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New Orleans Cops Face Charges in Beating By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer
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Three New Orleans police officers are facing battery charges after investigators reviewed a videotape showing two patrolmen repeatedly punching a 64-year-old man accused of public intoxication and a third officer grabbing and shoving an Associated Press Television News producer who helped capture the confrontation on tape.

After being questioned and arrested, the three officers were suspended without pay Sunday, police spokesman Marlon Defillo said. The police promised a criminal investigation.

"It's a troubling tape, no doubt about it," Defillo said.

The confrontations come as the department "” long plagued by allegations of brutality and corruption "” struggles with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and the resignation last month of Police Superintendent Eddie Compass.

The APTN tape shows an officer hitting the suspect, Robert Davis, at least four times in the head Saturday night outside a French Quarter bar. Davis appeared to resist, twisting and flailing as he was dragged to the ground by four officers.

Another of the officers then kneed Davis and punched him twice. Davis was face-down on the sidewalk with blood streaming down his arm and into the gutter.

Then a fifth officer ordered APTN producer Rich Matthews and the cameraman to stop recording. When Matthews held up his credentials, the officer grabbed the producer, leaned him backward over a car, jabbed him in the stomach and unleashed a profanity-laced tirade.

"I've been here for six weeks trying to keep ... alive. ... Go home!" shouted the officer, who identified himself as S.M. Smith.

In addition to Smith, the other officers charged were identified as Lance Schilling and Robert Evangelist. Smith is an eight-year veteran of the force, while Evangelist and Schilling have served three years each.

"The incidents taped by our cameraman are extremely troubling," said Mike Silverman, AP's managing editor. "We are heartened that the police department is taking them seriously and promising a thorough investigation."

Police said Davis, of New Orleans, was booked on public intoxication, resisting arrest, battery on a police officer and public intimidation. He was treated at a hospital and released into police custody.

A mug shot of Davis, provided by a jailer, showed him with his right eye swollen shut, an apparent abrasion on the left side of his neck and a cut on his right temple.

Davis, who is black, was subdued at the intersection of Conti and Bourbon streets. Three of the officers appeared to be white, and the other is light skinned. The officer who hit Matthews is white. Defillo said race was not an issue.

Two of the officers in the video appeared to be federal officers. Numerous agencies have sent police to help with patrols in the aftermath of Katrina, and Defillo said it would be up to their commanders to decide if they would face charges.

Under normal circumstances, it takes unusually offensive behavior to trigger an arrest on Bourbon Street. But New Orleans police have been working under stressful conditions since the hurricane. About 300 officers apparently either died, abandoned their posts or disappeared for some other reason.

Those who stayed slept in their cars and worked 24-hour shifts after the storm. Three-quarters lost their homes and their families are scattered across the country.

"Our police officers are working under some very trying times," Defillo said. "So it's a difficult time, but it doesn't excuse what our jobs are supposed to be."

Conditions have improved "” officers now have beds on a cruise ship "” but they don't have private rooms and are still working five, 12-hour days.

Compass, the police superintendent, resigned Sept. 27. Despite more than 10 years of reform efforts dating to before he took office, police were dogged by allegations of brutality and corruption.

On Friday, state authorities said they were investigating allegations that New Orleans police broke into a dealership and made off with nearly 200 cars "” including 41 new Cadillacs "” as the storm closed in.
 
 BLACK by NATURE, PROUD by CHOICE.
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I thought it was against the law to abuse people over age 60. White men have no conscience. Whatever UNIFORM they wear, they've become Weapons of Mass Lives Destruction. Black men are just as crazy. There was no reason for that beating against that gentleman. Why does it ALWAYS take a gang of white men to BEAT ONE black man no matter what his age. If they're so damn "superior", seems only one would be needed to do the job. What was the deal with that "cop" trying to break the man's leg? He was just swinging on his leg, like he was trying to break it, while the others were pummeling his upper body. It's almost too much to live in America. My daughter told me I need to join 2005. I told her that's OK, I liked when people could have a good time, walking to school, dancing when Ray Charles or others came to town, playing in neighborhoods without worrying about pedophiles and creeps and not knowing what a so-called "gay" person was until I was grown.

Now Colorado has some sh!t where people can perform open sex acts legally in clubs. God, that's nastier than nasty to me. Sex has always been between two people and sacred. Men screw dogs, cows, and everything that moves now and blatantly. This might be cool to some folks, but it's pure INSANITY to me. Then these people want our sons, if they can stay out of those cages called jails, to don some uniform called "military" and mass kill people in foreign lands. "Cops" sporting steel penises ejaculating bullets, "military" sporting steel penises ejaculating bullets. There's no end to this sh!t. We're all living in a HORROR show and there's no end in sight. The earth's mad, the inhabitants are mad, the elements are mad. We're surrounded in MADNESS. Fire, water, bombs, earthquakes. Mothers crying all over the world. God, it's just almost too much for me to comprehend. Men, your hatreds are CONSUMING you and your DEVIANCES too.

It's funny, now everyone's worrying about the bird flu. Why worry about the so-called coming pandemic, when all you do is kill folks anyway? All I hope is that it doesn't fluck up the chicken wings.

To the gentleman that got the beating, I hope when it's over you get enough money to live the rest of your life in PEACE and PROSPERITY. You didn't deserve to be left in all that blood flowing to the gutter. Nobody does. NOBODY.
These photos are graphic but tell the true story of this racial altercation...

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Police officers subdue 64-year-old Robert Davis on Conti Street near Bourbon Street in the French Quarter of New Orleans Saturday night

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Robert Davis was standing outside a bar near the corner of Conti and Bourbon Streets in New Orleans when the incident occured.


