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Koppel & Brokaw:
Health care is a right

---------------------------------------------------------------------------Posted: January 5, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern



By Larry Elder



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© 2006 Laurence A. Elder

Ted Koppel, who formerly hosted "Nightline," and Tom Brokaw, who formerly hosted the "NBC Nightly News," recently sat down with NBC's Tim Russert on "Meet the Press."

(By way of background, Russert, the senior vice president and Washington, D.C., bureau chief for NBC News, once worked for New York Democratic Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan and New York Gov. Mario Cuomo. Meanwhile, across the dial, ABC promoted former Clinton aide George Stephanopolous of "This Week" to chief Washington correspondent at ABC News. But we digress.)


With Koppel and Brokaw's "retirement," one wonders whether they might be careless and reveal their liberal bias in favor of big government, high taxes and regulation. They didn't disappoint. Remember former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said, "Health care should be a right, not a privilege"? Koppel and Brokaw apparently agree.

Koppel: "... [W]e have been priding ourselves on having the best medical care in the world – and you know something? You can get the best medical care in the world, he can get the best medical care in the world, I can. Most Americans can't. And there are 43 million Americans who aren't getting any medical care at all. That is a scandal."

Note Koppel made no distinction between those without medical care and those without medical insurance.

Russert should have said, "I think you mean there are 43 million Americans without medical insurance. And even the term 'American' should be taken with a grain of salt. For, out of the 43 million, this includes approximately 10 million people here illegally. Furthermore, the 43 million includes a large number of young, healthy Americans who decided to keep the money otherwise spent on premiums. And of that 43 million, Ted, approximately 20 million go without health-care insurance for four months or less. So when you get down to it, the hard-core number of Americans without health-care insurance is probably 10 to 15 million Americans, and out of a population of nearly 280 million, do we really want to call this a crisis?"

Russert might have continued, "Furthermore, Ted, by law, any hospital that accepts government funds – including Medicare and Medicaid – must treat indigents in its emergency room. And don't forget about Medicaid, under which poor people get health care through taxpayers. To say nothing of free clinics found in virtually every city, no- or low-cost vaccination programs, and programs under which drug companies give free drugs to those who cannot afford it." But Russert said nothing.

Now, on to Mr. Brokaw.

Brokaw: "That [medical care] is getting attention at least, where people are trying to come to grips with that. And what was so stunning to me was that the Bush administration, after winning a very sizeable popular vote in the 2004 election, put as its highest priority the reform of Social Security and not health care in America, because I thought that's where most people were concerned."

I almost fell out of my chair.

Honestly, did Brokaw, following Bush's victory in 2004, expect the president to announce "Hillarycare" as his top priority!!??? Yeah, Kerry promised this, but the president promised to reform Social Security. Pardon Bush for attempting to fulfill a campaign promise. And pardon Bush for at least voicing Republican principles that our health-care system suffers from too much government interference, rather than too little.

One more word about the former "Nightline" host's "Meet the Press" interview: Remember, Koppel said, you have the best medical care, Tim, and you do, Tom, and I do, but most Americans don't. News flash for Mr. Koppel: Super-rich guys like you possess the power to get more, bigger, better, faster. That's why so many people aspire to wealth.

This goes to the huge issue of media bias and its influence on how people feel, think and vote. Two years ago, a UCLA political scientist named Tim Groseclose studied media bias. He certainly anticipated a leftward tilt, "because surveys have shown that reporters tend to vote more Democrat than Republican." But the magnitude of the leftward bias surprised even him. His co-author, Jeff Milyo, said, "There is a quantifiable and significant bias in that nearly all of them [major media outlets] lean to the left."


Brokaw and Koppel's attitudes explain the number of "news" pieces showing the allegedly excellent health-care coverage Europeans and Canadians receive. This explains why, for example, during televised discussions over health care, you rarely see a free-market talking head opposing price controls, pushing for less regulation and urging more private sector competition.

No, Koppel, Brokaw and Russert (by his silence), effectively say: Health care is a right; taxpayers are morally obligated to pay for it; and Bush turned his back on voters by not supporting Hillarycare.

But then, there's no such thing as media bias.

*Plantation defender for real....
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'Groids get theirs and cringe to see those who haven't, because it reminds them that they could be in that position at any time they fall out of favor with their handlers. As a result they bitch and moan constantly about those less fortunate because their very existence is a reminder of what could happen if...
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Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs"



Kevin:

This is only trumped by your attempts to defend the PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRIBUTION OF EDUCATION.

Your defense has much more impact on the average Black kid than anything that Larry Elder has done.

It seems to me that you speak on behalf of teachers unions rather than BLACK KIDS.


There is little doubt in my mind that you and others seek to "DEFEND THE STATUS QUO WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AS YOU STRUGGLE TO GET AMERICA TO CHANGE".


*The Black Criminal - a victim of society (The little Klan boy who attacks Blacks? Punish him)

*School Performance - Need more money. You will never ask Black people to divert more of their discretionary spending into the investment of education

* Healty Lifestyles among Blacks? - Doctors don't provide the same level of care to us as they do to white folks


THE BIGGEST FEAR THAT YOU MUST HAVE IN YOUR MIND IS TO BE FORCED TO CREATE A SOCIETY BASED UPON YOUR THEORIES WITH NO EXTERAL HOST TO RECEIVE BENEFIT FROM

The sad part about it is that YOU promote yourself as BLACK POWER rather than BLACK DEPENENCY. Where did you go wrong man? What happened?
....now speaking of defending the status quo, more likely this fits our disgraceful elected representatives and/or an inept Black middleclass more so than any Black conservative....

"House Negroes can't back-up a prayer of a chance in any benefit as to AA benefitting a Michael Lofton because I only give credit where it is due....."

....now AA has done about as much or less for me.....

...as a no good Reverend Henry Lyons, and snake oil saleman Reverend Jesse Jackson, Brentwood Burke, Merv Dymally, Kerosene Waters, etc., etc.,, etc., etc., have been true vanguards in the interest of the Black community!



....AA has yet to benefit me, and again I only give credit where it is due....

...the same or similar response, the response being.....

...........no need to. Illegal immigrant no good serving foreign interests at the expense of the citizens of Compton, South Central Los Angeles Congressman Merv Dymally is not worthy of the respect due an elected representative. The same can be said for no good in violation of the Los Angeles County Charter 2nd District Los Angeles County Supervisor Brentwood Burke, caught with his pants down while having lewd sex with a prostitute in a government owned vehicle California State Assemblyman Kevin Murray, no good serving her family at the expense of the taxpayer's Kerosene Waters, the Yellow Journal in the Los Angeles Sentinel that couldn't publish factual evidence about the truly law abiding if the information was given to them verbatim, etc., etc.

Respect is earned. Unlike a Kevin41, an Empty Purnata, etc., etc., who are not a part of this constituency,., I have the right to condemn, because:

A. I'm a law abiding, voting, and taxpaying constituent of the City of Los Angeles, the Los Angeles 2nd County District, and/or the State of California.

B. Elected officials are public servants sworn under oath to uphold the law.

C. These individuals have used false pretenses to hold elected office, and/or deception to derive financial gain at the expense of taxpayers.

D. They have each trashed or ignored legitimate petitions for redress from their constituency, which is the height of incompetence of the part of any elected official, which means they are not worthy of anything less than a derogatory adjective that precedes Congress person, Assemblyperson, County Supervisor, etc., etc. Basically known despots are not worthy of respect in any regard.

E. The Los Angeles Sentinel has yet to retract falsehoods, apologize, and/or set the record straight as it applies to publishing known falsehoods about members of the Black community.

Last but not least, again, I only give credit where it is due, to which none of these individuals are worthy of my respect. Respect must be earned.
This would be especially the case in the relationship between a public servant and his or her constituency!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Originally posted by Isome:
'Groids get theirs and cringe to see those who haven't, because it reminds them that they could be in that position at any time they fall out of favor with their handlers. As a result they bitch and moan constantly about those less fortunate because their very existence is a reminder of what could happen if...


LOL!

Apparently for Condoleeza Rice, J.C. Watts, Armstrong Williams, Larry Elder, Ward Connerly, "Rev." Jesse Lee Peterson, Juan Williams and Clarence Thomas; Affirmative Action was just fine WHEN THEY BENEFITTED FROM IT.

Now that they have "made it" up the ladder, they want to kick it down so other Blacks can't use it. They want to be the only House Negroids in Massa's house. They can't have other Negroids stealing their spotlight!

Got-damn Kneegrows. They can't stand Affirmative Action because they claim it's "racist" against YT, but White Skin Hiring Privilege is a White-American prerogative in their eyes. "Massa deserves to be hired! Yes'suh! His people don' own aw 'de bin'ness, so he's can do what he wonts tuh! But niggras can't do that, no'suh! Massa said we'se all lazy and need to prove awe'selves, and I'se stand by's him 'cuz he pats me on 'de head and gives me 'de pig legs!" [Said with greasy, chicken-eating grin]

Got-damn Kneegroids. I have to say, Chris Rock's words ring true, "There's Black folks, and then there's niggers." And Blk-CONS are some damn niggers (and not "nigga", I mean "nigger", with an "er").
I'm curious, kevin41: what do you think of Afrimericans who were born in poverty yet mainatined their extreme conservative bias throughout the tough years? This isn't a question on whether or not you agree with their views. Despite what some people may believe not all superconservative Blacks did a 180 once they reached a certain level of prominence--some were ultra right-wing through it all and used that conservative ethos to get where they are.

As for the health care issue, it never ceases to amaze me that the USA is the only First World Industrial nation on this planet that doesn't have some form of socialised medicine. The lack of health care certain segments of our society must endure--or the shitty health care they receive (baring illegals and those who can afford to pay but don't want to) is appaling. Having been in that category once, I can personally atest to it.

Constructive Feedback, it seems that you tried to make the point that some aspects of our lives places us in a higher risks category than other races--if that wasn't your point, then my apologies. If it was, I agree to a certain extent, but study after study has also shown that when all factors are controlled for, Blacks consistently get worse care than our counterparts. We are less likely to be given potentially life saving drugs, less likely to underg potentially life-saving surgeries/treatments, less likely to receive adequate aftercare following an operation...hell, we're even less likely to receive heavy painkillers for extreme pain! Remember, this is still the case even when controlling for isurance and ability to pay.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0DXK/is_18_20/ai_110619175#continue
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African Americans and Hispanics are more likely to experience pain, but less likely to be treated for it, even when they are in a doctor's care. Black folks in nursing homes are 64 percent more likely to do without pain medication than their White counterparts. Hispanics with broken arms or legs were twice as likely as Whites to go without pain medication. Part of the problem is that health care professionals see some patients through a stereotypical lens that colors (pardon the pun) their diagnosis and treatment.

Even when researchers controlled for income, language skills and insurance status, African Americans and other racial and ethnic minorities were under treated for pain across a range of conditions, from cancer and chest pain to post-surgical and lower back pain. Additionally, access to pain care and pain medication varied by race, with pharmacies in the 'hood far less likely to carry narcotic pain medicines.
CF...you're not that big on comprehension so what something SEEMS like to you is always questionable...once you get the things under your belt that I have done....you MIGHT be in the position to offer scrutiny...but you're in the stage of your life where you are trying to figure out your own existence, let along help others....

