Little Minx, appl Don't stress about the super-Black folks who are walking talking illustrations of the Lynch Doctrine on how to keep negroes in check ... do nothing, they will check themselves. I find it interesting that, as you mentioned, no other ethnic/racial "minority" takes pride in publically "taking down" they own, no matter how opposed they are to their policies/candidacy/positions. Living here in Tucson [34% Mexican], I watch their politics. They check their folks in private by paying them a visit, if that fails they isolate them and finally ignore the offender. But all of this is done without public bluster.

We could/should learn this lesson.

=>WIZ, From reading the article, I am more convinced than ever that there is a method to Obama's "madness".

quote:
"On the national level, bipartisanship usually means Democrats ignore the needs of the poor and abandon the idea that government can play a role in issues of poverty, race discrimination, sex discrimination or environmental protection," Mr. Obama said.


appl bow appl Someone that recognizes and speaks on this is not likely to abandon it. Obama's pragmatism dictates that the first step is to get elected, then work to effect change.

On some other sites, folks are concerned about Obama's connection to the Neo-liberal/Neo-Conservative Univ. of Chicago. Could it be that Obama positioned himself in a place where he could learn not only the rules, but the game plan of our opponent?
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Originally posted by MaynardJ:
little minx,

You can take that sambo geechy second class citizenship mentality back to that lawn you like to pose on.


No AA has to take anything from some white half-Kenyan. AAs are the reason that boy is even considered a citizen. AAs fought the system, not that boy.


You speak of self-hating and Jesse Jackson, at least he's smart enough not to use a color as an ethnic identifier, unlike your dumb ass who stupidly accepted whatever name Frosty gave your geechy ass. Hell I'm surpised you don't call yourself "Negro".


Hell no I'm not voting for the white half-Kenyan, I'll leave that for "Negros" like you. This African American ain't going for it.


have anything to say that makes sense? nevermind. i'm not interested since you can't make constructive statements.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Little Minx, appl Don't stress about the super-Black folks who are walking talking illustrations of the Lynch Doctrine on how to keep negroes in check ... do nothing, they will check themselves. I find it interesting that, as you mentioned, no other ethnic/racial "minority" takes pride in publically "taking down" they own, no matter how opposed they are to their policies/candidacy/positions. Living here in Tucson [34% Mexican], I watch their politics. They check their folks in private by paying them a visit, if that fails they isolate them and finally ignore the offender. But all of this is done without public bluster.

We could/should learn this lesson.

=>WIZ, From reading the article, I am more convinced than ever that there is a method to Obama's "madness".

quote:
"On the national level, bipartisanship usually means Democrats ignore the needs of the poor and abandon the idea that government can play a role in issues of poverty, race discrimination, sex discrimination or environmental protection," Mr. Obama said.


appl bow appl Someone that recognizes and speaks on this is not likely to abandon it. Obama's pragmatism dictates that the first step is to get elected, then work to effect change.

On some other sites, folks are concerned about Obama's connection to the Neo-liberal/Neo-Conservative Univ. of Chicago. Could it be that Obama positioned himself in a place where he could learn not only the rules, but the game plan of our opponent?


i agree. and i think he's going about it the right way. being militant will not get him elected. and i don't feel like he's ignored the black community. i watched as he gave the best speech i've ever heard about race. the man knows what's going on, and he's got diplomacy and finesse down to a science. THAT's what wins elections. some people are not going to understand that until later though. we'll wait for them to catch up. .. Wink

when are people going to realize we are holding ourselves back when we try to keep others from succeeding? his success would mean success for us all. i can't even quantify how it would change things.

i work with troubled children who told me they never cared about politics until someone who looked like them came around and showed them a different perspective. kids who didn't go to class, and cursed out their teachers, and had no respect for adults were telling me that they had respect for this man. going as far as to say he's a great man and they wanted to make changes in their lives to emulate him. no more are the days when these kids had limited role models in the media. some white folks never thought there were black people who could do what he has already accomplished. some white people imagine us all to be inarticulate, uneducated and unable to face a challenge like running for president. Imagine if he made it to the presidency. it would begin to heal some of the very serious issues we have in the black community.

