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Poll: Iraq War Was Right Move

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

December 20, 2003

Washington - Americans think the war in Iraq was the right decision, by a 2-1 ratio, and are more inclined to approve of the job done by President George W. Bush in foreign policy and terrorism following the capture of Saddam Hussein, an Associated Press poll found.

They remain wary, however, of the continuing deadly conflict in Iraq.

Hussein's capture appears to have given Bush's re-election prospects a boost: The poll conducted for the AP by Ipsos-Public Affairs found that nearly half of respondents, 45 percent, said they would definitely support Bush's re-election, while 31 percent said they would definitely vote against him.

A month ago, people were evenly divided on that question, at 37 percent definitely for and 37 percent definitely against.

Two-thirds in the poll said they were confident the United States would capture or kill Osama bin Laden, who is believed to have orchestrated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. That's up from about half who felt that way in a poll in September.

"I'm confident we'll capture Osama bin Laden," said Jill Chiccino, a surgical technician from Wilmington, Del. "I still don't feel that will solve terrorism, but it may help."

More than six in 10 registered voters, 63 percent, said they approved of Bush's handling of foreign policy and terrorism, up from 54 percent who felt that way in early December in an AP-Ipsos poll.

Bush's overall job approval among voters was 59 percent, up from 53 percent in early December but still far below his mid-70s war ratings from earlier this year.

Seven in 10 said they believed the Iraq war was an important part of the campaign against terrorism rather than a distraction, as some critics have charged. And by more than a 2-1 ratio, people said the war was the right decision and not a mistake.

The AP-Ipsos poll of 1,001 adults was taken Monday through Wednesday and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points, slightly larger for subgroups such as registered voters.

Copyright © 2003, Newsday, Inc.


There is no passion to be found playing small, in settling for a life
that is less than the one you are capable of living. - Mandela

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As to the poll: I am in favor of the Iraq War.

I am bewildered however that you, MBM, chose entitle the poll "Negroes Out Of Touch..." Not only does it seem to be sociologically regressive, but also inconsistent with most, if not all, of your posts when referring to those of us who are of African ancestry, known and unknown.

I thought we beat that rap.

Is something going on?

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.
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Originally posted by EgbertSouse:
MBM,

I caught the tongue-in-cheek nature of your title for this thread. But you have to be very careful. There's a lot of negroes out there who are constantly looking for something new to be offended by. They thrive on being offended by racial slights, even when they are completely unintentional.
And what do you "thrive" on?

And what can be "unintentional" about a "racial" slight?

Be honest with yourself. The only thing that people who use "racial" slights intend on is not getting caught or taken to task for using them. You know, it didn't use to be that way... There was a time when you could say and practically do whatever ... and get away with it, huh?

"Completely unintentional".... Roll Eyes
"constantly looking for something new to be offended by".... sleep

Note To Souse:
One doesn't have to "look" for something in plain sight! Wink

"I didn't mean [to get caught...] I mean... I didn't mean it!", "Honest!" angel

Okay... On to your next theory!
(Now, I gave you some attention. YOu should feel loved!)
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Originally posted by MBM:
quote:
Originally posted by James Wesley

I am bewildered however that you, MBM, chose entitle the poll "Negroes Out Of Touch..."


It's called "toungue-in-cheek".


JWC: Whew!!! Thanks!!

On this board, some might think you were using an expletive, or worse were "old school.

P.S. Oooops!!! I hadn''t read the other posts.

PEACE

Jim Chester


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that is less than the one you are capable of living. - Mandela
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You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.
Just making an observation. I'm not really interested in arguing about it. Its just that MBM rarely uses the word, and technically, he wasn't using here, yet Kevin uses it liberally to describe African Americans in his statements and no one says a thing. Black people can be so fickle sometimes. Its alright for some people to use it, but others can't?

[This message was edited by Rowe on December 22, 2003 at 06:39 PM.]
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Its just that MBM rarely uses the word
I think we all notice that...

I wasn't trying to argue with you...
I was fully ready to accept your constructive criticism regarding it because I, for one, haven't objected to KEVIN and this is perhaps the first time I've heard of it being an issue.
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Its alright for some people to use it, but others can't?

