Koppel & Brokaw:
Health care is a right

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By Larry Elder



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© 2006 Laurence A. Elder

Ted Koppel, who formerly hosted "Nightline," and Tom Brokaw, who formerly hosted the "NBC Nightly News," recently sat down with NBC's Tim Russert on "Meet the Press."

(By way of background, Russert, the senior vice president and Washington, D.C., bureau chief for NBC News, once worked for New York Democratic Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan and New York Gov. Mario Cuomo. Meanwhile, across the dial, ABC promoted former Clinton aide George Stephanopolous of "This Week" to chief Washington correspondent at ABC News. But we digress.)


With Koppel and Brokaw's "retirement," one wonders whether they might be careless and reveal their liberal bias in favor of big government, high taxes and regulation. They didn't disappoint. Remember former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said, "Health care should be a right, not a privilege"? Koppel and Brokaw apparently agree.

Koppel: "... [W]e have been priding ourselves on having the best medical care in the world – and you know something? You can get the best medical care in the world, he can get the best medical care in the world, I can. Most Americans can't. And there are 43 million Americans who aren't getting any medical care at all. That is a scandal."

Note Koppel made no distinction between those without medical care and those without medical insurance.

Russert should have said, "I think you mean there are 43 million Americans without medical insurance. And even the term 'American' should be taken with a grain of salt. For, out of the 43 million, this includes approximately 10 million people here illegally. Furthermore, the 43 million includes a large number of young, healthy Americans who decided to keep the money otherwise spent on premiums. And of that 43 million, Ted, approximately 20 million go without health-care insurance for four months or less. So when you get down to it, the hard-core number of Americans without health-care insurance is probably 10 to 15 million Americans, and out of a population of nearly 280 million, do we really want to call this a crisis?"

Russert might have continued, "Furthermore, Ted, by law, any hospital that accepts government funds – including Medicare and Medicaid – must treat indigents in its emergency room. And don't forget about Medicaid, under which poor people get health care through taxpayers. To say nothing of free clinics found in virtually every city, no- or low-cost vaccination programs, and programs under which drug companies give free drugs to those who cannot afford it." But Russert said nothing.

Now, on to Mr. Brokaw.

Brokaw: "That [medical care] is getting attention at least, where people are trying to come to grips with that. And what was so stunning to me was that the Bush administration, after winning a very sizeable popular vote in the 2004 election, put as its highest priority the reform of Social Security and not health care in America, because I thought that's where most people were concerned."

I almost fell out of my chair.

Honestly, did Brokaw, following Bush's victory in 2004, expect the president to announce "Hillarycare" as his top priority!!??? Yeah, Kerry promised this, but the president promised to reform Social Security. Pardon Bush for attempting to fulfill a campaign promise. And pardon Bush for at least voicing Republican principles that our health-care system suffers from too much government interference, rather than too little.

One more word about the former "Nightline" host's "Meet the Press" interview: Remember, Koppel said, you have the best medical care, Tim, and you do, Tom, and I do, but most Americans don't. News flash for Mr. Koppel: Super-rich guys like you possess the power to get more, bigger, better, faster. That's why so many people aspire to wealth.

This goes to the huge issue of media bias and its influence on how people feel, think and vote. Two years ago, a UCLA political scientist named Tim Groseclose studied media bias. He certainly anticipated a leftward tilt, "because surveys have shown that reporters tend to vote more Democrat than Republican." But the magnitude of the leftward bias surprised even him. His co-author, Jeff Milyo, said, "There is a quantifiable and significant bias in that nearly all of them [major media outlets] lean to the left."


Brokaw and Koppel's attitudes explain the number of "news" pieces showing the allegedly excellent health-care coverage Europeans and Canadians receive. This explains why, for example, during televised discussions over health care, you rarely see a free-market talking head opposing price controls, pushing for less regulation and urging more private sector competition.

No, Koppel, Brokaw and Russert (by his silence), effectively say: Health care is a right; taxpayers are morally obligated to pay for it; and Bush turned his back on voters by not supporting Hillarycare.

But then, there's no such thing as media bias.

*Plantation defender for real....
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'Groids get theirs and cringe to see those who haven't, because it reminds them that they could be in that position at any time they fall out of favor with their handlers. As a result they bitch and moan constantly about those less fortunate because their very existence is a reminder of what could happen if...
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Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"



Kevin:

This is only trumped by your attempts to defend the PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRIBUTION OF EDUCATION.

Your defense has much more impact on the average Black kid than anything that Larry Elder has done.

It seems to me that you speak on behalf of teachers unions rather than BLACK KIDS.


There is little doubt in my mind that you and others seek to "DEFEND THE STATUS QUO WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AS YOU STRUGGLE TO GET AMERICA TO CHANGE".


*The Black Criminal - a victim of society (The little Klan boy who attacks Blacks? Punish him)

*School Performance - Need more money. You will never ask Black people to divert more of their discretionary spending into the investment of education

* Healty Lifestyles among Blacks? - Doctors don't provide the same level of care to us as they do to white folks


THE BIGGEST FEAR THAT YOU MUST HAVE IN YOUR MIND IS TO BE FORCED TO CREATE A SOCIETY BASED UPON YOUR THEORIES WITH NO EXTERAL HOST TO RECEIVE BENEFIT FROM

The sad part about it is that YOU promote yourself as BLACK POWER rather than BLACK DEPENENCY. Where did you go wrong man? What happened?
....now speaking of defending the status quo, more likely this fits our disgraceful elected representatives and/or an inept Black middleclass more so than any Black conservative....