you're right, other ethnicities already get this. it saddens me that we can't.

i just keep my eyes on the prize. i'm not voting for mccain. those other folks can do what they want. vote for mccain if you want to villainize obama. or don't vote at all, because that would be equally counterproductive if that's what you're into. but then don't complain when here you had a chance to put a person of color, in the white house, and you did nothing but whine try to find fault.

i wonder, if not obama, who would some of these folks like to see in office, instead?
quote:
Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Little Minx, appl Don't stress about the super-Black folks who are walking talking illustrations of the Lynch Doctrine on how to keep negroes in check ...



LOL! This loser believes in the Willie Lynch myth. That's damn pitiful. I bet you use to put your teeth under your pillow when you were high school. LOL
quote:
Originally posted by little minx:
quote:
Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Little Minx, appl Don't stress about the super-Black folks who are walking talking illustrations of the Lynch Doctrine on how to keep negroes in check ... do nothing, they will check themselves. I find it interesting that, as you mentioned, no other ethnic/racial "minority" takes pride in publically "taking down" they own, no matter how opposed they are to their policies/candidacy/positions. Living here in Tucson [34% Mexican], I watch their politics. They check their folks in private by paying them a visit, if that fails they isolate them and finally ignore the offender. But all of this is done without public bluster.

We could/should learn this lesson.

=>WIZ, From reading the article, I am more convinced than ever that there is a method to Obama's "madness".

quote:
"On the national level, bipartisanship usually means Democrats ignore the needs of the poor and abandon the idea that government can play a role in issues of poverty, race discrimination, sex discrimination or environmental protection," Mr. Obama said.


appl bow appl Someone that recognizes and speaks on this is not likely to abandon it. Obama's pragmatism dictates that the first step is to get elected, then work to effect change.

On some other sites, folks are concerned about Obama's connection to the Neo-liberal/Neo-Conservative Univ. of Chicago. Could it be that Obama positioned himself in a place where he could learn not only the rules, but the game plan of our opponent?


i agree. and i think he's going about it the right way. being militant will not get him elected. and i don't feel like he's ignored the black community. i watched as he gave the best speech i've ever heard about race. the man knows what's going on, and he's got diplomacy and finesse down to a science. THAT's what wins elections. some people are not going to understand that until later though. we'll wait for them to catch up. .. Wink

when are people going to realize we are holding ourselves back when we try to keep others from succeeding? his success would mean success for us all. i can't even quantify how it would change things.

i work with troubled children who told me they never cared about politics until someone who looked like them came around and showed them a different perspective. kids who didn't go to class, and cursed out their teachers, and had no respect for adults were telling me that they had respect for this man. going as far as to say he's a great man and they wanted to make changes in their lives to emulate him. no more are the days when these kids had limited role models in the media. some white folks never thought there were black people who could do what he has already accomplished. some white people imagine us all to be inarticulate, uneducated and unable to face a challenge like running for president. Imagine if he made it to the presidency. it would begin to heal some of the very serious issues we have in the black community.

you're right, other ethnicities already get this. it saddens me that we can't.

i just keep my eyes on the prize. i'm not voting for mccain. those other folks can do what they want. vote for mccain if you want to villainize obama. or don't vote at all, because that would be equally counterproductive if that's what you're into. but then don't complain when here you had a chance to put a person of color, in the white house, and you did nothing but whine try to find fault.

i wonder, if not obama, who would some of these folks like to see in office, instead?


Little Minx, your response indicates that you haven't read the actual positions that posters have asserted regarding Obama in this thread. That you would have Obama tell politically active young Black Males to shut up speaks volumes...
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i just keep my eyes on the prize. i'm not voting for mccain. those other folks can do what they want. vote for mccain if you want to villainize obama. or don't vote at all, because that would be equally counterproductive if that's what you're into. but then don't complain when here you had a chance to put a person of color, in the white house, and you did nothing but whine try to find fault.




