conflict/insistence on "compromise" ....

 

I think I DO understand the reason for it ... at least in a reasoning that makes sense to me. 

 

The fact is .... contrary to popular belief (and personal insistence) the President has every reason to be "conflicted" and "conciliatory" and "compromising"!!!  He's been doing it ALL HIS LIFE!!    In fact, he IS, within himself a "conflict" with a need for 'resolution" and "compromise."

 

Because, in reality, (and I've said it before and I will say it again!!) the President is NOT just a "Black president."  He is a BI-RACIAL President!  He is HALF White and HALF Black.  And, quite frankly, if you had to veer more to one side or the other, the STORY OF HIS LIFE would dictate a sway to the Caucasian side ... if one was to be truly honest about it.

 

Unlike the majority of us - and certainly anyone I know personally - ever since Day One of the President being able to focus his newborn eyesight on anything ... he has been looking at and SURROUNDED by White people!!    His AFRICAN father's family and relatives were on another Continent and were not part of his surrounding upbringing.  He was born out of a White woman, raised (almost every day) by a White family, educated with and by White (and non-Black) students and teachers, spent his entire formative years being raised, loved and bred by his White mother's White parents ..... AND THEN, upon leaving that White "home-nest", has spent his ENTIRE professional and political careers (from getting his Harvard education, to his community-service activities to his state and national political positions ... to even NOW as President!!) in the company of, working most closely with, being advised by, and having intimate dealings with .... who?? .... yep!  you guessed it!! ... WHITE PEOPLE!!!

 

What I can't figure out is why Black people seem to think that this INDISPUTABLE FACT somehow has no bearing on President Obama's decisions, mental and emotional states of being, his ability to believe he can talk to/deal with White people on their terms, a desire to want to (have to) try to seek "middle ground" and negotiations and the ability to put forth an effort for compromise.

 

The President has had to try to find a "center" all of his LIFE.  Within himself, with his emotions, with his reality and very existence as a human being.   He HAS had to (successfully?) negotiate being a (single) Black person in a(all) White world.  And, having made it this far, he has every reason to believe that he can navigate the treacherous journey of being able to "deal with" White people on his/their level.

 

Just because OTHER people want to LABEL him as "all" Black (for their own individual purposes and comfort) doesn't mean that that's actually the REALITY of the President's situation.  And .... it's NOT!!  He is just as much (if not more) ethnically "White" as he is "Black."

 

And I think that the fact that he HAS been able to find "acceptance", and  "compromise" and "negotiation" and "middle-ground"  with White people on EVERY level he's ever been involved in (up until now, of course!!  ) ... through family ties, basic education, higher learning, professional endeavors, and now through political access .... very clearly demonstrates the reasoning behind what we see as "indifference", "idealism", that damn insistence on compromising and his (unreasonable) belief that EVERYONE can be made to be reasonable and "fair" and 'see the (equitable) light of things. 

 

And to be honest ... I don't even really fault the President for that "disillusionment" he's suffering from.  I can understand it for the most part.  And I'm willing to give him a certain "leeway" for it, due to his unique set of circumstances.   But, what DOES disappoint me .... greatly .... in all of this is that that "everything in the middle" attitude makes him wimpy and unable to execute the kind of "KICK ASS" mentality and ability that is SORELY needed at this point and time in our country's history.

Originally Posted by Temporary Vox:

Ebony -- again, I just don't think it's "inexperience."  Here's a clip from Jon Stewart a couple of nights ago.  The whole thing is pretty funny, but if you start at 4:00, you will see a clip from December of 2010 (during the Bush Tax Cut compromise), in which a VERY young journalist asks Obama if, basically, Obama's compromise on the tax cuts will give Republicans an advantage over him once he eventually asks for a debt ceiling increase.  Obama's response reflects how severely he underestimated how crazy the right wingers are... but that young guy, who has even less experience than Obama, clearly was spot on. Here's the clip:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/wa...ise-without-revenues

 

 

It doesn't take experience to see what these guys are capable of.  This is the party that impeached Bill Clinton, creating a full-blown constitutional crisis because this guy lied about having sex with an intern.  THAT was all the experience I would've needed. 

 

The fact that this 20-something journalist knew that this debt ceiling thing would happen, and that Obama would basically be helpless to stop it, demonstrates that it was possible to have known.  If that understanding was out there back then, it's really incumbent upon the president to be one of those people who have that understanding.  Obama's answer proves that he really didn't see it coming.  Which means that he didn't know what that kid knew.

 

FAIL. 

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That is all I was trying to say above as well.