I am a product of public schools in Texas and there are many black kids who perform at a level higher than the whites or asians you covet...just like how whites were bussed to black schools from all white schools.....but you could never fathom that shit in your self-loathing azz skull...see where I come from white people are just people...in your mind they are something to aspire upwards to.......go back and look at Stanford 9 results and grades for black kids in Texas and how many schools have been turned around due to the accountability and types of teachers there. They are still on an upswing going all the way back to the 90's....remember the article that stated how Texas could be a blueprint for the nation in terms of accountabilty and postive measurable results? Go read about public school reform where I come from and see how a private or voucher school does not mean shit. there are all-black magnet schools for engineering and medical professions that would run circles around that bullschit you are promoting.
I'm not here to educate you CF...you are an adversary and you need to do your own gotdamn homework. Start placing facts and direct quotes in here when you speak on behalf of others.......you come across as a little ignorant pussy azzn fuck when you play that strawman game and assign YOUR mindset to others as if they think the dumb shit you say....go spend your life devoting your time and money to the improvement of black people...and your actions will supercede anything detrimental I am supposedly doing or saying to black people okay? and if you think a nigga like yourself or larry coon elder who spends their time telling black people that they are not shit and are dumb, criminal and are the reason for all the conditions they face has more of a positive effect than me educating black people and arming them to suceed in life....then you are the dumbest motherfucker that came from a woman's insides...you really are...your daily uncle tom game has played out and you are just grasping at straws to save face...learn how to sit up like an adult and answer a fucking question specfically before you offer your off-base azz thoughts on what somewhat else thinks.....there is a lot about you that is remedial CF and you need to fix your own inherent flaws before you try to cop a judgemental posture with others....your crazy azz homie with the issues from his warped azz past needs to do the same....it is something you negroes are trying to compensate for in your own lives but it is not working....it is very very obvious and you or him are not masking shit effectively..........also, you have not been through enough development to be my spokesperson.....you have a long way to go lil fella.....a long azz way........
Uppity Negress,

Blacks maintained SOCIALLY conservative views during our advancement, not POLITICALLY conservative views. One has to do with family marriage, religion and morality which we are all for. The other relates to politics and policies such as repeals on AA that has always worked adversely against blacks...and if you ever look at what the black majority believes in, the political conservatives are diametrically opposed to it 100% of the time. That tells me that one of two things are apparent....either they are racist as hell and are opposed to any advancement on the part of blacks that helps to establish equality or we are too damn stupid to think in our own self-interest and they are just trying to save our dumb azzes from ourselves....go figure........
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
Uppity Negress,

Blacks maintained SOCIALLY conservative views during our advancement, not POLITICALLY conservative views. One has to do with family marriage, religion and morality which we are all for. The other relates to politics and policies such as repeals on AA that has always worked adversely against blacks...and if you ever look at what the black majority believes in, the political conservatives are diametrically opposed to it 100% of the time.


OK, I see the how you distinguish the two, although there does seem to be a bit of gray area. For example, is being anti-homosexual a social or poltical issues? It seems social, IMO, but if the last wave of election count for anything, the right sure played it like a political issue.

You say that political conservatives are diametrically opossed to the Black majority. The only issues I can think of now are AA and death penalty reform. What are the others?
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Originally posted by UppityNegress:
...study after study has also shown that when all factors are controlled for, Blacks consistently get worse care than our counterparts. We are less likely to be given potentially life saving drugs, less likely to underg potentially life-saving surgeries/treatments, less likely to receive adequate aftercare ...Remember, this is still the case even when controlling for isurance and ability to pay.


A couple years back I was discussing an AMA report that, in addition to the issues delineated in your post, showed:
    "...African Americans are more likely to be denied authorization by their primary care physician, even after adjusting for severity of symptoms. The cause of this association is unclear, but raises substantial concerns about the equity with which gatekeeping is practiced.

  • The findings could represent a difference in severity of illness that was inadequately measured by a triage score.
  • The race differential could be due to racism on the part of the ED providers or primary care physicians.
  • Alternatively, the findings could represent unmeasured racial differences in communication patterns, relationships to doctors, or the quality of doctors."


This is not new (1990 was the first published report I'd seen as an adult), and the fact that some of our ethnicity are prone to internalize the disparagement/hostility of others so much so that these issues are new news to them, is indicative of how deeply down the rabbit hole they have fallen. ...it's not clear if they can ever get up out of there, or if they even want to do so!
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Juan Williams



Juan Williams is a Black CONSERVATIVE?

I guess it may be the case from where YOU stand.

To you Rep Barbara Lee is a moderate from the Berkeley area who is getting infected by the "Conservatives" who everyone else call moderate/left leaning.
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Constructive Feedback, it seems that you tried to make the point that some aspects of our lives places us in a higher risks category than other races--if that wasn't your point, then my apologies. If it was, I agree to a certain extent, but study after study has also shown that when all factors are controlled for, Blacks consistently get worse care than our counterparts. We are less likely to be given potentially life saving drugs, less likely to underg potentially life-saving surgeries/treatments, less likely to receive adequate aftercare following an operation...hell, we're even less likely to receive heavy painkillers for extreme pain! Remember, this is still the case even when controlling for isurance and ability to pay.



UN:

If study after study shows this then HOW DOES THIS EVIDENCE CHANGE YOUR STRATEGY?

If it is the case that RACIAL PREFERENCE for your own kind is paramount then IS IT LOGICAL for your end game to be to stop the people in power from doing this OR SHOULD IT BE to [/b]develop a system FOR YOUR OWN PEOPLE[/b] so that people who look like you are servicing people who look like you, insuring the quality level that you desire?

Is it logical to try to change the basic properities of kryptonite so it won't continue hurting you OR to move from within it's field of radition?
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Blacks maintained SOCIALLY conservative views during our advancement, not POLITICALLY conservative views.



The key distinction is OWNERSHIP AND POWER.

Those who have both SEEK TO PROTECT THEIR POSSESSION.

Those who don't have them seek to LIBERALIZE the rules and have more of these resources to flow their way.

When it comes to international aide and financing the liberalist American sounds very CONSERVATIVE.

When it comes to understanding the plight of the Mexican father to depart his family and come to the United States illegally in order to work and feed his family it seems that many of you are CONSERVATIVE since YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO LOSE.

But for the American father who is similarly unemployed and falls below AMERICAN STANDARD OF LIVING that you have bought into YOU WILL SEEK NATIONAL RESOURCES TO BE DIRECTED HIS WAY. These resources coming from a PROGRESSIVE TAX SYSTEM.

[b]How does your humanity end at the national border that was MAN MADE by European conquest?
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

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Blacks maintained SOCIALLY conservative views during our advancement, not POLITICALLY conservative views.



The key distinction is OWNERSHIP AND POWER.

Those who have both SEEK TO PROTECT THEIR POSSESSION.

Those who don't have them seek to LIBERALIZE the rules and have more of these resources to flow their way.


Too bad, CF, you don't understand that those in power and wealth got there in large part through illegal, immoral, and exploitive ways. They seek to "lock in" their immorally obtained lead in society and fear true and free competition with anyone.

And BTW - this has NOTHING to do with political and social conservatism.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

UN:

If study after study shows this then HOW DOES THIS EVIDENCE CHANGE YOUR STRATEGY?

If it is the case that RACIAL PREFERENCE for your own kind is paramount then IS IT LOGICAL for your end game to be to stop the people in power from doing this OR SHOULD IT BE to [/b]develop a system FOR YOUR OWN PEOPLE[/b] so that people who look like you are servicing people who look like you, insuring the quality level that you desire?


Constructive Feedback: thank you for ASSuming you know where I stand. If you have read any of my posts, you would know that I am for voluntary Black separatism and strengthening our own communities economically and politically through self-investment, not through asking the Democrats to through us a bone (or smiling when we perceive the conservatives do). Why do you criticise people who agree with you? At any rate, it doesn't change the fact that it is a f*cked up thing to do to deny a person adequate medical care due to a medical practitioner's reacial bias or prejudice. So in response to your question, I think that we should develop a "a system for [our] own people" yet ALSO stop those in power from doing this. Not everyone wants to live in an insular Black environment, which is fine. Those who chose to embrace multiculturalism shouldn't be hindered by poor health care. Can I take your silenc on the facts which I listend (with supporting evidence) to mean that you think it is ok for a dominate power to systematically provide inadquate services to a whole sector of society?
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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Blacks maintained SOCIALLY conservative views during our advancement, not POLITICALLY conservative views.



The key distinction is OWNERSHIP AND POWER.

Those who have both SEEK TO PROTECT THEIR POSSESSION.


When it comes to understanding the plight of the Mexican father to depart his family and come to the United States illegally in order to work and feed his family it seems that many of you are CONSERVATIVE since YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO LOSE.


OK, I will entertain this idea. Please explain how giving sufficient painkillers to some Black kid with a broken arm will threaten those in power? Please explain what benefit the American health system has in providing a lower level of medical care Blacks? I'm surprised you haven't argued the other way, b/c more healthy people equals less time lost on jobs, less time spent on unemployment or disability funds, and more productivity all around. That in turn equals more money flowing through the system. That's capatalism at it's finest, CF; are you really opposed to it? Are you *gasp* a...communist?! Wink
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....more likely Empty Purnata, ricardomath, and Kevin41 are full of it.....

..now this is punishment...

punishment for wrong and foolish actions truly deserved.

..now, I choose not to go this direction, and slim chance exists, where I will be punished for anything that I truly did.......

.....There is nothing that a Kevin41 can do that will ruin me, punish me, ruin my good reputation, etc., etc.


..haven't sustained any losses, be it financial, or otherwise, thus what you have classed as being punishment has been absolutely, positively, no denying it, no mistaking it,....truly painless to me.

Slim chance that a Kevin41, or otherwise can publish anything that sticks that will compromise, defame, and/or ruin my outstanding character!!!

I still hold my assets. I'm walking free. My conscience is clear. I have no criminal record. It has yet to be seen where such a publication will have Michael Lofton as being the subject of infamous activity.

I must admit, success has been good. This being said, keep on dreaming.....

.....Plus, neither a Kevin41, or otherwise have the lawful power and/or legal authority to send a Michael Lofton to any mental instituion.


Be it a Kevin41, Empty Purnata, art gurl, etc., your views, wishes, thoughts, etc., have little relevance, because unlike me, you are not a constituent of this area, thus your contentions are meaningless.

Reads very clear to me. Since clearly these individuals are not constituents of a South Central Los Angeles, Compton, etc., your input has little relevency to the situation, the situation being.....

...It is crystal clear to more than just a few individuals as to what point is being made here....

...the same or similar response, the response being.....

...........no need to. Illegal immigrant no good serving foreign interests at the expense of the citizens of Compton, South Central Los Angeles Congressman Merv Dymally is not worthy of the respect due an elected representative. The same can be said for no good in violation of the Los Angeles County Charter 2nd District Los Angeles County Supervisor Brentwood Burke, caught with his pants down while having lewd sex with a prostitute in a government owned vehicle California State Assemblyman Kevin Murray, no good serving her family at the expense of the taxpayer's Kerosene Waters, the Yellow Journal in the Los Angeles Sentinel that couldn't publish factual evidence about the truly law abiding if the information was given to them verbatim, etc., etc.