"House Negroes can't back-up a prayer of a chance in any benefit as to AA benefitting a Michael Lofton because I only give credit where it is due....."

....now AA has done about as much or less for me.....

...as a no good Reverend Henry Lyons, and snake oil saleman Reverend Jesse Jackson, Brentwood Burke, Merv Dymally, Kerosene Waters, etc., etc.,, etc., etc., have been true vanguards in the interest of the Black community!



....AA has yet to benefit me, and again I only give credit where it is due....

...the same or similar response, the response being.....

...........no need to. Illegal immigrant no good serving foreign interests at the expense of the citizens of Compton, South Central Los Angeles Congressman Merv Dymally is not worthy of the respect due an elected representative. The same can be said for no good in violation of the Los Angeles County Charter 2nd District Los Angeles County Supervisor Brentwood Burke, caught with his pants down while having lewd sex with a prostitute in a government owned vehicle California State Assemblyman Kevin Murray, no good serving her family at the expense of the taxpayer's Kerosene Waters, the Yellow Journal in the Los Angeles Sentinel that couldn't publish factual evidence about the truly law abiding if the information was given to them verbatim, etc., etc.

Respect is earned. Unlike a Kevin41, an Empty Purnata, etc., etc., who are not a part of this constituency,., I have the right to condemn, because:

A. I'm a law abiding, voting, and taxpaying constituent of the City of Los Angeles, the Los Angeles 2nd County District, and/or the State of California.

B. Elected officials are public servants sworn under oath to uphold the law.

C. These individuals have used false pretenses to hold elected office, and/or deception to derive financial gain at the expense of taxpayers.

D. They have each trashed or ignored legitimate petitions for redress from their constituency, which is the height of incompetence of the part of any elected official, which means they are not worthy of anything less than a derogatory adjective that precedes Congress person, Assemblyperson, County Supervisor, etc., etc. Basically known despots are not worthy of respect in any regard.

E. The Los Angeles Sentinel has yet to retract falsehoods, apologize, and/or set the record straight as it applies to publishing known falsehoods about members of the Black community.

Last but not least, again, I only give credit where it is due, to which none of these individuals are worthy of my respect. Respect must be earned.
This would be especially the case in the relationship between a public servant and his or her constituency!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Originally posted by Isome:
'Groids get theirs and cringe to see those who haven't, because it reminds them that they could be in that position at any time they fall out of favor with their handlers. As a result they bitch and moan constantly about those less fortunate because their very existence is a reminder of what could happen if...


LOL!

Apparently for Condoleeza Rice, J.C. Watts, Armstrong Williams, Larry Elder, Ward Connerly, "Rev." Jesse Lee Peterson, Juan Williams and Clarence Thomas; Affirmative Action was just fine WHEN THEY BENEFITTED FROM IT.

Now that they have "made it" up the ladder, they want to kick it down so other Blacks can't use it. They want to be the only House Negroids in Massa's house. They can't have other Negroids stealing their spotlight!

Got-damn Kneegrows. They can't stand Affirmative Action because they claim it's "racist" against YT, but White Skin Hiring Privilege is a White-American prerogative in their eyes. "Massa deserves to be hired! Yes'suh! His people don' own aw 'de bin'ness, so he's can do what he wonts tuh! But niggras can't do that, no'suh! Massa said we'se all lazy and need to prove awe'selves, and I'se stand by's him 'cuz he pats me on 'de head and gives me 'de pig legs!" [Said with greasy, chicken-eating grin]

Got-damn Kneegroids. I have to say, Chris Rock's words ring true, "There's Black folks, and then there's niggers." And Blk-CONS are some damn niggers (and not "nigga", I mean "nigger", with an "er").
I'm curious, kevin41: what do you think of Afrimericans who were born in poverty yet mainatined their extreme conservative bias throughout the tough years? This isn't a question on whether or not you agree with their views. Despite what some people may believe not all superconservative Blacks did a 180 once they reached a certain level of prominence--some were ultra right-wing through it all and used that conservative ethos to get where they are.

As for the health care issue, it never ceases to amaze me that the USA is the only First World Industrial nation on this planet that doesn't have some form of socialised medicine. The lack of health care certain segments of our society must endure--or the shitty health care they receive (baring illegals and those who can afford to pay but don't want to) is appaling. Having been in that category once, I can personally atest to it.

