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ARE THESE MEN GOING TO GET AWAY WITH COMMITTING THIS VIOLENT ACT?

Duke's lacrosse team suspended pending DNA resultsESPN.com news services

DURHAM, N.C. -- About a third of the members of the Duke men's lacrosse team -- embroiled in a rape investigation that caused the school to suspend the team from playing -- have been previously charged with misdemeanors stemming from drunken and disruptive behavior in the past three years, according to court documents quoted in Tuesday's editions of the Raleigh News and Observer.

Fifteen of the 47 members of the team have been charged with offenses ranging from underage alcohol possession, violating open container laws, loud noise and public urination, according to the News and Observer.

The paper said that most of those charges were resolved in deals with prosecutors that allowed the players to escape criminal convictions.

Demonstrators listen to Duke University president Richard Brodhead on Tuesday. On Tuesday, Duke University's president suspended the school's highly ranked lacrosse team from play until school administrators learn more about allegations that several team members raped an exotic dancer at an off-campus party.

"In this painful period of uncertainty, it is clear to me, as it was to the players, that it would be inappropriate to resume the normal schedule of play," president Richard Brodhead said Tuesday.

Brodhead met with students Wednesday morning to discuss the incident in a forum closed to reporters, Duke spokesman Geoffrey Mock said.

"It was a meeting at which the students could share their thoughts about the topic," Mock said. He did not know how many attended but said the meeting was open to all students.

"I don't want to say I'm satisfied, but I will say that what happened in there makes me feel like we're moving in a good direction," sophomore Bridgette Howard said after the roughly hourlong session.

"We understand that the legal system is that you are innocent until proven guilty," said sophomore Kristin High. "But people are nervous and afraid that these people are going to get away with what they did because of a wealthy privilege, or male privilege, or a white privilege."

A woman told police she and another dancer were hired to perform March 13 at a private party in an off-campus home. The dancer, a student at North Carolina Central University, told police she was pulled into a bathroom, beaten, choked and raped by three men. No one has been charged.

Police took DNA samples with a cheek swab from 46 of the lacrosse team's 47 players last week. The 47th player, the only black member of the team, did not have to provide DNA because the dancer said her attackers were white. The dancer is black.

Police said three players who live at the house where the party took place spoke with investigators and voluntarily provided samples March 16. A scheduled meeting between detectives and the rest of the team was later canceled by the players' attorney, and District Attorney Mike Nifong said Wednesday the players still refuse to speak with investigators.

"I needed to have the information about who will be charged," said District Attorney Mike Nifong said. "I feel pretty confident that a rape occurred."

Brodhead said team captains notified athletic director Joe Alleva on Tuesday that players wanted to stay off the field until the DNA results came back from a crime lab. In a statement, the captains predicted the DNA testing would clear the players of wrongdoing.

The case has roiled the campus and raised racial tensions. It has also heightened antagonism between the affluent students at Duke, which costs about $43,000 a year, and the city of Durham, which has a large population of poor people and is about evenly divided between white and black.

"The circumstances of the rape indicated a deep racial motivation for some of the things that were done," Nifong said. "It makes a crime that is by its nature one of the most offensive and invasive even more so."

Nifong said the team members are standing together and refusing to talk with investigators, and he warned he may bring aiding-and-abetting charges against some of the players.

A lawyer representing several lacrosse team members did not immediately return calls Tuesday.

Angry over the team members' silence and the university's handling of the case, Durham residents have demonstrated on and off campus in the past few days. They rallied outside the house where the alleged attack occurred and gathered outside of Duke provost Peter Lange's home, where they banged on pots and pans until he emerged to answer questions.

Lange said Monday that he believes "the students would be well-advised to come forward. They have chosen not to."

Alleva had already forced the team to miss two games because of underage drinking and the hiring of dancers at the party. Duke, considered a national title contender before the season began, has a 6-2 record with five regular-season games to go.

Information from The Associated Press is included in this report
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If the Duke University lacrosse team did in fact sexually violate this young woman, with the unsubstantiated evidence that hasis being presented,ie. weak to no DNA; than yes, this case may be all but over. Unless there is/was tape of this crime, consider these young white males acquitted. Do you think it is possible that this 'exotic' dancer is lying, or 'hyped' the incident? I believe something happened to her; just not sure who the guilty are.
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If the Duke University lacrosse team did in fact sexually violate this young woman, with the unsubstantiated evidence that hasis being presented,ie. weak to no DNA; than yes, this case may be all but over. Unless there is/was tape of this crime, consider these young white males acquitted. Do you think it is possible that this 'exotic' dancer is lying, or 'hyped' the incident? I believe something happened to her; just not sure who the guilty are.


I for one am OUTRAGED by these allegations. I am very disturbed by this. Watching the news this morning, I heard one brother make an excellent point about how the media defamed the reputation of this young woman. Rather than acknowleding her as a student or woman, the racist media purposely identifies the victim as a "stripper." But if it were a White victim of rape, regardless of her occupation, she would have been described as a woman first. And you're right, something did happen that day and I hope they discover the truth.
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According to an article I was just reading...

["Black women stew about the narrow, negative ways they are nearly always portrayed. They are either quick-tempered and full of attitude like Tyler Perry's Madea character or the comedian Mo'Nique, or they are barely dressed and brazenly sexual like the women mimicking strippers in so many music videos" -- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12305991/]

...black women seem to be at the adverse end of the stick.