Barack Obama and the Debt Crisis: a Successful Con Game Explained


What just happened? Did Barack Obama just save the world, and us from a looming debt catastrophe? Or has he just played good cop to the Republican bad cop in an elaborate hoax staged to circumvent the will of the American people and deal mortal blows to Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security?

Barack Obama and the Debt Crisis: a Successful Con Game Explained

by BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon

The phony debt ceiling crisis was, from beginning to end, a con. It was an elaborate and successful hoax in which the nation's first black president, the Democratic and Republican parties, Wall Street and corporate media all played indispensable parts. The object of the supposed “crisis” was to short circuit public opinion, existing law, democratic process and traditions of public oversight, in order to deal fatal blows to Medicaid, Medicare, social security, job growth and public expenditures for the common good. It worked. We've been conned.

President Barack Obama as First Actor in the Con

The key actor in the con was and is Barack Obama, leader of the Democratic party and president of the United States. When the Bush and Obama administrations bailed out the banksters in 2008, 2009 and 2010 they didn't print new warehouses of greenbacks and send them over in a fleet of trucks. The Federal Reserve simply opened its spreadsheets, and wrote numbers with lots of zeroes crediting the banksters' accounts. It literally created the new money by giving it away, and next proceeded to borrow those funds back from the banksters at interest. The debt ceiling crisis was nothing but those same banksters twirling their mustaches and oinking “Well, we don't think you (the government that created the money by giving it to them) can really afford to repay all these loans you've been taking out... We might have to downgrade your credit rating...”

The whole notion of excessive government indebtedness, or that government might not be able, as the president threatened, to issue or cash social security checks was always a crock, a sham. There was never, ever a moment when Barack Obama didn't know that his homey analogies about government having to live within its means just like a family were just cynical fairy tales.

The president could have prevented this “crisis” by passing a debt ceiling when he had a 50 vote majority in Congress for all of 2009 and 2010. He could have avoided it again by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire. Instead the president renewed the Bush tax cuts when he had a 50 vote majority in Congress. The president could have defused it in the last month by any of a number of means, including simply calling it fake. But giving away the game is not what actors in a con do.

The Second Actor: Corporate Media

The second key actor in the con was and is the corporate media establishment. Media is nothing less than the sum total of the public conversation. Our corporate media is owned by a tiny group of greedy billionaires and soulless corporations who get to decide what most of us see and hear, what gets in and what gets left out of that supposedly public conversation. So corporate media cynically repeated the bankster's doubts about getting their free money paid back.

Over the years, corporate media moguls had manufactured an entire Matrix-like world of fake “money experts” and economists who assured us in the 90s that tech stocks would never go down, and in the 2000s that real estate prices would never decrease, and always that lower taxes on the rich would trickle down to create jobs for the poor.

For these masters of alternative realities, rebranding the white nationalist wing of the Republican party as “the tea party” portraying it as a mass movement, and riffing on a new/old set of lies about the government going broke were par for the course. Corporate media set the limits of the political discourse inside a false reality --- one where the myths that the US government could and might go broke, and where trickle down economics unquestioned facts. It portrayed the only political choices available in that universe as the president's accommodation vs the “tea party's” extremism.

The Third Actors: Republicans and their tea party faction

Every Jeff needs a Mutt, every good cop needs a bad cop. This was the role played by Republicans. Throughout the Obama presidency their job has been to refuse the president's pre-emptive compromises to meet them fifty, seventy, ninety percent of the way, moving the goal ever rightwards. Along the way a secondary function is to gratuitously insult the president, sometimes in openly racist terms, thus enabling some of the president's backers to try to rally black and progressive support around him despite his utter abandonment of any progressive agenda.

The power of Republicans and their tea party subsidiary to dictate the course of events has always been exaggerated. During the first two years of the Obama presidency they had no legislative majorities anywhere and could not even call a committee meeting. Even with a majority in the House since the beginning of this year, Republican power to do damage is always limited by the combined power of the Democratic White House and a large Democratic minority in Congress. Despite the insistence of Republicans and the power of corporate medial the imaginary “debt crisis” would not have existed unless the White House and Congressional Democrats co-signed it into existence.

The Fourth Actors, Hand Wringing Democrats, Progressives, and the Black Establishment

Last week we decided that Barack Obama, far from being weak, vacillating, and too spineless to stand up for the tens of millions of working and poor people who elevated him to office, was simply smarter than they were. Barack knows what side he's on --- only Democrats and so-called “progressives” don't know, or pretend not to know.