Constructive Feedback, it seems that you tried to make the point that some aspects of our lives places us in a higher risks category than other races--if that wasn't your point, then my apologies. If it was, I agree to a certain extent, but study after study has also shown that when all factors are controlled for, Blacks consistently get worse care than our counterparts. We are less likely to be given potentially life saving drugs, less likely to underg potentially life-saving surgeries/treatments, less likely to receive adequate aftercare following an operation...hell, we're even less likely to receive heavy painkillers for extreme pain! Remember, this is still the case even when controlling for isurance and ability to pay.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0DXK/is_18_20/ai_110619175#continue
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African Americans and Hispanics are more likely to experience pain, but less likely to be treated for it, even when they are in a doctor's care. Black folks in nursing homes are 64 percent more likely to do without pain medication than their White counterparts. Hispanics with broken arms or legs were twice as likely as Whites to go without pain medication. Part of the problem is that health care professionals see some patients through a stereotypical lens that colors (pardon the pun) their diagnosis and treatment.

Even when researchers controlled for income, language skills and insurance status, African Americans and other racial and ethnic minorities were under treated for pain across a range of conditions, from cancer and chest pain to post-surgical and lower back pain. Additionally, access to pain care and pain medication varied by race, with pharmacies in the 'hood far less likely to carry narcotic pain medicines.
CF...you're not that big on comprehension so what something SEEMS like to you is always questionable...once you get the things under your belt that I have done....you MIGHT be in the position to offer scrutiny...but you're in the stage of your life where you are trying to figure out your own existence, let along help others....

I am a product of public schools in Texas and there are many black kids who perform at a level higher than the whites or asians you covet...just like how whites were bussed to black schools from all white schools.....but you could never fathom that shit in your self-loathing azz skull...see where I come from white people are just people...in your mind they are something to aspire upwards to.......go back and look at Stanford 9 results and grades for black kids in Texas and how many schools have been turned around due to the accountability and types of teachers there. They are still on an upswing going all the way back to the 90's....remember the article that stated how Texas could be a blueprint for the nation in terms of accountabilty and postive measurable results? Go read about public school reform where I come from and see how a private or voucher school does not mean shit. there are all-black magnet schools for engineering and medical professions that would run circles around that bullschit you are promoting.
I'm not here to educate you CF...you are an adversary and you need to do your own gotdamn homework. Start placing facts and direct quotes in here when you speak on behalf of others.......you come across as a little ignorant pussy azzn fuck when you play that strawman game and assign YOUR mindset to others as if they think the dumb shit you say....go spend your life devoting your time and money to the improvement of black people...and your actions will supercede anything detrimental I am supposedly doing or saying to black people okay? and if you think a nigga like yourself or larry coon elder who spends their time telling black people that they are not shit and are dumb, criminal and are the reason for all the conditions they face has more of a positive effect than me educating black people and arming them to suceed in life....then you are the dumbest motherfucker that came from a woman's insides...you really are...your daily uncle tom game has played out and you are just grasping at straws to save face...learn how to sit up like an adult and answer a fucking question specfically before you offer your off-base azz thoughts on what somewhat else thinks.....there is a lot about you that is remedial CF and you need to fix your own inherent flaws before you try to cop a judgemental posture with others....your crazy azz homie with the issues from his warped azz past needs to do the same....it is something you negroes are trying to compensate for in your own lives but it is not working....it is very very obvious and you or him are not masking shit effectively..........also, you have not been through enough development to be my spokesperson.....you have a long way to go lil fella.....a long azz way........
sck Also, you have not been through enough
development to be anybody's spokesperson...
...you have a long way to go lil fella...
a long azz way...
sck
Uppity Negress,

Blacks maintained SOCIALLY conservative views during our advancement, not POLITICALLY conservative views. One has to do with family marriage, religion and morality which we are all for. The other relates to politics and policies such as repeals on AA that has always worked adversely against blacks...and if you ever look at what the black majority believes in, the political conservatives are diametrically opposed to it 100% of the time. That tells me that one of two things are apparent....either they are racist as hell and are opposed to any advancement on the part of blacks that helps to establish equality or we are too damn stupid to think in our own self-interest and they are just trying to save our dumb azzes from ourselves....go figure........
Actually some views that are considered "socially conservative", I disagree that they are limited to social "conservatism". I don't view centering on family and morals as "conservative" because many social "liberals" do the same.

I also don't necessarily anti-racism to be "liberal".
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
Uppity Negress,

Blacks maintained SOCIALLY conservative views during our advancement, not POLITICALLY conservative views. One has to do with family marriage, religion and morality which we are all for. The other relates to politics and policies such as repeals on AA that has always worked adversely against blacks...and if you ever look at what the black majority believes in, the political conservatives are diametrically opposed to it 100% of the time.


OK, I see the how you distinguish the two, although there does seem to be a bit of gray area. For example, is being anti-homosexual a social or poltical issues? It seems social, IMO, but if the last wave of election count for anything, the right sure played it like a political issue.

You say that political conservatives are diametrically opossed to the Black majority. The only issues I can think of now are AA and death penalty reform. What are the others?
hate crime legislation, remedial college bridge courses, go to NAACP and see if you can find their legislative report card..it will outline many other issues i'm sure....
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Originally posted by UppityNegress:
...study after study has also shown that when all factors are controlled for, Blacks consistently get worse care than our counterparts. We are less likely to be given potentially life saving drugs, less likely to underg potentially life-saving surgeries/treatments, less likely to receive adequate aftercare ...Remember, this is still the case even when controlling for isurance and ability to pay.


