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Obama Speaks Out Against Slavery Reparations

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.

The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

"I have said in the past - and I'll repeat again - that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Some two dozen members of Congress are co-sponsors of legislation to create a commission that would study reparations - that is, payments and programs to make up for the damage done by slavery.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People supports the legislation, too. Cities around the country, including Obama's home of Chicago, have endorsed the idea, and so has a major union, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees.

Obama has worked to be seen as someone who will bring people together, not divide them into various interest groups with checklists of demands. Supporting reparations could undermine that image and make him appear to be pandering to black voters.

"Let's not be naive. Sen. Obama is running for president of the United States, and so he is in a constant battle to save his political life," said Kibibi Tyehimba, co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. "In light of the demographics of this country, I don't think it's realistic to expect him to do anything other than what he's done."

But this is not a position Obama adopted just for the presidential campaign. He voiced the same concerns about reparations during his successful run for the Senate in 2004.

There's enough flexibility in the term "reparations" that Obama can oppose them and still have plenty of common ground with supporters.

The NAACP says reparations could take the form of government programs to help struggling people of all races. Efforts to improve schools in the inner city could also aid students in the mountains of West Virginia, said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau.

"The solution could be broad and sweeping," Shelton said.

The National Urban League - a group Obama is to address Saturday - avoids the word "reparations" as too vague and highly charged. But the group advocates government action to close the gaps between white America and black America.

Urban League President Marc Morial said he expects his members to press Obama on how he intends to close those gaps and what action he would take in the first 100 days of his presidency.

"What steps should we take as a nation to alleviate the effects of racial exclusion and racial discrimination?" Morial asked.

The House voted this week to apologize for slavery. The resolution, which was approved on a voice vote, does not mention reparations, but past opponents have argued that an apology would increase pressure for concrete action.

Obama says an apology would be appropriate but not particularly helpful in improving the lives of black Americans. Reparations could also be a distraction, he said.

In a 2004 questionnaire, he told the NAACP, "I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say, ˜We've paid our debt,' and to avoid the much harder work."

Taking questions Sunday at a conference of minority journalists, Obama said he would be willing to talk to American Indian leaders about an apology for the nation's treatment of their people.

Pressed for his position on apologizing to blacks or offering reparations, Obama said he was more interested in taking action to help people struggling to get by. Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would stand to benefit from reparations.

"If we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they're disproportionately uninsured," Obama said. "If we've got an agenda that says every child in America should get - should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it's oftentimes our children who can't afford to go to college."

One reparations advocate, Vernellia Randall, a law professor at the University of Dayton, bluntly responded: "I think he's dead wrong."

She said aid to the poor in general won't close the gaps - poor blacks would still trail poor whites, and middle-class blacks would still lag behind middle-class whites. Instead, assistance must be aimed directly at the people facing the after-effects of slavery and Jim Crow laws, she said.

"People say he can't run and get elected if he says those kinds of things," Randall said. "I'm like, well does that mean we're really not ready for a black president?"

Article by Christopher Wills

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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
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The NAACP says reparations could take the form of government programs to help struggling people of all races. Efforts to improve schools in the inner city could also aid students in the mountains of West Virginia, said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington bureau



Hell to da naw sleep


I had a major problem with that "PEOPLE OF ALL RACES" bs too, NS.

All of a sudden we're all "in it" together?? Confused 17

I didn't see nobody else's ass "in it" when WE were the ones in chains!! Eek

Did you?? 19
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"I have said in the past - and I'll repeat again - that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed," the Illinois Democrat said recently.
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I vehemently disagree.

I will oppose him just as I will anyone else who argues the same.

And...I am still going to vote for him.

And...I am going to fight him on the issue.

It should be noted that 'Reparations' is an issue for the courts...the federal courts...seeking a decision of the validity of the demand for word done.

It is not about opinion...including that of the President of the United States.

It would be nice if he were in favor, and...he can certainly influence public opinion.

But public opinion does not have to agree either.


PEACE

Jim Chester
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Well - I never liked reparations anyway!


I guess I'll have to listen to the speech or preferably find the transcript. I don't have a problem with Obama being against Reparations. He just pisses me off with that bs one-size fits all rhetoric and the "best reparations" bs.

I'm tired of the f-ckin' stereotypes and ignorance coming out of his mouth when it comes to Black people/issues. His "best reparations" rhetoric begs the question: what does he think reparations is all about?

It's as if (and I think he said something like this) he calls himself disagreeing with a certain kind of reparations that's being advocated. But I'm like damn. Did the brother not go to Harvard? Does the brother not know Charles Ogletree? Can the brother not read and educate himself on the issue?

All he has to say is what he said during the UNITY convention:

The fact is that dealing with some of the legacy of discrimination is going to cost billions of dollars, and we're not going to be able to have that kind of resource allocation unless all Americans feel that they are invested in making this stuff happen.

I don't agree with that position and he, of all people, should be able to get his Beloved White Folk on board (though he apparently won't even try). I do, however, accept the idea as a reasonable position for a politician, especially, to have.
I don't do amerikkkan politics, but I DO advocate for MY People, reparations being expressly sensitive towards US. (Not 'Native amerikkkkans,' poor whites in appalachia ect...)

I'LL say again, obuma is only capable of extending further damage on the Black Community as how does he advocate for Blacks, when he is not?

He is mulatto.

Therefore, I'M not surprised by his positions....any of them. Some are holding out that he is but this great trojan horse in advocacy of OUR People. Even the white media has expressed it's terror regarding such possibilities.

To those who believe this, allow ME to say maybe you should be prepared for the twisted fiction that that would be, in that in reality, obuma could only serve to plunge the thorn even deeper into the sides of an already hemorhaging People........OURS.



