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Koppel & Brokaw:
Health care is a right

---------------------------------------------------------------------------Posted: January 5, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern



By Larry Elder



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© 2006 Laurence A. Elder

Ted Koppel, who formerly hosted "Nightline," and Tom Brokaw, who formerly hosted the "NBC Nightly News," recently sat down with NBC's Tim Russert on "Meet the Press."

(By way of background, Russert, the senior vice president and Washington, D.C., bureau chief for NBC News, once worked for New York Democratic Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan and New York Gov. Mario Cuomo. Meanwhile, across the dial, ABC promoted former Clinton aide George Stephanopolous of "This Week" to chief Washington correspondent at ABC News. But we digress.)


With Koppel and Brokaw's "retirement," one wonders whether they might be careless and reveal their liberal bias in favor of big government, high taxes and regulation. They didn't disappoint. Remember former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said, "Health care should be a right, not a privilege"? Koppel and Brokaw apparently agree.

Koppel: "... [W]e have been priding ourselves on having the best medical care in the world – and you know something? You can get the best medical care in the world, he can get the best medical care in the world, I can. Most Americans can't. And there are 43 million Americans who aren't getting any medical care at all. That is a scandal."

Note Koppel made no distinction between those without medical care and those without medical insurance.

Russert should have said, "I think you mean there are 43 million Americans without medical insurance. And even the term 'American' should be taken with a grain of salt. For, out of the 43 million, this includes approximately 10 million people here illegally. Furthermore, the 43 million includes a large number of young, healthy Americans who decided to keep the money otherwise spent on premiums. And of that 43 million, Ted, approximately 20 million go without health-care insurance for four months or less. So when you get down to it, the hard-core number of Americans without health-care insurance is probably 10 to 15 million Americans, and out of a population of nearly 280 million, do we really want to call this a crisis?"

Russert might have continued, "Furthermore, Ted, by law, any hospital that accepts government funds – including Medicare and Medicaid – must treat indigents in its emergency room. And don't forget about Medicaid, under which poor people get health care through taxpayers. To say nothing of free clinics found in virtually every city, no- or low-cost vaccination programs, and programs under which drug companies give free drugs to those who cannot afford it." But Russert said nothing.

Now, on to Mr. Brokaw.

Brokaw: "That [medical care] is getting attention at least, where people are trying to come to grips with that. And what was so stunning to me was that the Bush administration, after winning a very sizeable popular vote in the 2004 election, put as its highest priority the reform of Social Security and not health care in America, because I thought that's where most people were concerned."

I almost fell out of my chair.

Honestly, did Brokaw, following Bush's victory in 2004, expect the president to announce "Hillarycare" as his top priority!!??? Yeah, Kerry promised this, but the president promised to reform Social Security. Pardon Bush for attempting to fulfill a campaign promise. And pardon Bush for at least voicing Republican principles that our health-care system suffers from too much government interference, rather than too little.

One more word about the former "Nightline" host's "Meet the Press" interview: Remember, Koppel said, you have the best medical care, Tim, and you do, Tom, and I do, but most Americans don't. News flash for Mr. Koppel: Super-rich guys like you possess the power to get more, bigger, better, faster. That's why so many people aspire to wealth.

This goes to the huge issue of media bias and its influence on how people feel, think and vote. Two years ago, a UCLA political scientist named Tim Groseclose studied media bias. He certainly anticipated a leftward tilt, "because surveys have shown that reporters tend to vote more Democrat than Republican." But the magnitude of the leftward bias surprised even him. His co-author, Jeff Milyo, said, "There is a quantifiable and significant bias in that nearly all of them [major media outlets] lean to the left."


Brokaw and Koppel's attitudes explain the number of "news" pieces showing the allegedly excellent health-care coverage Europeans and Canadians receive. This explains why, for example, during televised discussions over health care, you rarely see a free-market talking head opposing price controls, pushing for less regulation and urging more private sector competition.

No, Koppel, Brokaw and Russert (by his silence), effectively say: Health care is a right; taxpayers are morally obligated to pay for it; and Bush turned his back on voters by not supporting Hillarycare.

But then, there's no such thing as media bias.