**well said**....my sentiments exactly....Now is not the time for him to fully expose his agenda....he has to appeal to many across the board.....in order to get elected....after W i don't see how black folks can fix their mouths to say anything about the brother......give him a chance........he could hardly be worse than McSame........
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

Little Minx, appl Don't stress about the super-Black folks who are walking talking illustrations of the Lynch Doctrine on how to keep negroes in check ... do nothing, they will check themselves. I find it interesting that, as you mentioned, no other ethnic/racial "minority" takes pride in publically "taking down" they own, no matter how opposed they are to their policies/candidacy/positions.



*sigh* bang
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Originally posted by Kevin41:

**well said**....my sentiments exactly....Now is not the time for him to fully expose his agenda.....



Has someone here on this messageboard expressed concerns about Obama "fully exposing his agenda"? Has anyone here expressed an intent to vote for McCain? What is the basis for the irrational fear that folks seem to have about asking Obama to treat american citizens with dignity and respect, no matter the skintone?
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
Little Minx, your response indicates that you haven't read the actual positions that posters have asserted regarding Obama in this thread. That you would have Obama tell politically active young Black Males to shut up speaks volumes...


i don't have a problem with politically active you black males. i have a problem with crabs in a barrel. like i said, the delivery and the booing was unnecessary in my opinion. as my earlier post said i would have felt better if they'd even asked his opinion rather than accusing and condemning. i think that would have been more productive. get it?

i don't understand any black person who can boo the man.


unfortunately, when there are only two candidates (unless you're writing someone else's name on the ballot) and the major race is an either or proposition. when you bring obama down, you're elevating mccain. you might as well vote for the mccain if you're going to go to town meetings and publicly bring down obama. so no, nobody here, that i read, has said anything about voting for mccain. only stuff about why this man of color should not be taken seriously was said. now why would i get the two confused? sorry.
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Originally posted by little minx:

...only stuff about why this man of color should not be taken seriously was said. now why would i get the two confused? sorry.



Could you point out those responses which said or indicated that Obama should not be taken seriously?
i'm not calling anybody out on this thread. nice try though. i'm not getting into no petty he said she said. anyone who has engaged in that with me here, has gotten one response and been put on ignore. if you can just go back to page one, you'll see what i'm talking about. although noone said i'm voting for mccain, there's been plenty of discourse about what obama isn't doing and therefore shouldn't be taken seriously. in some cases, folks don't even think he should be taken seriously as a black man, let alone a presidential candidate.
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Originally posted by little minx:
nuggyt, can you expand on that? why do you feel cynthia is a good candidate? or maybe we should discuss this on it's own thread.


People say there are only two choices, that we have a two party system. That is simply not true. There are more than two parties and McKinney represents the Green party. I haven't heard much of her platform, however from what I have heard, she seems to have a closer ear to what many of those who are unimpressed with Obama are saying.
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin41:

**well said**....my sentiments exactly....Now is not the time for him to fully expose his agenda.....



Has someone here on this messageboard expressed concerns about Obama "fully exposing his agenda"? Has anyone here expressed an intent to vote for McCain? What is the basis for the irrational fear that folks seem to have about asking Obama to treat american citizens with dignity and respect, no matter the skintone?


**No NS.....we're just saying walk a straight line without leaning......towards anyone....I don't believe in castigating black people exclusively either..he could have faded that nonsense, yet still seem neutral to it all....his track record ought to tell black folks something.....everything does not need to be spelled out......after W....I do not have a problem with holding on and waiting for the rest of the show........
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
and voting for MCcain is just plain stupid.......


VOTE FOR CYNTHIA McKINNEY!!!!!
nuggyt, thanx for your response. although i'm pretty sure i'm voting for obama, i'm going to look into that green party thing. if for no other reason, because i'd like to know more about the party platform and mckinney's political background. i never really paid much attention to the green party before.
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Originally posted by little minx:
nuggyt, thanx for your response. although i'm pretty sure i'm voting for obama, i'm going to look into that green party thing. if for no other reason, because i'd like to know more about the party platform and mckinney's political background. i never really paid much attention to the green party before.