Respect is earned. Unlike a Kevin41, an Empty Purnata, etc., etc., who are not a part of this constituency,., I have the right to condemn, because:

A. I'm a law abiding, voting, and taxpaying constituent of the City of Los Angeles, the Los Angeles 2nd County District, and/or the State of California.

B. Elected officials are public servants sworn under oath to uphold the law.

C. These individuals have used false pretenses to hold elected office, and/or deception to derive financial gain at the expense of taxpayers.

D. They have each trashed or ignored legitimate petitions for redress from their constituency, which is the height of incompetence of the part of any elected official, which means they are not worthy of anything less than a derogatory adjective that precedes Congress person, Assemblyperson, County Supervisor, etc., etc. Basically known despots are not worthy of respect in any regard.

E. The Los Angeles Sentinel has yet to retract falsehoods, apologize, and/or set the record straight as it applies to publishing known falsehoods about members of the Black community.

Last but not least, again, I only give credit where it is due, to which none of these individuals are worthy of my respect. Respect must be earned.
This would be especially the case in the relationship between a public servant and his or her constituency!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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Too bad, CF, you don't understand that those in power and wealth got there in large part through illegal, immoral, and exploitive ways. They seek to "lock in" their immorally obtained lead in society and fear true and free competition with anyone.



Interesting.

So let me ask you MBM - you have some measure of wealth in your posession. A house, a car, computer equipment.

Can we conclude that you have gotten these things as well from skullduggery and thuggery but just is lesser portion than they did?

Did Michael Vic or Earl Graves, both of whom are millionaires receive their fortunes in the manner that you indicate?

You are throwing out some gross generalizations today man.
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:

He talks about people's mothers when he can't win an argument.


I guess YOU overlooked how Kevin called me a WHITE BOY?

I knew that THE JUDGES would look at that one post and note the dirt that I posted but overlook the other guy's offense. Take your thumb off of the scale.

If KEVIN wants to act like an adult WHO IS A POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR WITH A DOCTORATE I am more than willing to deal.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
I guess YOU overlooked how Kevin called me a WHITE BOY?


So has Nmaginate (he says it more often than Kevin).

You get called that because you are so apologetic and defensive of the White Establishment.


However, nothing that Kevin said justified your comment about his mother.

I thought you were such a "Christian" man? What happened to "turn the other cheek"? I see Neoconservatives like to throw religion around when it is beneficiary in propaganda, then disregard it when it is convenient.
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Originally posted by UppityNegress:]
you think it is ok for a dominate power to systematically provide inadquate services to a whole sector of society?



There have been plenty of studies done on racial disparities on medical treatment. SOME have shown that even Black practitioners provide a lower standard of care to Black patients.

In my view it has to do with the amount of insurance that is available to the individual based on the job that they work, the general standard of the medical facility itself (as compared to one in a more wealthy facility and YES plain ole racism.

Michael has documented the tale of shoddy medical care at MLK Hospital in Los Angeles (Killer King http://www.lavoice.org/article416.html)


I DO NOT SUPPORT a majority force having a different standard for a minority in applying medical care.

The fact is, however, that just like with public schools - people are inclined to focus on maintaining high standard for facilities that they are inclined to use - those in their community and expect others to do activisim for their own facilities. Those with money are going to be able to inject these funds at home.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

The fact is, however, that just like with public schools - people are inclined to focus on maintaining high standard for facilities that they are inclined to use - those in their community and expect others to do activisim for their own facilities.


It is that very self-interest that you describe above that is at the root of just about all of humanity's problems and evils.
nono

Either we learn to accept the fact that we're all in this together and that we live in a community of human beings all over the Earth, or, we will continue to exploit and pollute and harm each other to humanity's ultimate demise.

BTW - for all of you whp are motivated by scripture, what did the Bible say about "the least of these"? I guess Bush, conservatives, and capitalists missed Sunday school that lesson!
td6
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If KEVIN wants to act like an adult WHO IS A POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR WITH A DOCTORATE I am more than willing to deal.



* I'm not a politcal science professor dumbazz...I teach over 15 different courses in business admin, public admin and technology management.....can you read and comprehend? You tend to paint people with YOUR brush...you're not educated enough to do so.

And if you want to place the onus on me in terms of behaviors, act like my students in my masters and doctorate programs and answer questions factually and non-rhetorically, provide factual support to your statements and learn the concepts associated with policy analysis in terms of intent, working components and measurable outcomes and the concepts of intended and unintended consequences of political actions. You do not have the education or background to place an onus on me CF....I am waaay qualified to teach you a bunch of things before you can teach me schit.....if you do not believe, just show up at an interview of mine and try to compete. It is funny, you sound like those hypocritical church whites and blacks who do whatever in the fuck they want then hide behind the bible like some self-righteous motherfucker and cop a judgemental posture towards others....fuck you and that bullshit you are talking....and remember, checking an ignorant azz fool in a likewise manner does not dimminish my ability to perform academically. You cannot relate to everyone in an intelligent manner that is respectful...when I tried that with graduation rates and policy measurements as a way to determine EFFECTIVENESS I was given all kind of diversionary bullshit and a synopsis of what kinda negro I am.....that in itself does not respect my academic background or my efforts to provide research that respects the intelligence of others....and with that in mind, what am I supposed to do, be someone's fucking whipping boy...you'se niggas are crazy if you think you'll ever establish that type of arrangement with me........it ain't happening......you get what you give....so if you want me to sound like a professor....act like a grad student..you and your crazy homie both.......
"If KEVIN wants to act like an adult WHO IS A POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR WITH A DOCTORATE I am more than willing to deal." by CF

* I'm not a political science professor dumbazz...I teach over 15 different courses in business admin, public admin and technology management.....can you read and comprehend? You tend to paint people with YOUR brush...you're not educated enough to do so..

And if you want to place the onus on me in terms of behaviors, act like my students in my masters and doctorate programs and answer questions factually and non-rhetorically, provide factual support to your statements and learn the concepts associated with policy analysis in terms of intent, working components and measurable outcomes and the concepts of intended and unintended consequences of political actions. You do not have the education or background to place an onus on me CF....I am waaay qualified to teach you a bunch of things before you can teach me schit.....if you do not believe, just show up at an interview of mine and try to compete. It is funny, you sound like those hypocritical church whites and blacks who do whatever in the fuck they want then hide behind the bible like some self-righteous motherfucker and cop a judgemental posture towards others....fuck you and that bullshit you are talking....and remember, checking an ignorant azz fool in a likewise manner does not dimminish my ability to perform academically. You cannot relate to everyone in an intelligent manner that is respectful...when I tried that with graduation rates and policy measurements as a way to determine EFFECTIVENESS I was given all kind of diversionary bullshit and a synopsis of what kinda negro I am.....that in itself does not respect my academic background or my efforts to provide research that respects the intelligence of others....and with that in mind, what am I supposed to do, be someone's fucking whipping boy...you'se niggas are crazy if you think you'll ever establish that type of arrangement with me........it ain't happening......you get what you give....so if you want me to sound like a professor....act like a grad student..you and your crazy homie both...." by Kevin41
This is exactly what I am talking about....i'm supposed to be scholarly with you all...but you all get to say and do ignorant schit like re-post what I say again and again and not respond to the specifics of my posts......you negroes have lost your minds...but the kool part is.....you all will stoop to your own level of behavior but will not work to make the content of your posts more factual, less rhetorical and related to the previous post.......and that in itself is just a microcosm of the obvious hypocrisy that you call your lives.........
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Michael has documented the tale of shoddy medical care at MLK Hospital in Los Angeles (Killer King http://www.lavoice.org/article416.html)



**Yep, but dis he implicate the whites involved in many of those decisons? nope....and don't get me wrong, I don't excuse shit black people do wrong...I just do not let house niggs and racist inbreds present ANYTHING to me as a BLACK THING. Now when I brought this to Lofton's attention he gave homeboy a green light and continued to castigate the darkies....In addition, if his concern was just faulty services and incompetence, he would have brought forth the fuck-ups the white folks at UC Irvine had with the liver transplant program and other hospital operations issues....but did you hear about that from him or yourself....nope. You yourself have balked at many relative comparisons between blacks and whites on the basis of behaviors clustered around various socioeconomic levels, saying that you do not care about whites and you are only concerned about blacks. That is a gotdamn lie coming from your mouth and you know it. It is a favorite tactic of blkCONS and their white masters to promote negative black stereotypes and stigmas...relative comparisons take away the color component of the comparison and makes the reader adjust his mindset to accept the phenomenon as HUMAN or SOCIOECONOMIC behavior. These are the types of things you and lofty would be challenged on by me if we were in a formal classroom setting. I would have factual social research that qunatitatively supports my analysis of the material and therefore my position. I would also include the special apsects of the black social reality (discrimination, DWB, linguistic profiling, redlining etc.) also from factual data.....and place the onus on you and any other motherfucker who wants to rebut it to do so......so you want me to act like a professor? hey I teach online, would you like to simulate an MBA course (you or Lofty) with me as the instructor and factually challenge what I will present to you? Now i'm acting like a professor in the spirit of adherence to your request (open-minedness is the essence of being educated) so would you like to really respond to the questions in a manner that is representative of someone getting their MBA......just like the alternative policy to AA, I can remain open to suggestion and flexible with my thinking within the confines of reality....can you do the same CF or Lofty? I challenge you two to do so......now there it is..plain and simple...and out in the open air for all to see........
........more likely, it is our own Black community that is disgraceful.....

LA's Failing Black Hospital Shunned As "Killer King"
Posted on: 2004-12-07 16:57:42

Once a focus of black pride in South Central Los Angeles, the Martin Luther King, Jr./Drew Medical Center has, according to a devastating five-part expose in the Los Angeles Times, "a long history of harming, or even killing, those it was meant to serve." The Times series details one fatality after another due to misdiagnosis or other medical error at the black-run hospital; notes that K/D Medical Center is routinely ranked as one of the worst in the state and the nation; and observes that "Entire departments are riddled with incompetence, internal strife, and in some case, criminality." The problem isn't the hospital's funding, according to the Times, "but the way the money is squandered": on treatment costs per patient that exceed those of all other public hospitals in Los Angeles, on swollen salaries for its overpaid, underperforming physicians, on high expenditures for overtime pay and alleged on-the-job injuries for a staff in which loafing and absenteeism are rife, and on huge awards for malpractice. As the series notes, the hospital's largely black administration has routinely stonewalled patients' and physicians' complaints, while nearly every attempt to reform King/Drew by the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, which governs it, has been derailed "by community anger and accusations of racism." After over thirty years of African-American administration and operation, what began as the "embodiment of dreams for racial self-determination" is now known, according to the Times, to the blacks it was established to serve as "Killer King," its reputation so feared that patients are known to flee ambulances to avoid being delivered there and police reported to have a mutual understanding that wounded officers will be taken anywhere but King/Drew. That the situation at the hospital is critical has been known for some time (see "King/Drew Hospital...," TOH, Jan. 30, 2004); if and when King/Drew Medical Center flat-lines, the Los Angeles Times investigation makes clear, the last persons responsible will be white "racists."
See what I mean everyone? This guy is trying to pull on emotional heartstrings in others that are not even there. You all are too preoccupied with your own lives to let what anyone say in a message board have a bearing on you and negatively affect your mentality. Now I specifically outlined the relative comparisons and all I get is a hateful response that is supposed to elicit anger from me. Well, that is not going to happen. The other tactic Lofton employs, which someone else (EP, I think) says is childish and indicative of trying to have the last word.