*Plantation defender for real....
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'Groids get theirs and cringe to see those who haven't, because it reminds them that they could be in that position at any time they fall out of favor with their handlers. As a result they bitch and moan constantly about those less fortunate because their very existence is a reminder of what could happen if...
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Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"



Kevin:

This is only trumped by your attempts to defend the PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRIBUTION OF EDUCATION.

Your defense has much more impact on the average Black kid than anything that Larry Elder has done.

It seems to me that you speak on behalf of teachers unions rather than BLACK KIDS.


There is little doubt in my mind that you and others seek to "DEFEND THE STATUS QUO WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AS YOU STRUGGLE TO GET AMERICA TO CHANGE".


*The Black Criminal - a victim of society (The little Klan boy who attacks Blacks? Punish him)

*School Performance - Need more money. You will never ask Black people to divert more of their discretionary spending into the investment of education

* Healty Lifestyles among Blacks? - Doctors don't provide the same level of care to us as they do to white folks


THE BIGGEST FEAR THAT YOU MUST HAVE IN YOUR MIND IS TO BE FORCED TO CREATE A SOCIETY BASED UPON YOUR THEORIES WITH NO EXTERAL HOST TO RECEIVE BENEFIT FROM

The sad part about it is that YOU promote yourself as BLACK POWER rather than BLACK DEPENENCY. Where did you go wrong man? What happened?
....now speaking of defending the status quo, more likely this fits our disgraceful elected representatives and/or an inept Black middleclass more so than any Black conservative....

"House Negroes can't back-up a prayer of a chance in any benefit as to AA benefitting a Michael Lofton because I only give credit where it is due....."

....now AA has done about as much or less for me.....

...as a no good Reverend Henry Lyons, and snake oil saleman Reverend Jesse Jackson, Brentwood Burke, Merv Dymally, Kerosene Waters, etc., etc.,, etc., etc., have been true vanguards in the interest of the Black community!



....AA has yet to benefit me, and again I only give credit where it is due....

...the same or similar response, the response being.....

...........no need to. Illegal immigrant no good serving foreign interests at the expense of the citizens of Compton, South Central Los Angeles Congressman Merv Dymally is not worthy of the respect due an elected representative. The same can be said for no good in violation of the Los Angeles County Charter 2nd District Los Angeles County Supervisor Brentwood Burke, caught with his pants down while having lewd sex with a prostitute in a government owned vehicle California State Assemblyman Kevin Murray, no good serving her family at the expense of the taxpayer's Kerosene Waters, the Yellow Journal in the Los Angeles Sentinel that couldn't publish factual evidence about the truly law abiding if the information was given to them verbatim, etc., etc.

Respect is earned. Unlike a Kevin41, an Empty Purnata, etc., etc., who are not a part of this constituency,., I have the right to condemn, because:

A. I'm a law abiding, voting, and taxpaying constituent of the City of Los Angeles, the Los Angeles 2nd County District, and/or the State of California.

B. Elected officials are public servants sworn under oath to uphold the law.

C. These individuals have used false pretenses to hold elected office, and/or deception to derive financial gain at the expense of taxpayers.

D. They have each trashed or ignored legitimate petitions for redress from their constituency, which is the height of incompetence of the part of any elected official, which means they are not worthy of anything less than a derogatory adjective that precedes Congress person, Assemblyperson, County Supervisor, etc., etc. Basically known despots are not worthy of respect in any regard.

E. The Los Angeles Sentinel has yet to retract falsehoods, apologize, and/or set the record straight as it applies to publishing known falsehoods about members of the Black community.

Last but not least, again, I only give credit where it is due, to which none of these individuals are worthy of my respect. Respect must be earned.
This would be especially the case in the relationship between a public servant and his or her constituency!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Originally posted by Isome:
'Groids get theirs and cringe to see those who haven't, because it reminds them that they could be in that position at any time they fall out of favor with their handlers. As a result they bitch and moan constantly about those less fortunate because their very existence is a reminder of what could happen if...


LOL!

Apparently for Condoleeza Rice, J.C. Watts, Armstrong Williams, Larry Elder, Ward Connerly, "Rev." Jesse Lee Peterson, Juan Williams and Clarence Thomas; Affirmative Action was just fine WHEN THEY BENEFITTED FROM IT.