A couple years back I was discussing an AMA report that, in addition to the issues delineated in your post, showed:
    "...African Americans are more likely to be denied authorization by their primary care physician, even after adjusting for severity of symptoms. The cause of this association is unclear, but raises substantial concerns about the equity with which gatekeeping is practiced.

  • The findings could represent a difference in severity of illness that was inadequately measured by a triage score.
  • The race differential could be due to racism on the part of the ED providers or primary care physicians.
  • Alternatively, the findings could represent unmeasured racial differences in communication patterns, relationships to doctors, or the quality of doctors."


This is not new (1990 was the first published report I'd seen as an adult), and the fact that some of our ethnicity are prone to internalize the disparagement/hostility of others so much so that these issues are new news to them, is indicative of how deeply down the rabbit hole they have fallen. ...it's not clear if they can ever get up out of there, or if they even want to do so!
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Juan Williams



Juan Williams is a Black CONSERVATIVE?

I guess it may be the case from where YOU stand.

To you Rep Barbara Lee is a moderate from the Berkeley area who is getting infected by the "Conservatives" who everyone else call moderate/left leaning.
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Constructive Feedback, it seems that you tried to make the point that some aspects of our lives places us in a higher risks category than other races--if that wasn't your point, then my apologies. If it was, I agree to a certain extent, but study after study has also shown that when all factors are controlled for, Blacks consistently get worse care than our counterparts. We are less likely to be given potentially life saving drugs, less likely to underg potentially life-saving surgeries/treatments, less likely to receive adequate aftercare following an operation...hell, we're even less likely to receive heavy painkillers for extreme pain! Remember, this is still the case even when controlling for isurance and ability to pay.



UN:

If study after study shows this then HOW DOES THIS EVIDENCE CHANGE YOUR STRATEGY?

If it is the case that RACIAL PREFERENCE for your own kind is paramount then IS IT LOGICAL for your end game to be to stop the people in power from doing this OR SHOULD IT BE to [/b]develop a system FOR YOUR OWN PEOPLE[/b] so that people who look like you are servicing people who look like you, insuring the quality level that you desire?

Is it logical to try to change the basic properities of kryptonite so it won't continue hurting you OR to move from within it's field of radition?
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Blacks maintained SOCIALLY conservative views during our advancement, not POLITICALLY conservative views.



The key distinction is OWNERSHIP AND POWER.

Those who have both SEEK TO PROTECT THEIR POSSESSION.

Those who don't have them seek to LIBERALIZE the rules and have more of these resources to flow their way.

When it comes to international aide and financing the liberalist American sounds very CONSERVATIVE.

When it comes to understanding the plight of the Mexican father to depart his family and come to the United States illegally in order to work and feed his family it seems that many of you are CONSERVATIVE since YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO LOSE.

But for the American father who is similarly unemployed and falls below AMERICAN STANDARD OF LIVING that you have bought into YOU WILL SEEK NATIONAL RESOURCES TO BE DIRECTED HIS WAY. These resources coming from a PROGRESSIVE TAX SYSTEM.

[b]How does your humanity end at the national border that was MAN MADE by European conquest?
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

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Blacks maintained SOCIALLY conservative views during our advancement, not POLITICALLY conservative views.



The key distinction is OWNERSHIP AND POWER.

Those who have both SEEK TO PROTECT THEIR POSSESSION.

Those who don't have them seek to LIBERALIZE the rules and have more of these resources to flow their way.


Too bad, CF, you don't understand that those in power and wealth got there in large part through illegal, immoral, and exploitive ways. They seek to "lock in" their immorally obtained lead in society and fear true and free competition with anyone.

And BTW - this has NOTHING to do with political and social conservatism.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

UN:

If study after study shows this then HOW DOES THIS EVIDENCE CHANGE YOUR STRATEGY?

If it is the case that RACIAL PREFERENCE for your own kind is paramount then IS IT LOGICAL for your end game to be to stop the people in power from doing this OR SHOULD IT BE to [/b]develop a system FOR YOUR OWN PEOPLE[/b] so that people who look like you are servicing people who look like you, insuring the quality level that you desire?


Constructive Feedback: thank you for ASSuming you know where I stand. If you have read any of my posts, you would know that I am for voluntary Black separatism and strengthening our own communities economically and politically through self-investment, not through asking the Democrats to through us a bone (or smiling when we perceive the conservatives do). Why do you criticise people who agree with you? At any rate, it doesn't change the fact that it is a f*cked up thing to do to deny a person adequate medical care due to a medical practitioner's reacial bias or prejudice. So in response to your question, I think that we should develop a "a system for [our] own people" yet ALSO stop those in power from doing this. Not everyone wants to live in an insular Black environment, which is fine. Those who chose to embrace multiculturalism shouldn't be hindered by poor health care. Can I take your silenc on the facts which I listend (with supporting evidence) to mean that you think it is ok for a dominate power to systematically provide inadquate services to a whole sector of society?
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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Blacks maintained SOCIALLY conservative views during our advancement, not POLITICALLY conservative views.



The key distinction is OWNERSHIP AND POWER.

Those who have both SEEK TO PROTECT THEIR POSSESSION.