Well, in the spirit of conveying concepts and principles associated with organizational and human behavior, there is a different motive Lofton is trying to fullfill that is very transparent to me but maybe stealthy to him. When I make a substantial post in an intelligent manner that will be impossible for him to rebut, he always posts an inflammatory message that does not address the particulars of what I posted and serves several purposes (in his feeble little mind only).

1. It is his attempt to have the last word as EP stated when describing childish behavior.

2. The infammatory nature of his posts is intended to distract from the content of the previous post that cannot rebut. Based on the hateful nature of his posts, an appropriate response would be emotional and inflammatory and therefore sucessfully take the discussion away from the points he cannot rebut or renders his statements moot.

3. In the spirit of blast emailing, his posts and long and distracting and by always being the last post in a thread, tends to hide the post of the person he intends to suppress, kinda like a get-it-lost-in-the-crowd-of-messages approach.


**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day.


**Maybe i'll start a user guide to help new progressive brothers and sisters see up front what they are dealing with when they engage with these cats...you know like a users manual.

**I could call it "Self-hating Negroes and BlkCONS for Dummies"...in the model of those self-help books already published, not calling the users themselves dummies........
The emotions, anger, etc., etc.

on the part of the many victims are indeed justifiable.

Most any reasonable individual would side with the victims as opposed to the perpetrators....

the perpetrators in this instance by and large being other Black people.

....Hang them Danno!!!!!


......but Oh well, far to often that is the mark and/or legacy of our own disgraceful elected leadership, and/or that no good Black middleclass who choose to join in with, honor, and/or protect the perpetrators, even in instances where the perpetrators are Black people, and many times the victims are also Black people!

Which.......Oh Well.....

the only thing growing......must be true!!!!
3. In the spirit of blast emailing, his posts and long and distracting and by always being the last post in a thread, tends to hide the post of the person he intends to suppress, kinda like a get-it-lost-in-the-crowd-of-messages approach.


**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day.
"If KEVIN wants to act like an adult WHO IS A POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR WITH A DOCTORATE I am more than willing to deal." by CF

* I'm not a political science professor dumbazz...I teach over 15 different courses in business admin, public admin and technology management.....can you read and comprehend? You tend to paint people with YOUR brush...you're not educated enough to do so..

And if you want to place the onus on me in terms of behaviors, act like my students in my masters and doctorate programs and answer questions factually and non-rhetorically, provide factual support to your statements and learn the concepts associated with policy analysis in terms of intent, working components and measurable outcomes and the concepts of intended and unintended consequences of political actions. You do not have the education or background to place an onus on me CF....I am waaay qualified to teach you a bunch of things before you can teach me schit.....if you do not believe, just show up at an interview of mine and try to compete. It is funny, you sound like those hypocritical church whites and blacks who do whatever in the fuck they want then hide behind the bible like some self-righteous motherfucker and cop a judgemental posture towards others....fuck you and that bullshit you are talking....and remember, checking an ignorant azz fool in a likewise manner does not dimminish my ability to perform academically. You cannot relate to everyone in an intelligent manner that is respectful...when I tried that with graduation rates and policy measurements as a way to determine EFFECTIVENESS I was given all kind of diversionary bullshit and a synopsis of what kinda negro I am.....that in itself does not respect my academic background or my efforts to provide research that respects the intelligence of others....and with that in mind, what am I supposed to do, be someone's fucking whipping boy...you'se niggas are crazy if you think you'll ever establish that type of arrangement with me........it ain't happening......you get what you give....so if you want me to sound like a professor....act like a grad student..you and your crazy homie both...." by Kevin41
2. The infammatory nature of his posts is intended to distract from the content of the previous post that cannot rebut. Based on the hateful nature of his posts, an appropriate response would be emotional and inflammatory and therefore sucessfully take the discussion away from the points he cannot rebut or renders his statements moot.



**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day.
"2. The infammatory nature of his posts is intended to distract from the content of the previous post that cannot rebut. Based on the hateful nature of his posts, an appropriate response would be emotional and inflammatory and therefore sucessfully take the discussion away from the points he cannot rebut or renders his statements moot.

**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day" by Kevin41

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speaking of inflammatory, or false information that is moot.....

"If KEVIN wants to act like an adult WHO IS A POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR WITH A DOCTORATE I am more than willing to deal." by CF

* I'm not a political science professor dumbazz...I teach over 15 different courses in business admin, public admin and technology management.....can you read and comprehend? You tend to paint people with YOUR brush...you're not educated enough to do so..

And if you want to place the onus on me in terms of behaviors, act like my students in my masters and doctorate programs and answer questions factually and non-rhetorically, provide factual support to your statements and learn the concepts associated with policy analysis in terms of intent, working components and measurable outcomes and the concepts of intended and unintended consequences of political actions. You do not have the education or background to place an onus on me CF....I am waaay qualified to teach you a bunch of things before you can teach me schit.....if you do not believe, just show up at an interview of mine and try to compete. It is funny, you sound like those hypocritical church whites and blacks who do whatever in the fuck they want then hide behind the bible like some self-righteous motherfucker and cop a judgemental posture towards others....fuck you and that bullshit you are talking....and remember, checking an ignorant azz fool in a likewise manner does not dimminish my ability to perform academically. You cannot relate to everyone in an intelligent manner that is respectful...when I tried that with graduation rates and policy measurements as a way to determine EFFECTIVENESS I was given all kind of diversionary bullshit and a synopsis of what kinda negro I am.....that in itself does not respect my academic background or my efforts to provide research that respects the intelligence of others....and with that in mind, what am I supposed to do, be someone's fucking whipping boy...you'se niggas are crazy if you think you'll ever establish that type of arrangement with me........it ain't happening......you get what you give....so if you want me to sound like a professor....act like a grad student..you and your crazy homie both...." by Kevin41
Nah Isome...those days of giving little mikey attention have fizzled down to nothing......what the hell...i made a decent effort up front to communicate so to hell with it......i read some of the old posts Ricardo chronicled and I was really too damn diplomatic in the first place...just takes a minute to figure it out when you trying to give a fool the benefit of the doubt. Remember when I said so in the thread about New Years resolutions? Well as you can see today is the 7th.....once I get my mind set on accomplishing something in terms of modifying my own behavior, it doesn't take long to go ahead and execute...plus, bullshit & nonsense is easier to fade than most things in life....like habits and other weaknesses we may have as humans.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
You're a better man than me. I wouldn't have tried having a discussion with this nut (Michael Lofton) to begin with. And it didn't take me long to realize I can only take dealing with CF on occasion. Smile


....more likely, it is the Black community that is nutty, backwards, sleazy, cowardly, disloyal, and/or treasonous towards itself......

...and since I believe in the laws of this land, I don't make any attempt to justify illegal activity.

...instead it is better served to seek redress, as opposed to asking the perpetrators why they did it.

......more important than the why, is the proving that they did. Last time I checked, more so that not, those behind bars are there, because it was proven that they did it, meaning in fact the individual, or group of conspiring individuals, truly committed the crime.

...on the flip side, meaning in civil court, in any atrocity, where the government violates a citizen or non-citizen, a citizen is more concerned in proving that the government violated them, so that they can be compensated, The Rampart Scandal and Killer/Butcher King Hospital being two of many proven instances.

....and in order to be compensated for the serious violations of law, and/or atrocities of government, be it the citizen, a group of citizens, a Civil Rights advocate, any so-called Civil Rights Organization, and/or especially your so-called elected representatives must first place value in the laws of this land.

...but since it has been validated that far too often our own elected Black leadership, and that no good Black middleclass who praise them choose to be co-conspirators in the oppression of the innocent, the indigent, the victims, the Black community will continue to remain in poverty!
"Nah Isome...those days of giving little mikey attention have fizzled down to nothing......what the hell...i made a decent effort up front to communicate so to hell with it......i read some of the old posts Ricardo chronicled and I was really too damn diplomatic in the first place...just takes a minute to figure it out when you trying to give a fool the benefit of the doubt. Remember when I said so in the thread about New Years resolutions? Well as you can see today is the 7th.....once I get my mind set on accomplishing something in terms of modifying my own behavior, it doesn't take long to go ahead and execute...plus, bullshit & nonsense is easier to fade than most things in life....like habits and other weaknesses we may have as humans." by Kevin41

"If KEVIN wants to act like an adult WHO IS A POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR WITH A DOCTORATE I am more than willing to deal." by CF

* I'm not a political science professor dumbazz...I teach over 15 different courses in business admin, public admin and technology management.....can you read and comprehend? You tend to paint people with YOUR brush...you're not educated enough to do so..

And if you want to place the onus on me in terms of behaviors, act like my students in my masters and doctorate programs and answer questions factually and non-rhetorically, provide factual support to your statements and learn the concepts associated with policy analysis in terms of intent, working components and measurable outcomes and the concepts of intended and unintended consequences of political actions. You do not have the education or background to place an onus on me CF....I am waaay qualified to teach you a bunch of things before you can teach me schit.....if you do not believe, just show up at an interview of mine and try to compete. It is funny, you sound like those hypocritical church whites and blacks who do whatever in the fuck they want then hide behind the bible like some self-righteous motherfucker and cop a judgemental posture towards others....fuck you and that bullshit you are talking....and remember, checking an ignorant azz fool in a likewise manner does not dimminish my ability to perform academically. You cannot relate to everyone in an intelligent manner that is respectful...when I tried that with graduation rates and policy measurements as a way to determine EFFECTIVENESS I was given all kind of diversionary bullshit and a synopsis of what kinda negro I am.....that in itself does not respect my academic background or my efforts to provide research that respects the intelligence of others....and with that in mind, what am I supposed to do, be someone's fucking whipping boy...you'se niggas are crazy if you think you'll ever establish that type of arrangement with me........it ain't happening......you get what you give....so if you want me to sound like a professor....act like a grad student..you and your crazy homie both...." by Kevin41

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Ka Ching, .....as long as the dollars keep rolling.....

....more likely Empty Purnata, ricardomath, and Kevin41 are full of it.....

..now this is punishment...

punishment for wrong and foolish actions truly deserved.

..now, I choose not to go this direction, and slim chance exists, where I will be punished for anything that I truly did.......

.....There is nothing that a Kevin41 can do that will ruin me, punish me, ruin my good reputation, etc., etc.


..haven't sustained any losses, be it financial, or otherwise, thus what you have classed as being punishment has been absolutely, positively, no denying it, no mistaking it,....truly painless to me.

Slim chance that a Kevin41, or otherwise can publish anything that sticks that will compromise, defame, and/or ruin my outstanding character!!!

I still hold my assets. I'm walking free. My conscience is clear. I have no criminal record. It has yet to be seen where such a publication will have Michael Lofton as being the subject of infamous activity.

I must admit, success has been good. This being said, keep on dreaming.....

.....Plus, neither a Kevin41, or otherwise have the lawful power and/or legal authority to send a Michael Lofton to any mental instituion.


Be it a Kevin41, Empty Purnata, art gurl, etc., your views, wishes, thoughts, etc., have little relevance, because unlike me, you are not a constituent of this area, thus your contentions are meaningless.

Reads very clear to me. Since clearly these individuals are not constituents of a South Central Los Angeles, Compton, etc., your input has little relevency to the situation, the situation being.....