Lascivious droolers like Neal Bortz and Rush Limbaugh do not help w/their psychological undertones -- known as remarks and commentary.

IMHO the videos, the songs, the movies and the plays do not present an accurate picture of how the majority of black women in this country act and think.

Rape is a demeaning, physical assault that no woman deserves--whether she be black, white, yellow or green.

The story is new but the games are old, ancient even. I don't trust a cracker any further than I can spit at him. [i.e. in my line of work, I look forward to checking in a few--when they get out of line...]

When women, especially black women put themselves in the center of this type of precarious activity they should expect the worst...I do feel for them though...! Frown
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Originally posted by nayo:
If the Duke University lacrosse team did in fact sexually violate this young woman, with the unsubstantiated evidence that hasis being presented,ie. weak to no DNA; than yes, this case may be all but over. Unless there is/was tape of this crime, consider these young white males acquitted. Do you think it is possible that this 'exotic' dancer is lying, or 'hyped' the incident? I believe something happened to her; just not sure who the guilty are.


Well,
Despite the negative DNA finding, there was a documented physical exam done on the young lady that was consistent with rape. I don't think that the lack of DNA evidence completely rules out rape. One still has to consider other source of evidence such as battery etc..
I am glad that the defense attorney is still holding steadfast to the case.
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According to an article I was just reading...

["Black women stew about the narrow, negative ways they are nearly always portrayed. They are either quick-tempered and full of attitude like Tyler Perry's Madea character or the comedian Mo'Nique, or they are barely dressed and brazenly sexual like the women mimicking strippers in so many music videos" -- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12305991/]

...black women seem to be at the adverse end of the stick.

Lascivious droolers like Neal Bortz and Rush Limbaugh do not help w/their psychological undertones -- known as remarks and commentary.

IMHO the videos, the songs, the movies and the plays do not present an accurate picture of how the majority of black women in this country act and think.

Rape is a demeaning, physical assault that no woman deserves--whether she be black, white, yellow or green.

The story is new but the games are old, ancient even. I don't trust a cracker any further than I can spit at him. [i.e. in my line of work, I look forward to checking in a few--when they get out of line...]

When women, especially black women put themselves in the center of this type of precarious activity they should expect the worst...I do feel for them though...! Frown


Fine, this whole incident w/ the duke university lacrosse team and the stereotypes of bw proves the point that i've been trying to get my friends to see. maybe it's an age thing but most of the black girls i associate with do not find these images of themselves disrespectful at all and actually seem to relish in them and when i try to get them to see my point of view on what it's doing to the image of many bw they tell me to lighten up and that that every woman is portrayed in a sexual way but the way i see it is bw always get the short end of the stick b/c we have a history of America perceiving us in promiscuous light and the blow of a sterotype injures our images even more than other races of women b/c it makes it seem as if whites were right all along about our behavior. i just think if more black women around my age group started a revolution in refusing to carry on this stereotype by taking less acting roles displaying these types of images or not pursuing a career in video dancing then hopefully a later generation of bw will not be subject to the kind of general disprect black women recieve in the media or life in general as of right now.
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I'm uncertain about this issue. I know that recently at my school, a girl had supposedly been raped in a bathroom stall. But since the incident, not much has been discussed. She stated that she couldn't recall much about the boy's appearance, but if this had been a undeniable rape case, then he would be a student at my school. So far, I haven't heard much about it. But the day following the occurrence, she was talking "animatedly" about the ordeal with her friends, imploring that they not tell anyone else. (Of course, had they kept their promise, then I wouldn't have found out.) Anyway, I'm willing to believe that she told the truth, though... the entire situation seems very strange.

But anyway, in this case, I believe that this young woman is telling the truth. I know that from what I've heard, the area in which she lives in is known for its level of aggression between Blacks and Whites. So, it's quite possible that she had been raped, and something happened to conceal certain evidence. Who knows... maybe the persons who had checked for DNA evidence could have been of questionable origins. (Though that's very unlikely...) Hmm... but I don't know the personal details of the rape such as... whether she had been drugged, and then all seminal evidence had been removed (this has happened before). But anyway, even if rape cannot be proven, then battery charges are still up. Besides, this case will not fall into silence...
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I'm uncertain about this issue. I know that recently at my school, a girl had supposedly been raped in a bathroom stall. But since the incident, not much has been discussed. She stated that she couldn't recall much about the boy's appearance, but if this had been a undeniable rape case, then he would be a student at my school. So far, I haven't heard much about it. But the day following the occurrence, she was talking "animatedly" about the ordeal with her friends, imploring that they not tell anyone else. (Of course, had they kept their promise, then I wouldn't have found out.) Anyway, I'm willing to believe that she told the truth, though... the entire situation seems very strange.



I've also heard several stories.....in which women were raped at different college parties, etc.

The real fact is........these men, walk around for the rest of their lives........as if they are gods gifts to women, but have committed this crime, destroying someones life.

College is a bytch....
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qty226-The real fact is........these men, walk around for the rest of their lives........as if they are gods gifts to women, but have committed this crime, destroying someones life.

College is a bytch....


These young women make a conscious choice to participate in this type of activity.

However, the men that violate--are bitches and cowards.

My understanding is that there are plenty of women out there who are willing to voluntarily do what these macho-types choose to violently take from women who are not willing subjects.