ROARIN......
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Some are holding out that he is but this great trojan horse in advocacy of OUR People.


He's a politician. He's supposed to pursue policy. To whatever extent that makes for advocacy then fine but his job is to pursue policy. If he pursues those in his platform then the "only capable of extending further damage" notion is sorely missed placed. And, given how no-mulatto Negroes hold the same positions he does... Well, that's the end of that "twisted fixation."

Obama deserves plenty of criticism but this exaggerated bs and non-issue based nonsense needs to stop.
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
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Some are holding out that he is but this great trojan horse in advocacy of OUR People.


He's a politician. He's supposed to pursue policy. To whatever extent that makes for advocacy then fine but his job is to pursue policy. If he pursues those in his platform then the "only capable of extending further damage" notion is sorely missed placed. And, given how no-mulatto Negroes hold the same positions he does... Well, that's the end of that "twisted fixation."

Obama deserves plenty of criticism but this exaggerated bs and non-issue based nonsense needs to stop.



I said 'some.' What can you not read? Or do you just wanna rumble?

Allow ME to warn you up front....'I only rumble with those that are MY equals,' which leaves you out.
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I said 'some.' What can you not read?


I read very well. I also read my statement as not taking issue with how many people are or aren't "holding out" for Obama to be the great trojan horse.

I read my statement to question your unsupported notion that he is "only capable of extending further damage." That and your "twisted fixation" on his mulatto-ness.

And, really, what would you WARN someone who is not your equal about if you "only rumble with those who are you equal" Confused

The sh*ts doesn't make sense any more than tying Obama's thoughts on issues to his mulatto-ness and when there are a host of non-mulatto Black people saying the same things he does and/or agreeing with him.

What's their problem? They're mulatto lovers??

Surely you, the one of whom I am no equal, could elevate your game to a level higher than that.
Now let ME be clear.

(The following excerpt is taken from the efforts of a very dear friend of MINES.....no longer with US in the 'physical,' yet however, still shaking the very foundations of the 'clay' as an ANCESTOR.)
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Richard King on BLACKNESS


"King argues that blackness or carbon is life and is therefore divine. He says that ancient Africans understood this, and called themselves by various names meaning 'black,' such as 'Kemites' (people of the black earth), from which the Greeks developed the word 'chemistry' (and the Arabs 'alchemy'). Recognizing the special significance of their blackness,which far transcended the color of the skin, according to King, these ancient scientists studied the workings of their own minds, which they understoood as being identified with their entire bodies. (So much for the mind/body split so basic to European thought.)....

According to King, the ancient Africans studied until they came to understand the relationsip of 'blackness' to spirituality and inner vision; the higher levels of understanding on which synthesis occurs. For them 'Blackness' represented the divine. In his series of works entitled, The Black Dot, King supports this contention with an impressive array of references to ancient Kemetic texts and symbolic images and to a host of other theorists and historians.(105) What did these early, advanced scientists discover?"

'The original titans found that all life came from a black seed, all life was rooted in blackness, all things possessed a memory of their collective ancestors. Blackness, the universal solvent of all was seen as the one reality from which spun the threads of the loom of life. All colors, all vibratory energies, were but a shade of black; black was the color of the night sky, primeval ocean of outer space, birthplace and womb of the planets, stars and galaxies of the universe; black holes were found at the center of our own galaxy and countless other galaxies; black as the color of carbon, the key atom found in all living matter of our world; carbon atoms linked together to form black melanin, the first chemical that could capture light and reproduce itself, the chemical key to life; and the brain itself was found to be centered around black neuromelanin.

"Inner vision, intuition, creative genius, and spiritual illumination were all found to be dependent upon pineal gland blood bourne chemical messengers that controlled skin color and opened the hidden door to the darkness of the collective unconscious mind, allowing the ancient priest-scientist to visualize knowledge from the timeless collective unconscious memory banks of the mind. Indeed, the Black Dot was found to be the hidden doorway to universal knowledge of the past, and future.'(106)
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105. Richard King, African Origins of PsychoBiology, Ch 1-3; Seymour-Smith, Germantown, Tenn. 1990. Cited in Marimba Ani's YURUGU, p.468.
106. Ibid., pp. 13-14

Rest in UHURU BaBa KWAME!
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ROARIN..........
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
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Some are holding out that he is but this great trojan horse in advocacy of OUR People.


He's a politician. He's supposed to pursue policy. To whatever extent that makes for advocacy then fine but his job is to pursue policy. If he pursues those in his platform then the "only capable of extending further damage" notion is sorely missed placed. And, given how no-mulatto Negroes hold the same positions he does... Well, that's the end of that "twisted fixation."

Obama deserves plenty of criticism but this exaggerated bs and non-issue based nonsense needs to stop.




Imagine THIS.

Now the conversation has moved beyond obuma....as I have unequivocally stated 'I don't do euro-politics..' but when charged by the psychotic as to the brevity/legitimacy of ANYTHING BLACK, you got to clarify your euro-induced psycho-drivel.

Now, maginate, you seem to do well 'debating' your twisted points w/WOMEN or, cyber trolls, but here is your opportunity to communicate your 'ideas' to a Black Man---and prove where I may be 'lacking.'

What? did you think that I'D forgotten about you?

You stick your nose into a conversation I have commented on that had No Where invited YOU (but now you have been invited,) besides being subject to getting it slapped off....you've got the opportunity now....to 'vent' your concerns.

I said that obuma is a mulato and therefore incapable of comprehending the idiosycrasies of GENUINE BLACK MEN.....and I stand by it.

Show the world your reasonings.


ROARIN.....

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