Now that they have "made it" up the ladder, they want to kick it down so other Blacks can't use it. They want to be the only House Negroids in Massa's house. They can't have other Negroids stealing their spotlight!

Got-damn Kneegrows. They can't stand Affirmative Action because they claim it's "racist" against YT, but White Skin Hiring Privilege is a White-American prerogative in their eyes. "Massa deserves to be hired! Yes'suh! His people don' own aw 'de bin'ness, so he's can do what he wonts tuh! But niggras can't do that, no'suh! Massa said we'se all lazy and need to prove awe'selves, and I'se stand by's him 'cuz he pats me on 'de head and gives me 'de pig legs!" [Said with greasy, chicken-eating grin]

Got-damn Kneegroids. I have to say, Chris Rock's words ring true, "There's Black folks, and then there's niggers." And Blk-CONS are some damn niggers (and not "nigga", I mean "nigger", with an "er").
I'm curious, kevin41: what do you think of Afrimericans who were born in poverty yet mainatined their extreme conservative bias throughout the tough years? This isn't a question on whether or not you agree with their views. Despite what some people may believe not all superconservative Blacks did a 180 once they reached a certain level of prominence--some were ultra right-wing through it all and used that conservative ethos to get where they are.

As for the health care issue, it never ceases to amaze me that the USA is the only First World Industrial nation on this planet that doesn't have some form of socialised medicine. The lack of health care certain segments of our society must endure--or the shitty health care they receive (baring illegals and those who can afford to pay but don't want to) is appaling. Having been in that category once, I can personally atest to it.

Constructive Feedback, it seems that you tried to make the point that some aspects of our lives places us in a higher risks category than other races--if that wasn't your point, then my apologies. If it was, I agree to a certain extent, but study after study has also shown that when all factors are controlled for, Blacks consistently get worse care than our counterparts. We are less likely to be given potentially life saving drugs, less likely to underg potentially life-saving surgeries/treatments, less likely to receive adequate aftercare following an operation...hell, we're even less likely to receive heavy painkillers for extreme pain! Remember, this is still the case even when controlling for isurance and ability to pay.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0DXK/is_18_20/ai_110619175#continue
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African Americans and Hispanics are more likely to experience pain, but less likely to be treated for it, even when they are in a doctor's care. Black folks in nursing homes are 64 percent more likely to do without pain medication than their White counterparts. Hispanics with broken arms or legs were twice as likely as Whites to go without pain medication. Part of the problem is that health care professionals see some patients through a stereotypical lens that colors (pardon the pun) their diagnosis and treatment.

Even when researchers controlled for income, language skills and insurance status, African Americans and other racial and ethnic minorities were under treated for pain across a range of conditions, from cancer and chest pain to post-surgical and lower back pain. Additionally, access to pain care and pain medication varied by race, with pharmacies in the 'hood far less likely to carry narcotic pain medicines.
CF...you're not that big on comprehension so what something SEEMS like to you is always questionable...once you get the things under your belt that I have done....you MIGHT be in the position to offer scrutiny...but you're in the stage of your life where you are trying to figure out your own existence, let along help others....

I am a product of public schools in Texas and there are many black kids who perform at a level higher than the whites or asians you covet...just like how whites were bussed to black schools from all white schools.....but you could never fathom that shit in your self-loathing azz skull...see where I come from white people are just people...in your mind they are something to aspire upwards to.......go back and look at Stanford 9 results and grades for black kids in Texas and how many schools have been turned around due to the accountability and types of teachers there. They are still on an upswing going all the way back to the 90's....remember the article that stated how Texas could be a blueprint for the nation in terms of accountabilty and postive measurable results? Go read about public school reform where I come from and see how a private or voucher school does not mean shit. there are all-black magnet schools for engineering and medical professions that would run circles around that bullschit you are promoting.
I'm not here to educate you CF...you are an adversary and you need to do your own gotdamn homework. Start placing facts and direct quotes in here when you speak on behalf of others.......you come across as a little ignorant pussy azzn fuck when you play that strawman game and assign YOUR mindset to others as if they think the dumb shit you say....go spend your life devoting your time and money to the improvement of black people...and your actions will supercede anything detrimental I am supposedly doing or saying to black people okay? and if you think a nigga like yourself or larry coon elder who spends their time telling black people that they are not shit and are dumb, criminal and are the reason for all the conditions they face has more of a positive effect than me educating black people and arming them to suceed in life....then you are the dumbest motherfucker that came from a woman's insides...you really are...your daily uncle tom game has played out and you are just grasping at straws to save face...learn how to sit up like an adult and answer a fucking question specfically before you offer your off-base azz thoughts on what somewhat else thinks.....there is a lot about you that is remedial CF and you need to fix your own inherent flaws before you try to cop a judgemental posture with others....your crazy azz homie with the issues from his warped azz past needs to do the same....it is something you negroes are trying to compensate for in your own lives but it is not working....it is very very obvious and you or him are not masking shit effectively..........also, you have not been through enough development to be my spokesperson.....you have a long way to go lil fella.....a long azz way........
Uppity Negress,