...It is crystal clear to more than just a few individuals as to what point is being made here....

...the same or similar response, the response being.....

...........no need to. Illegal immigrant no good serving foreign interests at the expense of the citizens of Compton, South Central Los Angeles Congressman Merv Dymally is not worthy of the respect due an elected representative. The same can be said for no good in violation of the Los Angeles County Charter 2nd District Los Angeles County Supervisor Brentwood Burke, caught with his pants down while having lewd sex with a prostitute in a government owned vehicle California State Assemblyman Kevin Murray, no good serving her family at the expense of the taxpayer's Kerosene Waters, the Yellow Journal in the Los Angeles Sentinel that couldn't publish factual evidence about the truly law abiding if the information was given to them verbatim, etc., etc.

Respect is earned. Unlike a Kevin41, an Empty Purnata, etc., etc., who are not a part of this constituency,., I have the right to condemn, because:

A. I'm a law abiding, voting, and taxpaying constituent of the City of Los Angeles, the Los Angeles 2nd County District, and/or the State of California.

B. Elected officials are public servants sworn under oath to uphold the law.

C. These individuals have used false pretenses to hold elected office, and/or deception to derive financial gain at the expense of taxpayers.

D. They have each trashed or ignored legitimate petitions for redress from their constituency, which is the height of incompetence of the part of any elected official, which means they are not worthy of anything less than a derogatory adjective that precedes Congress person, Assemblyperson, County Supervisor, etc., etc. Basically known despots are not worthy of respect in any regard.

E. The Los Angeles Sentinel has yet to retract falsehoods, apologize, and/or set the record straight as it applies to publishing known falsehoods about members of the Black community.

Last but not least, again, I only give credit where it is due, to which none of these individuals are worthy of my respect. Respect must be earned.
This would be especially the case in the relationship between a public servant and his or her constituency!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
3. In the spirit of blast emailing, his posts and long and distracting and by always being the last post in a thread, tends to hide the post of the person he intends to suppress, kinda like a get-it-lost-in-the-crowd-of-messages approach.

**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day.
Notice how they get longer as a way to be more distracting...man behavioral science is something else........


**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day.
"Notice how they get longer as a way to be more distracting...man behavioral science is something else........

**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day." by Kevin41

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I pay Kevin41, etc., etc., no mind....

...because following in his footsteps would do nothing but keep me in poverty.

....again, back to the reality of it....

...and since I strongly believe in the laws of this land, I don't make any attempt to justify criminal, illegal, and/or civil tort activity.

...instead it is better served to seek redress, as opposed to asking the perpetrators why they did it.

......more important than the why, is proving the facts of how that they did it. Last time I checked, more times than not, those individuals formerly and/or presently behind bars, are there because it was proven that they did it, meaning in fact the individual, or group of conspiring individuals, truly committed the crime, and/or civil tort violation.

...on the flip side, meaning in civil court, in any atrocity, where the government, private industry, and/or both, violate the lawful rights of any law abiding citizen or non-citizen, a citizen is more concerned in proving that the government, private industry, or otherwise, violated them, so that they can be compensated, The Rampart Scandal and Killer/Butcher King Hospital being two of many proven instances.

....and in order to be compensated for the serious violations of law, the atrocities of government, the atrocities of private industry, or otherwise, be it the citizen, a group of citizens, a Civil Rights advocate, any so-called Civil Rights Organization, and/or especially your so-called elected representatives must first place value in the laws of this land.

...but since it has been validated that far too often our own elected Black leadership, and that no good Black middleclass who praise them choose to be co-conspirators in the oppression of the innocent, the indigent, the victim(s).....

....the Black community will continue to remain in abject poverty!
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
The fact is, however, that just like with public schools - people are inclined to focus on maintaining high standard for facilities that they are inclined to use - those in their community and expect others to do activisim for their own facilities.


It is that very self-interest that you describe above that is at the root of just about all of humanity's problems and evils.
nono

Either we learn to accept the fact that we're all in this together and that we live in a community of human beings all over the Earth, or, we will continue to exploit and pollute and harm each other to humanity's ultimate demise.

BTW - for all of you whp are motivated by scripture, what did the Bible say about "the least of these"? I guess Bush, conservatives, and capitalists missed Sunday school that lesson!
td6


MBM - I am not sure who is worse between you or Empty in your theory that you can have man transform into behaving like ANTS, practicing 100% socialism above their own concerns.

You and many other libs act like ultra-conservatives when it comes to the consideration of sending funds outside of America rather than spending it on your fellow Americans. There are many rich people who seek to keep their money for spending on their own families while people in New Orleans live in RELATIVE poverty. They poverty, however is upper class living in many poor areas such as in Pakistan and Somolia. Why is it so difficult for you to express what you preach when it comes to going beyond the MAN MADE NATION-STATE?
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You do not have the education or background to place an onus on me CF....I am waaay qualified to teach you a bunch of things before you can teach me schit



Here we go again folks.

KEVIN - Can you tell me WHO ON THIS BOARD has the qualifications to "TEACH YOU SCHIT"?

I know that you are intellectually SUPERIOR to most of us. The fact that you have been bestowed a the certification of "doctorate" by the American education which attempts to certify the KNOWLEDGE and LEARNING that a person acquires.

We all know that a Black man, having not finished high school and never gone to college - COULD GO TO THE LIBRARY FOR YEARS AND YEARS (as I see some homeless men in the main branch of the local library system do). They could read every book in the place. THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN CERTIFIED BY THE SYSTEM LIKE YOU HAVE means that they will never get a job within the SYSTEM as you have.

You have assimilated into the system that you attack so frequently.

KEVIN - You are not the rebel that you pretend to be.

You have assimilated into this system and you are working to LIBERALIZE this system so that more Blacks can come in.

The funny thing is however - once these Black students get education into this same system and begin to challenge some of the flaws in your ideology YOU BEGIN TO CALL THEM "WHITE" when you were a part of the push to have them sit next to a White kid to get education.
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You have assimilated into this system and you are working to LIBERALIZE this system so that more Blacks can come in.
Your slip is showing... I can see your PUSSY!

BTW, I missed your comment-response when MBM said this, earlier, where you thought the word "LIBERALIZE" had some special magic there, too:

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Too bad, CF, you don't understand that those in power and wealth got there in large part through illegal, immoral, and exploitive ways. They seek to "lock in" their immorally obtained lead in society and fear true and free competition with anyone.
But thanks for showing your True White DEFERENCE Colors. And, I'm the one who knows calls you "WHITE". Kevin, I believe, calls you a Foot Shufflin', Bowed Head, Uncle Tom, NUTS ON YOUR CHIN (oops! That's Faheem) Lackey NEGRO!

Get it straight, WHITE BOY!
And while you're at it, direct your comments to the MBM quote above. You know, this curious notion you have of declaring things (said and so many things unspoken, obviously) "THEIR" POSSESSION.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
MBM - I am not sure who is worse between you or Empty in your theory that you can have man transform into behaving like ANTS, practicing 100% socialism above their own concerns.


CF, stop pretending that you "care".

You aren't concerned that we are "placing an ideology above our own concerns", you are upset that that ideology is not Capitalism. If we were 100% Capitalists, you would have no problem. If we placed Capitalism above our own concerns, you wouldn't care.

You are just upset that we are not Capitalists (well, at least I'm not, I'm not sure if MBM is a Capitalist or a Socialist he comes off as a Socialized Capitalist to me). I can get along just fine with Socialized Capitalists, it's "free market" idealists like yourself that I'm not fond of.

And, for the record, Socialism does not come before my own concerns. Socialism is not even contrary to my concerns to begin with. There are many elements of our current Capitalism that are against my concerns however.



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You and many other libs act like ultra-conservatives when it comes to the consideration of sending funds outside of America


I don't. MBM was just being a stark realist, I don't think he was being ultra-conservative.

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rather than spending it on your fellow Americans.


I'm also choosy about what Americans I spend my money on. Not all my "fellow Americans" have my best interest in their mind. I'm not about to waste my money on people who wish to preserve the corrupt Status Quo, or people who wish to see me, as a Black person, end up poor, dead or in jail.

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There are many rich people who seek to keep their money for spending on their own families


Good for them.

You also contradicted the Capitalist lie that all people who made it are "self-made people". You just pointed out the concept of INHERTENCE. Most rich people in this country were born into INHERENTENCE, not the Capitalist "rags to riches" myth/fiction. Everyone who becomes rich does it with help (receiving a business loan is getting help, and thus not making you a "self-made man"). Most people who become rich do something illegal, immoral or unethical to get there, otherwise they would not be as rich.


African-Americans should practice the conversation of wealth as all, but I believe we should do it in a communal form as well as in private form. Apparently, you just want African-Americans to have an "every man and woman for themself" attitude when it comes to economics, and you consider that "communal concern". Give me a break. You just want to become rich; damn the rest of the Black Community. As long as you are rich, you don't care how many Blacks are poor.



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while people in New Orleans live in RELATIVE poverty.


What is your plan for us and America helping them? You claim we should support our "fellow Americans". Well, will our fellow Americans (I asume you mean White Americans) help us out?

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They poverty, however is upper class living in many poor areas such as in Pakistan and Somolia.


No shit, Sherlock.

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Why is it so difficult for you to express what you preach when it comes to going beyond the MAN MADE NATION-STATE?


What???
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You yourself have balked at many relative comparisons between blacks and whites on the basis of behaviors clustered around various socioeconomic levels, saying that you do not care about whites and you are only concerned about blacks.



Kevin:

Let me give you some CONTEXT to your statements above.

Inevitably there will be some over the top incident that a Black person or group of Blacks commit. Rather than condemn THIS PARTICULAR EVENT and clearly articulate how THIS EVENT HAS VIOLATED EVERYTHING THAT YOU BELIEVE.......

You (and my enemy Isome) will IMMEDIATELY do a web search and find and occassion in which WHITE FOLKS HAVE DONE THE SAME THING BUT THE OUTRAGE HAS NOT FOLLOWED.

So Kevin - does this benefit the Black victim of the attack that initiated your search - Nope.

Does this strategy allow the Black community to strengthen to make sure that this does not happen again - Nope

All this does is act as a CHECKMATE AGAINST WHITE FOLKS WHO MIGHT EXPRESS CRITICISM ABOUT THIS BEHAVIOR DONE BY BLACKS. This is yet another consequence of you (and Isome) being EXTERNALLY YOKED.

You all are not going to change until you are forced to live outside the fall back of an external government - just like the people of Pakistan face with their natural disaster.
We can look at Detroit, New Haven and other cities that are now run by PEOPLE WHO THINK LIKE YOU. A political advisor just wrote an article that the Black Mayor of New Haven CT should have JOB #1 OF GOING TO THE STATE GOVERNMENT AND DEMANDING MORE MONEY FOR THE PEOPLE LIVING IN HIS CITY.

I thought that a state grants city a charter because they have shown themselves to be self-sufficient, their incorporated state allowing their residents to gain more than if they were to remain unincorporated. The unincorporated area obtains services from the state (ie: state police) or from the county that they are contained in.

This supposed professor who wrote this piece can't seem to understand that his suggestion for seeking most of the city's resources from outside of the city boundaries is a contradiction in terms of what the city was organized for. They should consider de-incorporating. Of course to suggest this would have claims be made such as "They just want to disassemble a Black government so that they can control our resources".