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A mounted police officer watches the scene as officers hold down and handcuff Davis.

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An Associated Press television crew recorded the incident

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A police officer who identified himself as S.M. Smith pushes Associated Press Television News producer Rich Matthews against a car

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Sixty-four year-old Robert Davis lies handcuffed on the sidewalk after being arrested by New Orleans Police.
I think after a certain point you get fatigued. Between all the disasters and "business as usual," I think I'd drop dead tomorrow if I got as outraged as I should be about everything going on. Even if these guys are convicted, there are a million others ready to pick up the baton and continue beating the living daylights out of people. Disgusting.
"We recognize that we have a very diverse community and we better get on board," he said, referring to the multicultural county that has become known as America's new melting pot.

As an added benefit, the L.A. County Sheriff's Department hopes the cultural training program will stop hefty civil judgments it has been forced to pay because of alleged police brutality.

In 1995 the department was ordered to pay $15.9 million to 36 Samoans who were holding a bridal shower in the Los Angeles suburb of Cerritos. Deputies allegedly beat some family members severely and used racial epithets during the February 1989 incident.

"Virtually every officer who showed up was white," said Garo Maardirossian, an attorney for the Samoans. "If you have a sufficient mix of officers -- someone who had been racially sensitive -- they could have avoided the whole fiasco."


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The past several years since this incident the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department has refrained from harrassing, violating, beating, etc., etc., any resident of the Samoan community.

There is a reason, or difference as to the why. The difference being unlike Black people who, or whom:

A. Choose to march after being violated.

B. Fight with police officers on the street, which brings in policing reinforcements, who are licensed to kill you.

C. ...Whose leadership be it elected officials, lawyers, or otherwise, play games, trash valid petitions for redress, and/or join the ranks of the perpetrators.

........when Black people are the recipients of these atrocities.......

by and large the Samoan community through its own Samoan lawyers, leaders, or otherwise, organized to sue Los Angeles County for megabucks, and won.

Marching in mass amounts to BS, suing for redress surely talks strongly, quashes, and/or curtails, the probability of future activity on the part of government employees who violate the rights of law abiding citizens.

The Samoans have put a stop to Los Angeles County Sheriffs harrassing and/or unlawfully violating the rights of Samoans.

It will be interesting to see, when or if, the Black community and its' leadership will ever wake up and smell the coffee. Marching, fighting with police officers, playing games, being treasonous as it concerns the many acts of sleaze on the part of our own lawyers, elected officials, etc., and their treasonous relationship with the many innocent Black people who have been violated time and time again by agents and officials of government, has yet to bring any form of redress for the wrongs of government seriously gone awry.
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Black victims of police brutality have also sued and won large settlements. Large settlements and cultural training programs (WTF is that about? If you live in a large metropolitan area and don't know anything about dealing with people of other cultures, IT IS BY CHOICE!) don't stop cops from abusing their power. People who are racists in their daily lives take that with them to work.
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Black victims of police brutality have also sued and won large settlements. Large settlements and cultural training programs (WTF is that about? If you live in a large metropolitan area and don't know anything about dealing with people of other cultures, IT IS BY CHOICE!) don't stop cops from abusing their power. People who are racists in their daily lives take that with them to work.


....the only individuals who continue to be beat down like this on a regular basis are in fact Black people. In many instances, Black people are committing crimes.

In far too many instances our own lawyers, and so-called elected officials are treasonous, and/or very inept, when it comes to serving or representing the truly innocent in the Black community.

There is a big difference. You won't find as many incidents of the Los County Sheriffs, the LAPD, etc., etc., disrespecting Samoans, Hispanics, Koreans, etc., etc.

.....like what commonly occurs in the Black community, be it the burbs, or the inner-city!
The major beneficiaries of the multiple incidents of megabucks payoffs as it relates to the atrocities of the "Rampart Scandal" are Hispanic.

Activity of rogue police officers killing, maiming, or branding the truly innocent of Black America as being criminal has been going on for years.

By and large, the so-called university educated from our own community, choose to play games, side with the perpetrators, defend criminals, etc., etc.,............

....rather than step up to the plate to serve the truly innocent, the truly oppressed, etc., etc.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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Do you not see the link between these two sentences?

  • People who are racists in their daily lives take that with them to work.

  • the only individuals who continue to be beat down like this on a regular basis are in fact Black people

    Even if I just wiped out your entire family and drank their blood, it is not your job nor is it appropriate as a police officer to come on the scene and start kickin' ass.

    Perhaps we should just station the Fruit of Islam on street corners. Things wouldn't even have to get to the civil suit level.
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    Do you not see the link between these two sentences?

  • People who are racists in their daily lives take that with them to work.

  • the only individuals who continue to be beat down like this on a regular basis are in fact Black people

    Even if I just wiped out your entire family and drank their blood, it is not your job nor is it appropriate as a police officer to come on the scene and start kickin' ass.

    Perhaps we should just station the Fruit of Islam on street corners. Things wouldn't even have to get to the civil suit level.


  • Since the Rampart Scandal, and the many follow-up civil lawsuit for damages....


    ......just like the atrocities of Killer/Butcher King Hospital major reforms have actually taken place in the Los Angeles police department, and/or other policing jurisdictions. Police officers, doctors, nurses, hospital administrators who are employed by the government are being held accountable. Furthermore there are far fewer incidents of police officers harrassing, beating, maiming, and/or killing Blacks, Hispanics, and/or otherwise. Although, many of the culprits still work for the LAPD, their roll to violate the rights of anyone who is being stopped has definitely been curtailed.