Blacks maintained SOCIALLY conservative views during our advancement, not POLITICALLY conservative views. One has to do with family marriage, religion and morality which we are all for. The other relates to politics and policies such as repeals on AA that has always worked adversely against blacks...and if you ever look at what the black majority believes in, the political conservatives are diametrically opposed to it 100% of the time. That tells me that one of two things are apparent....either they are racist as hell and are opposed to any advancement on the part of blacks that helps to establish equality or we are too damn stupid to think in our own self-interest and they are just trying to save our dumb azzes from ourselves....go figure........
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Uppity Negress,

Blacks maintained SOCIALLY conservative views during our advancement, not POLITICALLY conservative views. One has to do with family marriage, religion and morality which we are all for. The other relates to politics and policies such as repeals on AA that has always worked adversely against blacks...and if you ever look at what the black majority believes in, the political conservatives are diametrically opposed to it 100% of the time.


OK, I see the how you distinguish the two, although there does seem to be a bit of gray area. For example, is being anti-homosexual a social or poltical issues? It seems social, IMO, but if the last wave of election count for anything, the right sure played it like a political issue.

You say that political conservatives are diametrically opossed to the Black majority. The only issues I can think of now are AA and death penalty reform. What are the others?
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Originally posted by UppityNegress:
...study after study has also shown that when all factors are controlled for, Blacks consistently get worse care than our counterparts. We are less likely to be given potentially life saving drugs, less likely to underg potentially life-saving surgeries/treatments, less likely to receive adequate aftercare ...Remember, this is still the case even when controlling for isurance and ability to pay.


A couple years back I was discussing an AMA report that, in addition to the issues delineated in your post, showed:
    "...African Americans are more likely to be denied authorization by their primary care physician, even after adjusting for severity of symptoms. The cause of this association is unclear, but raises substantial concerns about the equity with which gatekeeping is practiced.

  • The findings could represent a difference in severity of illness that was inadequately measured by a triage score.
  • The race differential could be due to racism on the part of the ED providers or primary care physicians.
  • Alternatively, the findings could represent unmeasured racial differences in communication patterns, relationships to doctors, or the quality of doctors."


This is not new (1990 was the first published report I'd seen as an adult), and the fact that some of our ethnicity are prone to internalize the disparagement/hostility of others so much so that these issues are new news to them, is indicative of how deeply down the rabbit hole they have fallen. ...it's not clear if they can ever get up out of there, or if they even want to do so!
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Juan Williams



Juan Williams is a Black CONSERVATIVE?

I guess it may be the case from where YOU stand.

To you Rep Barbara Lee is a moderate from the Berkeley area who is getting infected by the "Conservatives" who everyone else call moderate/left leaning.
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Constructive Feedback, it seems that you tried to make the point that some aspects of our lives places us in a higher risks category than other races--if that wasn't your point, then my apologies. If it was, I agree to a certain extent, but study after study has also shown that when all factors are controlled for, Blacks consistently get worse care than our counterparts. We are less likely to be given potentially life saving drugs, less likely to underg potentially life-saving surgeries/treatments, less likely to receive adequate aftercare following an operation...hell, we're even less likely to receive heavy painkillers for extreme pain! Remember, this is still the case even when controlling for isurance and ability to pay.