Kevin - TACTICS that you use ARE NOT WORKING. The conditions on the ground among many Black people in this country should serve as a reminder of the FAILURE of many of your policies.. You may be strong with policies that have WHITE FOLKS to change so that they stop trampling over Black folks. YOU HAVE LITTLE OR NOTHING TO OFFER BLACK PEOPLE AS WE INTERACT WITH OTHER BLACK PEOPLE.

This will continue to be the primary failure in your ideology.
Thats okay CF...there are many who teach me things on this board, but being that I am fairly academically astute my damn self..I have to separate bullschit from actual learning material...but there is a definite core of educated people on this board who possess progressive thought. I have learned many things in areas of finance, technology, theology, medicine and other areas of academic endeavor. There is a big difference between what those people tell me and those who come in here daily to remind me why black people "ain't" shit. I understand where to draw that line of demarcation and what to accept and what to filter. I understand learning because I view it from a systematic process-based perspective, not just sitting down and sticking shit in my skull. I know how to learn but I try to continuously improve upon the methodology I employ to do so. That level of conducting self-inventory becomes secod nature after years of continuous academic immersion.


You can take your small cracks at what I think about my abilities and all that....but for years and years, you haven't been around to watch me burn the midnight oil....so fuck you....because I have told you stories of people that I knew were semi-illiterate that became scientists and engineers......people probably say that bullschit to them....but none of them were around to watch those individuals, struggle and put forth efforts towards their self-improvement that most others in their situation would not be motivated enough to do.


And by the way...I was certified by my parents and no fucking body else. They took the time to prepare me, told me what the fuck I had to get out there and do.....and approved of my efforts after the fact. Once that happened, my mindset was to say fuck afflicted negroes and warped inbred racists both and do my thing and get on down the road, and only affiliate myself with like-minded black people who truly have the interest of black people and advancement of the race in mind.

and as so far as lofton following my footsteps...I went from a teenager cutting yards and frying burgers at minimum wage to educate myself and be a engineer, professor, city administrator and consultant before 40....now for the fact the dumbazz cannot tell me how following me through life would have kept him in poverty, demonstrates how stupid he really is and is willing to sound. I could give a schit less about accomplishing any of it as a means to think i'm better than others but sometimes you just have to let people see how stupid they sound. All my life motherfuckers have been coming at me with some preconceived ass notion of lowered expectations on my part based on my gotdamn complexion. And as always, I have spent my whole life shoving their negative stereotypes up their azzes as a means to go back home and live with their personal inadequacies by their damn selves and not project them onto me. I am not trippin and do not even house any malice towards people in general....I just check their azzes on a situational basis and get on about my merry day with the normal crowd.....


** Your mentality is assimilation CF...mine is infiltration from within.....and yes, it is my goal to make any arena I am involved in more inclusive to blacks and if I cannot facilitate their entry, I will help to develop their skills where they can compete in it independent of me....


** I knwo it trips you out to see black people not live in deference to whites CF.....you see, I have been passed up for promotions because I didn't have a coon attitude and attend the social gatherings on weekends, I have had prmotions terminated because I have admonished high-level executives for racial jokes and fudging affirmative action good-faith numbers in contracting.

I have always felt that as long as I educate myself, i'll lessen the competition and broaden my own opportunities without ever having to be a house negro or compromising my values and dignity. Being that way has made my road harder to travel, but since I am self-made and never had to feel shame because of my actions that road has been much more rewarding. I have no reason to feel less adequate about myself (nor any better) than anyone else in this country no matter who the fuck they are. With that, i'm kool and chillin...but i still "ain't" gonna let troubled negroes or fools bring their schit and make it a part of my life....thats all........so in essence, I have never worried about what anyone makes me out to be as long as I know what I truly am......they all can go fuck themselves.......literally and figuratively speaking........
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Kevin - TACTICS that you use ARE NOT WORKING. The conditions on the ground among many Black people in this country should serve as a reminder of the FAILURE of many of your policies.. You may be strong with policies that have WHITE FOLKS to change so that they stop trampling over Black folks. YOU HAVE LITTLE OR NOTHING TO OFFER BLACK PEOPLE AS WE INTERACT WITH OTHER BLACK PEOPLE.



**CF..i have educated many and armed them with knowledge, formal educations and tact to improve their social conditions. Via other means, I have devoted much time and money towards black resources that have successfully transformed people in poverty into the middle and upper class with a blueprint to facilitate their own success throughout subsequent generations of their families and people close to them.....what have you done?

This will continue to be the primary failure in your ideology.
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**CF..i have educated many and armed them with knowledge, formal educations and tact to improve their social conditions. Via other means, I have devoted much time and money towards black resources that have successfully transformed people in poverty into the middle and upper class with a blueprint to facilitate their own success throughout subsequent generations of their families and people close to them.....what have you done?



**What is the failure associated with that ideology when I have MEASURABLE indicators of the EFFECTIVENESS of my approach? Let me hear what you have done that we could go and see tangible, measurable change that is beyond that I have helped to facilitate? I am sure your answer will be as vague and rhetorical as the one when I asked you to provide a policy alternative to AA that has a greater level of MEASURABLE EFFECTIVENESS than the graduation rate increases that were a part of a 30-year upward trend.
"You can take your small cracks at what I think about my abilities and all that....but for years and years, you haven't been around to watch me burn the midnight oil....so fuck you....because I have told you stories of people that I knew were semi-illiterate that became scientists and engineers......people probably say that bullschit to them....but none of them were around to watch those individuals, struggle and put forth efforts towards their self-improvement that most others in their situation would not be motivated enough to do.

And by the way...I was certified by my parents and no fucking body else. They took the time to prepare me, told me what the fuck I had to get out there and do.....and approved of my efforts after the fact. Once that happened, my mindset was to say fuck afflicted negroes and warped inbred racists both and do my thing and get on down the road, and only affiliate myself with like-minded black people who truly have the interest of black people and advancement of the race in mind.

and as so far as lofton following my footsteps...I went from a teenager cutting yards and frying burgers at minimum wage to educate myself and be a engineer, professor, city administrator and consultant before 40....now for the fact the dumbazz cannot tell me how following me through life would have kept him in poverty, demonstrates how stupid he really is and is willing to sound. I could give a schit less about accomplishing any of it as a means to think i'm better than others but sometimes you just have to let people see how stupid they sound. All my life motherfuckers have been coming at me with some preconceived ass notion of lowered expectations on my part based on my gotdamn complexion. And as always, I have spent my whole life shoving their negative stereotypes up their azzes as a means to go back home and live with their personal inadequacies by their damn selves and not project them onto me. I am not trippin and do not even house any malice towards people in general....I just check their azzes on a situational basis and get on about my merry day with the normal crowd.....

"Hmmmm...now his hero started the momma game but now he's a victim.....that sounds like the inbred racists when they label affirmative action "reverse racism" without ever knowing that one has to acknowledge racism as the status quo to be technically correct........" by Kevin41"

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...now speaking of small crap, lies, garbage, or however it should be phrased, all of which originate from Kevin41, Empty Purnata, and/or others. Yep, it is not in my best interest to recommend that anyone of my loved ones, close friends, and/or associates, follow the lead of any of these misguided individuals.

nonsense such as......

"Get it Straight White Boy" by Nmaginate, a very erroneous and disrespectful comment meant for Constructive Feedback

"Or tell your momma to shut up because she talks too much and her time is up. That is quite a rule, isn't it?!" by Isome

Caucasians more so than Black people are reckless killers, have no respect for life, disregard the property rights of others, etc., etc. link to the thread introduced by Empty Purnata

Black on Black, etc., crime

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"No problem Uppity Negress,

One just needs to see the ongoing dialogue from a couple of years worth of archives and see it is an exercise in futility.


****What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day.


** I may not be able to change a fool...but I can sure manage my dammy........" by Kevin41

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vs. the facts, reality, and truth

....same response....

.....to which again, it is your choice, follow in the footsteps of a lying Kevin41, and you can be assured to remain in poverty...

...and since I strongly believe in the laws of this land, I don't make any attempt to justify criminal, illegal, and/or civil tort activity.

...instead it is better served to seek redress, as opposed to asking the perpetrators why they did it.

......more important than the why, is proving the facts of how that they did it. Last time I checked, more times than not, those individuals formerly and/or presently behind bars, are there because it was proven that they did it, meaning in fact the individual, or group of conspiring individuals, truly committed the crime, and/or civil tort violation.

...on the flip side, meaning in civil court, in any atrocity, where the government, private industry, and/or both, violate the lawful rights of any law abiding citizen or non-citizen, a citizen is more concerned in proving that the government, private industry, or otherwise, violated them, so that they can be compensated, The Rampart Scandal and Killer/Butcher King Hospital being two of many proven instances.

....and in order to be compensated for the serious violations of law, the atrocities of government, the atrocities of private industry, or otherwise, be it the citizen, a group of citizens, a Civil Rights advocate, any so-called Civil Rights Organization, and/or especially your so-called elected representatives must first place value in the laws of this land.

...but since it has been validated that far too often our own elected Black leadership, and that no good Black middleclass who praise them choose to be co-conspirators in the oppression of the innocent, the indigent, the victim(s).....

....the Black community will continue to remain in abject poverty!


It is so easy to rebutt the foolishness, lies, and distortions of the reality of it as express by Kevin41, Empty Purnata, and/or those of similar expression.
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**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day.

**it is a really effective way to live a productive progressive life amongst those who really do not want such for you or themselves....but black people are the best at accomplishing great things in negative environments around racists and house negroes...it speaks volumes about our resiliency.......as a people......
"**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day.

**it is a really effective way to live a productive progressive life amongst those who really do not want such for you or themselves....but black people are the best at accomplishing great things in negative environments around racists and house negroes it speaks volumes about our resiliency.......as a people......"

an over abundance of House Negroes, some being our own Black middleclass is also the cause Black poverty, and is contributing to B on B criminal activity!
Hey...i'm a spambot also:

1. It is his attempt to have the last word as EP stated when describing childish behavior.

2. The infammatory nature of his posts is intended to distract from the content of the previous post that cannot rebut. Based on the hateful nature of his posts, an appropriate response would be emotional and inflammatory and therefore sucessfully take the discussion away from the points he cannot rebut or renders his statements moot.

3. In the spirit of blast emailing, his posts and long and distracting and by always being the last post in a thread, tends to hide the post of the person he intends to suppress, kinda like a get-it-lost-in-the-crowd-of-messages approach.


**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day.
**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day......


*What I used to find as MILDLY annoying is not even that any longer...understanding motivation diffuses the intent of the most degrading speech and actions from others....until they try a physical threat....and then it is time to check em....hard........
1. It is his attempt to have the last word as EP stated when describing childish behavior.

2. The infammatory nature of his posts is intended to distract from the content of the previous post that cannot rebut. Based on the hateful nature of his posts, an appropriate response would be emotional and inflammatory and therefore sucessfully take the discussion away from the points he cannot rebut or renders his statements moot.

3. In the spirit of blast emailing, his posts and long and distracting and by always being the last post in a thread, tends to hide the post of the person he intends to suppress, kinda like a get-it-lost-in-the-crowd-of-messages approach.


**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day.
"1. It is his attempt to have the last word as EP stated when describing childish behavior.