    Furthermore, video equipment has been installed on many LAPD police vehicles, to record any set or series of events. Those police officers who choose to continue such activity will have their actions recorded. It is certain that this reality has also slowed their roll to continue wrongful acts.

    The greatest deterent to stop rogue police officers, has been civil lawsuit for damages. Neither the County of Los Angeles, the City of Los Angeles, any other jurisdiction, nor the taxpayers of any jurisdiction, have an unlimited supply of assets to continue paying out mega-mega-mega-bucks as a result of the atrocities of government. Neither the City nor the county of Los Angeles choose to continue keeping any city employee on the payroll who brings such shame, shame in the form of mega-megabucks in damages, being paid for the wrongfful and illegal acts of government employees. Government, just like any private business entity, will eventually amputate this dead weight rather than be forced into bankruptcy, insolvency, etc., etc., brought on by the actions of no good employees.

    The old saying "Money Talks and B.S. Walks" is still true.

    Basically, the squeaking wheel receives the grease. For well over thirty years, the atrocities of Butcher/Killer King continued. This activity was not arrested until civil lawsuit for damages on the part of victims, their heirs, the victim's legal representatives, and/or major demographic shifts put a stop to this foolishness.

    When South Central Los Angeles, Compton, etc., etc., was predominately Black, our own leadership, our own Black doctors, our own Black nurses, our own high level Black hospital administrators chose to keep this activity going to protect personal friends, to promote a lavish life style, and/or to deceive their own constituency.

    Heck, the Los Angeles Sentinel, the largest so-called Black owned newspaper on the West Coast, has yet to publish this reality. Namely, because again our own people in high places have not been on the level with Black people.


    Sincerely,

    Michael Lofton
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    Micheal:
    ......just like the atrocities of Killer/Butcher King major reforms have actually taken place in the police department. Police officers, doctors, nurses, hospital administrators who are employed by the government are being held accountable. Furthermore there far fewer incidents of police officers harrassing, beating, maiming, and/or killing Blacks, Hispanics, and/or otherwise. Although, many of the culprits still work for the LAPD, there roll to violate the rights of anyone who is being stopped has been slowed. Furthermore, video equipment has been installed on many police vehicles, to record any set of events, meaning those police officers who choose to continue such activity will have their actions recorded. It is certain that this has also slowed their roll to continue wrongful acts. The greatest deterent though has been civil lawsuit for damages. Neither the County of Los Angeles, nor the taxpayers have an unlimited supply of money to continue paying out mega-bucks as a result of the atrocities of government. The city or county of Los Angeles will not continue to keep any employee on the payroll who brings such shame, shame in the form of megabucks in damages, being paid for the wrong acts of government employees. Government, like private business entity will eventually amputate this dead weight rather than be forced into bankruptcy, insolvency, etc., etc., brought on by the actions of no good employees.

    Michael, government(s) unfortunately doesn't operate like a private entity and oftentimes it takes a Senate Vote (figuratively speaking)or a very well documented slew of complaints to fire a government employee....let alone a police officer.

    Now what do you suppose would have happened if Mr Davis had died in lieu of the beating that he sustained? Without Media video coverage?
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    Micheal:
    ......just like the atrocities of Killer/Butcher King major reforms have actually taken place in the police department. Police officers, doctors, nurses, hospital administrators who are employed by the government are being held accountable. Furthermore there far fewer incidents of police officers harrassing, beating, maiming, and/or killing Blacks, Hispanics, and/or otherwise. Although, many of the culprits still work for the LAPD, there roll to violate the rights of anyone who is being stopped has been slowed. Furthermore, video equipment has been installed on many police vehicles, to record any set of events, meaning those police officers who choose to continue such activity will have their actions recorded. It is certain that this has also slowed their roll to continue wrongful acts. The greatest deterent though has been civil lawsuit for damages. Neither the County of Los Angeles, nor the taxpayers have an unlimited supply of money to continue paying out mega-bucks as a result of the atrocities of government. The city or county of Los Angeles will not continue to keep any employee on the payroll who brings such shame, shame in the form of megabucks in damages, being paid for the wrong acts of government employees. Government, like private business entity will eventually amputate this dead weight rather than be forced into bankruptcy, insolvency, etc., etc., brought on by the actions of no good employees.

    Michael, government(s) unfortunately doesn't operate like a private entity and oftentimes it takes a Senate Vote (figuratively speaking)or a very well documented slew of complaints to fire a government employee....let alone a police officer.

    Now what do you suppose would have happened if Mr Davis had died in lieu of the beating that he sustained? Without Media video coverage?


    .....Mr. Davis's fate would have been like so many other innocent Black men beaten down by police before him.

    Without witnesses, without someone coming forth, just like the infamous "Rodney King" beating none of us would have known about it. The activity would have been swept under the rug.

    If not for the actions of "Holiday", Holiday being Caucasian, few Black people, or otherwise would have known about Rodney King's fate.

    I don't know about other jurisdictions, but in Los Angeles, government employees are being held accountable. A while back, while driving an over 26,000 lb tanker truck, while on City business, I was involved in an accident that killed a Caucasian senior citizen. Had I not followed the rules, or not been using City property for City business, slim chance exists where the Los Angeles City attorney's office would have represented me. I would have had to finance my own legal defense.

    The same can be said for any other city employee. Now days, police officers in Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, and/or nearby jurisdictions, are really being scrutinized, so much so, that as stated before, far fewer incidents take place where any police officer is going to be so bold as to knowingly over step his or her boundaries.
    Michael,.....Mr. Davis's fate would have been like so many other innocent Black men beaten down by police before him.
    I agree.

    Michael,
    I'm sorry to hear about the accident that you had, and the senior citizen's family.
    In cases like the one that you had, the question is, were you doing what you were supposed to be doing. You're right.