That's the problem, people don't pay attention!!!
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Originally posted by little minx:

...if you can just go back to page one, you'll see what i'm talking about. although noone said i'm voting for mccain, there's been plenty of discourse about what obama isn't doing and therefore shouldn't be taken seriously.


getting someone "called out" is not a concern of mine. My interest is in assessing the merit of your statment that "there's been plenty of discourse about what obama isn't doing and therefore shouldn't be taken seriously".

So far, I see none since discussing the campaign tactics of a politician IN NO WAY suggests that the candidate shouldn't be taken seriously.
quote:
Originally posted by negrospiritual:
quote:
Originally posted by little minx:

...if you can just go back to page one, you'll see what i'm talking about. although noone said i'm voting for mccain, there's been plenty of discourse about what obama isn't doing and therefore shouldn't be taken seriously.




getting someone "called out" is not a concern of mine. My interest is in assessing the merit of "there's been plenty of discourse about what obama isn't doing and therefore shouldn't be taken seriously". So far, I see none since discussing the campaign tactics of a politician IN NO WAY suggests that the candidate shouldn't be taken seriously.


okay. i see what you're saying. let's just try it this way. i'm saying that if you are opposed to obama's "methods" publicly like at that meeting, you're undermining him and strengthening mccain.

like i said, i think obama is addressing the needs of the black community and has even inspired many in the black community to become more involved in the political process. nothing wrong with that. i just think there's something wrong with trying to tear him down when he's been such a positive force/influence, especially on young black males.
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Originally posted by little minx:

i just think there's something wrong with trying to tear him down when he's been such a positive force/influence, especially on young black males.



were they really trying to tear him down? I mean, do you believe that a couple of brothas with a banner, who belong to a community activist group focused on the concerns of blacks, decided "ok, now's our chance! let's tear this nigga down!" or were they trying to be heard?

Heckling is a time honored tradition and has been around as long as humans have gathered themselves into groups. I agree, as have the majority in this post, that the brothas questions were not precisely phrased, but how come when brothas engaged in a POLITICAL ACTIVITY it gets labeled as "crabs in a barrel"???
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Originally posted by MaynardJ:
quote:
Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Little Minx, appl Don't stress about the super-Black folks who are walking talking illustrations of the Lynch Doctrine on how to keep negroes in check ...



LOL! This loser believes in the Willie Lynch myth. That's damn pitiful. I bet you use to put your teeth under your pillow when you were high school. LOL


Your betraying your limited analytical skills. It matters little whether Willie Lynch was real or a myth, whether it was written by some fabled west indies slave holder or a Black person to move Black folk. The fact is the writings describe how white supremacy is at the root of the intra-group dysfunctional/destructive behavior for which you should be the poster child, if not the patron saint.
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
quote:
Originally posted by negrospiritual:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin41:

**well said**....my sentiments exactly....Now is not the time for him to fully expose his agenda.....



Has someone here on this messageboard expressed concerns about Obama "fully exposing his agenda"? Has anyone here expressed an intent to vote for McCain? What is the basis for the irrational fear that folks seem to have about asking Obama to treat american citizens with dignity and respect, no matter the skintone?


**No NS.....we're just saying walk a straight line without leaning......towards anyone....I don't believe in castigating black people exclusively either..he could have faded that nonsense, yet still seem neutral to it all....his track record ought to tell black folks something.....everything does not need to be spelled out......after W....I do not have a problem with holding on and waiting for the rest of the show........



How is a political candidate to know that his tactics are displeasing to his constituents?
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I don't believe in castigating black people exclusively either..he could have faded that nonsense, yet still seem neutral to it all....


But, strategically, neutrality is not going to allay white fear, or garner the white voter. Obama is playing the game, that white folks have been playing [in the Black comunity] since Blacks have had the vote. And, the fact that this and other discussions are occurring within the Black community, it appears that he is playing it well. He has identified the group that he most needs to win and is catering to them.