2. The infammatory nature of his posts is intended to distract from the content of the previous post that cannot rebut. Based on the hateful nature of his posts, an appropriate response would be emotional and inflammatory and therefore sucessfully take the discussion away from the points he cannot rebut or renders his statements moot.

3. In the spirit of blast emailing, his posts and long and distracting and by always being the last post in a thread, tends to hide the post of the person he intends to suppress, kinda like a get-it-lost-in-the-crowd-of-messages approach.


**What I have learned is that once you find out the motivation behind a person's behavior, you are not distracted by the behavior itself and less inclined to become angry because of it. you understand what they are striving for as a goal, eliminate their possibility of accomplishing it...and go on about your merry day."

"Is there any reason why this thread should not be moved to the "?" forum? Respectfully, is there anything of community-wide value here? sck" by MBM"

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"since Lofton doesn't provide any community-wide value in his posts either, he, too, should be relegated to the "?" forum. Simply quoting people's posts and linking to white supremacist websites or his own posts as proof of his assertions isn't of community-wide value. It's spam and it's annoying." by Isome

...More likely, Black people more so than Caucasians need to address this issue, the issue being respect for life, and/or the property of others...

The reality of it rebutts B.S., the B.S. being the misguided and erroneous views of Empty Purnata...........

"White people are dangerous and violent!

They developed the bomb and are the only ones to use it against another nation.

When they are frightened (read: the war on terrah) they will attack anyone and everyone who doesn't look like them in the name of being "safe". They will round up people from other nations and intern them in concentrated camps (WWII with the Aleuts and the Japanese & the current war on terrah). They will racially profile people of color and brutalize the innocent without shame.

When there is a chopped up body crime, most of the time the victim and perpetrator are white. I don't know how white people live with each other without fear knowing the brutality they can commit against each other.

When there is a murder for money, nine times out of ten the victim and initiator of the homicidal scheme are white.

When there is mass murder, most of the time the perpetrator is white.

When there is corporate crime (re: BoPal, mining cave in, etc.), you can bet dollars to doughnuts the individuals in charge are white.

When there is a serial poisoner, most of the time the perpetrator is white.

When there is a psychopathic, murderous caregiver (Dr. Swango or a nurse) I've only seen or read about white folks.

White on white crime is affecting us all in negative ways! Those people must address their issues with violence!!!" by Isome

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"It is an adult move to have the last word..............wow" by Kevin41

....and quite naturally:

1. when your name and good character are unwarrantedly distorted by others, it is an adult move to have the last word.

2. Known falsehoods are allowed to stand as being true....

....because if you don't refute, rebut, deny, disprove, speak up......


......speak up as if your last breath depended on it.....

.......then you are in tacit agreement with the material.


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......since the author of the thread "Negroes who defend the status quo once they've "gotten theirs", and/or the author's cohorts choose not to include both sides of this issue.....

...in addition to say the least, indeed MBM, it would also be a plus to move this thread to the ? category. Better yet the thread should be erased entirely.

"Shut the hell up Frenchy...if I didn't like gays or was against their agenda i'd be proud to tell your azz just that. If you understand the context of my post, you would see that I said that gays tend to take their agenda and confound the issues that are related to people disconnected from them and their issue(s). You are the example of the kind of person i mentioned that when you say you are not against gays, they make you be someone against them anyway. If I say my stance on an issue is a certain way and say it specifically like I did, how are you able to take something I said in the past, give it the context you want it to have and present it as me contradicting myself? You must be one of those handsome azz pushy women......i'm just f-king with ya...i'm not a narrow minded sexist......but trust me...if i'm against something or do not like something, I do not mince words when letting the world know how I REALLY feel about it.......you will not have to clarify it for me....so yes, just because I want the gays to keep their issues amongst themselves does not mean I am trying to stop them from doing anything...i do not care what they do or if they suceed or fail...got it?" by Kevin41 the notorious professor

....and it has been suggested that I be banned. More likely, let the readers draw their own conclusion as to who truly should be banned.
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Once again...i'll save my time and efforts and use them to learn and dialogue with the like-minded progressives who are indicative of my own educational and intellect level......once you give a damn fool attention...it is a warped form of flattery to them....because they really do believe that interacting with them lends credibility to their nonsense...that is not the case..and you try to show people the flaws in their thinking as a courtesy...but by no means should their ignorance become your burden....and now matter how much fanfare is posted after this message...these words will still ring true....because the truth is absolute and not really up for debate or broad interpretation......and it is funny how people will try to place a burden of intellegence upon me....when I have made the effort to prove my intellect waay above and beyond anything they could even imagine....but it is interesting how the progressives in here relate to each other and acknowledge and respect each other's intelligence...but the fool core will try to drag the dialogue down the tubes in the same manner they swear the black race destroys itself.....interesting indeed....
So much for Affirmative Action, and like minded progressives and any benefit they bring to the Black community. There are definitely more pressing issues and concerns, based on credibility and not the fiction, and fallacies of any Kevin41, Empty Purnata, etc., etc.....

...such activity would not be considered B.S. by those victimized by this activity. More likely those who make excuses for our own inept Black elected leadership, those who change the subject matter to compare the senseless killing of Black people by other Blacks to Caucasian criminal activity are full of B.S., crap, nonsense, fallacies, etc.

....as reality would have it, Caucasians are not ending up in the morgue on a daily basis, or losing any hope of competent representation, as a result of this senseless activity.


....or get upset, because just like any other source of publishing, be it the L.A. Times, the Daily News, the New York Times, Michael Lofton, Constructive Feedback, the KKK, Protest Warrior, StormFront, and/or otherwise...

....once any valid subject matter is published, for the perusal of the reader, anyone can circulate the material, publish it, use it as supportive documentation, and it would not matter as to the source, in the event the information is valid.

Those who do not wish to see their name(s) or wrong actions published should have used better judgment in the first place. Had they not committed the act, there would not be any information of this type that could be substantiated and published.


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"Black leaders must address murder rate, Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 01/8/06

BY DEWAYNE WICKHAM

Adistinguished group of black Americans will assemble in Washington next month to put finishing touches on a blueprint for uplifting their race. Called "The Covenant with Black America," this plan is the product of a brain trust of black leaders "” people committed to fixing what's broken in black America.

The 254-page document, a copy of which I obtained in advance of its scheduled late February release, is an action plan to make black people healthier, improve the education of black children, reduce the high black incarceration rate and help black Americans acquire wealth and become economically self-sufficient.

As important as all of this is, it doesn't go far enough.

Somewhere in this document, amid all the talk about what individuals can do to strengthen the race, there should have appeared these words: Thou shall not kill. Anyone who is serious about uplifting the black race ought to have ending the slaughter of black people high on the list of things to do.

According to Tuskegee Institute data, 3,445 black Americans were lynched in this country between 1882 and 1968. As horrific as that Jim Crow "justice" was, it pales compared with the black-on-black carnage now taking place.

Of the 15,365 black people murdered between 2000 and 2004 whose killers are known to law enforcement officials, 14,025 of them were killed by other blacks, according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report.

To put this into context, more than four times as many black people were killed by black people during this five-year period as died at the hands of mobs over the 86 years of recorded lynchings.

If the Ku Klux Klan were responsible for this level of bloodshed, black leaders would make ending this violence a top priority. If the Aryan Nation were behind this senseless slaughter, they would demand extraordinary steps to stop it.

But overwhelmingly, the culprits aren't bigoted whites; they are a small group of self-loathing blacks. These people are a cancer eating away at the hopes and aspirations of those whose lives they affect. And that impact is widespread.

Eight of the 10 cities with the highest murder rate per 100,000 population are majority black, Morgan Quitno Press reported in its 2005 listing of the nation's most dangerous cities. In the other two, black and Hispanic residents combined make up the population majority.

How do you build better schools and energize economic development in cities plagued by such murder rates? How do you keep middle-class whites and blacks from fleeing to the suburbs "” a loss that depletes the tax bases of these cities?

Education and jobs are part of the answer. And drug trafficking and drug abuse have a lot to do with black-on-black murders. But behind these causes are people who have little regard for the lives of others. What do we do about them?

For many of us who have escaped the most violent black neighborhoods, the carnage that goes on in them is a distant reflection of the nation's larger failings. But for those left behind, who run the gauntlet of this violence, the need for an end to black-on-black murder is a matter of great urgency.

As it should be for the well-meaning drafters of The Covenant.

DeWayne Wickham is a Washington-based columnist for the Gannett News Service."

...now based upon the fallacies circulated by a Kevin41, Empty Purnata, etc., the KKK, would also be responsible for these atrocities, atrocities to which the victims are Black and the perpetrators are Black.

......and mind you this article was published by other Black people.


Thanks CF, for introducing this material.

....by the way, let's see how long it takes, for an Empty Purnata, a Kevin41, etc., etc., to say that this is worthless information, because it came from the KKK, Protest Warrior, the Bush Administration, The Gannet News Service, Conservative Blacks, Uncle Toms, SpamBots, etc., etc.


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"DeWayne Wickham is a Washington-based columnist for the Gannett News Service...

...and mind you this article was published by other Black people.

Published??? By "other" Black people??? Is Gannett owned by Black people?" by AudioGuy

....regardless of whether the Gannett News Service used the information of other Black people, to make this publication possible. Either way, be it solely Gannett News work...

.....which it is not, because DeWayne Wickham's information came from Black sources, or

.....or Black people who consulted with the Gannett News Service to make this possible, the message is still valid.....
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Affirmative Action: Who Benefits?

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Contents

A Policy That Suffers an Identity Crisis
Answers to Frequently Asked Questions About Affirmative Action
Where Do We Go From Here?
Bibliography

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A Policy That Suffers an Identity Crisis
Few social policy issues have served as a better gauge of racial and ethnic divisions among the American electorate than that of affirmative action. Polls indicate that many Americans perceive affirmative action policies to be synonymous with quotas, set-asides, and preferential treatment that benefit minorities and women at the expense of white males. Consequently, political leaders on the left and right are promising to revisit federal affirmative action policies. Some have expressed clear intentions to dismantle affirmative action policies; others have called for more study and review.

What opinion polls also reveal, however, is that, by and large, voters do not know very much about what affirmative action comprises, the scope of federal affirmative action policies, and who benefits (or is hurt) by these policies. As a result, public opinion is shaped to a greater extent by social attitudes and beliefs about recipients (e.g., minorities and women) rather than by solid information about affirmative action policies themselves.

With a few exceptions, social science research on affirmative action and workforce diversity has not been brought to bear on current policy debates. This research is critical to address the question of whether or how the federal government can ensure fairness for all Americans. For this reason, the American Psychological Association, the Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues, and the Society for the Psychological Study of Ethnic Minority Issues convened a briefing for members of Congress and their staffs to summarize relevant social science research on affirmative action. Held on September 21, 1995, the briefing brought six distinguished psychologists to the nation's capital to advance a shared mission: promoting the use of the best scientific psychological research as a means of addressing the social policy issues surrounding affirmative action.

This document integrates and summarizes key points made by the presenters at the briefing. Faye Crosby, PhD, discussed the varieties of affirmative action policies and how these policies compare with equal employment opportunity policies. Audrey Murrell, PhD, summarized current data on workforce participation of women and ethnic minorities, and the barriers these groups face to equal representation in income and employment. John Dovidio, PhD, summarized research into contemporary forms of racism that affirmative action policies must address.

