quote:Originally posted by IMMORTAL LOGIC:
Okay, everything I've ever read or heard on the lemba people, they always stated that they were from Yemen originally, or hebrew communities from egypt. they also have stated that their sacred text were destroyed by arabs. So no, I'm not a "trickster" your just wrong, sis. And don't mistake Ethiopian hebrews desperation with confusion. And the fact still remains that Ethiopia and Nubia were already studying old and new scriptures while the majority of europe were still with their tribal deities. The point is, africans had these text in there posession long before europeans. And their are still historians who track the migration of hebrew from east to west. The lemba people. West african women claims her hebrew roots I put more up later...if you want.
I've already read that site a looong time ago. You may just have been confused...but to me your lack of direct response...your side stepping the issue... means you are being a trickster... You gave the example of the Lemba and Beta Isreal as if they were/are our direct ancestors, knowing full well(unless I am giving you too much credit) that they are from regions currently(and via the sites migration theory) that WERE NOT BROUGHT OVER HERE TO THE WEST IN SLAVE SHIPS. The Yoruba, Fon, Akon, Ashante, Mandinka, ect. were. Why do you not know about or deal with our DIRECT ancestors spiritual practices that had NOTHING to do with the Bible? The European enslaver and colonizer forced the Helio Biblio perspective on us....period.
I stated this...
On top of all of this...Our (if you are a diaspora born African) ancestors DID NOT have the Bible until the colonizers and enslavers came... And I personally don't think they needed it(of course)...Now why aren't we studying the spiritual systems of our direct ancestors?
You answered with this...
No. That not true at all. The Lemba people to the south, Bet Yisrael to the east, And more the one ancient arab historian that refers to the hebrews migrating sub-saharan, Or detailing capturing hebrew peoples in africa and forcfully converting them to islam. You might want to look farther into this statement.
Now tell me, are you now trying to say the Lemba people in ZIMBABWE that claim a connection to YEMEN and the Beta Isreal of ETHIOPIA were brought over to the Amerikkkas in slave ships? You have to come better than this....
quote:Sooo...do you have proof of these societies being knock offs, or are you just stating opinion again?
Think about it. African people are the oldest right? The Nile valley and Great Lakes region are where the oldest human civilizations existed. Are you trying to imply that African people, needed outside migrations into this area, millenia after they had established civilizations, spiritual systems, ect.. to come up with a similar and almost identical God concept and mythos? As notoriousely spiritual and religious as African people are you should know better. If you honestly believe that the Helio Biblio was written before the great monuments of the Nile Valley complex were erected, that just so happens depict in stone, on their walls, THE SAME MYTHOS that are in the Helio Biblio...and that's just a coincidence...I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you...
Read the site. Read Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan, and the other authors mentioned on the site, then get back to me. Here is a book you might like...it is written by an Askenaz Jew who is a biblical scholar and an Egyptologist...He actually published the pre-existing Kemetic(and other) texts side by side with the much later written Biblical texts that copied them...
101 Myths of the Bible: How Ancient Scribes Invented Biblical History
quote:Are these your words & opinions, or theirs? because if it's their I'd really love to read it
About the Lemba...This is a fact. Much like you, as a diasporan African are trying to connect yourself to the politically dominant Bibical tradition and religion...dominant via global Euro-colonization. What do you think colonized people do? Are you sure that website isn't just stating biased opinion? Most of the time info is gathered from "European explorers and adventurers" that have the money and resources to go "find" these people and "interview" them via an interpretor of course. Often times this info is quoted or used as fact by our people, not taking into account the inherant biases of the sources. (Have you ever played telephone as a child where you pass a message through a line of people...What happens by the time it gets to the 4th person?) And don't forget. The Europeans have a MAJOR bias. Biblical as well as racial goggles. I have many friends from Zimbabwe. They have told me that the Lemba were largely led to believe they have Jewish origins because of the Euro settler colinizers insistance that the Mines of Soloman were in Zimbabwe(then Rhodesia) and that the local people...Couldn't have built the stone structure "the Great Zimbabwe"...and since the Semetic people built the pyramids...They MUST have travelled south and built that structure. Because there is no way native Bantu Africans could have done it. Mind you, these are the same folk who believe in racial superiority and instituted apartheid... Since the Lemba were under their rule, and this was the official state histoy of Great Zimbabwe until independance in 1970...You don't think they absorbed this?