    From what you stated the LAPD has undergone a turnaround from complete lawlessness.
    Man Beaten in New Orleans Says Racism Not to Blame
    Compiled by the DiversityInc staff

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    © 2005 DiversityInc.com

    October 12, 2005

    Charges of racism arose after the beating of a black man by white police officers this weekend was caught on tape. But Robert Davis, a retired teacher, told USA Today that his violent arrest in New Orleans says more about post-hurricane chaos than it does about racism. "Some people want to make it a race thing. I don't. That's demeaning to me," he said.



    Despite his claim, the Justice Department is investigating whether the 64-year-old's civil rights were violated. The incident took place Saturday night, after Davis left a restaurant in the French Quarter to smoke a cigarette. He said he asked an officer about the city's curfew and was interrupted by another. That offended him, and he told the police officer as much. That's when the brawl, which involved four officers, began.



    Davis, who faces charges of public intoxication and resisting arrest, said the officers, who pleaded not guilty to battery charges, should be fired. "They don't need to be on the force," he said. "It's not good for the city."



    "New Orleans is a place that has an open invitation to visitors," said Joseph Bruno, Davis' lawyer. "And they should know that they're not putting themselves at risk when they come here."



    Quote of the day:

    "Some people want to make it a race thing. I don't. That's demeaning to me."

    "”Robert Davis, the black retired teacher whose beating by white police officers in New Orleans was caught on tape. USA Today, Oct. 12.
    Yeah, I've seen this man interviewed, and he reallly doesn't believe it's a race thing. Everytime he says it I can see his lawyer cringe! No doubt he would love to make it a race issue!

    But this man is something else. He also says he harbors no animosity toward anyone and thanked the police chief for so promptly taking action on it. The man's daughter was pretty livid, though. If she has anything to do with it (like convincing her Daddy to quit saying stuff like he's not bitter about it! Eek) those cops will definitely swing for what they did.

    CNN shows the actual tape of him lying in a pool of blood, with his face completely beaten. It was absolutely horrible that anyone would do that to a 64-year-old person. The state ought to tie those police down and let a bus load of senior citizens kick their asses for a while and see how they like it!
    I think that he is suffering from that same brain damage that Dennis(can't remember the last name) was suffering from after being pulled from his truck and nearly beaten to death during the L.A. riots - he also was adamate about not having any animosity - I guess it is hard to feel animosity for something that you cannot remember happening because you were beaten so badly that the incident itself was blocked out of your memory.
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    I think that he is suffering from that same brain damage that Dennis(can't remember the last name) was suffering from after being pulled from his truck and nearly beaten to death during the L.A. riots - he also was adamate about not having any animosity - I guess it is hard to feel animosity for something that you cannot remember happening because you were beaten so badly that the incident itself was blocked out of your memory.


    His name was Reginald Denny.
    Some people seem to never learn; either that or they are in too deep in their own destruction to easily or quickly get out. Then again, who knows, the incident itself may have had a negative affect on his brain - something else people rarely talk about in police brutality - it seems almost a miracle the most people nearly beaten to death by a or especially several police officers, does not come away brain damaged or permanently crippled, etc., in some way or another.
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    Originally posted by sunnubian:
    I think that he is suffering from that same brain damage that Dennis(can't remember the last name) was suffering from after being pulled from his truck and nearly beaten to death during the L.A. riots - he also was adamate about not having any animosity - I guess it is hard to feel animosity for something that you cannot remember happening because you were beaten so badly that the incident itself was blocked out of your memory.


    His name was Reginald Denny.


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    Even today, unless the interest is to buy large chunks of property at a price that is very reasonable as compared to their own immediate community, few if any Caucasians live in, or have any reason to visit South Central Los Angeles.

    Demographic shifts, the issue of increased fuel costs for commuting, the close proximity of South Central Los Angeles to booming Los Angeles downtown area, as it pertains to business expansion and development, would be the only reasons that Caucasians would have any interest in South Central Los Angeles.

    The primary reason that the Caucasian community or any outside interest group, would have in the area, is to eradicate the area of deadly criminal activity, to make South Central Los Angeles business friendly, or conducive to business development.

    ....and be it out of curiousity or otherwise, Reginald Denny contributed to his own demise, by driving into the area.

    Following the Rodney King verdict, you can bet your life on it, that within a New York minute, Caucasians made it a point to warn each other to stay out of South Central Los Angeles.

    With all the commerce that is moved daily by the trucking industry, wouldn't you find it strange that one lone Caucasian big rig truck driver, in a Reginald Denny, would choose to visit an area, that other truck drivers, who use "CB" radios, etc., etc., warn other truck drivers of any foreseen hazard?

    Even under normal conditions, meaning without a riot situation, visiting South Central Los Angeles, Compton, etc., etc., would not be at the top of the list of priorities for any Caucasian to visit, conduct legal business, or otherwise. Generally speaking, as it pertains to the Black community, ever since the riot of 1965, unless promoting a heavy police presence, the Caucasian community has washed its' hands of any association with South Central Los Angeles.

    Following the Rodney King verdict, the area of South Central LA, would definitely be a hazardous area for any Caucasian(s) who choose to visit South Central Los Angeles.

    Heck, by and large Black people with any sense either remained at home, and/or those who lived outside of the area, refrained from visiting any friend, relative, or associate who lived near the flashpoint of the 1992 riot.
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    I have to say that I did find it strange that he just happened to be driving through a rioting area or had no idea that there was a riot going on. Also, I do know from people I know from people who had relatives living in that area at the time that the media basically did a 'katrina coverage' of the riot, purposely not showing any of the many looters that were not Black; also, the riot initially started out as a revolt against police brutality in that area by all people, Black, white, brown, etc., but was quickly propagandized into appearing to be a racial riot involving only Blacks vs. whites in general and the police in particular, quickly curbing/ceasing involvement by whites and others that were just as fed up with and sick of the LAPD.