The cycle is insane.
"...It is little wonder, then, that the gun has been called "the great equalizer," or that a white male who is really supposed to be ["something"] is referred to as a 'pistol.'

Rapists use their male members as an assault weapon, period...and yes, it has nothing what so ever to do with the tender intimacies of sex.
Race a Focal Point in Duke Scandal
By ALLEN G. BREED, AP National Writer
Sun Apr 16, 2:13 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060416/ap_on_re_us/duke_lacrosse_race

DURHAM, N.C. - Mayor Bill Bell is black. So are Police Chief Steven W. Chalmers, City Manager Patrick Baker and a majority of the city council. Durham's population is almost as black as it is white. So why is it that some blacks like Preston Bizzell, a 61-year-old Air Force veteran who said he's never experienced racism in his 30 years in Durham, believe justice here is swifter and harsher for a black man than a white one?

Bizzell sat on his bicycle recently and stared at the house where a black stripper claims she was raped and beaten by three white Duke University lacrosse players. He's convinced if the alleged attackers had been students at historically black North Carolina Central University, and their accuser white, "that same day, somebody would have been arrested."

"They wouldn't have spent that money (on DNA tests) over at that black university over there just to make sure they didn't do that," said Bizzell, a resident of the Walltown neighborhood, where some blacks still refer to the Duke campus as "the plantation." "No, no. If them girls had said, `Him and him,' you're going to jail."

Without question, the case has racial overtones. But after a month of intense media scrutiny, it's hard to tell whether the coverage has shone a spotlight on existing racial tensions in Durham, or is creating those tensions.

Bell bristles at the suggestion that the rape allegations have somehow turned up the heat on simmering racial tensions in Durham. He says Durham has no more racial trouble than any city its size.

To him, comments like Bizzell's are more about the state of the country as a whole, where blacks are represented in jails and prisons out of proportion to their percentage in the population, as they are among the poor and poorly educated.

"I think it tends to be more out of frustration, with wanting to say something," he said. "I think it's more based on history."

Attorney Kerry Sutton, who represents one of the players, said it is outsiders who are injecting race into the story.

"They've made it a much bigger element than it ever should have been," she said.

On March 13, two black women went to an off-campus house to perform for members of the lacrosse team, which has only one black member. The accuser, a 27-year-old student at N.C. Central, has reportedly said she was subjected to racial slurs, and told police she was dragged into a bathroom and raped.

At a forum last week on the Central campus, a vocal, mostly black crowd peppered District Attorney Mike Nifong with questions about why no one has been charged and why the FBI has not been called in to help investigate this as a hate crime.

Joe Cheshire, who represents one of the team captains, characterized much of what was said as, "We black people are mistreated by the criminal justice system, so what we need to do now is go out and mistreat white people."

Sutton finds it ironic that anyone would suggest Nifong was dragging his feet because the players are white, especially when he is taking so much heat for pursuing the case at all.

"I've never known Mike Nifong to make a decision based on the race of a victim or a defendant or an attorney or the judge or anybody," she said. "That is simply not a factor."

Bell, a former city council chairman and three-term mayor, said he's seen Durham reduced in news reports to "a city of poor blacks ... and you've got Duke off to its own "” a white university, a wealthy university."

In truth, he said, Durham's unemployment rate is just 4.4 percent. It's home to Research Triangle Park and its many high-tech companies. Two black-owned banks and the nation's largest black-owned insurance company are also based in Durham.

"We do have poverty," Bell said of his city of 187,000 residents. "But what city this size doesn't?"

As for the so-called racial tension he's read so much about, Bell hasn't seen it in the racially mixed crowds that have peacefully protested the alleged rape. "I'd say given the demographics of this community, I think you'll find more people are united on issues than are divided," he said.

But in a recent interview with The Associated Press, the Rev. Jesse Jackson said history can't help but loom large over this case. It is particularly horrible because these white men hired black women to strip for them.

"That fantasy's as old as slave masters impregnating young slave girls," he said.

Cheshire found Jackson's comment odd, since the lacrosse players did not specifically ask for black strippers.

"There is no slave-master mentality here, and that's just another perfect example of ... self-absorbed race pandering," Cheshire said.

Conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh has suggested that Jackson and the Rev. Al Sharpton haven't visited Durham because of its "possibility of being a Tawana Brawley situation." He was referring to the 15-year-old black girl who claimed in 1987 she was raped, smeared with feces and scrawled with racial slurs by six white law enforcement officials "” a claim championed by Sharpton but later discredited.

Jackson and others have suggested that even if the rape allegations are proven false, the racial slurs are enough to make this case worthy of such a national dialogue. One witness has said someone at the party shouted, "Hey bitch! Thank your grandpa for my nice cotton shirt."

That it happened at a university as prestigious as Duke, and among "some of its choice young men," makes that dialogue all the more necessary, Jackson said.

"The character of this thing is chilling," he said. "Something happened that everybody's ashamed of, nobody's proud of ..."

Even if some racial epithets were used, people "do say stupid things," Sutton said. When announcing the negative DNA results, even Cheshire acknowledged that doesn't mean there are not moral and ethical issues raised by the case.

Jackson said he's been too busy with immigration issues and the upcoming New Orleans election to visit Durham, but plans to come at some point. Sharpton had planned to attend a rally outside the party house this Sunday but canceled after its organizer asked him to stay away for now.

"We don't want our good to be turned into a racial issue," said Bishop John Bennett of the Church of the Apostolic Revival International. "I just think his coming may stir some people up."