When it comes to understanding the plight of the Mexican father to depart his family and come to the United States illegally in order to work and feed his family it seems that many of you are CONSERVATIVE since YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO LOSE.


OK, I will entertain this idea. Please explain how giving sufficient painkillers to some Black kid with a broken arm will threaten those in power? Please explain what benefit the American health system has in providing a lower level of medical care Blacks? I'm surprised you haven't argued the other way, b/c more healthy people equals less time lost on jobs, less time spent on unemployment or disability funds, and more productivity all around. That in turn equals more money flowing through the system. That's capatalism at it's finest, CF; are you really opposed to it? Are you *gasp* a...communist?! Wink
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....more likely Empty Purnata, ricardomath, and Kevin41 are full of it.....

..now this is punishment...

punishment for wrong and foolish actions truly deserved.

..now, I choose not to go this direction, and slim chance exists, where I will be punished for anything that I truly did.......

.....There is nothing that a Kevin41 can do that will ruin me, punish me, ruin my good reputation, etc., etc.


..haven't sustained any losses, be it financial, or otherwise, thus what you have classed as being punishment has been absolutely, positively, no denying it, no mistaking it,....truly painless to me.

Slim chance that a Kevin41, or otherwise can publish anything that sticks that will compromise, defame, and/or ruin my outstanding character!!!

I still hold my assets. I'm walking free. My conscience is clear. I have no criminal record. It has yet to be seen where such a publication will have Michael Lofton as being the subject of infamous activity.

I must admit, success has been good. This being said, keep on dreaming.....

.....Plus, neither a Kevin41, or otherwise have the lawful power and/or legal authority to send a Michael Lofton to any mental instituion.


Be it a Kevin41, Empty Purnata, art gurl, etc., your views, wishes, thoughts, etc., have little relevance, because unlike me, you are not a constituent of this area, thus your contentions are meaningless.

Reads very clear to me. Since clearly these individuals are not constituents of a South Central Los Angeles, Compton, etc., your input has little relevency to the situation, the situation being.....

...It is crystal clear to more than just a few individuals as to what point is being made here....

...the same or similar response, the response being.....

...........no need to. Illegal immigrant no good serving foreign interests at the expense of the citizens of Compton, South Central Los Angeles Congressman Merv Dymally is not worthy of the respect due an elected representative. The same can be said for no good in violation of the Los Angeles County Charter 2nd District Los Angeles County Supervisor Brentwood Burke, caught with his pants down while having lewd sex with a prostitute in a government owned vehicle California State Assemblyman Kevin Murray, no good serving her family at the expense of the taxpayer's Kerosene Waters, the Yellow Journal in the Los Angeles Sentinel that couldn't publish factual evidence about the truly law abiding if the information was given to them verbatim, etc., etc.

Respect is earned. Unlike a Kevin41, an Empty Purnata, etc., etc., who are not a part of this constituency,., I have the right to condemn, because:

A. I'm a law abiding, voting, and taxpaying constituent of the City of Los Angeles, the Los Angeles 2nd County District, and/or the State of California.

B. Elected officials are public servants sworn under oath to uphold the law.

C. These individuals have used false pretenses to hold elected office, and/or deception to derive financial gain at the expense of taxpayers.

D. They have each trashed or ignored legitimate petitions for redress from their constituency, which is the height of incompetence of the part of any elected official, which means they are not worthy of anything less than a derogatory adjective that precedes Congress person, Assemblyperson, County Supervisor, etc., etc. Basically known despots are not worthy of respect in any regard.

E. The Los Angeles Sentinel has yet to retract falsehoods, apologize, and/or set the record straight as it applies to publishing known falsehoods about members of the Black community.

Last but not least, again, I only give credit where it is due, to which none of these individuals are worthy of my respect. Respect must be earned.
This would be especially the case in the relationship between a public servant and his or her constituency!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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Too bad, CF, you don't understand that those in power and wealth got there in large part through illegal, immoral, and exploitive ways. They seek to "lock in" their immorally obtained lead in society and fear true and free competition with anyone.



Interesting.

So let me ask you MBM - you have some measure of wealth in your posession. A house, a car, computer equipment.

Can we conclude that you have gotten these things as well from skullduggery and thuggery but just is lesser portion than they did?

Did Michael Vic or Earl Graves, both of whom are millionaires receive their fortunes in the manner that you indicate?

You are throwing out some gross generalizations today man.
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:

He talks about people's mothers when he can't win an argument.


I guess YOU overlooked how Kevin called me a WHITE BOY?

I knew that THE JUDGES would look at that one post and note the dirt that I posted but overlook the other guy's offense. Take your thumb off of the scale.

If KEVIN wants to act like an adult WHO IS A POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR WITH A DOCTORATE I am more than willing to deal.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
I guess YOU overlooked how Kevin called me a WHITE BOY?


So has Nmaginate (he says it more often than Kevin).

You get called that because you are so apologetic and defensive of the White Establishment.


However, nothing that Kevin said justified your comment about his mother.

I thought you were such a "Christian" man? What happened to "turn the other cheek"? I see Neoconservatives like to throw religion around when it is beneficiary in propaganda, then disregard it when it is convenient.
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Originally posted by UppityNegress:]
you think it is ok for a dominate power to systematically provide inadquate services to a whole sector of society?