I've seen websites that claim the Shroud of Turin proves that Selassie is the reincarnation of Yeshua(Jesus)because he actully does look alittle like the figure shown...Just because the site says it do I believe it? If I lack information maybe...
quote:Thank you for the site I'm going to start reading when I get in. If the papri of ani isn't there I'll do an engine search and give you my opinion later. But as for my "blinders", just because one disagrees with you doesn't mean they have blinders on. The "proof text" I provided are anything but biblical. But but still verify the bible. To me it seems you are the one who dismisses all writings from various sources if they don't fit your beliefs with little to to verify those claims (i.e.blinders). Like I said I have quotes from ancient historians (non biblical)as well as numerous illuminati factions to back up all I say
You are welcome...do you think the illuminatti is going to tell you the truth when they want to oppress EVERYONE? Do you think the illuminati are going to tell non-members the truth?...You can't be that nieve. Their whole purpose os to keep informaton to themselves and manipulate world events...to keep the masses stupid. Information is power.
I find it interesting that you have already formed the opinion that I have blinders on, but I have read source material you haven't been exposed to and admittedly(by your silence) haven't read. Shouldn't a judgement call be made AFTER you compaired the info presented? I understand it is a knee jerk reaction to reject information you are not familiar with, especially in this society...But is it logical to do so? What does that say about your ability to form unbiased opinions? The only reason I feel comfortable stating that I think you have Biblical blinders on os because I am already aware of the information that you have posted. And have studied it at great length. If I hadn't I wouldn't make such a comment. Ask yurself why you are comfortable doing so.
It's not your fault you haven't been exposed to certain iformation(up until this point). The system is designed to keep us ignorant. But you have to see the irony in someone arguing that the spiritual concepts of the African people of Kemet didn't predede the Helio biblio...I mean...come on... Even white folks admit that...(Even though they make the Egyptians white) It is only your fault if you choose not to learn further information.
My feeling about this discussion is kind of like this. It's like a woman who is mother, she comes across another woman discussing children, she can tell right away from what the other woman says and how she acts that the woman has no children and is not a mother. Why would she feel like arguing/debating about children with the childless woman? What would the point be? Wouldn't it just irritate her? Wouldn't she just say "have children and you will see"...On top of this, since I am a woman wiht no children, I would not be arrogant enough to form opinions about what type of mother the woman with children is. I would have to humble myself and not argue with her because I lack her level of information about the subject, and I know I do. So why would I even bother? I would have to have some children to even feel comfortable discussing the subject with other mothers.
I had a friend the other day do the same thing in conversation. He tried to argue about the information in the gnostic texts but doesn't have one gnostic text in his home and has never read any of them...Didn't even know about there existance prior to my mentioning them. He claimed to "have studied this information"...When I asked, "How can you claim to know or have studied something you never read, that you haven't even seen or heard of before, and had no access to?"...He finally admitted he couldn't.(After much internal struggle) Then I offered him a gnostic text, and he still wanted to argue/debate, before reading it! Very funny and sad at the same time.
The internet is a good source of information but books are the best. You may have a very hard time finding the Papyrus of Ani( sometimes spelled Anu) online...except maybe a few referrances. All the sources you have metnioned I read quite some time ago. You haven't been exposed to some of the info I have mentioned. Read and study the MDW NTR(Medu Neteru/Netcher)...That will take about 5 years.
Zep Tepi(the beginning/Genesis) is calling. And then maybe you will be ready to remove the Biblical goggles and reinstate the practices of your direct ancestors...In honor of their memory...the memory of what we once were, and still are, and still can be.
This site has video tapes I highly recommend. The actullay go to Africa and show the stone buildings that have Our story on them. This way you can see it for yourself instead of just reading a book "about" it...