There has been speculation of violence should no one be charged. Bell calls that expectation another sign of bias, recalling that last summer, when three seven-foot crosses were burned around town, whites and blacks came together to denounce the acts.

Bell arrived in Durham in 1968, the week the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated. He said the city was an oasis of calm and civility during that crisis.

"We did not have the looting, the burning, the rioting," he said. And today, no matter what happens in the Duke lacrosse case, "I have no fear of that."
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Originally posted by Kendra:
I'm uncertain about this issue. I know that recently at my school, a girl had supposedly been raped in a bathroom stall. But since the incident, not much has been discussed. She stated that she couldn't recall much about the boy's appearance, but if this had been a undeniable rape case, then he would be a student at my school. So far, I haven't heard much about it. But the day following the occurrence, she was talking "animatedly" about the ordeal with her friends, imploring that they not tell anyone else. (Of course, had they kept their promise, then I wouldn't have found out.) Anyway, I'm willing to believe that she told the truth, though... the entire situation seems very strange.



I've also heard several stories.....in which women were raped at different college parties, etc.

The real fact is........these men, walk around for the rest of their lives........as if they are gods gifts to women, but have committed this crime, destroying someones life.

College is a bytch....


One of my close associates was raped in the library of a well-known Black college; while I waited for her outside. She met up with a guy she thought she liked, and went into the 'stacks' to uh, help him with his 'research' for a paper, and he raped her. I went home when 'she did't show; called and called, no reply for 2 weeks; than that. Then, I was living in student housing/apartment; my young, naive roommate; invites this guy she had just met into our space; I go shopping for food, come back, see him hurrying down the stairwell; go in, and she wont talk to me. Two days later, she's like I was raped! wth! He threatens her, and says that because of his 'nefarious' connetions', he could hurt her/us. Pregnant/ family mom/dad/brother in hysteria/Abortion/moves out/never saw her again. Frown And, she was to embarrassed to report it, and I did'nt to respect her. I've had some 'close calls'. I had another associate who was the cousin of a celebrity/famous person, and she found herself in a horrible situation. It happens more than we would like to think about.
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Originally posted by Kendra:
I'm uncertain about this issue. I know that recently at my school, a girl had supposedly been raped in a bathroom stall. But since the incident, not much has been discussed. She stated that she couldn't recall much about the boy's appearance, but if this had been a undeniable rape case, then he would be a student at my school. So far, I haven't heard much about it. But the day following the occurrence, she was talking "animatedly" about the ordeal with her friends, imploring that they not tell anyone else. (Of course, had they kept their promise, then I wouldn't have found out.) Anyway, I'm willing to believe that she told the truth, though... the entire situation seems very strange.



I've also heard several stories.....in which women were raped at different college parties, etc.

The real fact is........these men, walk around for the rest of their lives........as if they are gods gifts to women, but have committed this crime, destroying someones life.

College is a bytch....


One of my close associates was raped in the library of a well-known Black college; while I waited for her outside. She met up with a guy she thought she liked, and went into the 'stacks' to uh, help him with his 'research' for a paper, and he raped her. I went home when 'she did't show; called and called, no reply for 2 weeks; than that. Then, I was living in student housing/apartment; my young, naive roommate; invites this guy she had just met into our space; I go shopping for food, come back, see him hurrying down the stairwell; go in, and she wont talk to me. Two days later, she's like I was raped! wth! He threatens her, and says that because of his 'nefarious' connetions', he could hurt her/us. Pregnant/ family mom/dad/brother in hysteria/Abortion/moves out/never saw her again. And, she was to embarrassed to report it, and I did'nt to respect her. I've had some 'close calls'. I had another associate who was the cousin of a celebrity/famous person, and she found herself in a horrible situation. It happens more than we would like to think about.



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They've finally arrested two of three men being accused, but why is it taking officers so long to arrest the third man being accused in this case? And now, the defense is claiming the victim was drunk during the alleged rape. But why would a working dancer make herself vulnerable by getting drunk during a performance??? Another baffling piece of information revealed in this case is that supposedly there were TWO women hired to dance that day. If that's true, then why did this other dancer leave the victim there alone with the group of men, and drunk no less??? It just doesn't add up.

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At least one of the guys arrested has a prior history.

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Student Arrested In Duke Rape Faces DC Gay Bashing Charge
by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff

April 18, 2006 - 12:00 pm ET



(Durham, North Carolina ) One of two Duke University students charged Tuesday with raping a female dancer also is accused of an attack on a gay man in Washington DC.

University lacrosse players Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann were arrested early Tuesday and charged with first degree rape, first degree sexual offense and kidnapping.

Bond for each was set at $400,000.

Finnerty, of Garden City, N.Y, is already facing an assault charge in Washington DC, the Durham Herald-Sun reported on Tuesday.

The charge stems from an incident on Nov 5 in which a gay man was attacked by three men in the Georgetown area of the district.

The victim in his report to police said that the three assailants hurled homophobic remarks while they beat him. He suffered a cut lip and multiple bruises.

Finnerty did not enter a plea in the case and was ordered to perform 25 hours of community service in Washington. He also entered a District of Columbia diversity program and his lawyer said he understood the assault charge would be dismissed when he returns to court on Sept. 25.

Finnerty and Seligmann, both 20, were charged in the rape case following a grand jury indictment. The rape allegations have galvanized Durham.