Not arguing but I don't follow that line of reasoning. I don't think it absolutely fits every situation, not to mention you just excused it... from MBM.
"Why doesn't anyone get on Kevin's behind when he intentionally uses the word "negroes?"" by Rowe

"Whatever fool....you gained rights and benefitted from MLK's actions also.....some of you Cally/LA types try to pretend that the things in the south did not apply here.....well older blacks hae told me about how your black azz could not be caught west of Main St. after dark......and one of his freinds got a ticket in Culver City for "niggering"-being caught over there after dark. So act as stupid as you like Lofton, the reason you are not eating in the colored section, pizzing in the colored bathrom and doing something for a living besides menial unskilled work is because of the efforts of MLK and people like him. So you can live in denial like a fat heiffer wearing a little dress.....yeah, she is wearing what small women wear but that does not make her azz be a small woman also. So carry on and rant and rave all you like Lofton....it is very comical in nature...and does not change the fact of your social reality here in the US. So all that shit you talk does not change your status as a beneficiary....it just shows what an ungrateful fu-k of a person you really are. But hey, I guess maybe you did not need the civil rights movement personally. Maybe you feel that you could demonstrate hatred FOR blacks TO whites and would have made a living off of handouts you garnered during your pandering to them. well, that sure leaves dignity out of the equation.....so yeah Lofton, you are just another black man like myself (so you say) and you face the same things I do and benefitted from the same things I did....plain and simple.....so keep talking the bullshit you do to impress/convince yourself.....but it means absolutely nothing in the greater world outside of your personal existence......" by Kevin41

It seems you can't disagree without being on the receiving end of profanity,inflamatory statements, etc., when applied to the likes of Professor Kevin41.

I hear you loud and clear. At least, when responding to you, Rowe, Professor Kevin41 has toned down using profanity.

You should play back some of the diatribe that Kevin41 has posted in responding to me. I, like you, find this very inappropriate for any preacher, teacher, ...and especially very uncouth, unintelligent, disgraceful, etc., as applied to any university professor.

Would you want such an individual teaching your son, daughter, cousin, nephew, friend, stranger? I wouldn't tolerate this even if it meant passing such useless activity on to my worst enemy!


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on December 22, 2003 at 07:31 PM.]
For turning your backs on the people who delivered your mamas and daddies from the colored sections of jim crow.....THEY (mama and daddy) should call you all names that would make negro sound like a great compliment.....you are the scourge of the black race....the sub-human creature that crawls on its belly at the beckon of racist whites.....quit whining and acting like little girls...what I say does not take food from your table....so SHUT UP AND QUIT BITCHING.....
"For turning your backs on the people who delivered your mamas and daddies from the colored sections of jim crow.....THEY (mama and daddy) should call you all names that would make negro sound like a great compliment.....you are the scourge of the black race....the sub-human creature that crawls on its belly at the beckon of racist whites.....quit whining and acting like little girls...what I say does not take food from your table....so SHUT UP AND QUIT BITCHING....." by Kevin41

....I only give credit where it is due. The many unsung heroes of Black America, who have:

A. Risked their lives, been maimed, or killed for standing tall in the name of honor.

B. Served unwarranted time in jail.

C. Faced rogue police officers, while obeying the law themselves.

D. Had their immediate families destroyed or broken up in the name of sleaze or greed to make money by the so-called university educated of Black America.

.......are indeed worthy of every bit of praise.

Z. Those who shouldn't be recognized at all, are any preacher, such as a bogus Michael King, Reverend Jesse Jackson, Reverend Henry Lyons, etc. These truly disgraceful, uncouth, shameful misfits truly sat on the sidelines safe while having an alcoholic drinking fest, cheating on their wifes, and/or betraying the very essense of what it means to practice what they preach.

But here again, sacrilegious, perverted, and very immoral activity on the part of preachers having sex with numerous mistresses while still married, are acts very worthy of praise as applied to the Black community.

"My responses are relative to your ignorance posted in here. If you think that the people in my classes say the stupid shit you do then you are lost...and if your nieces, daughters and so on came to my classes with the same irrelevance that you speak from, I would throw their azzes out of my classes and petition the school to toss them out on their heads...once again, you attempt to make your vague and ambiguous connections between the nonsense you talk and my teaching ability....what a damn fool........" by Kevin41

"And by the way...uncouth is eating with your hands when there is a vegetable on your plate as a part of your meal.......and as so far as intelligent, well I doubt like hell if any test score of yours has brought a tear to the eye of any instructor........go and qualify yourself to teach a class and see how much easier it is to run your damn mouth rather than make the effort your damn self......lazy azz sitting on the sideline whining azz NEGRO....." by Professor Kevin41

???????The above quotation sure shows the height of professionalism as it relates to a university professor.???????????