If he is putting that playing part of the game, what makes you think that he will not follow through and swing Blackwards, after he is in office? His past history would suggest just that.

Besides, if Obama IS elected and turns out to be the self-hating negro that many cast him as ... what have we lost? We as a community have faced and survived greater insults and greater threats.

=> N.S.,

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How is a political candidate to know that his tactics are displeasing to his constituents?


By the constituents speaking TO THE CANDIDATE, rather than publically lambasting the candidate. Politics is no different than any other human endeavor where it is far more productive to praise in public and criticize in private.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

By the constituents speaking TO THE CANDIDATE, rather than publically lambasting the candidate. Politics is no different than any other human endeavor where it is far more productive to praise in public and criticize in private.


A. the candidate himself has no qualms about publically lambasting his constituents who have put him over the edge in damn near every state

B. the candidate shows a propensity to stubbornly stick to such tactics despite receiving letter, calls, and even counsel from old heads.

C.. the candidate has a tendency to "throw under the bus" any individuals who might be in a position to privately influence his thinking and approach

D. isn't public discussion one of the central tenets of a democracy?

E. Didn't Black America have this conversation when Clarence Thomas was in the spotlight and dissenting blacks were called upon to fall upon their swords and sacrifice themselves?
puleeze...that campaign schit is like a confirmation hearing...they are going to say what people want to hear....look how W had these fools in a lfag waving, patriotic frenzy....did not end up meaning a damn thing.......I would say examine his past stance on issues and let that be your guide......in terms of a philosophical slant he would work from..........
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Originally posted by negrospiritual:
quote:
Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

By the constituents speaking TO THE CANDIDATE, rather than publically lambasting the candidate. Politics is no different than any other human endeavor where it is far more productive to praise in public and criticize in private.



A. the candidate himself has no qualms about publically lambasting his constituents who have put him over the edge in damn near every state

B. the candidate shows a propensity to stubbornly stick to such tactics despite receiving letter, calls, and even counsel from old heads.

C.. the candidate has a tendency to "throw under the bus" any individuals who might be in a position to privately influence his thinking and approach

D. isn't public discussion one of the central tenets of a democracy?

E. Didn't Black America have this conversation when Clarence Thomas was in the spotlight and dissenting blacks were called upon to fall upon their swords and sacrifice themselves?


This is all true; but N.S., first, are Obama's actions not consistent with "the game", as it it played, i.e., selling the fake?

But in the worst case, Obama turns out to be anything that Obama detractors say he is ... by supporting him, what have we lost?

We get no spoils ... something we have never gotten. We get our collective feelings hurt ... we feel used. But in the end ... so what?

We still have defeated McCain.
Kweli, you haven't been true to the very thing you wanted to insert here. You say, "this is all true" but, apparently, the fact that Obama hasn't been "productive" in the human endeavor that is his campaign built on the backs of Blacks by PRAISING BLACKS IN PUBLIC vs. castigating us in public...

Well, it's like you that means nothing to you. You invoke that idea only to cover for Senator Obama but apparently that kind of idea is something you don't extend to the Black electorate. Somehow, despite how "unproductive" it is for Obama to publically castigate and lambast, Black people are supposed to do something Obama doesn't have to and that's moderate their speech so they can be "more productive."

And really? How do you know Obama is "selling the fake"?? Where does this stuff come from? Why are you projecting what you apparently hope to be the truth on him when you don't know that to be the truth?

And then this....


quote:
But in the worst case, Obama turns out to be anything that Obama detractors say he is ... by supporting him, what have we lost?

We get no spoils ... something we have never gotten. We get our collective feelings hurt ... we feel used. But in the end ... so what?

We still have defeated McCain.

Is that all you reduce this to? Simply beating McCain?

That doesn't square with your idea that Obama is "selling the fake." That idea of yours suggests that Obama is only "playing the game" now and, once in office, will do something positive and significant/substantial for us. That's a far cry from "if he does little or nothing, at least it's better than McCain."