A 27-year-old black woman and mother of two children, told police she was attacked March 13 by three white men in a bathroom at a party held by the lacrosse team.

The racially charged allegations have led to near daily protest rallies. The school canceled the highly ranked team's season and accepted the resignation of coach Mike Pressler after the release of a vulgar and graphic e-mail that was sent by a team member shortly after the alleged assault.

DNA tests failed to connect any of the 46 team members tested to the alleged victim but a medical examination of the woman found injuries consistent with rape.

http://365gay.com/Newscon06/04/041806duke.htm
Yes, I've learned about Finnerty's acts of aggression towards gay men in Georgetown. Doesn't look too good for Finnerty. I really don't think these men are going to get away with this. Things are getting more and more complicated for them. Looking at the news just now, reporters say that the victim's father claims that he had no knowledge of his daughter, a North Carolina State college student and mother of two, being an exotic dancer. Now, here again, why would a young woman risk humiliating herself before her father and family members (a Black family), if she were not raped??? A woman is not going to put herself through all of this embarressment if it really did not happen.

WHITE AND PRIVILEDGED = GUILTY

One reporter made the comment that there is a racial double standard that can be applied to this case. He said that when Black men are charged with raping White women (Koby Bryant for example), the public tends to view Black men as innocent until proven guilty. But when WHITE men are charged with raping Black women, the public tends to view White men as GUILTY until proven innocent. What do you all think of this reporter's observation? Do you think this double standard applies to this case???
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One reporter made the comment that there is a racial double standard that can be applied to this case. He said that when Black men are charged with raping White women (Koby Bryant for example), the public tends to view Black men as innocent until proven guilty. But when WHITE men are charged with raping Black women, the public tends to view White men as GUILTY until proven innocent. What do you all think of this reporter's observation? Do you think this double standard applies to this case???


there's no double standard period. i think that's bs maybe that reporter is referring to the black public supporting kobe because black men who are accused of rape in my opinion are the ones who the larger public (mostly whites) tend to view as this preditory rapist with no morals and as guilty as sin. look at how they treated the white men accused of the duke university rape....they practically delayed thier arrests for days. now if that what've been a black dude, they woulda kicked down doors to get him the first day. did they take that long to arrest kobe? i don't think so. i think BLACK=GUILTY and WHITE AND PRIVELEGED= PROTECTED/INNOCENT

btw, police found new evidence in the duke case. apparently they found her nails, the ones she said she broke fighting the men off and a cab driver came forward and admitted that they were fighting a woman who they referred to as "just a stripper."
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btw, police found new evidence in the duke case. apparently they found her nails, the ones she said she broke fighting the men off and a cab driver came forward and admitted that they were fighting a woman who they referred to as "just a stripper."


But the defense claims they have pictures of the the alleged victim without the false nails. It seems whatever evidence the victim produces, the defense quickly produces evidence to counteract it. The strongest evidence that she has now is the taxi cab driver who witnessed an argument between the second stripper and one of the men who attended the party. She had better get the cab driver involved in this case before he changes his mind about being a witness. One other thing that annoys me about this case is that reporters constantly refer to the men being charged in this case as "boys" so that the public can associate youth and innocence to their character. But the people being charged in this case are not "boys," they are GROWN MEN who are being charged with commtting an ADULT crime.
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One other thing that annoys me about this case is that reporters constantly refer to the men being charged in this case as "boys" so that the public can associate youth and innocence to their character. But the people being charged in this case are not "boys," they are GROWN MEN who are being charged with commtting an ADULT crime.


YUP CAUSE WHITE ALWAYS SEEMS TO =INNOCENT.
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c'mon, i thought at least the nails would be good evidence. now that's going nowhere. this case is so frustrating.. but you're right, it seems like the cab driver is the strongest evidence now.
DNA Evidence May Now Link Duke Lacrosse Player to Rape

Thursday, May 11, 2006

DURHAM, N.C. "” New DNA evidence may link a Duke University lacrosse player to an exotic dancer who claims she was raped in the team's house, a Durham newspaper reported Wednesday.

Citing "several well-placed sources," The Herald Sun of Durham, N.C., reported that tissue collected from under the alleged victim's fingernail might match a player who was at the team party where the attack supposedly occurred.

Click here to read The Herald Sun's story.

The paper reported that sources told it that scientists said the evidence came "from the same genetic pool and was 'consistent' with the bodily makeup of one of 46 lacrosse players" who were tested in the case. Scientists were able to rule out the other 45 players who were tested, the paper reported.

Officials told FOX News that an indictment on the third suspect could come as soon as Monday.

But the sources added that because a complete DNA pattern was not obtained from the tissue itself, it was not possible to match it with the usual near-100 percent certainty.

Defense lawyers have said that previous DNA tests did not conclusively point to anyone on the team as a rapist, nor did it show any DNA from any of the players on the accuser's clothes, skin, belongings or under her fingernails.


The 27-year-old female accuser told police she was raped on March 13 at a late-night, off-campus house party where she was hired to perform as a stripper. She told police she clawed at three attackers as they raped and sodomized her for in the house bathroom.

Meanwhile, another North Carolina newspaper reported that an alibi witness for the defense was arrested on an outstanding warrant.

The News Observer reported that taxi driver Moezeldin Elmostafa, who had told police he was driving defendant Reade Seligmann during the time of the alleged rape, was arrested Wednesday on a 2 1/2-year-old misdemeanor warrant for shoplifting.