Also, Rupert Nacoste, PhD, discussed procedural standards employed by courts in evaluating affirmative action programs and means to ensure procedural fairness for all groups. Anthony Pratkanis, PhD, presented a number of means to ensure that affirmative action policies are balanced and work for everyone, including direct recipients as well as indirect beneficiaries. And Janet Helms, PhD, explored the historical and political context in which affirmative action programs came into existence and offered a challenge to Americans to look at research findings when thinking about race and gender in the workplace.

We gratefully acknowledge the leadership and assistance of Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) and Rep. Barbara Rose Collins (D-Mich.), cosponsors of the briefing, and their staffs.

The information presented in this paper does not necessarily reflect the positions of the American Psychological Association, the Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues, or the Society for the Psychological Study of Ethnic Minority Issues. For questions or more information regarding this briefing, please contact Brian Smedley, PhD, Director of APA Public Interest Policy, at 202-336-6066. For more information about specific issues discussed here, contact any of the contributors listed at the back of the booklet.

Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about Affirmative Action
What is affirmative action?
Affirmative action is a catchall phrase referring to laws, customs, and social policies intended to alleviate the types of discrimination that limit opportunities for a variety of demographic groups in various social institutions.

More specifically, it refers to both voluntary and mandatory efforts undertaken by federal, state, and local governments; private employers; and schools to combat discrimination and to promote equal opportunity in education and employment for all. However, the meaning and nature of affirmative action have changed over the last 30 or so years as a result of congressional, presidential, and court actions (Stephanopoulos and Edley, 1995).

Opinion polls reveal that the general public is sharply divided on the meaning and value of affirmative action (Bruno, 1995). One reason for the heated controversy is related to confusion over how the term is defined and implemented.

In a general sense, affirmative action occurs when an organization expends energy to make sure there is no discrimination in employment or education and, instead, equal opportunity exists. Two types of affirmative action policies are commonly in use (Crosby and Cordova, 1995).

Classical. This type derives from White House Executive Order 11246 of 1965 (later amended), which mandates that employers monitor their utilization of individuals from target groups (e.g., women) to ascertain if it reflects the availability of talent in the community.


New (additional). More recently, some affirmative action laws and regulations have involved the use of preferential treatment, privilege, and set asides to achieve workforce diversity. Some organizations use set-aside programs as an expedient way to address discrimination when better remedies are not available; from a legal standpoint, justifying set asides is much harder than justifying classical affirmative action.

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What are the differences between affirmative action and equal employment opportunity policies?
Equal employment opportunity (EEO) is best described as a policy of simple nondiscrimination, in compliance with legislation prohibiting all forms of intentional discrimination on the basis of race, color, sex, religion, or national origin. It specifically outlaws discrimination in employment in all public and private sector organizations with 15 or more employees, as well as labor organizations and employment agencies.


Affirmative action goes further by requiring employers to take steps to achieve a balanced representation of workers.
Thus, affirmative action and EEO policies both strive to maintain justice. Classical affirmative action, however, involves effort. In contrast, equal employment opportunity policies are passive. The table opposite highlights some basic differences between the two concepts.


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Is affirmative action still needed?
Research indicates that affirmative action is still needed for two related reasons:

A series of laboratory studies have shown that almost all people have trouble detecting a pattern of discrimination unless they are faced with a flagrant example or have access to aggregated data documenting discrimination (Clayton and Crosby, 1992). This inability to make accurate judgments about discrimination from isolated incidents or comparisons is just as true for fair-minded and intelligent people as it is for others. Aggregated data are needed, therefore, if decision makers are to avoid or correct imbalances before they become flagrant. As shown in the table opposite, affirmative action is the only policy that requires an organization to collect and scrutinize aggregated data.


Data indicate that the biases against minorities and women that humans show in laboratory settings are reflected in real-world practices. According to the March 1995 report of the Federal Glass Ceiling Commission, for example, a large proportion of minorities and women are locked into low-wage, low-prestige, and dead-end jobs. Additional data suggest that these two groups have been disproportionately affected by current trends in workforce downsizing; many service-oriented industries, for example, disproportionately employ women and minorities and are likely to continue downsizing through the year 2002. It is likely that the minorities and women who work in these industries will be hardest hit (Murrell and Jones, 1995).


**Why some people will never educate themselves...they live to be wrong...........
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According to the March 1995 report of the Federal Glass Ceiling Commission, for example, a large proportion of minorities and women are locked into low-wage, low-prestige, and dead-end jobs. Additional data suggest that these two groups have been disproportionately affected by current trends in workforce downsizing; many service-oriented industries, for example, disproportionately employ women and minorities and are likely to continue downsizing through the year 2002. It is likely that the minorities and women who work in these industries will be hardest hit (Murrell and Jones, 1995).


** This is why we must push to educate the black populous. For the last few years, the CalStart program that sends lower-income people to the CalState schools had a surplus of money. While a teacher in that system, I was able to get people to encuorage others they knew to apply for and utilize the monies available. Between that and contributing to black organizations for thelast 20 years and taking young black males to Camp Sigma to learn about self-esteem, acacdemic acheivement and gang, drug and pregnancy aversion....I am somewhat doing my part. One day when I am wealthy enough(hopefully soon), I would like to establish a trust-fund at Prairie View A&M for black kids (preferably low-income) to go there and study in the science and engineering fields. I aim to help life black people...unlike sorry azz house negroes who have nothing for malice for black people....all they can do is degrade and try to demean....but they will never get off of their sorry coonin azzes to do one thing or spend one dollar on behalf of black causes...they are the sorriest motherf-kers to ever come out of a woman...they know it, their moms and dads knew it, we know it in here....and the way they rant and rave is just another failed attempt to hide the disdain they have for THEMSELVES.....but it is not working...at all.....but thank goodness they have this online forum....because they can now say the shit that they have been too scared to say in person for years...and with good cause, because many of them would get their azzes kicked saying that shit in the wrong circles......they know it and I do to...and that is why they are here...but no one cares...they are losers trying to pretend like they are winners....but a winner does not have the need to look down upon others to make themselves look better.....their accomplishments and the way they are received by the public at large indicates that they are winners......
...the legacy of AA, Social Welfare, our disgraceful elected representatives, and/or that no good Black middleclass who praise them.

.....and pat yourself on the back if you've distanced yourself from that inept, sleazy, worthless no good Black middleclass.....

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"Former Aide's Guilty Plea Implicates Congressman

Brett M. Pfeffer details conspiracy and bribery claims against Democrat William J. Jefferson.

By Ralph Vartabedian
Times Staff Writer

January 12, 2006

Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-La.) sought bribes, jobs for his children and other favors for providing political support to a company setting up Internet service in Nigeria, according to a former aide's guilty plea, entered Wednesday in federal court in Alexandria, Va.

In an alleged conspiracy, beginning in 2004, Jefferson, in exchange for providing political help, demanded payments and favors from a northern Virginia company that was proposing to set up Internet service through the Nigerian Telephone Co., according to the guilty plea by Brett M. Pfeffer of Herndon, Va., to charges of aiding and abetting bribery of a public official and conspiracy.

A spokeswoman for Jefferson said he would have no comment on the allegations. The congressman's New Orleans attorney did not return calls seeking comment.

An indictment against Jefferson, 58, could come in the next several months, according to law enforcement sources who asked not to be identified. Pfeffer is now cooperating with federal prosecutors in northern Virginia, where the case was filed.

Pfeffer's plea and the investigation into Jefferson expand the range of corruption scandals that have hit Congress, including a case of alleged insider trading by Sen. Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), the defense industry bribery case of Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-Rancho Santa Fe), and most recently the widening investigation into congressional misconduct involving lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

"There has been this flurry of investigations involving Congress," said Randall Eliason, former chief of the public corruption section of the U.S. attorney's office in Washington and an adjunct professor at American University. "It is more than I can recall at any recent time."

At least five different federal investigations involving members of Congress are underway, Eliason noted.

Whether the number of cases reflects more political corruption, tougher enforcement or just coincidence is impossible to know, he added. "All you can say is that the number of cases is on the rise," Eliason said.

So far, the cases have involved principally high-ranking Republicans, raising the potential for a voter backlash in upcoming midterm elections. But Jefferson, a Harvard Law School graduate, is a prominent Democrat.

The case also could affect funding to rebuild sections of New Orleans destroyed by Hurricane Katrina. Findings of deep corruption in the city and the state could compromise any large injection of federal funding, some opponents have asserted.

The Jefferson investigation was first made public in August, when the Justice Department obtained search warrants for Jefferson's homes, cars and offices, as well as subpoenas of other current and former staffers in his office. Federal agents reportedly took large amounts of cash, recovered from Jefferson's freezer, according to press accounts at the time.

Last August, federal officials also searched the Maryland home of the vice president of Nigeria, Alhaji Atiku Abubakar.

Pfeffer worked for Jefferson from 1995 to 1998. By 2004, Pfeffer was president of an investment company based in McLean, Va., that was controlled by an unidentified cooperating witness in the investigation. At a meeting in Jefferson's office, the federal witness met the executives of a Kentucky-based Internet company that provided technology and a license for the Nigerian deal, according to a criminal information filed in the Pfeffer case.

Jefferson was referred to in court documents as Representative A, but law enforcement officials and the history of the case leave no doubt that Representative A is Jefferson.

Jefferson agreed to help the deal in meetings with officials from Nigeria and the ExportImport Bank, according to the documents. In exchange, the scheme funneled legal work to Jefferson's family and put a daughter on retainer for the Virginia company for as much as $5,000 a month. The scheme also provided that Jefferson's family received a 5% to 7% ownership interest in the operation.

Jefferson, the first African American elected to Congress from Louisiana since Reconstruction, is considered a leading authority in Congress on African trade issues, and leads the African trade caucus in the House.

The criminal information, a type of charging document like an indictment, does not indicate whether Jefferson received anything of value.

Pfeffer is scheduled to be sentenced March 31.

Copyright 2006 Los Angeles Times"

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....no good Congressman William Jefferson being yet one more misfit from the Black community. But Oh Well, that is the nature of the Black community.

..........Another illegal immigrant serving foreign interests, and/or his personal friends no good Congressman William Jefferson, at the expense of the voters. Reminds me of the other misfits.

.....That is the nature of the Black community. Since the Black community refuses to remove this trash, the ethical nature, and respect for law of others will!

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...but that is the nature of that no good Black middleclass for you. Defending the Social Welfare System, a system that has contributed to the destruction of the Black community.

.....and the fact that more Caucasians are on welfare has absolutely no connection to the reality, that the Black community is so dependent on AFDC benefits, and/or social welfare for its survival.

.....Mind you the Black family structure has been decimated behind the destructive to the Black family structure no good Social Welfare principles and practices.

....so glad that my parents rejected that no good Black middleclass, as it relates to the countless times that so many no good Black social workers, would recommend that my Mom could receive social welfare benefits if she would get rid of her husband.

Heck, slim chance exists where or if, either of my immediate family members would have reached such high levels of success by listening to, honoring, and/or respecting the guidance of that no good professional Black middleclass.

......Indeed, the unethical nature of our own misfit leadership, and/or the dishonor of that no good Black middleclass who praise them will definitely mean firing, demographic shifts, criminal indictment, and/or other methods to remove such trash from public service.

...and the days of Black politicians in California are definitely numbered. Heck, none of these self serving despots will be missed.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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