Once again, double-standards are involved here. Somehow, you allow yourself to have high expectations for Obama via "selling the fake" (i.e. you refuse to believe what your eyes are seeing based on WHAT??) but for other people to have a different set of high expectations... Well, you simply have an issue with that because they're not investing the same kind of blind faith/hope that Obama is "selling the fake."

And, really, what does supporting him or not supporting him have to do with anything Negrospiritual has discussed with you?

Why is it okay for Barack Obama not to be held to the same standard you want to hold the Black electorate to? Why the double-standard? How come you haven't viewed the response Obama has received from the "rather than publically lambasting", "human endeavor", "far more productive to praise" perspective??

That is, in fact, the very point I've made... Obama has found it "far more productive" to praise Latinos/Hispanics, Jewish and White Americans, etc. "looking beyond their faults..." than he has with the very group that's been his most loyal supporters. If anything, we should be getting the most praise, not the least.

But PRAISE is what a politician is supposed to do for each and every constituency and I will never understand why any Black person willingly accepts lesser/poorer treatment, lesser respect, less consideration than everyone else. I simply can't understand that mentality which not only acts like we don't deserve better treatment but dismisses being accorded equal treatment to others as unimportant.
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And really? How do you know Obama is "selling the fake"?? Where does this stuff come from? Why are you projecting what you apparently hope to be the truth on him when you don't know that to be the truth?


I don't "know"; but I strongly suspect based on his political and academic past.

Am I projecting my hope ... absolutely.

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Is that all you reduce this to? Simply beating McCain?


In a word, and in the worst case, yes.

quote:
That doesn't square with your idea that Obama is "selling the fake." That idea of yours suggests that Obama is only "playing the game" now and, once in office, will do something positive and significant/substantial for us. That's a far cry from "if he does little or nothing, at least it's better than McCain."


That is my hope ... that Obama will get in office and turn Blackwards; but again, if he doesn't, an Obama presidency would be far better for america, and by extension, Black folks than a McCain/Bush third term.

quote:
but for other people to have a different set of high expectations... Well, you simply have an issue with that because they're not investing the same kind of blind faith/hope that Obama is "selling the fake."


No, I don't have a problem with folks that have a different set of high expectations. In fact, I have encouraged folks [and have done so myself] to voice those expectations DIRECTLY TO OBAMA, rather then "in public", e.g., on message boards, during campaign events, etc.

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Why is it okay for Barack Obama not to be held to the same standard you want to hold the Black electorate to? Why the double-standard? How come you haven't viewed the response Obama has received from the "rather than publically lambasting", "human endeavor", "far more productive to praise" perspective??


Simply put, because the two groups, Obama and the Black electorate, are in to different spaces with two different objectives. Obama is seeking to get elected which requires that the white electorate "feel comfortable" with, i.e., not threated by, him. I perceive his political strategy to advance his goal by saying "don't worry white folks, I'm not gonna give Black folks nothing special ... in fact, I'm gonna hold them to account." This strategy addresses the two concerns that the polls indicate that white folk are concerned with about Obama.

But this strategy, in my view, is merely a political strategy and says nothing about how he will govern, once elected. We should know this; we have witnessed in our community the game as played by white politicians since we got the vote.
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Simply put, because the two groups, Obama and the Black electorate, are in to different spaces with two different objectives.

What are the different objectives and what about the two different objectives makes the Black electorate's (those who take issue with the way Obama has treated Black voters) as something you haven't viewed as "any other human endeavor where it is far more productive to praise in public and criticize in private"?? Confused


quote:
Obama is seeking to get elected which requires... yada... yada...

That doesn't explain why Black people should view Obama's supposed strategy through any other lens besides one that's like "any other human endeavor where it is far more productive to praise in public and criticize in private."


quote:
This strategy addresses the two concerns that the polls indicate that white folk are concerned with about Obama

What polls are you talking about? What polls suggest that Obama has to "hold Black people to account" and don't give them "nothing" even as he differs from large swaths of Americans on the immigration issue? How does the "give them nothing" idea work when in the very heckler incident Obama was able to say he spoke out on those "black issues" without any apparent negatives?