Click here to read The News Observer story.

Seligmann and fellow sophomore player Collin Finnerty are facing charges of rape, kidnapping and sexual assault in the incident. Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong has said he is looking to charge a third person, although it has been reported that the accuser cannot positively identify the alleged third attacker.

Finnerty was set to appear in court with Seligmann on May 18. Judge Ronald L. Stephens moved Finnerty's hearing to mid-June after defense attorneys argued that the prosecution would not be able to complete evidence discovery by next week.

Seligmann's attorney, Kirk Osborn, said his client was still scheduled to appear in court next week.

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DNA Evidence May Now Link Duke Lacrosse Player to Rape

Thursday, May 11, 2006

DURHAM, N.C. "” New DNA evidence may link a Duke University lacrosse player to an exotic dancer who claims she was raped in the team's house, a Durham newspaper reported Wednesday.

Citing "several well-placed sources," The Herald Sun of Durham, N.C., reported that tissue collected from under the alleged victim's fingernail might match a player who was at the team party where the attack supposedly occurred.

Click here to read The Herald Sun's story.

The paper reported that sources told it that scientists said the evidence came "from the same genetic pool and was 'consistent' with the bodily makeup of one of 46 lacrosse players" who were tested in the case. Scientists were able to rule out the other 45 players who were tested, the paper reported.

Officials told FOX News that an indictment on the third suspect could come as soon as Monday.

But the sources added that because a complete DNA pattern was not obtained from the tissue itself, it was not possible to match it with the usual near-100 percent certainty.

Defense lawyers have said that previous DNA tests did not conclusively point to anyone on the team as a rapist, nor did it show any DNA from any of the players on the accuser's clothes, skin, belongings or under her fingernails.


The 27-year-old female accuser told police she was raped on March 13 at a late-night, off-campus house party where she was hired to perform as a stripper. She told police she clawed at three attackers as they raped and sodomized her for in the house bathroom.

Meanwhile, another North Carolina newspaper reported that an alibi witness for the defense was arrested on an outstanding warrant.

The News Observer reported that taxi driver Moezeldin Elmostafa, who had told police he was driving defendant Reade Seligmann during the time of the alleged rape, was arrested Wednesday on a 2 1/2-year-old misdemeanor warrant for shoplifting.

Click here to read The News Observer story.

Seligmann and fellow sophomore player Collin Finnerty are facing charges of rape, kidnapping and sexual assault in the incident. Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong has said he is looking to charge a third person, although it has been reported that the accuser cannot positively identify the alleged third attacker.

Finnerty was set to appear in court with Seligmann on May 18. Judge Ronald L. Stephens moved Finnerty's hearing to mid-June after defense attorneys argued that the prosecution would not be able to complete evidence discovery by next week.

Seligmann's attorney, Kirk Osborn, said his client was still scheduled to appear in court next week.

FOXNEWS.COM


I hope they all rot in prison.... if big bubba doesn't get to them first.
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Originally posted by Rowe:
DNA Evidence May Now Link Duke Lacrosse Player to Rape

Thursday, May 11, 2006

DURHAM, N.C. "” New DNA evidence may link a Duke University lacrosse player to an exotic dancer who claims she was raped in the team's house, a Durham newspaper reported Wednesday.

Citing "several well-placed sources," The Herald Sun of Durham, N.C., reported that tissue collected from under the alleged victim's fingernail might match a player who was at the team party where the attack supposedly occurred.

Click here to read The Herald Sun's story.

The paper reported that sources told it that scientists said the evidence came "from the same genetic pool and was 'consistent' with the bodily makeup of one of 46 lacrosse players" who were tested in the case. Scientists were able to rule out the other 45 players who were tested, the paper reported.

Officials told FOX News that an indictment on the third suspect could come as soon as Monday.

But the sources added that because a complete DNA pattern was not obtained from the tissue itself, it was not possible to match it with the usual near-100 percent certainty.

Defense lawyers have said that previous DNA tests did not conclusively point to anyone on the team as a rapist, nor did it show any DNA from any of the players on the accuser's clothes, skin, belongings or under her fingernails.


The 27-year-old female accuser told police she was raped on March 13 at a late-night, off-campus house party where she was hired to perform as a stripper. She told police she clawed at three attackers as they raped and sodomized her for in the house bathroom.

Meanwhile, another North Carolina newspaper reported that an alibi witness for the defense was arrested on an outstanding warrant.

The News Observer reported that taxi driver Moezeldin Elmostafa, who had told police he was driving defendant Reade Seligmann during the time of the alleged rape, was arrested Wednesday on a 2 1/2-year-old misdemeanor warrant for shoplifting.

Click here to read The News Observer story.

Seligmann and fellow sophomore player Collin Finnerty are facing charges of rape, kidnapping and sexual assault in the incident. Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong has said he is looking to charge a third person, although it has been reported that the accuser cannot positively identify the alleged third attacker.

Finnerty was set to appear in court with Seligmann on May 18. Judge Ronald L. Stephens moved Finnerty's hearing to mid-June after defense attorneys argued that the prosecution would not be able to complete evidence discovery by next week.

Seligmann's attorney, Kirk Osborn, said his client was still scheduled to appear in court next week.

FOXNEWS.COM


I hope they all rot in prison.... if big bubba doesn't get to them first.