    Also, what I gathered from people from the area is also that the majority of Black people were not participating in the rioting/looting, etc., just as you stated, and that the media portrayed it like African Americans were burning and looting their own communities, however, what I was told was that they had targeted places to burn down, etc. (not that I am condoning rioting as a way of protest, because I don't);

    I guess what I trying to say is that that riot was headed for being an all out riot by ALL of the people pissed off at the LAPD until the media coverage quickly fed it to the public as an only Black race riot against the LAPD. Then you know what they say about 'self-fulfilling prophecy.'
    sunnubian ...

    I was there, front and center. Reginald Denny was driving to make a delivery, and basically, there was no warning that anything like the riots were about to jump off. The verdict came in, people got mad, they shared their anger with others who were already mad ... and nobody was there to say STOP!! I don't think he could have known what he was getting into, because it was all sort of made up as it went along.

    Although there were some looters who were not Black, the majority of them were. They did intentionally target non-Black establishments, but they also went after/into any kind of store that may have had something they wanted. Many black-owned businesses were spared if they had a "black-owned" sign put up in their window or door. Most of the rioters would have prefered to fight police than to steal ... but the police wouldn't show up. They had "no orders" to go in and stop the burning and the violence. So non-black store owners and a lot of firemen took the brunt of the violence.

    I'm not sure what the media showed outside of L.A., but, it was definitely Black folks and they were definitely rioting! Eek But, I'm sure what they didn't show was all the furniture and clothing and other ill-gotten goods that were returned to the stores and the establishment after people had a chance to think about it and be sorry for what they did.
    sunnubian...

    "I have to say that I did find it strange that he just happened to be driving through a rioting area or had no idea that there was a riot going on. Also, I do know from people I know from people who had relatives living in that area at the time that the media basically did a 'katrina coverage' of the riot, purposely not showing any of the many looters that were not Black; also, the riot initially started out as a revolt against police brutality in that area by all people, Black, white, brown, etc., but was quickly propagandized into appearing to be a racial riot involving only Blacks vs. whites in general and the police in particular, quickly curbing/ceasing involvement by whites and others that were just as fed up with and sick of the LAPD.

    Also, what I gathered from people from the area is also that the majority of Black people were not participating in the rioting/looting, etc., just as you stated, and that the media portrayed it like African Americans were burning and looting their own communities, however, what I was told was that they had targeted places to burn down, etc. (not that I am condoning rioting as a way of protest, because I don't);

    I guess what I trying to say is that that riot was headed for being an all out riot by ALL of the people pissed off at the LAPD until the media coverage quickly fed it to the public as an only Black race riot against the LAPD. Then you know what they say about 'self-fulfilling prophecy.'" by sunnubian

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    "I was there, front and center. Reginald Denny was driving to make a delivery, and basically, there was no warning that anything like the riots were about to jump off. The verdict came in, people got mad, they shared their anger with others who were already mad ... and nobody was there to say STOP!! I don't think he could have known what he was getting into, because it was all sort of made up as it went along.

    Although there were some looters who were not Black, the majority of them were. They did intentionally target non-Black establishments, but they also went after/into any kind of store that may have had something they wanted. Many black-owned businesses were spared if they had a "black-owned" sign put up in their window or door. Most of the rioters would have prefered to fight police than to steal ... but the police wouldn't show up. They had "no orders" to go in and stop the burning and the violence. So non-black store owners and a lot of firemen took the brunt of the violence.

    I'm not sure what the media showed outside of L.A., but, it was definitely Black folks and they were definitely rioting! But, I'm sure what they didn't show was all the furniture and clothing and other ill-gotten goods that were returned to the stores and the establishment after people had a chance to think about it and be sorry for what they did." by EbonyRose

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    After over thirty years of African-American administration and operation, what began as the "embodiment of dreams for racial self-determination" is now known, according to the Times, to the blacks it was established to serve as "Killer King," its reputation so feared that patients are known to flee ambulances to avoid being delivered there and police reported to have a mutual understanding that wounded officers will be taken anywhere but King/Drew.

    The well founded view of Caucasians, and/or others as it concerns life in South Central Los Angeles.

    Mind, you numerous other Black people who live in South Central Los Angeles, and beyond have knowledge of this, and choose not to be treated at Butcher/Killer King should a calamity hit them, due to senseless Black on Black violence or otherwise!


    Don't you believe this sunnubian, as it applies to Caucasians not being on the alert, as implied in the above quotation by EbonyRose

    ....Heck, riot or not, Caucasians look over their shoulder when being tailed by Black people. Heck, some Black people do the same, as it pertains to scrutinizing anyone from the Black communty, who or whom are determined to be a threat to them. The knowledge of becoming some statistic due to Black on Black criminal activity or hatred, make this response to be on the alert very real, in that every Black person who walks, or who breathes, are not the friend of Black people.

    You know good and well, or at least it would not be hard to believe, that once the verdict was rendered, as it concerns the Rodney King verdict to acquit Los Angeles Police Officers of any wrongdoing, Caucasians passed rapid fire messages with or without the media being involved, between themselves to stay out of the area, as it pertains to South Central Los Angeles, and/or any other predominately Black community.

    In addition, quite a few Black people, including yours truly, found that it would be best to stay clear of South Central Los Angeles, and/or should you be in the area, it would behoove you to be on guard for anything and everything. It would not require a degree in nuclear physics to come to the conclusion that South Central Los Angeles would not be a good place to be, once the Rodney King decision to acquit LAPD officers was rendered.