How does that square with things he was able to say earlier in the campaign, the beginning of this year and throughout 2007, with little or any of that being the reasons cited as the reasons why the White electorate doesn't feel "comfortable" with him or, for some reason, feel "threatened" by him?

Obama was able to run a campaign prior to the Rev. Wright videos where his treatment of Black voters/people was different and more like the way he treats every other group now.

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We should know this; we have witnessed in our community the game as played by white politicians since we got the vote.

And what have we witnessed? What has resulted from White politicians who were willing to dog us prior to getting elected?

I've already stated how that's the very reason why this stuff from Obama is unacceptable and be troubling to most/all of us... because I don't believe anything changed after those White politicians got in office. IMO, they were just as willing to dog us after they got in office.
Kweli, you know what? If you really believed in this "strategy" then you should have no problem with Black dissent @ Obama.

What better way to demonstrate to Whites that Obama isn't going to pull a Moses and "deliver" his people than his people voicing their displeasure with his leadership, etc.??


Really, you need to think that stuff through some more or figure out the real reason why you have a problem with what NS and I have said none of which makes your lame "better than McCain" line relevant.
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Kweli, you know what? If you really believed in this "strategy" then you should have no problem with Black dissent @ Obama.

What better way to demonstrate to Whites that Obama isn't going to pull a Moses and "deliver" his people than his people voicing their displeasure with his leadership, etc.??


I have thought it through, my concern with the dissent is not for its effect on white folk; but its effect on other Black folk.
You're still not making sense, Kweli. You're the one who brought up "the strategy" and White folks feeling "comfortable."

What you haven't done is show how what NS has said and what I have said have some kind of adverse "effect" on other Black folk. What are you talking about now? You said all this as if it was relevant:

quote:
Obama is seeking to get elected which requires that the white electorate "feel comfortable" with, i.e., not threated by, him. I perceive his political strategy to advance his goal by saying "don't worry white folks, I'm not gonna give Black folks nothing special ... in fact, I'm gonna hold them to account." This strategy addresses the two concerns that the polls indicate that white folk are concerned with about Obama.


To that, I posed a simple question. You said the strategy was to make Whites feel comfortable voting for him and that Obama holding Black people to account serves that function: that it shows White people that they don't have to worry...

I simply asked what better way to demonstrate that Whites don't have to worry about Obama giving anything "special" to us than for Black people to be unhappy with what Obama is saying as far as "Black issues" are concerned?

Seriously, when a group like Uhuru accuses Obama of not addressing "Black issues" and the dissent here on this board expresses, as you say, how "our collective feelings [are] hurt" then what's the problem?

Everything is going according to the plan, right?
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

I have thought it through, my concern with the dissent is not for its effect on white folk; but its effect on other Black folk.




uhh...Kweli, what effect does expecting a politician to treat black citizens respectfully, have on other black folk?
quote:
Originally posted by Nmaginate:

Negrospiritual, are you planning on not voting or voting for John McCain?


Just asking...


I voted for Obama during the primary

I plan on voting for Obama during the general election.

I signed up to receive emails from myobama.com

I circulated pro-obama articles and vid clips amongst family and friends.

I have never supported John McCain and have never beleived the "maverick" rhetoric about him, since he objected to MLK day, and since he regularly appeared all cozy-like on Don Imus show.

I never thought about voting for him...

what, a sista can't voice irritation with the campaign rhetoric of "the skinny kid with a funny name" without being on McCain's decrepit jock? Confused lol
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I'm just trying to understand Kweli's logic and that of a whole bunch of other Black people who can't deal with or don't want Black people to publically criticize Obama even as they are willing to excuse that behavior when Obama does it. And, worse, criticism of Obama is framed as being tantamount to electing John McCain. WTF is that?

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