So far though, they can only positively identify one of them, since his DNA matched the DNA evidence found underneath the victim's false nails. And unless she was wearing those cheap press-on nails, anyone who has ever gotten a french manicure with false tips knows just how incredibly hard it is to get those things off without a professional manicurist! So the victim must have really struggled with these guys in order for her nails to come completly off. I am surprised there was no blood and nail flesh on the nails from the victim.
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Originally posted by Rowe:
DNA Evidence May Now Link Duke Lacrosse Player to Rape

Thursday, May 11, 2006

DURHAM, N.C. "” New DNA evidence may link a Duke University lacrosse player to an exotic dancer who claims she was raped in the team's house, a Durham newspaper reported Wednesday.

Citing "several well-placed sources," The Herald Sun of Durham, N.C., reported that tissue collected from under the alleged victim's fingernail might match a player who was at the team party where the attack supposedly occurred.

Click here to read The Herald Sun's story.

The paper reported that sources told it that scientists said the evidence came "from the same genetic pool and was 'consistent' with the bodily makeup of one of 46 lacrosse players" who were tested in the case. Scientists were able to rule out the other 45 players who were tested, the paper reported.

Officials told FOX News that an indictment on the third suspect could come as soon as Monday.

But the sources added that because a complete DNA pattern was not obtained from the tissue itself, it was not possible to match it with the usual near-100 percent certainty.

Defense lawyers have said that previous DNA tests did not conclusively point to anyone on the team as a rapist, nor did it show any DNA from any of the players on the accuser's clothes, skin, belongings or under her fingernails.


The 27-year-old female accuser told police she was raped on March 13 at a late-night, off-campus house party where she was hired to perform as a stripper. She told police she clawed at three attackers as they raped and sodomized her for in the house bathroom.

Meanwhile, another North Carolina newspaper reported that an alibi witness for the defense was arrested on an outstanding warrant.

The News Observer reported that taxi driver Moezeldin Elmostafa, who had told police he was driving defendant Reade Seligmann during the time of the alleged rape, was arrested Wednesday on a 2 1/2-year-old misdemeanor warrant for shoplifting.

Click here to read The News Observer story.

Seligmann and fellow sophomore player Collin Finnerty are facing charges of rape, kidnapping and sexual assault in the incident. Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong has said he is looking to charge a third person, although it has been reported that the accuser cannot positively identify the alleged third attacker.

Finnerty was set to appear in court with Seligmann on May 18. Judge Ronald L. Stephens moved Finnerty's hearing to mid-June after defense attorneys argued that the prosecution would not be able to complete evidence discovery by next week.

Seligmann's attorney, Kirk Osborn, said his client was still scheduled to appear in court next week.

FOXNEWS.COM


I hope they all rot in prison.... if big bubba doesn't get to them first.


So far though, they can only positively identify one of them, since his DNA matched the DNA evidence found underneath the victim's false nails. And unless she was wearing those cheap press-on nails, anyone who has ever gotten a french manicure with false tips knows just how incredibly hard it is to get those things off without a professional manicurist! So the victim must have really struggled with these guys in order for her nails to come completly off. I am surprised there was no blood and nail flesh on the nails from the victim.


they can postively identify only one of them?! Unless she was scratching and clawing at only one of them and not all four then they should be able to find the DNA of the other one's.
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they can postively identify only one of them?! Unless she was scratching and clawing at only one of them and not all four then they should be able to find the DNA of the other one's.


Yes because the DNA tests must match the DNA evidence found at the crime scene in order to positively identify who did the raping. Thus, so far, it looks as if Finnerty and Seligmann are off the hook because their DNA was not found at the crime scence. Notice no one has even heard about the status Seligmann's charges since the initial reporting. Now, they are searching for this third guy.

Since the last report I'd seen about this case, the defense is now claiming that they found a used condom in the waste basket indicating that the victim did have sex that day, but not with any of those being charged. This case is getting more and more complicated. It'll be interesting to see how all of this pans out.
Duke Lacrosse Player: 'I'm Absolutely Innocent'

Monday, May 15, 2006


DURHAM, N.C. "” A third Duke University lacrosse player indicted for his role in the alleged rape of a 27-year-old exotic dancer said Monday that he is "absolutely innocent" of all charges and that the allegations against him "are lies, fabricated ... and they will be proven wrong."

David Evans, a 23-year-old senior, is facing first-degree charges of forcible rape, sexual offense and kidnapping. Accompanied by his lawyers, family members and seniors from the men's lacrosse team, Evans gave a brief statement, during which he called the charges against him and two other indicted teammates "fantastic lies."

Evans, a team co-captain, is one of three lacrosse players who lived at the house at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd, where the alleged rape took place the night of March 13. Evans said he and his roommates helped police search for evidence after the incident was reported. He also answered questions and gave a statement to police without a lawyer present "because I knew I had done nothing wrong."

He also said he used photos to point out to police which lacrosse players were at the party the night of March 13, voluntarily turned over DNA samples, e-mail and other electronic messages, and asked to take a polygraph test "” which he said was refused by the Durham police.

Evans said that for weeks he has been trying to contact District Attorney Mike Nifong, who is prosecuting the case. Defense lawyers have complained that Nifong was not accepting evidence that may prove their clients innocent.

"All of my attempts have been denied. I've tried to provide him with exculpatory evidence to show him this could not have happened," Evans said, adding, "apparently, there's a lack of interest in my story "” the true story."