    It would be extremely difficult for me to believe that a Reginald Denny would close himself off from any form of communication with other truckers, his fellow Caucasian community, or otherwise.

    Truckers must constantly tune in to their CBs to monitor traffic conditions, weather conditions, road hazards, or any other problem that a trucker may face.

    At least since the late 60s, during the time South Central Los Angeles, and Compton have been predominately Black.....

    .......Caucasian LADWP city workers, other city workers, and/or private contractors, unless escorted by police officers, it would not be uncommon for Caucasians and/or others to take on other assignments in other areas rather than subject themselves to gunshot fire, bodily injury, etc., while performing work to repair or install power, repair roads, repair water lines, maintain power apparatus, in certain areas of South Central Los Angeles, such as Watts, Florence, Nickerson Gardens, Jordan Downs, Compton, etc. It would not be uncommon for the Fire Department, Police Department, etc., to wait for the smoke to clear, for dead bodies to be lying around, for a fire to consume property, rather than risk losing a police officer, a fire fighter, a paramedic, etc., because of senseless gang shootings, etc., etc.

    I can see their point or reasoning here, in that it is so much easier to replace property, and the property of South Central Los Angeles, not being considered a necessity, rather than risk losing a fallen comrad due to senseless disregard for life that comes with the territory of life in South Central Los Angeles, as it pertains to a life than cannot be brought back. Heck, on numerous occasions I've had to hit the deck, or make tracks from an area or building, rather than face being hit by gunfire, gunfire as a result of some senseless argument, that stems from a Black on Black altercation, and/or criminal activity.

    I was also living in Los Angeles when the riot of 1992 took place. I was also living in Watts, on 120th and East Main Street, during the first Watts riot.

    Like you stated unlike the first riot of 1965, which was a protest, rebellion, "Boston Tea Party", against police brutality and other oppressive conditions to which a predominately Black population were both the oppressed and the participants, the riot of 1992, although initiated by Black people, proceeded to become a predominately Hispanic uprising.

    Heck, within my neighborhood, while enroute to work, I witnessed Hispanics breaking into bike shops, and other businesses owned by Koreans.

    In addition, the riot of 1992 being County wide, some business owners faked their own property damage, or set fire to their own property as a fraudulent means to collect insurance benefits, from a business venture that was already failing, be it under riot conditions or not. Heck, the haves as well as the have nots were on the take. Individuals in new or late model luxury vehicles could be seen stealing from Fedco, formerly located at Rodeo Road and La Cienega Boulevard, and other business locations, throughout Los Angeles County, Los Angeles County encompassing a large geographical area.

    Over a decade since the riot of 1992, South Central Los Angeles is totally different today. While Black people are running away from South Central Los Angeles, to the inland Empire, New Orleans, Palmdale, Atlanta, etc., etc., South Central Los Angeles an area at the bottom of the economic development, an economic environment that can't help but rise in prosperity....

    ......in contrast, Hispanics are taking advantage of the opportunity to move their people forward.


    Sincerely,

    Michael Lofton
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Kevin41:
    I wonder if this guy Lofton would look over his shoulder in lilly white backwoods part of alabama at night if there were white guys walking behind him....lets see him really test his loyalty to those good ole white folks.......


    ...now considering what California has to offer, who in their right mind would leave the most prosperous state in the U.S., for an Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Georgia, etc.

    California and the opportunity it represents vs. the world economy.

    "I wonder if this guy Lofton would look over his shoulder in lilly white backwoods part of alabama at night if there were white guys walking behind him....lets see him really test his loyalty to those good ole white folks......." by Kevin41

    ....now I really have no reason to visit or relocate to the lilly white backwoods of Alabama or otherwise. Can't make any real money there, none of my relatives, or anyone I would want to visit lives there, so it would be pointless to make such a move or visit. Now if I were to make such a visit or move, my chances of survival would still be much greater than the risk of living in any predominately Black community.

    ...no need to. Unlike many Black people, who have chosen to run away from prosperity, I'm not leaving one of the most prosperous States in the U.S. to relocate to Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Maryland, Texas, etc., etc.

    ....Since this is Kevin41's interest, the interest being, "I wonder if this guy Lofton would look over his shoulder in lilly white backwoods part of alabama at night if there were white guys walking behind him....lets see him really test his loyalty to those good ole white folks......." by Kevin41,

    ....perhaps you should make this reality your dream come true!
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    Michael ... I'm beginning to think that there's something really wrong with you. Frown

    #1 - It's not like White people took leisurely strolls through South Central ANY day of the week! Eek It's not like when the verdict came in there was suddenly some emergency shout out not to go into the hood!

    #2 - If you (as a Black man? :confused) were timid about going into South Central L.A. for fear of losing your life ... well, See #1! because perhaps, like Kevin41 says, you may be one of them! Eek

    #3 - The LAPD was given no orders until the 3rd day when everybody went home to go and try to restore order. That's one of the reasons the police chief lost his job. You remember that racist, Bill Gates, don't you? I'm sure he would have been one of your favorites!

    #4 - The County of Los Angeles extends from the Pacific Ocean east for the next 100 miles, almost. The riots were confined to a specific area within a specific section of the City of Los Angeles. You shouldn't give people the impression that it was this massive, all out riot situation. It was bad enough as it was. It didn't extend outside of the Black neighborhood of South Central Los Angeles. I lived within a couple of miles of Fedco, and it was not burglarized by the residents of South Central. It was burglarized by people a little more affluent, like you, that got caught up in the moment.