There have been plenty of studies done on racial disparities on medical treatment. SOME have shown that even Black practitioners provide a lower standard of care to Black patients.

In my view it has to do with the amount of insurance that is available to the individual based on the job that they work, the general standard of the medical facility itself (as compared to one in a more wealthy facility and YES plain ole racism.

Michael has documented the tale of shoddy medical care at MLK Hospital in Los Angeles (Killer King http://www.lavoice.org/article416.html)


I DO NOT SUPPORT a majority force having a different standard for a minority in applying medical care.

The fact is, however, that just like with public schools - people are inclined to focus on maintaining high standard for facilities that they are inclined to use - those in their community and expect others to do activisim for their own facilities. Those with money are going to be able to inject these funds at home.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

The fact is, however, that just like with public schools - people are inclined to focus on maintaining high standard for facilities that they are inclined to use - those in their community and expect others to do activisim for their own facilities.


It is that very self-interest that you describe above that is at the root of just about all of humanity's problems and evils.
nono

Either we learn to accept the fact that we're all in this together and that we live in a community of human beings all over the Earth, or, we will continue to exploit and pollute and harm each other to humanity's ultimate demise.

BTW - for all of you whp are motivated by scripture, what did the Bible say about "the least of these"? I guess Bush, conservatives, and capitalists missed Sunday school that lesson!
td6
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If KEVIN wants to act like an adult WHO IS A POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR WITH A DOCTORATE I am more than willing to deal.



* I'm not a politcal science professor dumbazz...I teach over 15 different courses in business admin, public admin and technology management.....can you read and comprehend? You tend to paint people with YOUR brush...you're not educated enough to do so.

And if you want to place the onus on me in terms of behaviors, act like my students in my masters and doctorate programs and answer questions factually and non-rhetorically, provide factual support to your statements and learn the concepts associated with policy analysis in terms of intent, working components and measurable outcomes and the concepts of intended and unintended consequences of political actions. You do not have the education or background to place an onus on me CF....I am waaay qualified to teach you a bunch of things before you can teach me schit.....if you do not believe, just show up at an interview of mine and try to compete. It is funny, you sound like those hypocritical church whites and blacks who do whatever in the fuck they want then hide behind the bible like some self-righteous motherfucker and cop a judgemental posture towards others....fuck you and that bullshit you are talking....and remember, checking an ignorant azz fool in a likewise manner does not dimminish my ability to perform academically. You cannot relate to everyone in an intelligent manner that is respectful...when I tried that with graduation rates and policy measurements as a way to determine EFFECTIVENESS I was given all kind of diversionary bullshit and a synopsis of what kinda negro I am.....that in itself does not respect my academic background or my efforts to provide research that respects the intelligence of others....and with that in mind, what am I supposed to do, be someone's fucking whipping boy...you'se niggas are crazy if you think you'll ever establish that type of arrangement with me........it ain't happening......you get what you give....so if you want me to sound like a professor....act like a grad student..you and your crazy homie both.......
"If KEVIN wants to act like an adult WHO IS A POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR WITH A DOCTORATE I am more than willing to deal." by CF

* I'm not a political science professor dumbazz...I teach over 15 different courses in business admin, public admin and technology management.....can you read and comprehend? You tend to paint people with YOUR brush...you're not educated enough to do so..

And if you want to place the onus on me in terms of behaviors, act like my students in my masters and doctorate programs and answer questions factually and non-rhetorically, provide factual support to your statements and learn the concepts associated with policy analysis in terms of intent, working components and measurable outcomes and the concepts of intended and unintended consequences of political actions. You do not have the education or background to place an onus on me CF....I am waaay qualified to teach you a bunch of things before you can teach me schit.....if you do not believe, just show up at an interview of mine and try to compete. It is funny, you sound like those hypocritical church whites and blacks who do whatever in the fuck they want then hide behind the bible like some self-righteous motherfucker and cop a judgemental posture towards others....fuck you and that bullshit you are talking....and remember, checking an ignorant azz fool in a likewise manner does not dimminish my ability to perform academically. You cannot relate to everyone in an intelligent manner that is respectful...when I tried that with graduation rates and policy measurements as a way to determine EFFECTIVENESS I was given all kind of diversionary bullshit and a synopsis of what kinda negro I am.....that in itself does not respect my academic background or my efforts to provide research that respects the intelligence of others....and with that in mind, what am I supposed to do, be someone's fucking whipping boy...you'se niggas are crazy if you think you'll ever establish that type of arrangement with me........it ain't happening......you get what you give....so if you want me to sound like a professor....act like a grad student..you and your crazy homie both...." by Kevin41
This is exactly what I am talking about....i'm supposed to be scholarly with you all...but you all get to say and do ignorant schit like re-post what I say again and again and not respond to the specifics of my posts......you negroes have lost your minds...but the kool part is.....you all will stoop to your own level of behavior but will not work to make the content of your posts more factual, less rhetorical and related to the previous post.......and that in itself is just a microcosm of the obvious hypocrisy that you call your lives.........
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Michael has documented the tale of shoddy medical care at MLK Hospital in Los Angeles (Killer King http://www.lavoice.org/article416.html)