Every abusive relationship has two parts. There's an abuser, who does what he does, and there's an enabling victim who forgives and makes excuses for the abuser. When Democrats and progressives waste ink and air on President Barack Obama trying to “make him do it” or discoursing on his “weakness” and lac k of progressive backbone, they are effectively enabling his serial abuse by ascribing it to curable causes open to democratic remedies rather than deliberate intent and the people-proof mechanisms of their own party and of US governance in general. They enable their abuser.

The most pitiful and sometimes the most unprincipled of these are members of the Black Misleadership Class who support President Obama. The only card they have left is to point to the daily stream of racist quips and quotes from Republicans and tea partyers or Glen Beck, or whoever they can find that day calling the president a White House porch monkey, or some other racist epithet, as the reason to circle the wagons, squelch examination of Obama policies and silence criticism of his many betrayals in office of the cause of peace and justice.

The Directors of the Skit: Wall Street and Corporate America

Was there every really any danger of the US going broke? The stock market didn't crash. The holders of US Treasury bonds didn't try to unload them with this horrific train wreck a mere 24 hours distant. That was because they knew the train and the tracks were imaginary, they knew it was a hoax. They knew that President Obama could have declared it a foolish stunt and ignored it. They knew they would get their money any damned way.

President Obama expects to raise more than 1 billion dollars in direct financing of his 2012 presidential campaign alone, most of it from corporate sources and from Wall Street. This doesn't count the money going to other Democrats in the House and Senate, or Democratic candidates for governor, for state and county level judges and other offices, for state legislatures and the like. Substantially the same contributors not only fund and own both parties, but also bankroll and dictate the policy positions of organizations like the Urban League, the National Council of LaRaza, and the NAACP.

If you don't think dependence on corporate money, as a politician, or say as the National Urban League, whose keynote address this weekend was delivered by billionaires Bill Gates, makes you subservient to a corporate agenda, you're living in some other world. All the actors in this drama live at the corporate trough. That's it, and that's all.

The Deal: Supercommittees, Automatic Cuts, and Default Governing By Budget Cutting

With all the players acting their parts, the rigged game produced its expected outcome. Contrived in the imaginary universe where trickle down economics are the accepted norm, The Deal contains no new taxes on corporations and the wealthy.

President Obama announced that he has averted a crisis with more than a trillion dollars in immediate spending cuts, a number much higher than the value of the stimulus package passed at the beginning of his administration. A bipartisan “super-committee” of perhaps only a dozen Senate and House members will earmark a further $3 trillion in near term budget cuts, which will be submitted to Congress as up-or-down no-amendment, take-it-or-leave-it votes. y. And should Congress reject them, a round of automatic budget cuts dictated by some unknown formula will ensue. Medicare, Medicaid, social security, environmental protection and much more will inevitably fall.

Thus on the strength of a single vote in Congress drummed up by this fake crisis, the will of the American people has been subverted. Medicare, Medicaid and social security, if put up for popular votes would all win. If Congress had to debate them under scrutiny and take votes in public on them, Wall Street and the corporations would lose and the people would win. But that's the purpose of a modern political “crisis:” to engineer the enactment of measures on behalf of elites that normal political processes would not allow.

Welcome to the future, where a black president has been the indispensable anchor player in the con game that ended the New Deal and Great Society.

Bruce Dixon is managing editor at Black Agenda Report, and based in Marietta GA where he is on the state committee of the Georgia Green Party. He can be reached at bruce.dixon(at)blackagendareport.com.

IMHO, the moment Goldman Sachs executives and various other same old same old former execs were placed in all the key positions, it was gonna be downhill from there.  IN effect, foxes, wolves, snakes, and badgers were placed on the Chicken Coop Advisory Board.  I can only assume it's because they are ivy league educated people who made a lot of money and seemed to be super smart so they seemed to know a lot about economics.

 

We bailed out the banks instead of giving the money to the people to pay for their mortgages and keeping the foreclosure crisis at bay.

 

We had HUD Secty to pubically pooh pooh the idea of a foreclosure moratorium because the "foreclosures need to be resolved and worked through the system".  AS much as i did not support candidate hillary and her antics, at least she acknowledged the need for a foreclosure moratorium during her campaign.

 

We had few to none of the wallstreet execs doing the perpwalk for or accepting the responsibility for starting a GLOBAL economic problem through bad behavior & selling crap securities/bonds all around the globe - to other governments even!  

 

We had a lot of backdoor dealing, doublecrossing, and even derision of liberal ideas and their proponents FROM THE WHITEHOUSE.

 

I think we have to accept that we do not currently have a liberal or even a centrist in the whitehouse and proceed from there.  

 

The times called for something bold and courageous.  That challenge has not been met. We got backpedaling, apologizing, bending over backwards, compromising, and reaching across the aisle with phony explanations afterward instead. 

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