    Let's tell the truth about it, if you're going to tell it at all.
    EbonyRose and/or anyone else of similar expression,

    quote:
    Originally posted by EbonyRose:
    Michael ... I'm beginning to think that there's something really wrong with you. Frown

    #1 - It's not like White people took leisurely strolls through South Central ANY day of the week! Eek It's not like when the verdict came in there was suddenly some emergency shout out not to go into the hood!

    #2 - If you (as a Black man? :confused) were timid about going into South Central L.A. for fear of losing your life ... well, See #1! because perhaps, like Kevin41 says, you may be one of them! Eek

    #3 - The LAPD was given no orders until the 3rd day when everybody went home to go and try to restore order. That's one of the reasons the police chief lost his job. You remember that racist, Bill Gates, don't you? I'm sure he would have been one of your favorites!

    #4 - The County of Los Angeles extends from the Pacific Ocean east for the next 100 miles, almost. The riots were confined to a specific area within a specific section of the City of Los Angeles. You shouldn't give people the impression that it was this massive, all out riot situation. It was bad enough as it was. It didn't extend outside of the Black neighborhood of South Central Los Angeles. I lived within a couple of miles of Fedco, and it was not burglarized by the residents of South Central. It was burglarized by people a little more affluent, like you, that got caught up in the moment.

    Let's tell the truth about it, if you're going to tell it at all.


    ************************************
    ....being timid has no relevancy. Although at the time of the 1965 Watts Riot, I was but 11 years old, many thanks to my parents for giving me good leadership, to not become a part of the looting, the bloodshed, etc.

    I survived the riot of 1965, and 1992, by using good judgment as opposed to following any crowd of stupidity to where had I followed, instead of having a clean record, I would now have a truly earned felonious criminal record, or like more than just a few people, I would have met my maker, as in sharing dirt with earth worms.

    Unlike the riot of 1965, during the riot of 1992, numerous individuals were recorded on video tape by the news media, and/or other media, stealing, setting fires, and/or destroying private property. With a recorded history of criminal activity, all any policing authority would have to do is wait it out, and apprehend all the suspects recorded committing crimes at a later date. Once order was maintained, I don't need to fill in the blanks as to the fate of those who were recorded on tape stealing, damaging property, etc., etc.

    ...If anyone is not telling the truth it is you EbonyRose, because reports of burglary, fire damage, and property damage during the 1992 riot, extended to other areas that include Pacoima, Long Beach, other cities, and other unincorporated areas that are outside the jurisdictional boundary of the City of Los Angeles, which make the acts of destruction, theft, fire damage, etc., etc., etc., County wide. Last time I checked to which reality will also show, the City of Long Beach and/or other outlying communities are not within the City of Los Angeles.

    ...and following in the footsteps of the N.O.I. to blame every Caucasian is not the solution, nor will this improve the quality of life in the Black community!

    ..Other thoughts on the subject that also hold validity to which Daryl Gates, nor Caucasians, etc., are the cause of the demise of the Black community!

    ...only the gullible, and/or the race card players hold the belief that Chief Daryl Gates was racist.

    ...another unfounded statement, being that former Los Angeles Police Chief Darryl Gates was a racist. Heck, Daryl Gates did the Black community residents of South Central Los Angeles a favor by not giving the order for LAPD police officers, and/or asking for the California National Guard to restore order in South Central Los Angeles.

    In the event the troops had been called in like what took place in 1965, numerous Black people, and/or others would be buried six feet under, or maimed for life.

    I shudder at the thought of what former Los Angeles Police Chief Willie Williams, and/or former Police Chief Bernard Parks, would have done.

    ...and should the government violate the rights of law abiding citizens, civil redress is in order!

    Willie Williams being the former police chief of Philadelphia, an import from the City of Brotherly Love, to which former Mayor Wilson Goode gave the order for the Philadelphia police Department to firebomb a residence owned by Move members to which numerous Black home owners, Black residents lives were placed in jeapardy, and a city block or more of homes burnt to a crisp, due to the hasty acts of Mayor Wilson Goode to order the Philadelphia policing authorities to carry out plans to drop an incendiary device from a helicopter on a residence that contained Black women and children associated with the Move organization!

    ....and I also shudder at the thought of what carpet-bagging 8th District Los Angeles City Councilman, former LAPD Police Chief Bernard Parks, would have done, when Parks was involved in the cover-up of numerous atrocities connected with the Rampart Scandal!

    Sincerely,

    Michael Lofton
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    quote:
    I survived the riot of... 1992, by using good judgment ....


    So did 75% of other Black folks in the area. "...the LA riot in 92 was not a black riot at all, .... According to the LAPD itself, about 60 percent of the rioters were LATINO, 25 percent were BLACK, and 13 percent were WHITE, while perhaps 2 percent were asian or unclassified, though the media represented it as nothing more than black deviance. By definition, this was a friggin' rainbow riot, with all kinds of folks involved. None of this makes it any better, but it is worth pointing out that referring to such an event as a black riot, which seemed to be implied above, is dishonest."

    --so saith de white man: Tim Wise--


    Anecdote does not an argument make.
    quote:
    Originally posted by Isome:
    quote:
    I survived the riot of... 1992, by using good judgment ....


    So did 75% of other Black folks in the area. "...the LA riot in 92 was not a black riot at all, .... According to the LAPD itself, about 60 percent of the rioters were LATINO, 25 percent were BLACK, and 13 percent were WHITE, while perhaps 2 percent were asian or unclassified, though the media represented it as nothing more than black deviance. By definition, this was a friggin' rainbow riot, with all kinds of folks involved. None of this makes it any better, but it is worth pointing out that referring to such an event as a black riot, which seemed to be implied above, is dishonest."