**Yep, but dis he implicate the whites involved in many of those decisons? nope....and don't get me wrong, I don't excuse shit black people do wrong...I just do not let house niggs and racist inbreds present ANYTHING to me as a BLACK THING. Now when I brought this to Lofton's attention he gave homeboy a green light and continued to castigate the darkies....In addition, if his concern was just faulty services and incompetence, he would have brought forth the fuck-ups the white folks at UC Irvine had with the liver transplant program and other hospital operations issues....but did you hear about that from him or yourself....nope. You yourself have balked at many relative comparisons between blacks and whites on the basis of behaviors clustered around various socioeconomic levels, saying that you do not care about whites and you are only concerned about blacks. That is a gotdamn lie coming from your mouth and you know it. It is a favorite tactic of blkCONS and their white masters to promote negative black stereotypes and stigmas...relative comparisons take away the color component of the comparison and makes the reader adjust his mindset to accept the phenomenon as HUMAN or SOCIOECONOMIC behavior. These are the types of things you and lofty would be challenged on by me if we were in a formal classroom setting. I would have factual social research that qunatitatively supports my analysis of the material and therefore my position. I would also include the special apsects of the black social reality (discrimination, DWB, linguistic profiling, redlining etc.) also from factual data.....and place the onus on you and any other motherfucker who wants to rebut it to do so......so you want me to act like a professor? hey I teach online, would you like to simulate an MBA course (you or Lofty) with me as the instructor and factually challenge what I will present to you? Now i'm acting like a professor in the spirit of adherence to your request (open-minedness is the essence of being educated) so would you like to really respond to the questions in a manner that is representative of someone getting their MBA......just like the alternative policy to AA, I can remain open to suggestion and flexible with my thinking within the confines of reality....can you do the same CF or Lofty? I challenge you two to do so......now there it is..plain and simple...and out in the open air for all to see........
........more likely, it is our own Black community that is disgraceful.....

LA's Failing Black Hospital Shunned As "Killer King"
Posted on: 2004-12-07 16:57:42

Once a focus of black pride in South Central Los Angeles, the Martin Luther King, Jr./Drew Medical Center has, according to a devastating five-part expose in the Los Angeles Times, "a long history of harming, or even killing, those it was meant to serve." The Times series details one fatality after another due to misdiagnosis or other medical error at the black-run hospital; notes that K/D Medical Center is routinely ranked as one of the worst in the state and the nation; and observes that "Entire departments are riddled with incompetence, internal strife, and in some case, criminality." The problem isn't the hospital's funding, according to the Times, "but the way the money is squandered": on treatment costs per patient that exceed those of all other public hospitals in Los Angeles, on swollen salaries for its overpaid, underperforming physicians, on high expenditures for overtime pay and alleged on-the-job injuries for a staff in which loafing and absenteeism are rife, and on huge awards for malpractice. As the series notes, the hospital's largely black administration has routinely stonewalled patients' and physicians' complaints, while nearly every attempt to reform King/Drew by the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, which governs it, has been derailed "by community anger and accusations of racism." After over thirty years of African-American administration and operation, what began as the "embodiment of dreams for racial self-determination" is now known, according to the Times, to the blacks it was established to serve as "Killer King," its reputation so feared that patients are known to flee ambulances to avoid being delivered there and police reported to have a mutual understanding that wounded officers will be taken anywhere but King/Drew. That the situation at the hospital is critical has been known for some time (see "King/Drew Hospital...," TOH, Jan. 30, 2004); if and when King/Drew Medical Center flat-lines, the Los Angeles Times investigation makes clear, the last persons responsible will be white "racists."
See what I mean everyone? This guy is trying to pull on emotional heartstrings in others that are not even there. You all are too preoccupied with your own lives to let what anyone say in a message board have a bearing on you and negatively affect your mentality. Now I specifically outlined the relative comparisons and all I get is a hateful response that is supposed to elicit anger from me. Well, that is not going to happen. The other tactic Lofton employs, which someone else (EP, I think) says is childish and indicative of trying to have the last word.

Well, in the spirit of conveying concepts and principles associated with organizational and human behavior, there is a different motive Lofton is trying to fullfill that is very transparent to me but maybe stealthy to him. When I make a substantial post in an intelligent manner that will be impossible for him to rebut, he always posts an inflammatory message that does not address the particulars of what I posted and serves several purposes (in his feeble little mind only).

1. It is his attempt to have the last word as EP stated when describing childish behavior.

2. The infammatory nature of his posts is intended to distract from the content of the previous post that cannot rebut. Based on the hateful nature of his posts, an appropriate response would be emotional and inflammatory and therefore sucessfully take the discussion away from the points he cannot rebut or renders his statements moot.

3. In the spirit of blast emailing, his posts and long and distracting and by always being the last post in a thread, tends to hide the post of the person he intends to suppress, kinda like a get-it-lost-in-the-crowd-of-messages approach.


**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day.


**Maybe i'll start a user guide to help new progressive brothers and sisters see up front what they are dealing with when they engage with these cats...you know like a users manual.