UN:

If study after study shows this then HOW DOES THIS EVIDENCE CHANGE YOUR STRATEGY?

If it is the case that RACIAL PREFERENCE for your own kind is paramount then IS IT LOGICAL for your end game to be to stop the people in power from doing this OR SHOULD IT BE to [/b]develop a system FOR YOUR OWN PEOPLE[/b] so that people who look like you are servicing people who look like you, insuring the quality level that you desire?

Is it logical to try to change the basic properities of kryptonite so it won't continue hurting you OR to move from within it's field of radition?
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Blacks maintained SOCIALLY conservative views during our advancement, not POLITICALLY conservative views.



The key distinction is OWNERSHIP AND POWER.

Those who have both SEEK TO PROTECT THEIR POSSESSION.

Those who don't have them seek to LIBERALIZE the rules and have more of these resources to flow their way.

When it comes to international aide and financing the liberalist American sounds very CONSERVATIVE.

When it comes to understanding the plight of the Mexican father to depart his family and come to the United States illegally in order to work and feed his family it seems that many of you are CONSERVATIVE since YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO LOSE.

But for the American father who is similarly unemployed and falls below AMERICAN STANDARD OF LIVING that you have bought into YOU WILL SEEK NATIONAL RESOURCES TO BE DIRECTED HIS WAY. These resources coming from a PROGRESSIVE TAX SYSTEM.

[b]How does your humanity end at the national border that was MAN MADE by European conquest?
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

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Blacks maintained SOCIALLY conservative views during our advancement, not POLITICALLY conservative views.



The key distinction is OWNERSHIP AND POWER.

Those who have both SEEK TO PROTECT THEIR POSSESSION.

Those who don't have them seek to LIBERALIZE the rules and have more of these resources to flow their way.


Too bad, CF, you don't understand that those in power and wealth got there in large part through illegal, immoral, and exploitive ways. They seek to "lock in" their immorally obtained lead in society and fear true and free competition with anyone.

And BTW - this has NOTHING to do with political and social conservatism.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

UN:

If study after study shows this then HOW DOES THIS EVIDENCE CHANGE YOUR STRATEGY?

If it is the case that RACIAL PREFERENCE for your own kind is paramount then IS IT LOGICAL for your end game to be to stop the people in power from doing this OR SHOULD IT BE to [/b]develop a system FOR YOUR OWN PEOPLE[/b] so that people who look like you are servicing people who look like you, insuring the quality level that you desire?


Constructive Feedback: thank you for ASSuming you know where I stand. If you have read any of my posts, you would know that I am for voluntary Black separatism and strengthening our own communities economically and politically through self-investment, not through asking the Democrats to through us a bone (or smiling when we perceive the conservatives do). Why do you criticise people who agree with you? At any rate, it doesn't change the fact that it is a f*cked up thing to do to deny a person adequate medical care due to a medical practitioner's reacial bias or prejudice. So in response to your question, I think that we should develop a "a system for [our] own people" yet ALSO stop those in power from doing this. Not everyone wants to live in an insular Black environment, which is fine. Those who chose to embrace multiculturalism shouldn't be hindered by poor health care. Can I take your silenc on the facts which I listend (with supporting evidence) to mean that you think it is ok for a dominate power to systematically provide inadquate services to a whole sector of society?
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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Blacks maintained SOCIALLY conservative views during our advancement, not POLITICALLY conservative views.



The key distinction is OWNERSHIP AND POWER.

Those who have both SEEK TO PROTECT THEIR POSSESSION.


When it comes to understanding the plight of the Mexican father to depart his family and come to the United States illegally in order to work and feed his family it seems that many of you are CONSERVATIVE since YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO LOSE.


OK, I will entertain this idea. Please explain how giving sufficient painkillers to some Black kid with a broken arm will threaten those in power? Please explain what benefit the American health system has in providing a lower level of medical care Blacks? I'm surprised you haven't argued the other way, b/c more healthy people equals less time lost on jobs, less time spent on unemployment or disability funds, and more productivity all around. That in turn equals more money flowing through the system. That's capatalism at it's finest, CF; are you really opposed to it? Are you *gasp* a...communist?! Wink
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