    --so saith de white man: Tim Wise--


    Anecdote does not an argument make.


    That can't possibly be true. I distinctly recall FoxNews, AmRen and VDare saying that the only ones roiting were us Black savages. {Sarcasm Off}

    BTW, Welcome ISOME tfro
    quote:
    Oh goodness, you did NOT mention VDare?!! I thought I was the only Black person in the world to have gone to the site. *ha ha*
    by ISOME

    Nope, as you will see, we have a [self-identifying Black] member who is quite fond of linking to these sites to prove his "Black folk ain't sh!t" points. lol

    You'll see. But don't be scared, most of us still have our faculties.
    1. ".........any better, but it is worth pointing out that referring to such an event as a black riot, which seemed to be implied above, is dishonest." by Isome

    ______________________

    2. addressed to sunnubian,.....

    ........ "Like you stated unlike the first riot of 1965, which was a protest, rebellion, "Boston Tea Party", against police brutality and other oppressive conditions to which a predominately Black population were both the oppressed and the participants, the riot of 1992, although initiated by Black people, proceeded to become a predominately Hispanic uprising.

    Heck, within my neighborhood, while enroute to work, I witnessed Hispanics breaking into bike shops, and other businesses owned by Koreans.

    In addition, the riot of 1992 being County wide, some business owners faked their own property damage, or set fire to their own property as a fraudulent means to collect insurance benefits, from a business venture that was already failing, be it under riot conditions or not. Heck, the haves as well as the have nots were on the take. Individuals in new or late model luxury vehicles could be seen stealing from Fedco, formerly located at Rodeo Road and La Cienega Boulevard, and other business locations, throughout Los Angeles County, Los Angeles County encompassing a large geographical area." by Michael Lofton

    ______________________________

    There is absolutely no similarity as to wording or meaning, in statement #1, the erroneous statement to imply that Michael stated the 1992 riot was an all Black people thing.....

    ......versus statement #2, the real words, or written expression of Michael Lofton. Based upon the outcome of the Rodney King verdict and other issues, although some Black people incited the 1992 riot, by and large Hispanics were the primary looters, etc., etc.
    _________

    ....being timid has no relevancy. Although at the time of the 1965 Watts Riot, I was but 11 years old, many thanks to my parents for giving me good leadership, to not become a part of the looting, the bloodshed, etc.

    I survived the riot of 1965, and 1992, by using good judgment as opposed to following any crowd of stupidity to where had I followed, instead of having a clean record, I would now have a truly earned felonious criminal record, or like more than just a few people, I would have met my maker, as in sharing dirt with earth worms.

    Unlike the riot of 1965, during the riot of 1992, numerous individuals were recorded on video tape by the news media, and/or other media, stealing, setting fires, and/or destroying private property. With a recorded history of criminal activity, all any policing authority would have to do is wait it out, and apprehend all the suspects recorded committing crimes at a later date. Once order was maintained, I don't need to fill in the blanks as to the fate of those who were recorded on tape stealing, damaging property, etc., etc.

    ...If anyone is not telling the truth it is you EbonyRose, because reports of burglary, fire damage, and property damage during the 1992 riot, extended to other areas that include Pacoima, Long Beach, other cities, and other unincorporated areas that are outside the jurisdictional boundary of the City of Los Angeles, which make the acts of destruction, theft, fire damage, etc., etc., etc., County wide. Last time I checked to which reality will also show, the City of Long Beach and/or other outlying communities are not within the City of Los Angeles.

    ...and following in the footsteps of the N.O.I. to blame every Caucasian is not the solution, nor will this improve the quality of life in the Black community!

    ..Other thoughts on the subject that also hold validity to which Daryl Gates, nor Caucasians, etc., are the cause of the demise of the Black community!

    ...only the gullible, and/or the race card players hold the belief that Chief Daryl Gates was racist.

    ...another unfounded statement, being that former Los Angeles Police Chief Darryl Gates was a racist. Heck, Daryl Gates did the Black community residents of South Central Los Angeles a favor by not giving the order for LAPD police officers, and/or asking for the California National Guard to restore order in South Central Los Angeles.

    In the event the troops had been called in like what took place in 1965, numerous Black people, and/or others would be buried six feet under, or maimed for life.

    I shudder at the thought of what former Los Angeles Police Chief Willie Williams, and/or former Police Chief Bernard Parks, would have done.

    ...and should the government violate the rights of law abiding citizens, civil redress is in order!

    Willie Williams being the former police chief of Philadelphia, an import from the City of Brotherly Love, to which former Mayor Wilson Goode gave the order for the Philadelphia police Department to firebomb a residence owned by Move members to which numerous Black home owners, Black residents lives were placed in jeapardy, and a city block or more of homes burnt to a crisp, due to the hasty acts of Mayor Wilson Goode to order the Philadelphia policing authorities to carry out plans to drop an incendiary device from a helicopter on a residence that contained Black women and children associated with the Move organization!

    ....and I also shudder at the thought of what carpet-bagging 8th District Los Angeles City Councilman, former LAPD Police Chief Bernard Parks, would have done, when Parks was involved in the cover-up of numerous atrocities connected with the Rampart Scandal!
    ________

    ....and I'm not about to change the rest of the material just to please a reader's eyes, or if spoken, a listener's ears, because this material is true and factual, and no amount of lipservice, Daryl Gates bashing, George Bush bashing, playing the card, accusing anyone to be an UT who doesn't agree with them, etc., etc., etc. from a Kweli4Real, Isome, EbonyRose, Kevin41, or otherwise will change it!

    Sincerely,

    Michael Lofton
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