**I could call it "Self-hating Negroes and BlkCONS for Dummies"...in the model of those self-help books already published, not calling the users themselves dummies........
I guess i'll just respond to him with numbers 1-3....my own version of the lazy man's response.....a brother has to always evolve in his thinking...because if not...other people with personal problems will dump them off on to you, change your mindest and M.O. and have your azz in a rut before you know it......
The emotions, anger, etc., etc.

on the part of the many victims are indeed justifiable.

Most any reasonable individual would side with the victims as opposed to the perpetrators....

the perpetrators in this instance by and large being other Black people.

....Hang them Danno!!!!!


......but Oh well, far to often that is the mark and/or legacy of our own disgraceful elected leadership, and/or that no good Black middleclass who choose to join in with, honor, and/or protect the perpetrators, even in instances where the perpetrators are Black people, and many times the victims are also Black people!

Which.......Oh Well.....

the only thing growing......must be true!!!!
3. In the spirit of blast emailing, his posts and long and distracting and by always being the last post in a thread, tends to hide the post of the person he intends to suppress, kinda like a get-it-lost-in-the-crowd-of-messages approach.


**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day.
"If KEVIN wants to act like an adult WHO IS A POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR WITH A DOCTORATE I am more than willing to deal." by CF

* I'm not a political science professor dumbazz...I teach over 15 different courses in business admin, public admin and technology management.....can you read and comprehend? You tend to paint people with YOUR brush...you're not educated enough to do so..

And if you want to place the onus on me in terms of behaviors, act like my students in my masters and doctorate programs and answer questions factually and non-rhetorically, provide factual support to your statements and learn the concepts associated with policy analysis in terms of intent, working components and measurable outcomes and the concepts of intended and unintended consequences of political actions. You do not have the education or background to place an onus on me CF....I am waaay qualified to teach you a bunch of things before you can teach me schit.....if you do not believe, just show up at an interview of mine and try to compete. It is funny, you sound like those hypocritical church whites and blacks who do whatever in the fuck they want then hide behind the bible like some self-righteous motherfucker and cop a judgemental posture towards others....fuck you and that bullshit you are talking....and remember, checking an ignorant azz fool in a likewise manner does not dimminish my ability to perform academically. You cannot relate to everyone in an intelligent manner that is respectful...when I tried that with graduation rates and policy measurements as a way to determine EFFECTIVENESS I was given all kind of diversionary bullshit and a synopsis of what kinda negro I am.....that in itself does not respect my academic background or my efforts to provide research that respects the intelligence of others....and with that in mind, what am I supposed to do, be someone's fucking whipping boy...you'se niggas are crazy if you think you'll ever establish that type of arrangement with me........it ain't happening......you get what you give....so if you want me to sound like a professor....act like a grad student..you and your crazy homie both...." by Kevin41
2. The infammatory nature of his posts is intended to distract from the content of the previous post that cannot rebut. Based on the hateful nature of his posts, an appropriate response would be emotional and inflammatory and therefore sucessfully take the discussion away from the points he cannot rebut or renders his statements moot.



**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day.
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin41:
This guy is trying to pull on emotional heartstrings ...


If that is what's being attempted it's not working.
"2. The infammatory nature of his posts is intended to distract from the content of the previous post that cannot rebut. Based on the hateful nature of his posts, an appropriate response would be emotional and inflammatory and therefore sucessfully take the discussion away from the points he cannot rebut or renders his statements moot.

**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day" by Kevin41

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speaking of inflammatory, or false information that is moot.....

"If KEVIN wants to act like an adult WHO IS A POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR WITH A DOCTORATE I am more than willing to deal." by CF

* I'm not a political science professor dumbazz...I teach over 15 different courses in business admin, public admin and technology management.....can you read and comprehend? You tend to paint people with YOUR brush...you're not educated enough to do so..

And if you want to place the onus on me in terms of behaviors, act like my students in my masters and doctorate programs and answer questions factually and non-rhetorically, provide factual support to your statements and learn the concepts associated with policy analysis in terms of intent, working components and measurable outcomes and the concepts of intended and unintended consequences of political actions. You do not have the education or background to place an onus on me CF....I am waaay qualified to teach you a bunch of things before you can teach me schit.....if you do not believe, just show up at an interview of mine and try to compete. It is funny, you sound like those hypocritical church whites and blacks who do whatever in the fuck they want then hide behind the bible like some self-righteous motherfucker and cop a judgemental posture towards others....fuck you and that bullshit you are talking....and remember, checking an ignorant azz fool in a likewise manner does not dimminish my ability to perform academically. You cannot relate to everyone in an intelligent manner that is respectful...when I tried that with graduation rates and policy measurements as a way to determine EFFECTIVENESS I was given all kind of diversionary bullshit and a synopsis of what kinda negro I am.....that in itself does not respect my academic background or my efforts to provide research that respects the intelligence of others....and with that in mind, what am I supposed to do, be someone's fucking whipping boy...you'se niggas are crazy if you think you'll ever establish that type of arrangement with me........it ain't happening......you get what you give....so if you want me to sound like a professor....act like a grad student..you and your crazy homie both...." by Kevin41

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