Uncouth defined: marked by awkwardness or oddity; outlandish; ungainly

Synonyms for the word uncouth: uncivilized, bad-mannered, rude, foul mouthed, coarse, crude, impolite

....now based on the information as written in any dictionary or thesaurus the above quotation as expressed by Professor Kevin41, is without a doubt very uncouth.

But guess what,...... this is not a reflection on me in any regard. Nor will such uncouth activity take away from my credibility, or my ability to make money. This activity is a bad reflection on the author, to which the author is not Michael Lofton.


....A good actor, actress, teacher, preacher, professor, elected official, etc., etc., is going to be professional both on the set, in the classroom, in the pulpit, in the office, on the internet, and/or in private life.

Those who don't believe this will end up like facing felony child molestation jail time Michael Jackson, the bogus Dr. Martin Luther King, facing felony rape penal incarceration Kobe Bryant, etc.,etc.

Now this is really the mark of stupidity or profound ignorance. Just by not being professional in and off the court, concert hall, pulpit, each of these individuals have disgraced themselves in a big way, so much so that it has cost them their reputation, destroyed their ability to make money, etc.


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on December 23, 2003 at 08:01 PM.]
....Merv Dymally the illegal immigrant!

...???????and its perfectly acceptable for California State Assemblyman Merv Dymally to represent foreign interests at the expense of U.S. citizens, namely the residents of South Central Los Angeles, Compton, Lynwood, Paramount, etc.

"I am busier than ever." Mr. Dymally is currently busy doing a great deal of civic work in education, state politics and international affairs (Africa, Asia and the Caribbean)." ...from Merv Dymally himself


....but then again, the deceitful Assemblyman Merv Dymally, and/or those in positions of authority over the Compton Unified School District have a very strong interest in improving the quality of education in Compton, South Central Los Angeles, etc......Bull Crap....

.....More Likely the Black Community is Killing itself Just by Keeping a Merv Dymally, etc., in power and/or a position of leadership.

Sure makes sense to me, that an individual or group of individuals who don't even live in Compton, or South Central, would be promoting a misfit in Merv Dymally and his corrupt associates as vanguards for the Black community within the State of California, specifically Los Angeles County....at the expense of the people who truly live in Compton, South Central Los Angeles, etc!

...Oh but then again the map of the 52nd California Assembly District, contains Africa, Asia, the Caribbean, etc.

It is certain that Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger would be ousted from public office, just as former Governor Gray Davis was, if he were to serve foreign interests, or promote any platform to support illegal immigrants, undocumented immigrants, and/or foreign interests, at the expense of U.S. citizens of the State of California.

California Arnold Schwarzenegger's Bio, which mentions his untiring service to U.S. citizens around the U.S., which does not include the foreign interests of Germany, Pakistan, Africa, Asia, the Caribbean, Turkey, France, Italy, China, Hong Kong, Ethiopia, Great Britain, etc.

.....but Oh well, Black people take pride in supporting misfits, illegal immigrants, sleaze, treasonous individuals, imposters, blindly following the advice of deceitful Caucasian liberals, etc., ...to the point of destruction of the Black community.

Heck, since the misfit in an illegal immigrant fraudulent Merv Dymally chooses to serve foreign interests, over U.S. citizens, it would indeed be more appropriate for such an individual to work for the California Consulate, bureau of naturalization, etc., etc.

"Former Congressman Merv Dymally says he "could never do anything with Compton." Well citizens and/or residents of Compton, California, as citizens of Compton, South Central Los Angeles, Lynwood, etc., we don't need Merv Dymally either. This being said, South Central Los Angeles, Compton, etc., show your love for Merv Dymally by booting him out, that is unless you choose to continue financing his salary at the expense of the taxpayer's of your community.

This being said, no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally should have been booted out of office years ago, but like usual the Black community, especially as it pertains to the typical so-called university educated, support sleaze, illegal immigrants, undocumented immigrants, treasonous individuals, corruption, criminal activity, at the expense of the Black community.

....and good reason exists to oust Merv Dymally!