Evans said he finally got a former FBI polygraph expert to give him a polygraph test.

"I passed that polygraph for the same reason I will be acquitted of all these charges," Evans said. "I have done nothing wrong and I have told the truth, I have told the truth from Day One ... I have the truth behind me and it will not phase me."

He added: "I am innocent, Reade Seligmann is innocent, Collin Finnerty is innocent, every member of the Duke lacrosse team is innocent. You have all been told fantastic lies ... the truth will come out."

Sophomores Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty were charged on April 17 with rape, kidnapping and sexual assault; Seligmann is due back in court on Thursday, while Finnerty's next court appearance isn't until mid-June.

A black female stripper has accused three white lacrosse players of raping and assaulting her on the night of March 13 at an off-campus house party at which she was hired to perform. The accuser, who attends North Carolina Central University, claims she was attacked for at least a half hour in the bathroom and that she used her fingernails to help fend off her attackers.

Defense attorneys insist all the players are innocent.

Defense: Prosecutor Refuses to Hear Our Evidence

Evan's attorney, Joseph Cheshire, said the defense will provide evidence from "many credible" people who can account for the whereabouts' of Evans, Seligmann and Finnerty and will prove "that this rape not only did not happen but it could not have happened." But he said Nifong has "simply refused" to listen to any defense evidence.

Nifong has said little about the case in public, and defense attorneys have previously complained that Nifong has refused to meet or communicate with them.

"I've never in my entire life had a prosecutor refuse to see any evidence ... when your ears are shut and your eyes are close and your mouth is open, sometimes you don't want to see the truth," Cheshire continued, saying he believes Nifong's persistence in pursuing this case is purely for political reasons.

"This is one of the saddest days for justice in the state of North Carolina. This case has been taken out to the news media before an investigation was finished by a person seeking public office. Accusations against many, many young men were made before an investigation was completed," Cheshire said.

"This community has been torn apart intentionally on racial lines, on political lines and these boys have been chopped up in the process. They are victims, their families are victims. This community is a victim and our justice system is a victim. And these boys not only will prove that they are not guilty but they will prove unquestionably that they are innocent."

Sources close to the prosecution and the defense say the latest DNA report shows a match "” albeit not a perfect or conclusive one "” to Evans. His DNA apparently was found on one of the fake fingernails retrieved from the bathroom of the house in which the alleged attack took place. Evans is the same player the accuser identified with 90 percent certainty in an earlier photo line-up.

Defense attorneys have stressed that the DNA results do not conclusively match that of any member of the team and that the lineup was flawed.

Cheshire said that during the lineup, the accuser told police she would be 100 percent sure of the identification if Evans had a mustache "” something he said his client has never had.

Last week, Evans lost a deal that would have kept him from being charged with old alcohol and noise violations after prosecutors said he had violated the terms of the agreement by hosting the party.

Prosecutors had agreed to defer prosecution for an August 2005 charge of having an open container of alcohol in a vehicle, and a January charge of violating the city's noise ordinance. The state had agreed to dismiss the charges if Evans completed community service, paid court costs and stayed out of trouble.

A judge reinstated the alcohol charge, Evans' attorney entered a responsible plea on his behalf, and he was fined $100.

Evans is from Bethesda, Md., and went to high school at the Landon School. His father is a Washington lawyer and his mother is a lobbyist. He graduated Sunday with a bachelor of arts degree.

Meanwhile, FOX News has confirmed that the DNA found inside the accuser during a rape exam belongs to her boyfriend. This DNA is separate from that found under the fake fingernail found in the house.

According to a search warrant executed on March 16, police recovered five fingernails from the house, but it was unclear where those fingernails were found or whether they included the one containing DNA.

"Let's wait and see the fingernails and see if they match up to the way she describes the attack took place," said Cheshire, who represents the team captain who has not been charged in connection with the case.

After the first round of tests came back from a state crime lab without a match, Nifong said that in 75 to 80 percent of all sexual assault cases, there is no DNA evidence. In those cases, prosecutors had to proceed "the good old-fashioned way. Witnesses got on the stand and told what happened to them," he said last month.

On Sunday, thousands of students celebrated their graduation at Duke, where university Provost Peter Lange blamed the "sad events and relentless media coverage" of the case for tarnishing the school's image.

Some graduates at commencement had jersey numbers of Seligmann of Essex Fells, N.J., and Finnerty of Garden City, N.Y. written on their mortarboard caps.

The rape allegations led Duke to cancel the lacrosse team's season and accept the resignation of coach Mike Pressler. Duke President Richard Brodhead also initiated a series of internal investigations, one of which concluded administrators were slow to react to the scandal in part because of initial doubts about the accuser's credibility.

FOX News' Megyn Kendall, Liza Porteus and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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And Fox news, along with all the other popular news programs, including MSNBC and CNN are clearly biased towards the defense. Every guest they have on the program is invited to make arguments for the "wrongfully accused" and to make the victim out to be a drunken and confused hoar. And whenever they do get around to discussing Niflong and the victim's case, it's always something negative. Now, they are trying make Niflong out to be an incompetent attorney because he "refused Evans' exculpatory evidence." Evans claims that he volunteered to take a polygraph and was refused. I am convinced that all of this was planned because Evans knew that people would wonder what took him so long to turn himself in.

One attorney on Fox, however, did say that Evans should have never said "Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty, and I are all innocent." He believes that people might become suspicious of why he included the other two players in his speech.

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