"Not that Dymally hasn't kept busy during his decade in retirement. La-mentably, he's sold himself again and again to some of the most morally repugnant entities on the planet. He's been the registered lobbyist for two nations under attack for permitting the practice of slavery: Sudan and Mauritania. He's also lobbied for the People's Mujahedeen, the Iraqi-funded underground in Iran. Closer to home, he's signed an amicus brief for Lyndon LaRouche against the Democratic National Committee, and a petition urging Bill Clinton to hire LaRouche as an economic adviser. Closer still, he was a front man for the Cato School of Reason, a chain of charter schools that collapsed in scandal after the Weekly disclosed in 1998 that it was collecting public-education funds for students who were actually paying to attend private schools."


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on December 24, 2003 at 06:03 PM.]
Now I'm feeling guilty... giveup

Lofton, didn't you once claim that Shirley Chisolm was an illegal immigrant who served in the US Congress illegally?

bs bs bs bs bs

Hey, Lofton! I heard somewhere that Ahnold is an illegal immigrant! Eek Eek Eek Eek Eek

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[This message was edited by ricardomath on December 24, 2003 at 04:18 PM.]


[This message was edited by ricardomath on December 24, 2003 at 04:20 PM.]
quote:
Originally posted by Lofton:
Yah, but I admitted my mistake as well and believe me, I'm not wrong about Merv Dymally, and/or many other misfits.

https://www.africanamerica.org/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=60260642&f=79160213&m=40170599

I can reach back for useful information too! The response to this post mind you, was enormous!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton


Lofton,

Face it. Merv Dymally is not an illegal immigrant, or he would be in jail now for serving illegally in the US Congress. Do you really think that the power structure in this country would overlook that little detail? You're as wrong about him being an illegal immigrant as you were about Shirly Chisolm being an illegal immigrant.

The only reason that you backed off of your claim about Shirly Chisolm is because somebody produced a bio on the internet showing that she was born in Boston (or wherever--I'm going by memory here). You had no choice but to recant your accusation.

With Dymally, you continue to hold on to your lie because he was born in Trinidad. But it is just as much a lie.

BTW, do I gather from your link that you want to deport US Soldiers that have served in Iraq? If you really want to push that view, feel free to revive the thread with your opinion on the matter. I'll be happy to respond to such an asinine suggestion in that thread, should you have the unmitigated gall to suggest it over there in that thread.

Go for it, Lofton!

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Well Ricardomath,

The very first paragraph says a mouth full.

"WASHINGTON (AFP) - A 19-year-old Mexican who used a false residence permit to enlist in the US army and fight in Iraq (news - web sites) may be kicked out of the force and even be deported, his lawyer, military and immigration officials said."

This being said, I don't see any use in reviving the thread, because unlike you, I do not support the rights of illegal immigrants who use fraudulent means to obtain a driver's license, enlist in the military, collect welfare benefits, etc., privileges granted to U.S. citizens, and legal immigrants, which are not supposed to be granted to illegal and undocumented immigrants.
quote:
Originally posted by Lofton:
Well Ricardomath,

The very first paragraph says a mouth full.

"WASHINGTON (AFP) - A 19-year-old Mexican who used a false residence permit to enlist in the US army and fight in Iraq (news - web sites) may be kicked out of the force and even be deported, his lawyer, military and immigration officials said."

This being said, I don't see any use in reviving the thread, because unlike you, I do not support the rights of illegal immigrants who use fraudulent means to obtain a driver's license, enlist in the military, collect welfare benefits, etc., privileges granted to U.S. citizens, and legal immigrants, which are not supposed to be granted to illegal and undocumented immigrants.


Lofton,

To avoid the two of us spamming this thread, I have responded over here:

https://www.africanamerica.org/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=60260642&f=79160213&m=40170599&r=641709001#641709001

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Well ricardomath,

Since the defense of illegal and undocumented immigrants is your project carry on.

Again, this is not my interest, especially since illegal and undocumented immigrants receive better treatment than truly law abiding U.S. citizens of Black American heritage who have earned the right to be here by birth, by extreme sacrifice, etc.,...... to which this perverted activity of pushing for the rights of illegal and undocumented immigrants over the rights of truly law abiding U.S. citizens, is even promoted by some of Black America's own elected leadership.

This is not to say that illegal and undocumented immigrants should not be treated fairly, but rather my interest is restricted to the rights of the law abiding, first and foremost.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
So, ricardomath's latest brain cramp is that military service excuses one from obeying immigration law? Does it also excuse other crimes, like using false identification to thrwart federal investigations, such as that done when one enters military service? Is he actually saying that because someone joined the army, they cannot be convicted for crimes they are guilty of in civilian life?

Ridiculous.

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